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AmandaSparks730
07-13-2008, 12:10 PM
I know this is a bit of a touchy subject, but I was thinking about it last night.

Are you pro-choice or pro-life?

Do you believe in abortion in general?

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?

Me? Well, I might end up with a girl ("life partner"), so we can't really get pregnant (except for insemination). It's either that, surrogate mother, or adopt.

If I end up with a guy, then I'd have to adopt/surrogate mother.

I wouldn't be phyiscally able to carry a child/go through labor.
I have issues with blood clotting.
I don't want to risk passing on my disorder to my child.

However, if I do end up with a baby somehow, I'd love to name her Samantha :cutie:

Discuss (nicely please, so we don't get shut down) your opinions on this.

Thank you.

Tiger~Lily
07-13-2008, 12:15 PM
Very tough subject Amanda. I know as for me I would only get an abortion if I was raped. I just don't think I could live with the trauma both physically and mentally of something growing in me that was conceived by being raped. Any other circumstance I would keep the baby and if I was too young I would give the baby up for adoption to a better home. The best scenerio would be for me to have a baby when I am married with whoever I am married to and raise the child in a healthy home.

BabyPiglet
07-13-2008, 12:25 PM
Pro Choice.

inlalaland
07-13-2008, 12:27 PM
I believe that it's a woman's choice and it's a very private matter. So, Pro-Choice for me.

imabrat
07-13-2008, 12:53 PM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
Pro choice.

Do you believe in abortion in general?
Yes. If you're raped, incest, or disorders that are hereditary you don't want to pass down.

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?
Yes.

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?
If under certain cirumstances mentioned above, yes. Just for the heck of it, no.


I am pro choice. If a girl was raped, I support her right to abort. If it was incest, I probably wouldn't like it, but I support her right to abort. If the mother has a disease/disorder that would be/could be hereditary/passed on, I support her right to abort. (IE AIDS, and your situation Meaghan)

However, if the mother made a "mistake" and wanted to abort, I do NOT support it. I'm sorry, but you made your bed, now you must lie in it.

Disney.Ears
07-13-2008, 01:04 PM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
It depends on the situation, but I'm usually more towards Pro-Life. It's murder, no matter what way you look at it.

If someone was raped at a young age, then I guess I'm pro-choice on that matter.
But if you made a "mistake" and ended up pregnant. Hell no. You have that baby and if you can't take care of it, put it up for adoption so someone who isn't as lucky can adopt that baby and love it. Don't kill an innocent human because of your actions. Deal with the consequences.

Again, I'm not sure how far along you have to be before the baby is actually like..alive. But anytime after that baby has a heart beat, fingers, toes, eyes, etc. You're killing someone.

Do you believe in abortion in general?
Only if you're raped or something. Other than that it's extremely wrong.

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?
At this age, no. I'd probably have the baby. But if I was say...12? My parents and I would have to discuss it I suppose.

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?
If something happened, yes. If she made the wrong decision, absolutely not.

Zip-A-Dee-Lady
07-13-2008, 01:27 PM
I'm pro-both. I would never personally have an abortion, but I don't think it's right to tell other women that they can't. Abortion should be legal and most importantly SAFE!!!!!

BabyPiglet
07-13-2008, 01:28 PM
I'm pro-both. I would never personally have an abortion, but I don't think it's right to tell other women that they can't. Abortion should be legal and most importantly SAFE!!!!!
That means you're pro-choice. :)

BabyPiglet
07-13-2008, 01:33 PM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
-- Pro Choice

Do you believe in abortion in general?
-- I believe that it's the womans choice. It's a completely private and personal decision.

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?
-- Probably. Incest can cause all kinds of health problems. Otherwise; no. I personally couldn't do it. I'd raise the baby the very best I could and hoped that my parents supported me in it.

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?
-- Yes. It's her choice.

Zip-A-Dee-Lady
07-13-2008, 01:48 PM
That means you're pro-choice. :)

Yes, that is true; I just like to say pro-both because I don't want to limit myself to one side in particular. I know, it probably seems silly.:teeth:

TinkerTracy
07-13-2008, 01:53 PM
Pro-choice

CrazyChik
07-13-2008, 02:12 PM
Pro-Choice

MrsSparrow..
07-13-2008, 02:41 PM
Pro-Choice, despite that this opinion goes against my *technically* religion.

I believe if your raped or herditary problems etc, you should have the option. However, I think if you soberly and purposely have unprotected sex you should be prepared for the concequences.

I don't think you can really be both, but again, thats just my opinion. If you think theres an exception to a rule, you are on the opposite side of the fence.. (imho :P)

Sparx
07-13-2008, 02:42 PM
i am pro choice.
while i dont know if i could ever bring myself to have an abortion, i would die defending another woman's right to make that choice. her uterus is no ones business but her own, and you have no right to tell her she must go through 9 months of pregnancy and force her into bearing a child she does not want.

and this is to those of you who only support abortion in rape cases:

you dont realize that if a woman wants an abortion, she'll call rape on some man to get it. hence, ruining his life. how do you separate the real rape victims (who have already gone through an indescribable trauma) except by questioning them about it, making it more traumatic? there is no form of detection that can tell if youre pregnant instantly, and not every woman goes to the hospital when she is raped, so testing with a rape-kit is out of the question. there is no way for this idea to work, without traumatizing and victimizing victims, and that is not okay.

HSMndLKfan92
07-13-2008, 03:26 PM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
I'm pro-choice.

Do you believe in abortion in general?
Yes. Abortion is a private and personal matter that I would never put limitations on.

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?
I'll plead the fifth on this one.

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?
Yes. It's her choice. Though I may secretly not agree with her, I'd support her.

Babyjustrun
07-13-2008, 04:31 PM
I am prochoice.
It is a woman's body. A woman's life.
As far as raped, if I was raped by anyone, I would not want 9 months of pregnancy and a lifetime with a child reminding me that some man violated my body. That in those few moments, he changed my life forever, and he leaves with nothing. I wouldn't want a constant reminder.

And if I was just pregnant because something went wrong or caution wasn't taken, and it was at a bad time in my life, yes I would consider it. With the agreement of the person I created the child with. This could be a longterm boyfriend or a husband. He would get a say.

ComfyinNautica
07-13-2008, 04:33 PM
Pro-choice

OneTreeHill
07-13-2008, 04:35 PM
I guess it dpends on the situation.
I personally, would never get an abortion, so I guess I am pro-choice.

minniemouse440044
07-13-2008, 04:35 PM
pro-life.
i was brought up that its wrong to have an abortion. every human creature even a baby needs to live

chisnpeke
07-13-2008, 05:21 PM
If a mother's life is in danger, then I think it is acceptable. If it's incest, I think it is acceptable. Rape I think is acceptable. All of these women should always be given the morning after pill (Plan B) to prevent pregnancy, if possible.

I do not think that abortion should be used as back up birth control. "Oops I had sex and I'm pregnant, I don't want the baby so I'm going to abort it." Sadly, I think that a lot of women do choose to abort their babies just because they don't want to deal with a pregnancy at that time in their life. That is selfish and is not acceptable.

However, it needs to be legal to all women. If it wasn't legal then women would be doing it in back alleys with hangers.

Tinker_Bell_Crazy101
07-13-2008, 05:36 PM
If a mother's life is in danger, then I think it is acceptable. If it's incest, I think it is acceptable. Rape I think is acceptable. All of these women should always be given the morning after pill (Plan B) to prevent pregnancy, if possible.

I do not think that abortion should be used as back up birth control. "Oops I had sex and I'm pregnant, I don't want the baby so I'm going to abort it." Sadly, I think that a lot of women do choose to abort their babies just because they don't want to deal with a pregnancy at that time in their life. That is selfish and is not acceptable.

However, it needs to be legal to all women. If it wasn't legal then women would be doing it in back alleys with hangers.

I totally agree. If I was raped, I would get an abortion, because I wouldn't want a reminder. If I was say 18 then i would probably keep it even if it wsa through rape.

::Snow_White::
07-13-2008, 05:43 PM
Pro-Choice.

pigletgirl
07-13-2008, 07:14 PM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life? - Pro-life

Do you believe in abortion in general? - No

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion? - That question is so hard because my first thought is no however kids who are born from 2 family members have alot of problems and I wouldn't want to have to worry about that.

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her? - Depends on the situation

Ppufi
07-13-2008, 09:42 PM
Pro-choice. Although I'd rather they'd use the stem cells for cancer research, to help save an already living life.

KidGoofy
07-14-2008, 10:35 AM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?Pro-Life

Do you believe in abortion in general?No

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?I am a guy

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?I wouldn't support her but I wouldn't hate her.

Cinderelli16
07-14-2008, 10:46 AM
I'm pro-life.
I just can't stand the fact that you are killing a live, growing human being inside of you. I mean if you were raped, I could understand that you don't want to have to carry a baby for 9 months from somebody who raped you, but if you think about it it is YOUR baby too. But if it was a girl who just messed around alot, got pregnant, and wanted an abortion, that is completely ignorant! Why kill a defensless baby, when it wasn't even their fault. As for supporting one of my friends or family members if they considered an abortion, I wouldn't. It digusts me to even think about abortion. My friend did a research paper on abortion this year, and I almost started crying when I found out what exactly it was they did. But that is just my opinion.

Tinker_Bell_Crazy101
07-14-2008, 01:12 PM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?Pro-Life

Do you believe in abortion in general?No

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?I am a guy

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?I wouldn't support her but I wouldn't hate her.

It doesn't matter that you're a guy, u can still get pregnant

KidGoofy
07-14-2008, 01:16 PM
It doesn't matter that you're a guy, u can still get pregnant

No I can't...unless I was a girl at first and had a sex change like that person now.lol. This is a really weird thing to post.

chisnpeke
07-14-2008, 08:50 PM
It doesn't matter that you're a guy, u can still get pregnant

You're not a guy if you can get pregnant, sex change or not. You either get rid of your female parts or you're not a guy!

imabrat
07-14-2008, 08:51 PM
You're not a guy if you can get pregnant, sex change or not. You either get rid of your female parts or you're not a guy!

But a male CAN get raped. Maybe that's what they meant?

pigletgirl
07-14-2008, 10:07 PM
And a male contributes to pregnancy. ;)

AmandaSparks730
07-14-2008, 10:10 PM
But a male CAN get raped. Maybe that's what they meant?
True.

I actually have a guy friend who was raped as a child :(

life of the party
07-14-2008, 11:06 PM
True.

I actually have a guy friend who was raped as a child :(

aww !

didnt ..omg i forget his real name.. the person who plays harry potter get raped?

Tinkerbell424
07-14-2008, 11:10 PM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
Pro-Life, but I do believe every woman should have the choice to abort if they want.

Do you believe in abortion in general?
I only believe in abortion if you are a rape victim.

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?
Yes.

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?
Yes, I would support her. BUT if she was just aborting it because she didn't want a child or whatever, I wouldn't be happy and would try to persuade her to give it up for adoption.

chisnpeke
07-14-2008, 11:12 PM
But a male CAN get raped. Maybe that's what they meant?

That could be what they meant. I was just going on this

It doesn't matter that you're a guy, u can still get pregnant

KidGoofy
07-14-2008, 11:14 PM
Laveraneus Coles, a NY JETS WR, was raped as a child.

Disney Scott
07-14-2008, 11:15 PM
This is coming from the male point of view.

I really think it is totally up the female to do what they want to do. They are the ones who have to carry the baby for 9 months and should be given full choice to do what they want.

Nomi
07-15-2008, 04:57 AM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
Pro-Choice. No matter what someone's personal beliefs are, they never, ever have the right to tell a woman what happens to her body. I think it horrible that people would even think of forcing a woman through an unwanted pregnancy just because they don't personally agree with abortion.

Do you believe in abortion in general?
To the extent that sometimes abortion IS the better option. If a person is young, unable to financially or emotionally support themselves and a baby, there are many, many reasons that an individual would opt for an abortion. The fact is that women are always going to get abortions if you like it or not because it is the only reasonable option, and I would rather that a person have an abortion in a safe, secure manner instead of with a coat hanger in a dark ally. I would never put the rights of a non-sentient parasite over a woman.

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?
Yes.

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?
Yes.

Tinker_Bell_Crazy101
07-15-2008, 10:30 AM
But a male CAN get raped. Maybe that's what they meant?

That's what I meant. Sorry if i confused anyone!

Tinker_Bell_Crazy101
07-15-2008, 10:32 AM
aww !

didnt ..omg i forget his real name.. the person who plays harry potter get raped?

Daniel Radcliff?

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 11:27 AM
Pro-life.

I don't support murder...and that's what abortions are. 1 of every 1000 rape cases result in pregnancies. Also, if the mother doesn't want the child, there are several options to take that don't include killing the baby.

The only time in which I feel abortions are okay is if the mother is in terminal danager where the baby must be removed in order to save her life. There is no other excuse to kill the child. A life is a life and worth living...you cannot predetermine how a child's future will turn out because unless you're a brilliant psychic, it's just not possible. Even if the child was going to be born with a defect, you do not know how he or she will get through life...there have been some amazing and successful people with disabilities. Also, if the child is born with over a 50% chance of not making it far in life - any ounce of life at all is the best gift to give someone.

life of the party
07-15-2008, 02:38 PM
Daniel Radcliff?

yeah !

life of the party
07-15-2008, 02:41 PM
I am pro-choice, because sometimes people make mistakes
& the thing about 1 out of 1000 rape cases resulting in pregnancies..?
that doesnt sound right to me .


Also, when people have abortions it is not a baby yet with a full brain & soul and such , it is a little tiny zygote or embryo i forget which one.

BUT , i do NOT believe that abortions should be used as a form of birth control .

Nomi
07-15-2008, 04:08 PM
I am pro-choice, because sometimes people make mistakes
& the thing about 1 out of 1000 rape cases resulting in pregnancies..?
that doesnt sound right to me .


Also, when people have abortions it is not a baby yet with a full brain & soul and such , it is a little tiny zygote or embryo i forget which one.

BUT , i do NOT believe that abortions should be used as a form of birth control .


I don't think that people would turn to abortion as birth control, it is expensive and not entirely a pleasent experience, though not as bad as pregnancy and childbirth. But I quite agree it would be silly to use abortion as birth control.

Also, to say abortion is murder, when abortions take place mostly in the first 12 weeks or first trimester before the embryo has developed a brain, heart, ect, would be to say every time a woman has her period she is commiting murder. It's absurd.

life of the party
07-15-2008, 04:13 PM
I don't think that people would turn to abortion as birth control, it is expensive and not entirely a pleasent experience, though not as bad as pregnancy and childbirth. But I quite agree it would be silly to use abortion as birth control.

Also, to say abortion is murder, when abortions take place mostly in the first 12 weeks or first trimester before the embryo has developed a brain, heart, ect, would be to say every time a woman has her period she is commiting murder. It's absurd.

EXACTLY .

and people do use it as a form of birth control, i have hard of & know people that have had many many obortions and my friends aunt had to adopt because she wasnt allowed to have any children of her own because she had to many obortions or something..? i forget really .

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 04:17 PM
I am pro-choice, because sometimes people make mistakes
& the thing about 1 out of 1000 rape cases resulting in pregnancies..?
that doesnt sound right to me .


Also, when people have abortions it is not a baby yet with a full brain & soul and such , it is a little tiny zygote or embryo i forget which one.

BUT , i do NOT believe that abortions should be used as a form of birth control .

That statistic is taken from all rape cases that are reported...though it weakens my argument, I will say that it excludes all rape cases that are not reported (which, sadly, is a very large number). But my point of using that fact is to show that rape pregnancies are more rare than people think. I also believe that even in the situation of rape, abortions should not be used. If the mother doesn't want the child, there are services she can enter her baby in after birth - such as adoption. There are so many people in this world who can't have babies for whatever reason and they choose to adopt - adopting would save the child and provide a couple with a family they long for.

About what is classified as a baby - that is where the topic of abortion is controversial...Many people believe different things. I believe that as soon as the egg is fertalized, it is a living thing. It becomes an organism which is life.

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 04:32 PM
I am pro-choice, because sometimes people make mistakes
& the thing about 1 out of 1000 rape cases resulting in pregnancies..?
that doesnt sound right to me .


Also, when people have abortions it is not a baby yet with a full brain & soul and such , it is a little tiny zygote or embryo i forget which one.

BUT , i do NOT believe that abortions should be used as a form of birth control .

Now I am not bashing your beliefs at all, but why should a potnetial soul have to pay for two peoples mistakes?
If they really don't want the baby that bad, I think they should just put it up for adoption.

Sparx
07-15-2008, 04:40 PM
That statistic is taken from all rape cases that are reported...though it weakens my argument, I will say that it excludes all rape cases that are not reported (which, sadly, is a very large number). But my point of using that fact is to show that rape pregnancies are more rare than people think. I also believe that even in the situation of rape, abortions should not be used. If the mother doesn't want the child, there are services she can enter her baby in after birth - such as adoption. There are so many people in this world who can't have babies for whatever reason and they choose to adopt - adopting would save the child and provide a couple with a family they long for.

About what is classified as a baby - that is where the topic of abortion is controversial...Many people believe different things. I believe that as soon as the egg is fertalized, it is a living thing. It becomes an organism which is life.
if you want to use the adoption argument, look at chinese girls. theres tons of em, and nobody loves them, no body wants them. why dont we take care of all the kids that need a home before worrying abotu the ones that havent been born yet?

if you want to use the rape argument, sure, one out of every one thousand rapes results in a pregnancy. okay. thats fine. but just because that one woman is a fluke, she should be forced to go through another nine months of trauma? rape messes with your head, and having 8 pounds of fetus in your stomach is going to remind you of that, every single time it moves. youre talking permanent emotional scarring, and you get no right to force that on someone.

Nomi
07-15-2008, 04:44 PM
Now I am not bashing your beliefs at all, but why should a potnetial soul have to pay for two peoples mistakes?
If they really don't want the baby that bad, I think they should just put it up for adoption.


An abortion is safer than a pregnancy up until about 20 weeks, as well pregnancy can be emotionally damaging, interfereing with work, careers, school, basically the womans future. There are already thousands of kids that are put up for adoption, and it's not always a perfect dream world to put it mildly. Why add to those numbers? Though I do not believe in souls, a fetus doesn't have any sort of sembilance of sentience up until well into the third trimester, where abortions can no longer be preformed.

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 04:52 PM
if you want to use the adoption argument, look at chinese girls. theres tons of em, and nobody loves them, no body wants them. why dont we take care of all the kids that need a home before worrying abotu the ones that havent been born yet?

if you want to use the rape argument, sure, one out of every one thousand rapes results in a pregnancy. okay. thats fine. but just because that one woman is a fluke, she should be forced to go through another nine months of trauma? rape messes with your head, and having 8 pounds of fetus in your stomach is going to remind you of that, every single time it moves. youre talking permanent emotional scarring, and you get no right to force that on someone.

I think every child deserves to be taken care of. I don't think killing children just because there are already some that aren't being adopted is a good reason. Adoption isn't the only service either, there are other child care services that are very good. There are alternate options to use aside from abortions.

I think rape is a very horrible, horrible thing. In no way, at all, do I think it's good and I agree whole-heartedly that the women (or whichever gender is the victim) are emotionally (and physically) scarred. But I still don't agree that abortions are the best action to take. It's a terribly unfortunate circumstance, but the baby is a baby and a life and I just don't agree to killing babies.

Nomi
07-15-2008, 04:58 PM
I think every child deserves to be taken care of. I don't think killing children just because there are already some that aren't being adopted is a good reason. Adoption isn't the only service either, there are other child care services that are very good. There are alternate options to use aside from abortions.

I think rape is a very horrible, horrible thing. In no way, at all, do I think it's good and I agree whole-heartedly that the women (or whichever gender is the victim) are emotionally (and physically) scarred. But I still don't agree that abortions are the best action to take. It's a terribly unfortunate circumstance, but the baby is a baby and a life and I just don't agree to killing babies.

But at the point of abortion it isn't a baby yet, it's an embryo.

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 05:02 PM
But at the point of abortion it isn't a baby yet, it's an embryo.

An embryo is an organism thus it is a living thing.

Nomi
07-15-2008, 05:06 PM
An embryo is an organism thus it is a living thing.

So are ants, spiders, parasites, bacteria, ect. An embryo doesn't even have the basic nervious system required for life. Basically, it's arguable weither at the point of most abortions an embryo can be classified as alive.

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 05:13 PM
So are ants, spiders, parasites, bacteria, ect. An embryo doesn't even have the basic nervious system required for life. Basically, it's arguable weither at the point of most abortions an embryo can be classified as alive.

It's a living - growing cell...of a human being. That is enough for me, personally, to classify it as a baby. You can't compare humans to insects...because then you're just justifying every murder made in this world by saying it's okay to kill insects so why not humans? lol.

PurpleDucky
07-15-2008, 05:33 PM
I'm tossed between the two.
Because right at conception it's considered a life, a human being. So I do, indeed, think it's wrong to have an abortion.
I did a whole big report about how it's unwise to have one.
Buuut, on the other hand, I can't control a woman's life.

PurpleDucky
07-15-2008, 05:34 PM
It's a living - growing cell...of a human being. That is enough for me, personally, to classify it as a baby. You can't compare humans to insects...because then you're just justifying every murder made in this world by saying it's okay to kill insects so why not humans? lol.

Good point.

PurpleDucky
07-15-2008, 05:37 PM
I am pro-choice, because sometimes people make mistakes
& the thing about 1 out of 1000 rape cases resulting in pregnancies..?
that doesnt sound right to me .


Also, when people have abortions it is not a baby yet with a full brain & soul and such , it is a little tiny zygote or embryo i forget which one.

BUT , i do NOT believe that abortions should be used as a form of birth control .

It's proved that within 21 days it has a heartbeat.
Just because it's not fully developed doesn't mean you should kill it.
Many a people have defects, which means some of their body parts/cells aren't fully developed. Should you kill them too?
People that are considered vegetables don't have the control to think. Should you just kill them right away?

PurpleDucky
07-15-2008, 05:38 PM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
Confused..
Do you believe in abortion in general?
No.
If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion?
I really don't know..I'd have to talk to someone.
If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her?
No. Harsh, but I couldn't support something like that

OneTreeHill
07-15-2008, 05:40 PM
I'm tossed between the two.
Because right at conception it's considered a life, a human being. So I do, indeed, think it's wrong to have an abortion.
I did a whole big report about how it's unwise to have one.
Buuut, on the other hand, I can't control a woman's life.


That is exactly how I feel!

Disney.Ears
07-15-2008, 05:43 PM
If anyone wants information read this: (I hope I can post this, if not I'll take it off). This is not my site though..
Abortion Education. (http://www.*************/profile.php?UserID=128049)
I found this information amazing so I did my own research too.

Now I am not bashing your beliefs at all, but why should a potnetial soul have to pay for two peoples mistakes?
If they really don't want the baby that bad, I think they should just put it up for adoption.

::yes:: Yep. It's not the baby's fault at all. People are irresponsible.

It's a living - growing cell...of a human being. That is enough for me, personally, to classify it as a baby. You can't compare humans to insects...because then you're just justifying every murder made in this world by saying it's okay to kill insects so why not humans? lol.

Same here. Once it's a growing cell, it's a human that's still growing. But alive. The last sentence is a great point!

I am pro-choice, because sometimes people make mistakes
& the thing about 1 out of 1000 rape cases resulting in pregnancies..?
that doesnt sound right to me .


Also, when people have abortions it is not a baby yet with a full brain & soul and such , it is a little tiny zygote or embryo i forget which one.

BUT , i do NOT believe that abortions should be used as a form of birth control .

And a baby should be KILLED for 2 people's mistakes? No.

AmandaSparks730
07-15-2008, 05:48 PM
Well...

If you had cancer/AIDS, then...abortion isn't AS BAD (not saying it's fine, but it's not as bad) because well...you don't have long to live anyway. You could die within those 9 months, and the baby would die, too.

I would have to choose adoption, only because I cannot have a baby myself (especially with a same-sex partner). With a life partner, I wouldn't want the insemination (kinda icky, and you don't know the donor most of the time).

Sparx
07-15-2008, 05:53 PM
i dont think life begins at conception.

Nomi
07-15-2008, 05:55 PM
It's a living - growing cell...of a human being. That is enough for me, personally, to classify it as a baby. You can't compare humans to insects...because then you're just justifying every murder made in this world by saying it's okay to kill insects so why not humans? lol.

Not at all, but it's not human at that point. A cancer also has human DNA, a growing mass of human DNA, but it's not an organism. I do not think that abortion is murder in any sense. Saying abortion is murder is like saying every time a woman has her period and expels an egg it's murder. An embryo is no more human than an egg or sperm. Sure, the potential is there, but then again if we base it off that then every time a woman is able to get pregnant but choses not to, it's murder, since the potential is there. Abortion =/= murder.

Tinker_Bell_Crazy101
07-15-2008, 06:06 PM
I'm tossed between the two.
Because right at conception it's considered a life, a human being. So I do, indeed, think it's wrong to have an abortion.
I did a whole big report about how it's unwise to have one.
Buuut, on the other hand, I can't control a woman's life.

I agree. It's a womans choice, but it's not what i would choose

Nomi
07-15-2008, 06:07 PM
It's proved that within 21 days it has a heartbeat.
Just because it's not fully developed doesn't mean you should kill it.
Many a people have defects, which means some of their body parts/cells aren't fully developed. Should you kill them too?
People that are considered vegetables don't have the control to think. Should you just kill them right away?


That is a different matter, seeing as how they are born, and even if they cannot exist on their own, they are not attached to one person and dependent off them like a parasite. Apples and oranges, it's a completly different debate.


A fetus doesn't even develop a heart until 11-17 (thats much more than 21 days) weeks in, and doesn't start beating on it's own until much later. That said, the heart itself is nothing more than a muscle that pumps blood. More importently, the brain, or rather the thalamic connections that make the brain able to function, don't form until weeks 28-40. Now consider that most abortions are induced in the first few weeks, when it is still little more than a bundle of cells.

I think a better term for people who want two people who made an honest mistake to go through pregnancy is 'Pro-Punishment' instead of 'Pro-Life'.

Stitchtastic
07-15-2008, 06:18 PM
Ok, now a lot of people say "Why have abortion when you can give the baby away later?" . Some times women don't want to go through pregnancy - it's a painful experience. And especially if they are rape victims I can understand them not wanting to have to carry that baby - even though the fetus/baby didn't do anything wrong.

That's just my opinion.

life of the party
07-15-2008, 06:18 PM
for everyone who is saying that if you really dont want the baby, put it up for adoption & not get an abortion.

Some of these girls are young in like highschool and shouldnt have to have the 9 months of pregnancy in school , and have to take the time out for having the baby .

I am pro-choice .
People should not be FORCED to have a baby they REALLY dont want, and when the law was you had to have it women were having abortions anyway illegally and sometimes with un-qualified doctors .

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 08:06 PM
Then those kids should not have been having sex. If you can't handle the potential consequences of having sex then you shouldnt be taking the risk. When you have sex you automatically take the responsibility of possibly getting pregnant or getting an STD.

Cinderelli16
07-15-2008, 08:10 PM
Then those kids should not have been having sex. If you can't handle the potential consequences of having sex then you shouldnt be taking the risk. When you have sex you automatically take the responsibility of possibly getting pregnant or getting an STD.

::yes::

Nomi
07-15-2008, 08:13 PM
Then those kids should not have been having sex. If you can't handle the potential consequences of having sex then you shouldnt be taking the risk. When you have sex you automatically take the responsibility of possibly getting pregnant or getting an STD.

So your pro-punishment then. How dare that woman have sex, now lets make her go through 9 months of pain and life-ruining pregnancy and bring an unwanted kid into the world, that'll show her for being human!

Zip-A-Dee-Lady
07-15-2008, 08:15 PM
Think about it this way:

If abortion were to be made illegal, some women would still get abortions on the black market using stuff like knitting needles and coat hangers.


It's best to just keep abortion legal where it can also guarantee the woman's safety.


I'm probably gonna get bashed for this....:scared:

Cinderelli16
07-15-2008, 08:19 PM
So your pro-punishment then. How dare that woman have sex, now lets make her go through 9 months of pain and life-ruining pregnancy and bring an unwanted kid into the world, that'll show her for being human!

That's not at all what she was saying.
She said that women should be aware of the consequences that can occur when you have sex.
She's not saying that a woman should suffer, she just said that they need to be responsible for their actions.

Nomi
07-15-2008, 08:21 PM
That's not at all what she was saying.
She said that women should be aware of the consequences that can occur when you have sex.
She's not saying that a woman should suffer, she just said that they need to be responsible for their actions.

Yes, responsible enough to get an abortion is they so choose. Also, this sort of thinking does target women specifically, and to me it seems to stem from the thinking thats it's ok for men to have sex but not women.

Shelton123
07-15-2008, 08:22 PM
I'm a liberal, so Pro-Choice.

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 08:41 PM
So your pro-punishment then. How dare that woman have sex, now lets make her go through 9 months of pain and life-ruining pregnancy and bring an unwanted kid into the world, that'll show her for being human!

No.
But if you do something that you KNOW you can have consequences for, your taking responsibility for it. If they really don't want the baby, I don't believe you should kill it. Give it up for adoption to a couple, or to a person who really wants a child and cant get pregnant on their own.

I'm not saying she should suffer at all since she had sex. But if a 16 year old couple had sex and the girl got pregnant, I believe they should take responsibility and not kill an innocent soul for their mistake.

JMO.

ETA; I would never get an abortion, and I am pro-life, but I do believe every women should have the choice to or not. But if a woman is aborting a baby because she was fooling around and can't support the baby emotionally or money wise, then in my opinion she should give it up for adoption. No one has to agree with that statement, but it's just my belief.

life of the party
07-15-2008, 09:07 PM
Then those kids should not have been having sex. If you can't handle the potential consequences of having sex then you shouldnt be taking the risk. When you have sex you automatically take the responsibility of possibly getting pregnant or getting an STD.

okay, maybe the shouldnt have but why punish them if they dont have to be .


So your pro-punishment then. How dare that woman have sex, now lets make her go through 9 months of pain and life-ruining pregnancy and bring an unwanted kid into the world, that'll show her for being human!

exactly !

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 09:12 PM
okay, maybe the shouldnt have but why punish them if they dont have to be .


Saying this wasn't a rape..
Nobody forced them to have sex. Having sex, symbolizes that you are ready to handle whatever life throws your way from the sex. If you can't handle it, then you simply shouldn't have done it. If you did, and you unfortunately got an std or pregnant then I believe it's your responsibility to take care of that child for 9 monthes and simply give it up for adoption to more responsible people.

If you don't want the punishment of missing school for 9 monthes and handling a baby, then just don't have sex until your absolutely ready.:confused3

life of the party
07-15-2008, 09:19 PM
Saying this wasn't a rape..
Nobody forced them to have sex. Having sex, symbolizes that you are ready to handle whatever life throws your way from the sex. If you can't handle it, then you simply shouldn't have done it. If you did, and you unfortunately got an std or pregnant then I believe it's your responsibility to take care of that child for 9 monthes and simply give it up for adoption to more responsible people.

If you don't want the punishment of missing school for 9 monthes and handling a baby, then just don't have sex until your absolutely ready.:confused3

That is not what sex symbolizes .

I say let people do what they want :confused3 .
Its only human , whatever .

I know i cant change your mind, so im just going to believe what i want to believe and if you want to be like that you can .

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 09:29 PM
That is not what sex symbolizes .

I say let people do what they want :confused3 .
Its only human , whatever .

I know i cant change your mind, so im just going to believe what i want to believe and if you want to be like that you can .

Yes it is only human, but why should two people's mistakes result in someone's life being taken away?

I hope it didn't sound like I was forcing you into believing my side, I totally respect your opinions and beliefs. :)

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 09:37 PM
Not at all, but it's not human at that point. A cancer also has human DNA, a growing mass of human DNA, but it's not an organism. I do not think that abortion is murder in any sense. Saying abortion is murder is like saying every time a woman has her period and expels an egg it's murder. An embryo is no more human than an egg or sperm. Sure, the potential is there, but then again if we base it off that then every time a woman is able to get pregnant but choses not to, it's murder, since the potential is there. Abortion =/= murder.

An embryo is a bit more than that. A fetus is definitely more than that. Reading through other posts that you have left, I just don't seem to agree with much anything you are saying, lol, so there is really no use in trying to convince you to understand what I mean, lol. It's my personal belief that an embryo and fetus are considered alive and babies...and therefore, I see abortions are murder in all aspects. That's MY opinion. :)

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 09:44 PM
Sex = reproduction.

That is why people connect in this way...to have babies.

If you don't want to have babies...the surest way is to not have sex. No birth control is 100%. It's important to realize this. This is fact. Not opinion. lol.

PurpleDucky
07-15-2008, 10:01 PM
Here's the article I found about the heart:

Since abortion advocates must concede that abortion kills a living human being, many try arguing that embryos and early fetuses aren't developed enough to be morally significant. The following timeline will help put such claims in better perspective.

FERTILIZATION
At the moment of fertilization, a new and unique human being comes into existence with its own distinct genetic code. Twenty-three chromosomes from the mother and twenty-three chromosomes from the father combine to result in a brand-new and totally unique genetic combination. Whereas the heart, lungs, and hair of a woman all share the same genetic code, her unborn child, from the moment of fertilization, has a separate genetic code that is all its own. There is enough information in this tiny zygote to control human growth and development for the rest of its life.


EIGHT DAYS (from fertilization)
At about eight days after conception, the fertilized ovum (called a blastocyst) implants in the lining of the uterus. It emits chemical substances which weaken the woman's immune system within the uterus so that this tiny "foreign" body is not rejected by the woman's body.


THREE WEEKS (from fertilization)
By the third week of pregnancy (approximately 21 days after fertilization), the heart begins to beat, pumping blood throughout the body, and the brain begins dividing into three primary sections (forebrain, midbrain, and hindbrain).

PurpleDucky
07-15-2008, 10:03 PM
http://images.google.com/images?q=aborted%20babies&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBS&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

This is why I can't stand the thought of abortion..they look like minature babies!
I posted the link for those who have a weak stomach.

Those pictures seriously brought tears to my eyes.

Only 2 months!!
http://www.davidmacd.com/images/fetus08.jpg

life of the party
07-15-2008, 10:04 PM
http://images.google.com/images?q=aborted%20babies&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBS&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

This is why I can't stand the thought of abortion..they look like minature babies!
I posted the link for those who have a weak stomach.

Those pictures seriously brought tears to my eyes.

dont look at that if you have a weak stomache D:

but yeaah they look like mini babies

PurpleDucky
07-15-2008, 10:09 PM
dont look at that if you have a weak stomache D:

but yeaah they look like mini babies

It's so sad =/

Sparx
07-15-2008, 10:20 PM
An embryo is a bit more than that. A fetus is definitely more than that. Reading through other posts that you have left, I just don't seem to agree with much anything you are saying, lol, so there is really no use in trying to convince you to understand what I mean, lol. It's my personal belief that an embryo and fetus are considered alive and babies...and therefore, I see abortions are murder in all aspects. That's MY opinion. :)

why do you consider a fetus to be a human life though? particularly in the first several weeks after conception.

the fetus has no brain activity. (the eeg doesnt register anything at all until 12 weeks, but even then there is just barely enough to register)
the fetus has no eyes. (its eye lids close for months to form the eyes)
the fetus has no red blood cells. (the bones cant produce these until 21 weeks)
the fetus does not breathe. (the breathing movements noticed are only to form the lungs)
the fetus feels no pain. (and wont until the third trimester)

what makes that human?
eventually, yes, a fetus is born and is a baby which grows up. but i just dont see how a fetus is equal to a life.

AmandaSparks730
07-15-2008, 10:23 PM
Those people who protest at the clinics kinda freak me out :/

chisnpeke
07-15-2008, 10:23 PM
Think about it this way:

If abortion were to be made illegal, some women would still get abortions on the black market using stuff like knitting needles and coat hangers.


It's best to just keep abortion legal where it can also guarantee the woman's safety.


I'm probably gonna get bashed for this....:scared:

I totally agree. That is maybe the main reason I feel it should be legal for all women. Women will just find another way to abort their babies, most of which are unsafe.

life of the party
07-15-2008, 10:24 PM
why do you consider a fetus to be a human life though? particularly in the first several weeks after conception.

the fetus has no brain activity. (the eeg doesnt register anything at all until 12 weeks, but even then there is just barely enough to register)
the fetus has no eyes. (its eye lids close for months to form the eyes)
the fetus has no red blood cells. (the bones cant produce these until 21 weeks)
the fetus does not breathe. (the breathing movements noticed are only to form the lungs)
the fetus feels no pain. (and wont until the third trimester)

what makes that human?
eventually, yes, a fetus is born and is a baby which grows up. but i just dont see how a fetus is equal to a life.

THANK YOU!

that what i think but you just have the facts to back it up!

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 10:40 PM
why do you consider a fetus to be a human life though? particularly in the first several weeks after conception.

the fetus has no brain activity. (the eeg doesnt register anything at all until 12 weeks, but even then there is just barely enough to register)
the fetus has no eyes. (its eye lids close for months to form the eyes)
the fetus has no red blood cells. (the bones cant produce these until 21 weeks)
the fetus does not breathe. (the breathing movements noticed are only to form the lungs)
the fetus feels no pain. (and wont until the third trimester)

what makes that human?
eventually, yes, a fetus is born and is a baby which grows up. but i just dont see how a fetus is equal to a life.

The fetus is a living organism. It may not be developed enough to live outside the womb (obviously, lol) but it is still growing and does have a developing system and bone structure. The fetus is alive - maybe not to the standards of living outside the mother, but the fact that it is an organism (and a human one at that) makes it alive to me. Because it's the organism of a human, I consider that a baby.

Sparx
07-15-2008, 10:45 PM
The fetus is a living organism. It may not be developed enough to live outside the womb (obviously, lol) but it is still growing and does have a developing system and bone structure. The fetus is alive - maybe not to the standards of living outside the mother, but the fact that it is an organism (and a human one at that) makes it alive to me. Because it's the organism of a human, I consider that a baby.

thank you. i dont agree, but i think i understand your point of view more now.

Loves Disney
07-15-2008, 10:58 PM
thank you. i dont agree, but i think i understand your point of view more now.

And that's all that can be asked for in such a controversial debate such as this. ;)

chisnpeke
07-15-2008, 11:34 PM
That is not what sex symbolizes .

I say let people do what they want :confused3 .
Its only human , whatever .

I know i cant change your mind, so im just going to believe what i want to believe and if you want to be like that you can .

What do you mean that is not what sex symbolizes? I'm just not sure what you meant by that comment. :)

imabrat
07-15-2008, 11:38 PM
if you want to use the adoption argument, look at chinese girls. theres tons of em, and nobody loves them, no body wants them. why dont we take care of all the kids that need a home before worrying abotu the ones that havent been born yet?

if you want to use the rape argument, sure, one out of every one thousand rapes results in a pregnancy. okay. thats fine. but just because that one woman is a fluke, she should be forced to go through another nine months of trauma? rape messes with your head, and having 8 pounds of fetus in your stomach is going to remind you of that, every single time it moves. youre talking permanent emotional scarring, and you get no right to force that on someone.

:worship:


For those who say give it up for adoption -

It's not that easy. Tell me, I beg you, that you could never have a bond with something that was living, breathing, growing inside you. What happens when that women gives birth and sees the baby? Really, do you think all of the mothers are going to say "Okay, here you go, take the baby and leave, I never want to see it again". Sure it's tough, and some women can give the baby away and not think twice, but what about the women who emotionally can't take it? What do they do then?

life of the party
07-15-2008, 11:41 PM
:worship:


For those who say give it up for adoption -

It's not that easy. Tell me, I beg you, that you could never have a bond with something that was living, breathing, growing inside you. What happens when that women gives birth and sees the baby? Really, do you think all of the mothers are going to say "Okay, here you go, take the baby and leave, I never want to see it again". Sure it's tough, and some women can give the baby away and not think twice, but what about the women who emotionally can't take it? What do they do then?

EXACTLY !
thank you for saying that !

What do you mean that is not what sex symbolizes? I'm just not sure what you meant by that comment. :)

she said that sex sybolizes that you are ready for whatever life throws at you & all this stuff, you can read it cause i forget haha .

chisnpeke
07-15-2008, 11:41 PM
:worship:


For those who say give it up for adoption -

It's not that easy. Tell me, I beg you, that you could never have a bond with something that was living, breathing, growing inside you. What happens when that women gives birth and sees the baby? Really, do you think all of the mothers are going to say "Okay, here you go, take the baby and leave, I never want to see it again". Sure it's tough, and some women can give the baby away and not think twice, but what about the women who emotionally can't take it? What do they do then?

The ones I think emotionally can't take it also couldn't emotionally take having an abortion.

I'm someone who could never emotionally take having an abortion or giving my baby up for adoption, so I'd have to keep it.

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 11:42 PM
:worship:


For those who say give it up for adoption -

It's not that easy. Tell me, I beg you, that you could never have a bond with something that was living, breathing, growing inside you. What happens when that women gives birth and sees the baby? Really, do you think all of the mothers are going to say "Okay, here you go, take the baby and leave, I never want to see it again". Sure it's tough, and some women can give the baby away and not think twice, but what about the women who emotionally can't take it? What do they do then?

Then keep it. I'm sure they have an emotional bond to the baby growing inside of them and it's probably not that much either to abort either. But wouldn't they rather have their child in the hands of someone who can raise the baby rather then the baby die and never have a chance to live?

life of the party
07-15-2008, 11:44 PM
Then keep it. I'm sure they have an emotional bond to the baby growing inside of them and it's probably not that much either to abort either. But wouldn't they rather have their child in the hands of someone who can raise the baby rather then the baby die and never have a chance to live?

But they not be READY for a baby , and could not support it emotionally / financially

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 11:45 PM
But they not be READY for a baby , and could not support it emotionally / financially

Then they should not have had sex.

chisnpeke
07-15-2008, 11:48 PM
EXACTLY !
thank you for saying that !



she said that sex sybolizes that you are ready for whatever life throws at you & all this stuff, you can read it cause i forget haha .

Well in a perfect world, that is what sex symbolizes. It has never been that way and it never will be that way. My friend who is Catholic says sex is for bonding and babies and all that...whatever. People act like it can't be for enjoyment between two people as well? I have personal experience in this area (sex not abortions) and I can tell you that I NEVER thought that I was ready for whatever life throws at me because of sex.

chisnpeke
07-15-2008, 11:49 PM
Then they should not have had sex.

Not everyone thinks like that. Regardless of whether or not they SHOULD have had sex, they did. If you get pregnant, you can't undo what has happened so you have to make a choice.

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 11:53 PM
Not everyone thinks like that. Regardless of whether or not they SHOULD have had sex, they did. If you get pregnant, you can't undo what has happened so you have to make a choice.

If they HAD sex, I believe they are taking the responsibilities that comes along with it, whether that be an std or a pregnancy. Yes they have a choice, I believe every woman should have a choice whether or not she wants an abortion. But in my personal belief I think abortion is wrong.

There are a few cases that I'm for it though, such as rape.

chisnpeke
07-15-2008, 11:55 PM
If they HAD sex, I believe they are taking the responsibilities that comes along with it, whether that be an std or a pregnancy. Yes they have a choice, I believe every woman should have a choice whether or not she wants an abortion. But in my personal belief I think abortion is wrong.

There are a few cases that I'm for it though, such as rape.

Oh, I think it is morally wrong too. I do think that rape, incest, etc are exceptions though and I do not feel that abortions in those cases are wrong.

I think women should still legally have the option because there will just be a blackmarket for it if it is illegal.

Tinkerbell424
07-15-2008, 11:57 PM
Oh, I think it is morally wrong too. I do think that rape, incest, etc are exceptions though and I do not feel that abortions in those cases are wrong.

I think women should still legally have the option because there will just be a blackmarket for it if it is illegal.

I agree.

I think it's wrong to abort, other then with exceptions. But I think women should still have the right to do it or not, since it's their baby and body.

life of the party
07-15-2008, 11:59 PM
Then they should not have had sex.

Thats not the point, would you never have sex if you didnt want a baby when you were MARRIED ?
thats what married people do !

But like , you can believe what you want to believe , i believe nothing is wrong with sex if you have protection and are 100% sure your partner has no STD's and such .

life of the party
07-16-2008, 12:00 AM
I agree.

I think it's wrong to abort, other then with exceptions. But I think women should still have the right to do it or not, since it's their baby and body.

That is what i believe .

Disney.Ears
07-16-2008, 12:07 AM
for everyone who is saying that if you really dont want the baby, put it up for adoption & not get an abortion.

Some of these girls are young in like highschool and shouldnt have to have the 9 months of pregnancy in school , and have to take the time out for having the baby .

I am pro-choice .
People should not be FORCED to have a baby they REALLY dont want, and when the law was you had to have it women were having abortions anyway illegally and sometimes with un-qualified doctors .

That's what you get. You make the mistake of having sex at a young age; you deal with the consiquences, simple as that.

Tinkerbell424
07-16-2008, 12:07 AM
Thats not the point, would you never have sex if you didnt want a baby when you were MARRIED ?
thats what married people do !

But like , you can believe what you want to believe , i believe nothing is wrong with sex if you have protection and are 100% sure your partner has no STD's and such .

If I was married, I would have the money and emotion to take care of a baby. Why? Because I'd be out of school, with a job, and have support from my husband. And yes, If I happened to get pregnant, I would take care of the child, I wouldn't abort or put it up for adoption.

Nothing is wrong with sex but when you do it, I think you should own up to the responsibilities and risks it come's with. :)

Sparx
07-16-2008, 12:22 AM
i dont know if i could ever have an abortion.
but i would do anything to defend another woman getting one. because, regardless of if i agree with it or not, she has a right, and that right is to make a choice. i dont have to agree with her choice to defend her right to make it. and i have little respect for the actions of those trying to infringe her basic human rights.

Disney.Ears
07-16-2008, 12:25 AM
i dont know if i could ever have an abortion.
but i would do anything to defend another woman getting one. because, regardless of if i agree with it or not, she has a right, and that right is to make a choice. i dont have to agree with her choice to defend her right to make it. and i have little respect for the actions of those trying to infringe her basic human rights.

That really got me thinking to be honest.
Who am I to judge a woman's right to her own body? It may not be my choice and I may think it's wrong and murder and stuff but that's not other's beliefs. I can see how pretty much a human is being killed, but then again other woman should have their own decision.
I'm really going to have to think this over actually.
Hmmm.

chisnpeke
07-16-2008, 12:50 AM
Thats not the point, would you never have sex if you didnt want a baby when you were MARRIED ?
thats what married people do !

But like , you can believe what you want to believe , i believe nothing is wrong with sex if you have protection and are 100% sure your partner has no STD's and such .

It messes with your emotions! So there is nothing wrong with it if you can avoid mixing love and sex.

Sparx
07-16-2008, 12:59 AM
That really got me thinking to be honest.
Who am I to judge a woman's right to her own body? It may not be my choice and I may think it's wrong and murder and stuff but that's not other's beliefs. I can see how pretty much a human is being killed, but then again other woman should have their own decision.
I'm really going to have to think this over actually.
Hmmm.
it really makes me happy that youre actually taking my words into consideration. thank you.

Disney.Ears
07-16-2008, 01:05 AM
it really makes me happy that youre actually taking my words into consideration. thank you.

Absolutely.
Thank you for showing me another view.

Obviously I still believe abortion is murder and shouldn't be used as birth control under any circumstances. But I shouldn't make that factor into other people's decisions. If that makes sense?

Sparx
07-16-2008, 12:45 PM
Absolutely.
Thank you for showing me another view.

Obviously I still believe abortion is murder and shouldn't be used as birth control under any circumstances. But I shouldn't make that factor into other people's decisions. If that makes sense?

it kinda strikes me odd how many people think abortion is a method of birth control. this is a medical procedure that costs a lot of time and money. women arent going and getting these every week. its just like any other surgery.

now, a form of 'abortion' that is birth control is the morning after pill. where do you all stand on that one?

UltraJoshua
07-16-2008, 01:17 PM
Have you ever thought about killing anyone? You may think that question is crazy, but that question crosses the minds of millions of pregnant women everyday in the United States. No matter how you say it, abortion is the killing of a life. In this informative paper, you as a reader will come to understand the facts on abortion and then understand where I stand.

According to US Abortion data provided in 1995 by Planned Parenthood, there were 1.8 million first trimester abortions, 180 thousand second trimester abortions, and about four thousand required Hysterectomies. According to these figures, the United States as a whole killed or aborted 1,984,000 fetuses. It is disfiguring to think about 1 child being aborted, but 1,984,000 children, that is just sickening.

According to the Planned Parenthood survey of 1995, there are fewer deaths per million abortions than per million births and there are nine deaths per million abortion procedures and sixty-three deaths per million births. Both complications and the death rate rise with the age of the fetus. Pro-choice physicians seem to believe that a fetus can not feel any pain until the twenty-eighth week of pregnancy. Others who are pro-life believe that the fetus can feel pain as early as the seventh week. But does it really matter if the fetus can feel anything?

Proceeding with the decision to have an abortion brings severe depression…or does it? According to a survey done by Dr. Paul Sachdef, long term guilt or depression was rare in the seventy in-depth interviews that he conducted of women ages eighteen to twenty-five, single, and white. These classifications of the women interviewed represented the largest group of women seeking abortions. He also found that two-thirds of the women used contraceptives rarely or not at all. Three-fourths
of the women thought they would not become pregnant and almost eighty percent " felt relief and satisfaction" soon after the abortion.

Shelton123
07-16-2008, 04:34 PM
It's not just about mental preparation but physical. If a 13 year old gets knocked up, her body is not ready to give birth. There is a pretty high chance she'd die. That's why I think abortion should stay legal.

AmandaSparks730
07-16-2008, 04:37 PM
It's not just about mental preparation but physical. If a 13 year old gets knocked up, her body is not ready to give birth. There is a pretty high chance she'd die. That's why I think abortion should stay legal.
True that.

Like, if someone rapes a 13-year-old, she's not ready to physically have the baby, let alone mentally.

Yes, she could give it up for adoption, but that's granted she actually survives the BIRTH.

~Wishes~
07-16-2008, 06:01 PM
I would be Pro Life.

I grew in foster and orphanage in Russia whole life until 2007 when American family pick me to be with them.

Foster parents and workers always told me birth mom wanted abort me.

I wouldn't be here if that happen so I am great that it did not happen yes.


Sorry English no good.

Sparx
07-16-2008, 06:44 PM
I would be Pro Life.

I grew in foster and orphanage in Russia whole life until 2007 when American family pick me to be with them.

Foster parents and workers always told me birth mom wanted abort me.

I wouldn't be here if that happen so I am great that it did not happen yes.


Sorry English no good.

your english is fine.
and this is a powerful story you have.
thank you for sharing it.

~Wishes~
07-16-2008, 06:45 PM
your english is fine.
and this is a powerful story you have.
thank you for sharing it.Thank you much Sparx.

Disney.Ears
07-16-2008, 06:47 PM
it kinda strikes me odd how many people think abortion is a method of birth control. this is a medical procedure that costs a lot of time and money. women arent going and getting these every week. its just like any other surgery.

now, a form of 'abortion' that is birth control is the morning after pill. where do you all stand on that one?

I guess because women will say "Oh my, I had sex and got pregnant. I don't want this baby so I'll go get an abortion but still have sex anyway. So if it works the first time, then I can do it again if I get pregnant again." If that makes any sense. So like I guess "birth control" is the wrong word choice, but women use abortion as a way out of their mistakes.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the morning pill. I've honestly never heard of it. :confused:

Sparx
07-16-2008, 06:51 PM
I guess because women will say "Oh my, I had sex and got pregnant. I don't want this baby so I'll go get an abortion but still have sex anyway. So if it works the first time, then I can do it again if I get pregnant again." If that makes any sense. So like I guess "birth control" is the wrong word choice, but women use abortion as a way out of their mistakes.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the morning pill. I've honestly never heard of it. :confused:
its a hardcore dose of birth control that purges the uterus, basically. it kills the semen. a woman takes it the morning after she has sex to prevent pregnancy.

and youre very welcome wishes.

Disney.Ears
07-16-2008, 06:54 PM
its a hardcore dose of birth control that purges the uterus, basically. it kills the semen. a woman takes it the morning after she has sex to prevent pregnancy.

and youre very welcome wishes.

Oh wow! :O
Okay then. Thankyou for educating me on that.
Hmm. I guess if that's considering "abortion" it's a very minor one then I suppose.
I don't see anything wrong with it if that's her choice in protecting herself.
I don't know yet. :(

Sparx
07-16-2008, 06:56 PM
Oh wow! :O
Okay then. Thankyou for educating me on that.
Hmm. I guess if that's considering "abortion" it's a very minor one then I suppose.
I don't see anything wrong with it if that's her choice in protecting herself.
I don't know yet. :(

its very controversial (particularly with the catholic church who already has some problems with birth control) and a lot of pharmacists refuse to sell it.

i, personally, see nothing wrong with it.

Disney.Ears
07-16-2008, 07:23 PM
its very controversial (particularly with the catholic church who already has some problems with birth control) and a lot of pharmacists refuse to sell it.

i, personally, see nothing wrong with it.

I could see why it could be controversial. Hmm, I honestly don't know my opinion on it.
I guess I see the pros and cons on it..but I don't know yet.

ktbutterfly2011
07-16-2008, 08:30 PM
I'm Pro-Life.

Except for the fact that if you made abortion illegal, you'd have it being done in back alleys still. Which, I think is worse.

So. I'm pro-life... but you can't really make abortion illegal either.

life of the party
07-16-2008, 11:29 PM
I'm Pro-Life.

Except for the fact that if you made abortion illegal, you'd have it being done in back alleys still. Which, I think is worse.

So. I'm pro-life... but you can't really make abortion illegal either.

Thats why it is really contriversial , to me at least .

I think you can feel pro-life about it but be pro-choice so it stays legal so abortions dont happen in unhealthful ways .

pigletgirl
07-16-2008, 11:52 PM
I think women around the country and probably world are getting abortions everyday. It really is a sad reality. But yes if we ban it, women will still do them, but in an unsanitary place that could pose them at SUPER high risk for weird fungal and bacterial infections.

chisnpeke
07-16-2008, 11:57 PM
it kinda strikes me odd how many people think abortion is a method of birth control. this is a medical procedure that costs a lot of time and money. women arent going and getting these every week. its just like any other surgery.

now, a form of 'abortion' that is birth control is the morning after pill. where do you all stand on that one?

Well if the morning after pill is abortion then so is taking birth control tablets. I don't think either are forms of abortion because nothing has implanted itself on the lining of the uterus. The morning after pill only works if you aren't pregnant yet. If you're pregnant already, it's not going to work.

chisnpeke
07-16-2008, 11:59 PM
I think women around the country and probably world are getting abortions everyday. It really is a sad reality. But yes if we ban it, women will still do them, but in an unsanitary place that could pose them at SUPER high risk for weird fungal and bacterial infections.

Not only infection but permanant damage to the uterus.

pigletgirl
07-17-2008, 12:05 AM
Not only infection but permanant damage to the uterus.

Yep, that too. I actually heard a story about a girl who had an abortion for her first pregnancy, and then ended pregnant like 1.5 yrs later and her uterus was so damaged that when the baby got to be around 3lbs, it actually kicked a hole on the side of it and injured her bladder and kidney. Talk about intense.

life of the party
07-17-2008, 02:31 AM
Yep, that too. I actually heard a story about a girl who had an abortion for her first pregnancy, and then ended pregnant like 1.5 yrs later and her uterus was so damaged that when the baby got to be around 3lbs, it actually kicked a hole on the side of it and injured her bladder and kidney. Talk about intense.

:scared1: omg thats horrible !

tinkerbell12
07-17-2008, 03:29 AM
Are you pro-choice or pro-life? I think it depends on the situation. But it has to be early on in the pregnancy, about three weeks max.

Do you believe in abortion in general? Yes.

If a family member raped you, would you get an abortion? Situation depending.

If a close friend/sister chose to abort her baby, would you support her? I would support her because a.) she would believe it would be right and b.) it's my close friend so yeah I'll support her.


Sometimes what's wrong is the right thing to do. Abortion is not the best way to go but it might be the only way. A 14 year old girl gets pregnant? I would think abortion as the best way so the girl could end up living life as she was. Although the haunting of her not allowing a life to life would bother her, it would probaby be the best way.

Wendy in Wonderland!
07-17-2008, 03:50 AM
Pro-Choice.
I'm totally for abortion, as long as it's done in a reasonable amount of time. Not if they wait 7 months and decide they don't want the baby.

A lot of people are saying they think if a person just didn't use protection that they should have the baby. Like.. a consequence. I don't always totally agree with that.
Cause I mean, some people know they aren't cut out for parenting. They were stupid. Just because they find out they're having a baby doesn't mean they're going to change their ways to take care of it.
Other option...orphanage..those places aren't too hot either.

If they want the abortion, it's probably for a good reason. Not always, but in some cases..