Renting Points/Reservation

[browniemtb]

Maybe I'm out there but it seems that renting points is becoming more difficult....or maybe its just my luck. The type of requests from multiple resort stays, different villa size during a stay, and on and on. Also when you respond to people asking for a reservation you tend not to get a reply.....I guess this can work both ways. Lastly, I am sure many potential renters are holding out for that low low number.........$7 was the latest.....makes it difficult for new owners to justify the rental if there competing against $7. Some renters try to set the terms that they will rent at........I think the owner should set the terms, it is their points being used. Sorry about the rant here but it does seem people are demanding more for very little overall compensation for the owners.

[NSL]

Maybe you had bad luck or maybe I wasn't typical. I am renting for our next trip (I purchased DVC a month later) and I gave him what he asked $11/point. I sat on the computer and e-mailed back and forth the morning he answered my request. I had a few questions because it was the first time I had ever rented. I sent him the money immediately and he mailed everything to me right away. Later that week I e-mailed him to ask if he still had points available because I had not rented them all, he did and he made another reservation for someone else in my family as well. However, I was flexible on travel dates and on locations. But I did get my first choice on locations and only a day or two off on dates. It was very smooth and I feel we are both happy with the outcome. (Although I haven't actually gone yet!) But very excited! :thumbsup2

[LSchrow]

i haven't rented out points in a long while, but i initially found more "high maintenance" people when i posted a for rent than when i contacted one or two from their posts (high maintenance=ppl who didn't have firm plans (such as booked airfare, unapproved time off from work, etc), unsure of who was in their party and/or the ages of their children:confused3 , whether they would have the money or not, working with multiple owners but not letting them know ~ especially with hard to get ressies like BWV/BW view during F&W, christmas at VWL).
having more posts, more experience, & a longer history on the DIS (such as you have) should command a higher price, imho. it comes down to renters paying just a bit more, & having a better sense of security against losing thousands. (yes, i realize that even "old timers" can be scammers, & newbies totally trustworthy.....but in general a more experienced DISner is less likely to "run with the money" than a newcomer with 3 or so posts). chances are, a veteren is more like to know about the 7/11 month restrictions, availability (& not promise something that can't deliver), DDP, ME, & general vacation planning/recommendations.

we pay for a higher quality product with everything else, why should DVC point rental be different? :)

[Squidrific]

I absolutely agree - I have been trying to rent 82 points for 3 weeks now. I had a lady agree to a reservation - I booked it in her name and sent her the invoice. She didn't reply, didn't reply - finally she says that oh, nevermind cancel that I got a better price with my TA discount. Now my points are in a holding account because of her and I have had to discount my asking price. I know she did this on purpose - she had my points holding while she waited for that TA discount to come out and I got hosed because of it! :mad:

I have been calling MS every day at least 3 times a day checking on availability for people and then they back out. If it weren't for the 4 month banking change I wouldn't have had these extra points. I missed the deadline by 1 day since I had to cancel my own personal trip. I swear this will be the last time I ever rent.

[JimMIA]

I hadn't looked at the R/T board for a while, but I see what you mean.

I see one for $5 -- and the owner doesn't even know when his points expire! He says 8/2/08, which gives me a pretty good idea of how he got in a bind to begin with!

The $5 guy has 6 whole posts to his credit, incidentally. There's another offering points @ $7, with 4 posts, and another @ $9 with 3 posts. :rotfl2:

I think renters had better be careful over there. It's REAL obvious that some of the folks offering points for rent have no clue what they are doing.

But I don't think owners who are trying to rent points should worry. You don't want the bottom-fishers anyway. Let the people with desperately-distressed points make them happy.

[rgoulette2]

If you need to rent extra points what is a fair asking price? It looks like $10 is an avg cost.

[browniemtb]

If you need to rent extra points what is a fair asking price? It looks like $10 is an avg cost.

I guess you could define fair as what the actual owner feels. $10 does seem average but it will always remain $10 because there are going to be the $7, $8, $9 offerings. For us we have been successful at the $12 range and have rented, when we had extra points, to some very nice people. But I will admit I've never had distressed points that I had to move........

[BEASLYBOO]

I didn't rent, I had points transferred to me, I was short on points and I dealt w/ 2 very nice DVC owners who knew exactly what they had, use year etc. and it worked out fine. One was done through PayPal and the other just a check. I paid $10 per point from both. When you get transferred points you can then make the arrangements yourself and you get the confirmation letters. I prefer it to renting

[Camster0307]

I didn't rent, I had points transferred to me, I was short on points and I dealt w/ 2 very nice DVC owners who knew exactly what they had, use year etc. and it worked out fine. One was done through PayPal and the other just a check. I paid $10 per point from both. When you get transferred points you can then make the arrangements yourself and you get the confirmation letters. I prefer it to renting

Ok, I'm new to this whole idea.......but what do you mean by "transferring pts." as opposed to renting. Is it because you're already a DVC member and therefore getting additional pts. from another member is a matter of them authorizing MS to just transfer to your account?

[marlogood]

We have recently rented out points that were to expire at the end of the year and had a very pleasant experience with everyone we were in contact with. In fact, I think we made three families very happy.

I guess it might be just the luck of the draw, but we make sure to have a phone conversation and trade addresses/phone numbers to help the trust factor.

I know it only takes one bad apple, but we've been pleased with our choices so far and have made new friends.

[BEASLYBOO]

Ok, I'm new to this whole idea.......but what do you mean by "transferring pts." as opposed to renting. Is it because you're already a DVC member and therefore getting additional pts. from another member is a matter of them authorizing MS to just transfer to your account?
Yes, exactly, we are both DVC members, therefore it takes the fear out of dealing w/ someone that you don't know at all. I believe, could be wrong, that you are aloowed one transfer from anyone, cost free, through MS, into your use year. Last year I received 2 points transfers into 2 seperate use years that I used to reserve a GV for our Jun 08 family reunion. I sent the money as I explained after speaking to the members by phone and they then called MS and trasnferred me the points. 15 minutes later I called and made my res. and received my confimration 10 days later. No hassles!

[JimMIA]

Ok, I'm new to this whole idea.......but what do you mean by "transferring pts." as opposed to renting. Is it because you're already a DVC member and therefore getting additional pts. from another member is a matter of them authorizing MS to just transfer to your account?
Yes, exactly -- it's a member to member transfer. A non-member would have no way to use the points -- they actualy rent reservations, not points.

You can only do one transfer in OR out per year.

[Camster0307]

Thanks for the quick responses, BEASLYBOO and JimMIA! I have a sister and a very good friend who seem to have more pts. than they know what to do with - I may suggest to do this one year!

[Deb & Bill]

Just one reason why you should only buy as many points as you can actually use in a year.

[Camster0307]

Just one reason why you should only buy as many points as you can actually use in a year.

ITA! Didn't understand why one of them kept adding on pts. when they weren't even taking yearly trips. I know those pts. are going to waste.:confused3

[disney-super-mom]

As a non-DVC owner who has rented points (from a great veteran DisBoard member I might add), I would rather pay $10-$11 per point to a veteran Disboard member/DVC owner who posts regularly before I'd ever pay $5-$8 per point to a new member who has no history on the boards. ANYDAY!

The extra cost is worth the peace of mind.

A veteran Disboard member/DVC owner is more trustworthy, more informed, and more educated about the rental process.

I can't be the only person who feels this way.

[missy2217]

I absolutely agree - I have been trying to rent 82 points for 3 weeks now. I had a lady agree to a reservation - I booked it in her name and sent her the invoice. She didn't reply, didn't reply - finally she says that oh, nevermind cancel that I got a better price with my TA discount. Now my points are in a holding account because of her and I have had to discount my asking price. I know she did this on purpose - she had my points holding while she waited for that TA discount to come out and I got hosed because of it! :mad:

I have been calling MS every day at least 3 times a day checking on availability for people and then they back out. If it weren't for the 4 month banking change I wouldn't have had these extra points. I missed the deadline by 1 day since I had to cancel my own personal trip. I swear this will be the last time I ever rent.

I have rented twice now and have always paid what the person was asking. If I want to use what you have I have to pay or I just don't rent. I have found renting points is great for our family. As for responding to emails, I probably over email (sorry to those whom I have rented from) But I just want to make sure I have my i's dotted and my t's crossed.

[missy2217]

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The extra cost is worth the peace of mind.

A veteran Disboard member/DVC owner is more trustworthy, more informed, and more educated about the rental process.

I can't be the only person who feels this way.[/QUOTE]

I am with you on this one!:hug:

[ruzer28]

As a non-DVC owner who has rented points (from a great veteran DisBoard member I might add), I would rather pay $10-$11 per point to a veteran Disboard member/DVC owner who posts regularly before I'd ever pay $5-$8 per point to a new member who has no history on the boards. ANYDAY!

The extra cost is worth the peace of mind.

A veteran Disboard member/DVC owner is more trustworthy, more informed, and more educated about the rental process.

I can't be the only person who feels this way.


I completely agree. I'm renting points for the third time this October. I've dealt with three wonderful DVC owners. Each time I've paid between $10 and $12 per point, and I'm happy to do so. I would never be tempted to rent from someone advertising $8 or $9 a point with few posts. I'd rather pay $12 a point and actually have a hotel room when I arrive in Orlando!

[roliepolieoliefan]

As a non-DVC owner who has rented points (from a great veteran DisBoard member I might add), I would rather pay $10-$11 per point to a veteran Disboard member/DVC owner who posts regularly before I'd ever pay $5-$8 per point to a new member who has no history on the boards. ANYDAY!

The extra cost is worth the peace of mind.

A veteran Disboard member/DVC owner is more trustworthy, more informed, and more educated about the rental process.

I can't be the only person who feels this way.


I totally agree! This october will be our 3rd time renting points. I never try and barter with the owner. The family always wants to stay at either the BCV or the BWV. I'm happy just to get in there at the reduced rate of renting points so I never question.

I've dealt with some great owners( one in particular ;) ) and have never had a problem. (knock on wood....:rolleyes1 ) I'd rather go with someone with a higher post count also. I wouldn't feel comfortable renting from someone with a single post count.

[kimberh]

I totally agree! This october will be our 3rd time renting points. I never try and barter with the owner. The family always wants to stay at either the BCV or the BWV. I'm happy just to get in there at the reduced rate of renting points so I never question.

I've dealt with some great owners( one in particular ;) ) and have never had a problem. (knock on wood....:rolleyes1 ) I'd rather go with someone with a higher post count also. I wouldn't feel comfortable renting from someone with a single post count.

You are being very wise. I rented before I bought, I paid top dollar, she was great to deal with.

[TLCDisney]

We have a reservation at the end of September for VWL and we're not going to be able to use it. I was laid off from my job four months ago and we've finally admitted we just can't afford it. Would it be easier to rent out the reservation as is or try and accomodate a request?

I'm so sad to even be doing this, it makes me sick. :sad2:

Better than wasting points though as we don't have anyone in our family who can go.

[Deb & Bill]

We have a reservation at the end of September for VWL and we're not going to be able to use it. I was laid off from my job four months ago and we've finally admitted we just can't afford it. Would it be easier to rent out the reservation as is or try and accomodate a request?

I'm so sad to even be doing this, it makes me sick. :sad2:

Better than wasting points though as we don't have anyone in our family who can go.

Would it be possible to bank the points? It could make your contract more attractive to a buyer if you decide to sell it.

[TLCDisney]

Would it be possible to bank the points? It could make your contract more attractive to a buyer if you decide to sell it.


Unfortunately we borrowed 250 points from our next use year. I wish we could bank them though. We've mulled over selling but don't have the heart do it yet. I guess we'll see how things are by next year.

Telling four kids they aren't getting to go to Disney World this year was bad enough. :sad2:

[kimberh]

We have a reservation at the end of September for VWL and we're not going to be able to use it. I was laid off from my job four months ago and we've finally admitted we just can't afford it. Would it be easier to rent out the reservation as is or try and accomodate a request?

I'm so sad to even be doing this, it makes me sick. :sad2:

Better than wasting points though as we don't have anyone in our family who can go.

It is easier to look for someone on the rent/trade board that is wanting a VWL reservation that your points will work to fit their need. The further out the potential renter is wanting to book, the better chance you will have of finding availability or you can fill any resort within the 7 month window if it is available. I find that if there is not a lot of time in the request, I ended up making a lot of needless phone calls.

Before you cancel your reservation, go to the rent/trade board and see if anyone is posting your dates for a Reservation Wanted ad. That would really be nice if that were so.

If you can't find either of those, then bank the points (if you are still within your banking timeframe) rent a new reservation next year. Just keep looking, potential renters are on there. VWL owners are hard to find. I would not give the reservation away.

If all those fail, you can transfer your points to another owner. You have several options. You can post a Transfer Thread on the Rent/trade Board, you cannot post your reservation until you are within, I believe it is 30 days, by then your points will go into Holding if you cancel the reservation. You do not want to get into this situation.

[kimberh]

Unfortunately we borrowed 250 points from our next use year. I wish we could bank them though. We've mulled over selling but don't have the heart do it yet. I guess we'll see how things are by next year.

Telling four kids they aren't getting to go to Disney World this year was bad enough. :sad2:

We must have been typing at the same time. I am so sorry you are not getting to go. You are right you can't bank the points, you can't transfer them either.
I would find a renter for sure. Don't let them go to waste. If you want to PM me feel free.

[spiceycat]

We have a reservation at the end of September for VWL and we're not going to be able to use it. I was laid off from my job four months ago and we've finally admitted we just can't afford it. Would it be easier to rent out the reservation as is or try and accomodate a request?

I'm so sad to even be doing this, it makes me sick. :sad2:

Better than wasting points though as we don't have anyone in our family who can go.

definitely try to rent your reservation - that say when I post a reservation get a bunch of people wanting me to change it.

in your terms ask for half the money immediately. tell them you will cancel if you don't receive it - what 10 to 15 days after you mail them the confirmed reservation and contract.

if you get half the money now - they are less likely to cancel on you - because they got a better deal.

be sure to use a contract.

most of my renters contact me. although do use
www.myresortnetwork.com

you can definitely ask for $12 to $15 per point there and have takers. Especially if you compare what Disney will charge them for the same time.

also try
www.redweek.com - it will cost a little more - but it does get more action.

try to rent what you have - but be prepared to go for another resort.

if anyone ask for bcv or bwv during the wine/food festavial - make them aware that this is just about impossible to get. you need 11 months to make that reservation.

so sorry you are having money troubles. refinanced my condo - got a better interest rate and paying less than I was.

[TLCDisney]

Thanks for the tips Spiceycat! I listed it on myresortnetwork.

How willing are you to break up a reservation and change it for people? I'd like to sell it as a whole if I can but some is better than none if it comes down to it.