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auntie
07-04-2008, 06:08 PM
Oops..meant "They're"
sorry, don't know how to edit the title.

Anyway.....

If anyone's interested...another post about getting a site and NOT using it. :mad:
I know..a dead horse and all that.:headache: Just thought some of you might want to share your thoughts. Thread could use a bit more campground representation. Help...I'm drowning:scared:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1875444



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AuburnJen92
07-04-2008, 06:36 PM
I just said my three cents. Geesh, the nerve of some people.

AuburnJen92
07-04-2008, 06:42 PM
ok, now we are getting poo pooed because we got on to her...:confused:

auntie
07-04-2008, 06:45 PM
Yeah..I noticed the question wasn't asked in the camping forum. They want to hear, what they want to hear. AND not feel guilty about it.:mad:

AuburnJen92
07-04-2008, 07:09 PM
i added more pennies

auntie
07-04-2008, 07:50 PM
Me too..but I'm afraid it's an up hill battle! :rolleyes:

Us3
07-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Urgh!! There are really empty sites Jen?? I tried for weeks (last minute) to get a site for Wednesday-Sunday. Now to find out there are empty sites...that really makes me mad!:furious:

auntie
07-04-2008, 08:19 PM
Urgh!! There are really empty sites Jen?? I tried for weeks (last minute) to get a site for Wednesday-Sunday. Now to find out there are empty sites...that really makes me mad!:furious:


Uhh.. I'm sorry to hear this. You ought to post on the thread then. I'm shoveling "you know what" up hill over there!:rolleyes1

AlyLynn
07-04-2008, 08:32 PM
You guys did a great job! I added my voice anyway because I was so angry after reading through it. Thanks!:goodvibes

auntie
07-04-2008, 08:38 PM
You guys did a great job! I added my voice anyway because I was so angry after reading through it. Thanks!:goodvibes

Ahh..Thanks for help out!
We must defend the Fort! Not let it be held hostage by people staying off site! :woohoo:

Okay..maybe a little over the top with that:sad2: ..but what can I say...It's Fourth of July..all my kids are either working or out..and it's Bob and I..and he's sleeping on the couch....through the fireworks outside.:laughing:

So...where am I?...Checking in here of course! :wizard:

I know..I need a life.:laughing:

loveDmouse
07-04-2008, 08:56 PM
I went over and thru my two cents worth in.

3gr8kids
07-04-2008, 09:54 PM
Added my .02 cents too, for what it's worth. Oh, wait, probably two cents :lmao:

des1954
07-04-2008, 10:18 PM
Urgh!! There are really empty sites Jen?? I tried for weeks (last minute) to get a site for Wednesday-Sunday. Now to find out there are empty sites...that really makes me mad!:furious:
Sonya- We were over there all day & just got home. This morning there were quite a few empty sites, but by this afternoon, most were filled up. We didn't go "looping" after the fireworks cause it was too crazy with people, so I don't know how many sites were vacant at 10pm. It was a trick just getting our truck & trailer w/cart out of the overflow parking lot! It took us +/-15 minutes once we loaded up the cart just to get out of the lot!!:eek:

kiteri
07-04-2008, 11:27 PM
My two cents is in too... although I probably should have waited until I had a little less "4th of July" cheer in me... but oh well!

The people who would rent a site and not occupy it are the same kind of people that would take a handout at a soup kitchen while their fridge at home was stocked FULL from the local food pantry! It is all about getting it for themselves, and forget who they kept it from!

Laurabearz
07-04-2008, 11:48 PM
I stuck my foot in over there also....

It irks me to no end.

Last year I had a mom at my school suggest the same thing to me, and I was like, it's not something you should do, and they said but I can do it right? :confused3 :rolleyes: :guilty:

GOBA Mom Lynn
07-05-2008, 12:03 AM
I haven't even stayed at the Fort yet, but just being a camper, I had to add to the "discussion". And yes, it would bother me alot if I couldn't get a site just because someone decided to play the system to save a few bucks.

Just Beachy
07-05-2008, 12:03 AM
I added my 2 cents, too. Auntie, you were great! :worship: I still don't think they understood the fact that there is only ONE CAMPGROUND and like 18 HOTELS. If Pop is full, chances are you'd still be able to get a ressie at ONE of the All Stars. When the Fort is full, you're SOL. I don't think the concept requires one to be a rocket scientist. Or is it possible that I have just realized my genius....? :scratchin :rotfl2:

momoffive
07-05-2008, 12:37 AM
I don't get the lack of simple morals:sad1: . The "theft" response was interpreted to benefit the thief. It is steeling. Yes you would "purchase" the site for the allotted time but the theft takes place in the deception toward WDW to get the perks. It is wrong to deceive and when one does this, isn't it a deception to obtain "goods"? Oh I could go on....Doesn't the commercial say when you stay and play on Disney property, not fake a stay?:sad1: :sad1: :sad1:
Loretta

2goofycampers
07-05-2008, 09:11 AM
Thanks Auntie, said my piece also.

sjaakie
07-05-2008, 09:29 AM
I’m not a “camper” person myself but I can understand your frustration.

I would love to see this “abusing” to be penalized by controlling the campground.

Second day no one there? No problem just block the KTTW cards.
Problem solved. :thumbsup2

Mary2e
07-05-2008, 09:34 AM
FWIW - paying for a site and not using it is not stealing. However, I do think it's pretty crummy for people to do that just to get the bennies of being onsite. There are limited campsites on property and it's not fair to those who want to camp.

That said, I do this type thing in hotels all the time to maintain my status level. There is no law saying I can't do it. The hotel may have rules about "occupying" the room, but most don't. If I walk into the room and then leave, technically, I've occupied it.

That said, I believe Disney needs to make some rules about this. Occupying a campsite should mean putting up a tent. If there are no tents after a certain amount of time after checkin, the site should be offered to someone else.

des1954
07-05-2008, 09:48 AM
FWIW - paying for a site and not using it is not stealing. However, I do think it's pretty crummy for people to do that just to get the bennies of being onsite. There are limited campsites on property and it's not fair to those who want to camp.

That said, I do this type thing in hotels all the time to maintain my status level. There is no law saying I can't do it. The hotel may have rules about "occupying" the room, but most don't. If I walk into the room and then leave, technically, I've occupied it.

That said, I believe Disney needs to make some rules about this. Occupying a campsite should mean putting up a tent. If there are no tents after a certain amount of time after checkin, the site should be offered to someone else.

I am definitely not in agreement with booking a site knowing full well you are not going to occupy it.

That being said.... there are circumstances that keep people from arriving on their check-in date, so FtW management is not going to release a paid for site just because someone hasn't arrived! Also, some people use their RV's as their transportation (yes, you can put a camping van or Class B RV in the 2000 or 1500 loops -heck, I've even seen large Class C & A rigs there) - so they could be checked in, but just not at their site. There are other reasons why a site could be occupied but no one actually in the site at the time you go by it.

Disney will always go with "a bird in the hand" philosophy. If a site is booked & paid for, they could care less if anyone actually uses it. Sad, but true. It just makes it more of a challenge for those of us who really want to stay there.

What I don't understand is this, for a couple of extra bucks you can book a value resort & have the benefit of using it - even if you only come back to the room in the afternoon for a breather. I just don't get the "reserving a campsite for the benefits" theory.

TheFlame
07-05-2008, 10:51 AM
Boy have I stepped in it
:scared1: on that thread...not surprising though!:rotfl2:

I think I added more than my 2 cents worth and should have taken a breather before doing so!:eek:

Us3
07-05-2008, 11:01 AM
Phyllis, I added my two cents too. It's a loop hole that others will use to take advantage with. :mad: It makes me mad because sites are already so hard to come by on the weekends, peak times and holidays.

AuburnJen92
07-05-2008, 11:24 AM
Boy have I stepped in it
:scared1: on that thread...not surprising though!:rotfl2:

I think I added more than my 2 cents worth and should have taken a breather before doing so!:eek:

No, I actually think you had quite a few good points. It seems that everyone has forgotten the morality issue and only wants to see what they can get away with. I said this on the other board and I will say it here...

Why play the game if you don't need to play it in the first place? It is a waste of effort!

Disney put in 1000's of rooms in the 80's and 90's to entice people to stay on property. If you have a limited resource for all and it is misused, the resource becomes unavailable and unusable to all. This is why communism just never worked...

AuburnJen92
07-05-2008, 11:26 AM
Phyllis, I added my two cents too. It's a loop hole that others will use to take advantage with. :mad: It makes me mad because sites are already so hard to come by on the weekends, peak times and holidays.

it is crap like this along with Disney wanting to sell sites in blocks of time that make all of us have to plan out our trips over a year in advance...

the times of us just coming up to the FW gates and wanting to come in are over...i witnessed a guy screaming at a poor cm because he couldn't get it right before the 4th...it was sad (for the cm, i didn't really feel sorry for the guy because of his attitude)

auntie
07-05-2008, 11:33 AM
I can understand people choosing to stay off site. The rates of the rooms are getting pretty expensive. Especially for a family with more than four. So I do see that desire to get better accomodations and pay less by staying off site. Only..when you do so, you are sacraficing the perks that staying on property give you. It's a choice you make. Having a family of five we've had to use Deluxe resorts or two rooms to accomodate us over the years. We could have stayed off site, but being on property was an important part of our vacation. I don't think it's right that someone who chooses to stay off site, for whatever reason...should receive the perks of on property guests. Just doesn't seem right. Why should the campground guests suffer the consequenceds for those choosing to stay off site. I really do wish that there was a way for FW to police this. Or at least open up sites that are obviously not occupied after a day or so. I guess it's like Debbie says.."the bird in hand" attitude. The site is paid for,and they don't have to bother re-booking it. Just creates such ill will, and I'd hope that's something they would want to address.
I wonder has anyone from the forum ever contacted Disney or FW regarding this practice? We should get some type of petition together.

Oh..and I have to just shake my head regarding the poster who indicated that whenever there isn't a logical explanation for not doing something, there are those that will throw around the "moral" issue. It does make you wonder...what's the matter with people? This reminds me of the person who keeps the money when given back the wrong change from a cashier. Sure ...you didn't steal it..but you didn't give it back either. Doesn't make it right.

AuburnJen92
07-05-2008, 11:38 AM
I plan on saying something when I complain about our botched site assignments for the GG. I see both sides, but cannot morally agree with doing such a thing. I mean, if you are going with a family (and most do), what are you teaching your children? That getting around the system by playing a game is the right thing to do? I just can't condone that. We have enough problems in our society today without having people teaching that to their children, but that is the teacher talking.

Us3
07-05-2008, 11:48 AM
I plan on saying something when I complain about our botched site assignments for the GG. I see both sides, but cannot morally agree with doing such a thing. I mean, if you are going with a family (and most do), what are you teaching your children? That getting around the system by playing a game is the right thing to do? I just can't condone that. We have enough problems in our society today without having people teaching that to their children, but that is the teacher talking.

Funny you say that...I've always been told by my dd teachers that it was nice to see a parent teaching their kids "values and right from wrong". It constantly saddens me to see that people aren't teaching their kids these values. We try so hard to teach our girls to "do the right thing"...and that it doesn't always mean you end up with the popular vote.

I too see both sides. Disney *is* expensive and I do understand why folks seek accommodations offsite. But when people do this tent site booking while staying offsite, they are not just "getting over on Disney"....they are taking away from another family that wants to enjoy the site at FW for its *intended purpose*! That's what gets to me! :mad:

auntie
07-05-2008, 11:52 AM
It's the mother talking also. :thumbsup2 As parents, we're all teachers to our children.
I'll never forget the look on my son's face when I went back around to the Taco Bell drive through to return the near $40.00 extra change that the cashier gave me. When I counted it, my son had this huge Christmas morning grin...and when I pulled back in..he was dumbfounded. I told him, it wasn't ours to keep. That the cashier might loose her job..and someday he might have a job where he might loose it if he made such a mistake.

I think you're right..what are they teaching their kids by doing something like that? Seems so petty and small, and not a big deal. Only kids watch every little thing. They don't stay little forever..and it would be nice if they turned out to be decent human beings, and you know as a parent that you had just a little something to do with that.

seabee
07-05-2008, 12:25 PM
My .03 have been added, and I have a change purse waiting if needed.:thumbsup2

TheFlame
07-05-2008, 12:37 PM
No, I actually think you had quite a few good points. It seems that everyone has forgotten the morality issue and only wants to see what they can get away with. I said this on the other board and I will say it here...

Why play the game if you don't need to play it in the first place? It is a waste of effort!

Disney put in 1000's of rooms in the 80's and 90's to entice people to stay on property. If you have a limited resource for all and it is misused, the resource becomes unavailable and unusable to all. This is why communism just never worked...

Thanks Jen!:thumbsup2

Why are you not in the parks or playing at the Fort? Hope your headaches are gone...I slightly understand.:sad2: I occasionally have ocular migraines but not on a daily basis or to the extent you have had.

Have a good Forth(I mean Fourth!:goodvibes )...I guess I got my goodvibes back now by venting on the other thread...not feeling so evil now!:flower3:

Mary2e
07-05-2008, 12:43 PM
What I don't understand is this, for a couple of extra bucks you can book a value resort & have the benefit of using it - even if you only come back to the room in the afternoon for a breather. I just don't get the "reserving a campsite for the benefits" theory.I think some people, perhaps with larger families, are booking condos/timeshares/homes offsite and then getting a campsite for the bennies.

Offsite you can get a pretty sweet deal on accomodations for a large family compared to getting 2 or more value rooms.

des1954
07-05-2008, 01:04 PM
I put in my "left-handed" remark!

stacktester
07-05-2008, 01:14 PM
I'm not trying to be nasty, but I think with the percentage of this happening VS the amount of sites rented each year you all are wasting time you'll never get back. Just book your site way ahead of time. Speaking of that, I could start a thread about all the people who book Christmas knowing it's a 50/50 chance they're going. If it doesn't work out you cancel. Well, what if somebody who wanted the site and couldn't get it because you "MIGHT" go could be a legit complaint. I just say book far in advance and forget the worries.

auntie
07-05-2008, 01:21 PM
It does kind of stink though that the people paying the price for those who choose to stay off site..are the campers. Those choosing to stay off property get to have the best of both worlds...the value that an off site accomodation offers and the perks of staying on Disney property, at the campground guests expense.

Somehow..it doesn't seem right. I know there's no policy against it..only..come on, it's not right. What ever happened to the "pay it forward" attitude. Seems all you hear about is the "screw it..I paid for it" attitude.
I'm embarrassed to see that some of the posters are from Long Island on that thread..and honestly..that is a VERY prevelent attitude here. That..and "my kid can do no wrong..and I'll sue you".:sad2:

ftwildernessguy
07-05-2008, 01:31 PM
I added a couple of comments. I don't know, I just find it disturbing that there are so many people who are willing to do almost anything in the name of providing their family with a Disney vacation. I think maybe some are losing touch with what's really relevant in life.

auntie
07-05-2008, 03:42 PM
Apparently there has to be a "law" to do the right thing. :confused: Kind of sad. :sad2:

des1954
07-05-2008, 04:35 PM
I couldn't help myself. I posted more on "that" thread!!

ftwildernessguy
07-05-2008, 05:12 PM
Man, this aribelle person sure can write novels. The problem is, they make very little sense. It's going the way all those threads go. These morons are going to do whatever they want to anyway. To me, it makes no sense to pay an extra 42 bucks a day plus tax, not to mention taking time out to actually check in at an on site resort, in order to get free parking. Doesn't that make the parking 42 bucks a day instead of 11? Oh yes - they also get the privilege of buying the DDP, so they can gorge themselves. Let's face it, there is no reasoning with this group. I am thankful they are in the minority, and most can figure out this is no bargain.

ftwildernessguy
07-05-2008, 05:22 PM
I'm starting to goof on them now for entertainment purposes. I wonder if I can get that thread closed? HIJACK TIME!

AlyLynn
07-05-2008, 05:30 PM
It's the mother talking also. :thumbsup2 As parents, we're all teachers to our children.
I'll never forget the look on my son's face when I went back around to the Taco Bell drive through to return the near $40.00 extra change that the cashier gave me. When I counted it, my son had this huge Christmas morning grin...and when I pulled back in..he was dumbfounded. I told him, it wasn't ours to keep. That the cashier might loose her job..and someday he might have a job where he might loose it if he made such a mistake.

I think you're right..what are they teaching their kids by doing something like that? Seems so petty and small, and not a big deal. Only kids watch every little thing. They don't stay little forever..and it would be nice if they turned out to be decent human beings, and you know as a parent that you had just a little something to do with that.

Auntie,
it's people like you that are the reason our family chooses to camp. I'll never forget our 1st trip to FW this past fall (I was nervous--we have 4 kids, and have stayed in every type of resort Disney has to offer) my kids said that they had never made so many "friends" before. We are hooked--we love our family too, and want to enjoy them as long as we can!:goodvibes

auntie
07-05-2008, 06:01 PM
Okay..now someone has accused me of being self serving..and that the position of the OP in the thread is basically the same as mine. I am apparently taking a stand that I "think" is some grand, ethical point of view.
How DARE I?:mad:

I'm with JIM
KUNGALOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool1:

LarryJ
07-05-2008, 06:24 PM
Okay..now someone has accused me of being self serving..and that the position of the OP in the thread is basically the same as mine. I am apparently taking a stand that I "think" is some grand, ethical point of view.
How DARE I?:mad:

I'm with JIM
KUNGALOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool1:

Again I'm going to post something that a lot here don't want to hear, but I don't see the problem in doing what the OP in that other thread is thinking. It's no different than the often suggested "work around" here on this forum of booking longer days than you think you will need just to game the system and canceling the unwanted days later thus denying someone of those days just to get what you want ressie wise. Think of how hard it is for someone wanting some of the dates you have reserved and plan to cancel that can't get what they need/want. IMHO this is the worst abuse next to double booking ADRs that I can think of for WDW.

BTW I have never done this and just do the call and call again, but I have seen a lot of recommendations from FW campers to do what is described above and to me that is even more wrong than what the OP in that other thread suggested.

Actually at least in my mine going to FW just for the campground is almost as bad since you might be denying someone looking to go to WDW and the parks in an RV and have no other options. In this case you are denying someone the WDW experience (not just FW) and you could combine your FW experience with the park experience.

Whatever the loop hole is that some see it is what it is. Heck it might be worth it for a large family to book a tent site and use it just for parking and the entrance into the WDW transportation system and available for what FW activities they want to do including the HDDR and have their vehicle available afterward to go where ever.

Larry

auntie
07-05-2008, 06:32 PM
Okay Larry....I'm sorry but I'm going to have to ask you to leave!:laughing: It's either that or tar and feather ya...which is it gonna be?:confused3

Hmm..I've got a feeling it wouldn't be the first time you've heard this?:rotfl2:

LarryJ
07-05-2008, 06:40 PM
Okay Larry....I'm sorry but I'm going to have to ask you to leave!:laughing: It's either that or tar and feather ya...which is it gonna be?:confused3

Hmm..I've got a feeling it wouldn't be the first time you've heard this?:rotfl2:

Hey no problem I just say what I think is right and let the chips fall where they might. :cool1: :thumbsup2 Each of us have our opinions that won't be changed on what is posted in cyber space so if I get buried in them chips so be it and it wouldn't be the first time:lmao:

Larry

terri01p
07-05-2008, 06:58 PM
Oh Goodness please don't tell me I've killed another thread over on the resort board. :upsidedow

auntie
07-05-2008, 07:12 PM
Okay Terri it was you who got the thread closed!:rotfl2:
Ah...I'm just annoyed that they closed with Air...whoever's comments Where she was proud of herself for calling reservations and confusing a castmember with her inquiry.
WIERD.:scared:

terri01p
07-05-2008, 07:46 PM
Okay Terri it was you who got the thread closed!:rotfl2:
Ah...I'm just annoyed that they closed with Air...whoever's comments Where she was proud of herself for calling reservations and confusing a castmember with her inquiry.
WIERD.:scared:


Ya that was just over the top...

ftwildernessguy
07-05-2008, 08:18 PM
I still wanna raid the pools.

auntie
07-05-2008, 08:22 PM
I liked that crack about bringing the refillable mugs from 1980 when you raid the pools.:rolleyes: :laughing: Gotta laugh..what else can you do.

ILoveDisney&Cruising
07-05-2008, 10:09 PM
I forget who said this on the resort board - it was whoever called CRO to check the 'rules' ....

Again, a hestitation probably trying to figure out why, but she then said, "if you stay at the campsite then you're eligible for the DDP, so if that's what you want to do I'd be happy to book it for you".

I guess she didn't take that to mean if you sleep there :confused3 :confused3
Seems like Eleanor answered her question, but she chose to interpret it the way she wanted??

I realize another CM could give another answer. Disney's Carousel of Policy, you know :laughing: Thanks, Carol - I'm always using that there quote of yours! :rotfl:

des1954
07-06-2008, 06:06 AM
IMHO - argueing with these self-centered slobs is akin to trying to "pee-out" a forest fire. Basically, they will continue to do this because they "think" they're getting something for nothing. I agree with Donnie. Just book ressies for anytime you think you may come to FtW & cancel if your plans change.

Paying $42 a night just so you can get the DDP (or whatever it's called), free parking, and EMH privileges is just downright stupid. I understand not wanting to pay $11/day for parking - but again, IMHO, $42/day vs. $11/day just doesn't make any sense - unless you don't have the $$ & are using a credit card. They don't take CC's at the parking kiosks, do they?

ftwildernessguy
07-06-2008, 06:10 AM
I think it's fun to mess with their heads.