Virtual Family Kingdom Thread

[aengus]

Would it be possible for you to post the link to the log in screen and the link to the homepage on the first post in this thread?

I have the link for the homepage, but I don't see a "Play" button.

I know it is only in single user mode right now, but I have been gone for a few days and would like to look around.

Thanks!

Fly

no because i dont have it LOL

if someone posts it soon, I will edit the first post

[NedsTJ]

Here ya go...

http://www.virtualfamilykingdom.com/login.php

[Tiggerholic]

Anyone have the direct link to login? I go to the main page and there is no place to login anymore :worried:

:thanks:
Tigger

EDIT: Wow - what a quick answer :lmao: :lmao:

[aengus]

Here ya go...

http://www.virtualfamilykingdom.com/login.php


ok editing into first post :)

[crabbykar]

Pleaes help I cant find anyone..I log on walk all around and there is nobody around. I cant get in to Merlins shop or anyplace else for that matter. All I can do Is go to the roundtable and stonehedge but nobody is there...I AM SO LONLEYY!!!!:confused3 Where is everyone at?

[aengus]

Pleaes help I cant find anyone..I log on walk all around and there is nobody around. I cant get in to Merlins shop or anyplace else for that matter. All I can do Is go to the roundtable and stonehedge but nobody is there...I AM SO LONLEYY!!!!:confused3 Where is everyone at?

its in single player mode right now, they are working on it ;)

Read the front page it will explain it

[crabbykar]

Do you know how I can find this:worship:
We have left the game up for you in single user mode on one of our servers,

[SharkMeal]

Do you know how I can find this:worship:
We have left the game up for you in single user mode on one of our servers,

First post. ;)

[Rare_Star]

I am still a guest lol i should get my title soon. :) :) :) :) :)

[VMK_Mouse]

I just cannot wait to find all of my friends. It is hard to tell who is who when everybody is a guest.

[PrincessDonnaT]

Regarding Pay-to-Play: Many onlline games have at least two tiers. Free which provides limited game access (Disney uses this in both ToonTown and POTC) and a second monthly tier that provides unlimited access. It may be that VFK will follow that model. It is far too soon to judge them on anything as we are in a pre-beta phase.

I call it pre-beta since the game system is non-existent at the moment. Nothing wrong with that provided everyone understands what beta or pre-beta actually means. When VMK opened to it's beta phase, it was actually a post-beta where the game was in place and they were doing final checks on software code and server capacity (hence some of the "events" that seemed designed more to test capacity). The beta we are seeing in VFK happened long before anyone but programmers had access to VMK. Consequently, things are going to be very rough for some weeks if not a couple of months in VFK.

I check in every day but am not spending a lot of time there yet. I'm not sure I'll like it, for one thing, although some of what has been described is promising. I have degrees in history so that angle has some appeal. However, I don't expect them to ever achieve VMK or a VMK-state. Without a direct reference to Disney theme parks, it can never achieve the same mix of magic. That's not to their discredit but to expect an apple to apple replacement sets the player up for severe disappointment.

I've gamed for many years and there were any number of computer games I enjoyed. It isn't a loyalty question but just a caution that to find what you loved in VMK may require playing more than one game - each for its own special qualities. Right now, for fun, I'm playing Toontown. For adventure and old-fashioned RPG, I'm playing POTC. For magic...well, I'm hoping the fairies site will fill some of the pixie dust need. For room building...maybe Lego will be the answer. I don't see anything on the horizon that fits all builds. Even when VMK was at it's height, I still played other games since even VMK didn't fit every mood every day.

As Disney gets a better feel for online gaming through their niche games, I'm still hopeful that they will recreate VMK. I must say, my experiences in Toontown and POTC have impressed me. From fairness and basic gameplay, both have a lot to recommend them.
The main draw that brought me to VMK in the first place was my love for Disney..."The Magic" is what brought all of us together and was the basis for our friendships. VMK was a nice "escape" and brought the Disney magic right into my home...the perk was making so many incredible on-line friends, some I have even met in person like Decoy, Tiggerholic and Cowboysgirl. When I go on VFK i'm sorry to say, a wave of depression just falls over me. No fault of VFK... going from an incredible game like VMK just a week ago to a new Beta game is frustrating. Right now I am undecided as to what the future holds with me and VFK. I am just hoping Disney comes out with something where I can reconnect with VMK buddies. I know no one is forcing me to play VFK and I am sure someday it will be a great game but right now I feel a lot of us are grasping for a VMK replacement and I am not sure VFK is it.

[TinkPinkPoem]

Pleaes help I cant find anyone..I log on walk all around and there is nobody around. I cant get in to Merlins shop or anyplace else for that matter. All I can do Is go to the roundtable and stonehedge but nobody is there...I AM SO LONLEYY!!!!:confused3 Where is everyone at?

The game is on a single server mode-that means, you are playing alone, so you can't see or talk to anyone.

That is due to some updates they are making.

Hope this helps! :thumbsup2

[TinkPinkPoem]

The main draw that brought me to VMK in the first place was my love for Disney..."The Magic" is what brought all of us together and was the basis for our friendships. VMK was a nice "escape" and brought the Disney magic right into my home...the perk was making so many incredible on-line friends, some I have even met in person like Decoy, Tiggerholic and Cowboysgirl. When I go on VFK i'm sorry to say, a wave of depression just falls over me. No fault of VFK... going from an incredible game like VMK just a week ago to a new Beta game is frustrating. Right now I am undecided as to what the future holds with me and VFK. I am just hoping Disney comes out with something where I can reconnect with VMK buddies. I know no one is forcing me to play VFK and I am sure someday it will be a great game but right now I feel a lot of us are grasping for a VMK replacement and I am not sure VFK is it.

I only decided to join because of my friends from vmk. Sadly I had realised even before registering that I should not anticipate anything that will outdo vmk when it comes to the magic.:worried:

Disney is developing D-Gamer I think, but it is only for little kids. Not a family game in my opinion.

[SharkMeal]

Disney is developing D-Gamer I think, but it is only for little kids. Not a family game in my opinion.

Not to mention D-Gamer is basically a "promotion" to the Nintendo DS game that it comes with.

[Bugdozer]

Another Update:

Another update from the developers:

We now have our servers working in New Mexico, New York and backup servers in Dallas. This gives us both the bandwidth we need, and serious redundancy.

We will be doing live tests throughout the night, so if you happen to get into the virtual world, keep in mind it will only be up for a few minutes for any one test.

[lillorna11]

Another Update:

Another update for our developers:

We have not quite completed final configurations, but hope to have this done shortly.

We have a couple more tests to run, and everything should be ready to go a bit later today.

Your development team.

[SharkMeal]

Agreed, we might still be able to kick it off in the morning though.

Tomorrow Morning:rotfl2:

Another Update:

Another update for our developers:

We have not quite completed final configurations, but hope to have this done shortly.

We have a couple more tests to run, and everything should be ready to go a bit later today.

Your development team.

At this rate, we're going to be eating some moldy pancakes lol.

[lillorna11]

At this rate, we're going to be eating some moldy pancakes lol.

:rotfl:

[Sweetrene]

Pleaes help I cant find anyone..I log on walk all around and there is nobody around. I cant get in to Merlins shop or anyplace else for that matter. All I can do Is go to the roundtable and stonehedge but nobody is there...I AM SO LONLEYY!!!!:confused3 Where is everyone at?

crabbykar, if you go to the homepage, you will see that the site has not been available except in single player mode (just you) for awhile now. They had to do that in order to be able to upgrade the site to handle the huge amount of players that have registered. As for Merlin's shop, the developers have not open any shops yet. This game is still in it's infancy; that's what beta testing is all about. A feature is added and we get to test (experiment with) how it works. If problems or a bug occur, the developers work on it to improve or fix it, and sometimes that means pulling the game offline to do just that. We just have to be patient with each new step in its growth.

[tofubeast]

At this rate, we're going to be eating some moldy pancakes lol.

True true.... not that I won't be able to check in till after work anyway. But I give them credit for keeping us in the loop throughout their updates.

[Dreamytime]

But I give them credit for keeping us in the loop throughout their updates.

True :) That means a lot to me. We all know that VMK didn't like to give information, so this is very hopeful to me.

[SharkMeal]

True true.... not that I won't be able to check in till after work anyway. But I give them credit for keeping us in the loop throughout their updates.

Yes I really like how they check their web page and give us updates on how
their doing. I really hated it when VMK would not let us know what is going
on, such the REAL reason VMK closed. Disney simply would not let us know
why they couldn't turn it into a pay to play game, or leave it up with
no updates so it wouldn't be a money problem.

[ecsarabians]

I can't get the play button on the front page. Thx PrincessAveri

:confused3

[MPhins13]

That's great that they're keeping everyone informed on what's happening with the game. But they should answer their e-mails also. There has to be someone there who can answer them

[HeDiedxILive]

True true.... not that I won't be able to check in till after work anyway. But I give them credit for keeping us in the loop throughout their updates.

Although it would be nice to be given a time and date for the updates.
I've been confused a few times as to what "today" and "tomorrow" has meant. :blush:

[lizbeth374]

Although it would be nice to be given a time and date for the updates.
I've been confused a few times as to what "today" and "tomorrow" has meant. :blush:

i agree, at least a date when the update was posted would be great. :thumbsup2

[cyre]

Although it would be nice to be given a time and date for the updates.
I've been confused a few times as to what "today" and "tomorrow" has meant. :blush:

... particpant? participation?? :rotfl2:

I do agree. I do very much like the communication they're giving us. Definitely something vmk didn't do. At all. Hopefully it will all be up tonight! :yay:

[Horse]

But I give them credit for keeping us in the loop throughout their updates.

I feel the same. Nice to go to the game and have some idea of what's going on. We were completely out of the loop in VMK. In the mean time, getting my laundry done and catching up on some much needed rest.

[Mnementh]

If problems or a bug occur, the developers work on it to improve or fix it, and sometimes that means pulling the game offline to do just that. We just have to be patient with each new step in its growth.

:welcome: :disrocks:

I'd like to add to that point and mention that unlike VMK, it seems that they have been able to make several additions to the game WITHOUT having to shut it down entirely to do so. The past couple of days prior to them shutting the game down for the server upgrade, they added a few things in the middle of the day and, to my knowledge, the game was up and running the entire time.

[ecsarabians]

I haven't been able to sign in to vfk for two days.The play button is not showing up on the front page. Is it just me or can other people sign in? Thx PrincessAveri

[Disneychick74]

I haven't been able to sign in to vfk for two days.The play button is not showing up on the front page. Is it just me or can other people sign in? Thx PrincessAveri

They are upgrading the servers and it is taking longer than expected..you can still get on and walk around but you can't interact or anything.
From the sound of the update it should be up in a bit, later tonight perhaps.
Here is the direct log in link but remember it is single player mode so dont expect to see others or be able to chat.

http://www.virtualfamilykingdom.com/login.php

[wenyeva]

The game is down while they work on installing new server capacity, as the messages on the main VFK page say. You can still get into the game in single-player mode if you have the login page bookmarked, but you won't see any other players.

[ecsarabians]

:goodvibes

PrincessAveri

They are upgrading the servers and it is taking longer than expected..you can still get on and walk around but you can't interact or anything.
From the sound of the update it should be up in a bit, later tonight perhaps.
Here is the direct log in link but remember it is single player mode so dont expect to see others or be able to chat.

http://www.virtualfamilykingdom.com/login.php

[ecsarabians]

:)

PrincessAveri


The game is down while they work on installing new server capacity, as the messages on the main VFK page say. You can still get into the game in single-player mode if you have the login page bookmarked, but you won't see any other players.

[thesupersmartguy]

At this rate, we're going to be eating some moldy pancakes lol.

I threw my pancakes out. Anyone up for some fresh??

[NedsTJ]

I threw my pancakes out. Anyone up for some fresh??

Waffles. with ice cream. Waffles with ice cream. From Knoebels...Mmmmm

[BlueSneakerGal]

I threw my pancakes out. Anyone up for some fresh??

Oh, yes please!!

tyvm :)

[disvaclub92]

Waffles. with ice cream. Waffles with ice cream. From Knoebels...Mmmmm

Woot Knoebels!!!! But your in Dorney Country. ;)

[NedsTJ]

Woot Knoebels!!!! But your in Dorney Country. ;)

Better yet...from Beaches and Cream....if I leave now I can be there just before closing.....tomorrow... :moped:

[HeDiedxILive]

Waffles. with ice cream. Waffles with ice cream. From Knoebels...Mmmmm

Woot Knoebels!!!! But your in Dorney Country. ;)


I never thought I would see the word Knoebels on these boards! :faint:

I went there all the time growing up, although I am much closer to the land of chocolate. ;)











...is it just me or is the VFK homepage not working? I can't tell if it's a browser issue or not...

[AstroGigiblue]

Game should be up tomorrow from what a Tester said tonight, Peeps!

Well, it's about 6 minutes past closing time and evidently we came across a live server tonight. I think the Tester left it up just because she was talking to us.

I signed on in single player mode about an hour or so until close. My friend list was working, so I thought I might as well take a walk, and low and behold there were other players in the garden. So a few of us were talking.

First person I ran into was Consider. I asked her if she knew when the game might be up, and she didn't have any information.

Then later on, a Tester came into the garden to talk to us. Here are some screen shots of what she had to say. I say she, because she was using a girl avatar. ;)


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s256/AstroGigiblue/consider5-28-08.jpg


Game Opening Tomorrow Morning!


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s256/AstroGigiblue/1.jpg


First Mini-Game Tomorrow


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s256/AstroGigiblue/2.jpg


We get to change clothing Tomorrow.


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s256/AstroGigiblue/5-28-081.jpg

[wenyeva]

Wow. It's more than 90 minutes after closing and I just got on to a live server with users online. :) User1 said I caught them doing a live test. :)

[Diva of Dragons]

It's 12:30 am and a bunch of us are in the game. I see you wenyeva!:)

[wenyeva]

Unfortunately I was afk, and when I finally got back to the computer, the game wouldn't let me accept your friend request and we were back to single-player mode. :/

[Bugdozer]

Night owl update from the developers:

We want to thank all the night owls who dropped in to help us with our live tests tonight. It was a lot of fun, and the tests went great.

We should have everything back on line sometime tomorrow, and we look forward to seeing everyone then.

We would give you a definite time, but something always comes up that takes longer than we expect, but it will definitely be sometime Thursday.

Your development team

[SharkMeal]

I threw my pancakes out. Anyone up for some fresh??

Yes mine started to turn brown and smelly.

Count me in for fresh pancakes!

[VMK_Mouse]

I thank them for keeping us informed.

[wdwdreamin]

We would give you a definite time, but something always comes up that takes longer than we expect, but it will definitely be sometime Thursday.



At least they're honest!! :)

[funfly]

It's 12:30 am and a bunch of us are in the game. I see you wenyeva!:)

awww man! I missed you all, thought it was down all night when I was home.

Did I find you in the game yet? I can't remember who's on my list right now, not at the right computer.....and what title are you using there??? So glad you're there though:goodvibes
(sweet chocolate dreams woot)
fun

[Diva of Dragons]

awww man! I missed you all, thought it was down all night when I was home.

Did I find you in the game yet? I can't remember who's on my list right now, not at the right computer.....and what title are you using there??? So glad you're there though:goodvibes
(sweet chocolate dreams woot)
fun

Hey funfly! No, we haven't found each other in the game yet. I am FeyDolphy (also Dolphairy and, in boy form, ElvenMagic) there as well. Thought about coming up with a whole new name but decided it's just easier this way.:) I'll keep a look-out for you!

I brought my mules on too, just in case I need them some day.:thumbsup2

[luvyawdw]

Waffles. with ice cream. Waffles with ice cream. From Knoebels...Mmmmm

That is funny, :rotfl: We go to knobels every year. We live in Dallas PA (near wilkes barre). They do have good ice cream, I like their funnel cakes too. I never had their waffles.
It really is a nice day trip and inexpensive. But...we love disney and can not wait to go back. Now without VMK we feel really disconnected to disney. Im still hoping it will come back as a pay to play! I really don't know the odds of that :confused3
I think my daughter would pass out:faint: if it did come back. I would gladly pay.
Lisa;)

[SharkMeal]

I wish they'd say "It will be up in a week" and then have it come up before the
a week that would make us happier with them, and it would be better than
saying "It will be up this evening", then when they can't do that they say
"Our router will come in the morning and then we will get it up", and then
have the router come at night and then say "We will do tests and get it up
tomorrow" and then say the next day "It should be up sometime today" and
then it's STILL not up.

[Mnementh]

They probably figure if they say that it will be up in a week, people will take their word for it and won't bother to check the site for a full week, even if it comes back online sooner than that, so no one will play.

[Dashzap]

They probably figure if they say that it will be up in a week, people will take their word for it and won't bother to check the site for a full week, even if it comes back online sooner than that, so no one will play.

If they say a week, the compulsive site checkers amongst us (we know who we are) will check regularly anyway. And if only a few figure it out and play, all the better for alpha testing.

[Blackfaer]

As anyone in technology or management can tell you, this is a common, common situation. You figure out the problem, figure out the solution, budget your time, check with your staff, and come up with a time frame. Then you double it, and announce the doubled timeline so that your client (in this case us) will be pleasantly surprised when you are ready early!

Then you proceed to work on the problem, only to uncover another layer of problems which you discover when you thought you were just about done, which puts you right back at square one. And so you've said it will be ready by the next morning, only now you're working all night to meet that deadline, and about midnight you discover that you need one little part to fix the problem. But all the stores are closed until morning.

So then you go to the store only to find the store is out, so you rush home and order it online with overnight delivery, but they're on the East Coast and you're out West so you've missed the overnight delivery deadline, so it won't come for two more days....

So two days later you finally get that part, you install it, and everything is groovy until as you're just about to announce to your client that you're finally done and everything is working, something else breaks down all of a sudden.

So...you figure out the problem, figure out the solution, budget your time, check with your staff, and come up with a time frame. Then you double it, and announce the doubled timeline so that your client (in this case us) will be pleasantly surprised when you are ready early!

How does that song go? The bear went over the mountain...
:lmao: :badpc: :rolleyes1

[Belle1997]

I just feel so bad for them. They are probably so tired which makes it even harder to fix the problems. I am sure they have been in constant stress since Monday. SO if anyone is reading this that know the developers please send them extra pixie dust there way.:wizard: We can wait. I know they are trying their best. :thumbsup2

I the bright side I have been working on my VMK video well it is more like an epic of 2 hours and 15 minuts with about 15 more minutes to add :)

[SweetJaydGrl]

edited

[aengus]

I wonder if they ever noticed one of the few things we hated about vmk were the broken promises @_@

It is possible to keep us updated without making promises :thumbsup2

[RiceOwl]

Blackfaer you described it perfectly. Been there done that!

[aengus]

I dont know, my business doesnt let this happen ever, neither did vmk

[SweetJaydGrl]

I wonder if they ever noticed one of the few things we hated about vmk were the broken promises @_@

It is possible to keep us updated without making promises :thumbsup2


I totally agree... everyday since they've been down I've read their updates and them saying we'll have it up tonight just to be let down. I know they are doing their best but yea updated without the promises would be nice.

[wenyeva]

I just reloaded and got the "day 8a" version, and now I can change my clothes -- but it's in single-player mode, so I don't know if the change will stick. :)

There aren't enough options, but at least there are some. I would prefer to have auburn hair and glasses!

I was gonna post screenshots, but I don't have enough posts to do that yet, sorry. (Since I can't post images and web links, try going to slumberland.org/images/vfk8a1.jpg and slumberland.org/images/vfk8a2.jpg to see what it looked like.)

Edited to add: I just reloaded and the menu bar has changed again, and it doesn't let me change the clothes... but I still have the new style I chose. :) It is back to the day 5a version. Huh.

When I wandered around a few minutes ago, there were definitely some bugs. I could load two hair styles at once, and then when I started walking, I had two bodies! :o

[ichiroz1]

I just reloaded and got the "day 8a" version, and now I can change my clothes -- but it's in single-player mode, so I don't know if the change will stick. :)

There aren't enough options, but at least there are some. I would prefer to have auburn hair and glasses!

I was gonna post screenshots, but I don't have enough posts to do that yet, sorry.

Edited to add: I just reloaded and the menu bar has changed again, and it doesn't let me change the clothes... but I still have the new style I chose. :) It is back to the day 5a version. Huh.

When I wandered around a few minutes ago, there were definitely some bugs. I could load two hair styles at once, and then when I started walking, I had two bodies! :o
!
cool

[teal-drop]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg249/teal-drop/beta8d.jpg
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg249/teal-drop/beta8c.jpg
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg249/teal-drop/beta8b.jpg
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg249/teal-drop/beta8a.jpg

[MiakodaWDW]

Ok everyone please forgive me for asking this when I'm sure it's already been discussed, but there are 100+ pages on this thread and I didn't see anything in the last couple of pages, except that maybe vfk is temporarily closed. Also I didn't read all the posts, and yes you can yell at me for being lazy but I'm TIRED. LOL. I just logged on for the first time tonight (been trying to find a job...I am no longer with Disney, sadly) and all I can do is walk around one room and move three pieces of furniture that are all called "pink couch" for some reason. Is the game closed? (I did this at 12:30 am, EST) or is this part of the beta testing and it's all we can do at this time? thanks in advance for answering, I'm a little late coming into this VFK thing and I need to catch up :)

Oh, I'm still Miakoda in VFK. Can't wait to see you all there!

[teal-drop]

Warning this shirt may cause shrinkage!!!!


http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg249/teal-drop/tinyteal1.jpg

[MPhins13]

Warning this shirt may cause shrinkage!!!!


http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg249/teal-drop/tinyteal1.jpg


Did you just take these pictures? Is VFK finally open?

[teal-drop]

yes I just took pics

[wenyeva]

Looks like they are doing more live testing. You have to go directly to the login link to get in.

There is an interesting bug, with some characters being tinier than others. Very odd.

And here's a picture of it (yay, I have enough posts to add pics now!) :http://slumberland.org/images/vfk8a3.jpg

[jasonpwns]

Ill be under wolf as I forgot my info -_--

[gshawen]

Looks like they are doing more live testing. You have to go directly to the login link to get in.

There is an interesting bug, with some characters being tinier than others. Very odd.

And here's a picture of it (yay, I have enough posts to add pics now!) :http://slumberland.org/images/vfk8a3.jpg

What is the link to get logged in?

[aengus]

What is the link to get logged in?

gas the first page of this thread has that info :thumbsup2

[SharkMeal]

I see they are done with the testing, so I'm in but it's single user mode.

It says beta day 8a and I am able to change my clothes and my toolbar
was updated.

The clothe-changing option is a lot quicker than VMK's and I really like it!

But the boys still don't have very good hair but the second option is
a lot better than the one we had originally @_@

I have one problem though, I see other people in your screenshots that have
the beta day 1 shirt. I registered on the very first day, and I don't have a
beta day 1 t-shirt. :(

[debbi801]

I see they are done with the testing, so I'm in but it's single user mode.

It says beta day 8a and I am able to change my clothes and my toolbar
was updated.

The clothe-changing option is a lot quicker than VMK's and I really like it!

But the boys still don't have very good hair but the second option is
a lot better than the one we had originally @_@

I have one problem though, I see other people in your screenshots that have
the beta day 1 shirt. I registered on the very first day, and I don't have a
beta day 1 t-shirt. :(

I just checked and I don't either. :worried: I was there on day one, I even have a screen shot of me stuck to the side of the building. LOL Mybe it will be there when it goes back to regular opperations.

[Bugdozer]

Virtual Family Kingdom is Closed for the Night,
and will reopen on Friday at 12:00 noon Pacific time.

Update from the developers:

We ran our final tests this evening with the customization of characters, and with the help of our devoted beta testers everything went great!

We will resume operation at 12:00 noon pacific time!

Thank you all for your help, see you in our new virtual world!

Your development team

Bug

[lizbeth374]

I don't have my beta day 1 shirt either. :worried:

[cyre]

Once again they had opened it up last night around 230am or so east time. VFK_Fusion dropped in, as well as Sara! Sara as in founder Sara. She was a very nice lady. She answered questions and was very nice. She said it was her first time in the kingdom!

Some things she mentioned:
-There will be animals. She said she saw horses and said they were awesome!
-Bugs are still being worked out on friend lists and to be patient
-There will be pay features in the game, and stay tuned for those. She did say that the game we see will still be free, just that there will be pay extra features. One of those being parental controls. She didn't [wouldn't?] elaborate on that, so I guess we will see.

[VMK_Mouse]

I just love all the shadows with no ppl. :teeth:

[MissVMK678:0)]

:rotfl2: LOL:rotfl2:

[Bugdozer]

Once again they had opened it up last night around 230am or so east time. VFK_Fusion dropped in, as well as Sara! Sara as in founder Sara. She was a very nice lady. She answered questions and was very nice. She said it was her first time in the kingdom!

Some things she mentioned:
-There will be animals. She said she saw horses and said they were awesome!
-Bugs are still being worked out on friend lists and to be patient
-There will be pay features in the game, and stay tuned for those. She did say that the game we see will still be free, just that there will be pay extra features. One of those being parental controls. She didn't [wouldn't?] elaborate on that, so I guess we will see.

Hi,

I find this post very very interesting. I certainly have no issues with games that you pay to play BUT this game is NOWHERE ready for that. This game-if you want to call it that is not at the stage other on line games are to justify paying to play it. Right now it is a fancy chat room at best. I am more then willing to give them the time they need to get the game up to par but I think they are very premature mentioning paying for this game. They are months if not longer from being a smoothly functioning game. It will come-not overnight which is fine but neither should talk of paying be thrown at us yet. Proceed with caution is what I say. I am rooting for them to make a success but I am doing it with open eyes and being cautious as I go. Be very careful......

Bug

[aengus]

I am at least glad they finally admitted it, in the past staff were denying it despite the terms and conditions page

[SkippyPaul]

WELCOME TO OZ............the shirt actually reads: I came to Oz and all I got was this tee shirt haha hey.That is sweet and I in the front, with the pretty hair, heh, with others talking to Sara until well after 2:00 am EST. She answered some questions, like will we be getting normal size feet, and eye brows.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o174/SkippyPaul/teenie2.jpg

[VMK_Mouse]

Hi,

I find this post very very interesting. I certainly have no issues with games that you pay to play BUT this game is NOWHERE ready for that. This game-if you want to call it that is not at the stage other on line games are to justify paying to play it. Right now it is a fancy chat room at best. I am more then willing to give them the time they need to get the game up to par but I think they are very premature mentioning paying for this game. They are months if not longer from being a smoothly functioning game. It will come-not overnight which is fine but neither should talk of paying be thrown at us yet. Proceed with caution is what I say. I am rooting for them to make a success but I am doing it with open eyes and being cautious as I go. Be very careful......

Bug

Well said! :thumbsup2

[Belle1997]

Glad they mentioned it. Yes the game is a long way from any paid features. But I figured this is how they would make revenue. No different than most on line games now. Webinz has pet of the month. You do not need to buy the animal it just gives you extra activties you can do, but in no way takes away from the game.

Even disney you need to buy nintendo games to get extra features in D gamer. Or their fairies site will be tied to product merchandise.

What I read did not upset me in the least. Maybe if disney had done this we would still have VMK. Like the only wayto purchase piraye pins was through VMK then they could have tracked the money better.

So the game will stay free just not all of it. No different than the people who went to the parks and got the quest items to the people who could not afford to go.

So no panick here.

[cteddiesgirl]

Once again they had opened it up last night around 230am or so east time. VFK_Fusion dropped in, as well as Sara! Sara as in founder Sara. She was a very nice lady. She answered questions and was very nice. She said it was her first time in the kingdom!

Some things she mentioned:
-There will be animals. She said she saw horses and said they were awesome!
-Bugs are still being worked out on friend lists and to be patient
-There will be pay features in the game, and stay tuned for those. She did say that the game we see will still be free, just that there will be pay extra features. One of those being parental controls. She didn't [wouldn't?] elaborate on that, so I guess we will see.

So we will have to pay to have parental controls and keep the kids safe? Imo that should come without paying for it. After all, it is a Family Kingdom. I would think that we should have to pay to loosen controls.
This somewhat disappoints me.

[cyre]

So we will have to pay to have parental controls and keep the kids safe? Imo that should come without paying for it. After all, it is a Family Kingdom. I would think that we should have to pay to loosen controls.
This somewhat disappoints me.

That's the first thing I thought... before we make any judgements, we need to see what they're going to do. Either Sara missed what I asked, or just didn't want to answer it at the moment... stay tuned I guess.

[Bugdozer]

So we will have to pay to have parental controls and keep the kids safe? Imo that should come without paying for it. After all, it is a Family Kingdom. I would think that we should have to pay to loosen controls.
This somewhat disappoints me.

You took the words right out of my finger tips ;) How can they even consider charging for parental controls in a game they are pushing as a family kingdom. I just wonder how many people are looking through rose colored glasses as they are desperate for something. Once again I have no issues with the pay to play but not at this point in the development of the game. Just makes me even more cautious. They don't even have a secure login which anything that requires a password should. They should not have even opened without a secure login. When I question staff about it I got the "they are working on it" Seems the "they are working on it" has become the VMK "soon":laughing:

Bug

[WebmasterKelsie]

So we will have to pay to have parental controls and keep the kids safe? Imo that should come without paying for it. After all, it is a Family Kingdom. I would think that we should have to pay to loosen controls.
This somewhat disappoints me.

I couldn't agree more and if they do this, we as a family will no longer be visiting this site.

I am very concerned if this is the case, not just for my family but also to continue allowing VFK discussions on the DIS. There are just too many children here to promote a site where you have to pay to make sure they are safe.

[KrazyPete]

I couldn't agree more and if they do this, we as a family will no longer be visiting this site.

I am very concerned if this is the case, not just for my family but also to continue allowing VFK discussions on the DIS. There are just too many children here to promote a site where you have to pay to make sure they are safe.

Paying for the parental controls doesn't make sense to me either. However, I think it's a little premature to talk about blocking discussions of the game based on this one comment. Can I just ask where the concern for the children is at when people talk about Sims, Second Life, Gaia, Maplestory et al? It really seems like VFK is held to a different standard and I'm curious to know why.

[aengus]

They obviously know what their game plan is, and since they do they should take advantage of that website of theirs and spell it out clearly what their short term and long term goals are.

[cteddiesgirl]

Paying for the parental controls doesn't make sense to me either. However, I think it's a little premature to talk about blocking discussions of the game based on this one comment. Can I just ask where the concern for the children is at when people talk about Sims, Second Life, Gaia, Maplestory et al? It really seems like VFK is held to a different standard and I'm curious to know why.

Actually, I can kind of understand it. VFK promotes it's self as being family friendly. The other sites really don't. In fact, in many of those threads, it is explicitly stated that they are not kid friendly sites.

To me, this is the difference.


I think that many of us that has concerns about the safety of VFK should probably contact them and let them know our feelings. I would pay to loosen controls of my game play. But would much rather have those controls already in place for everyone for free.

[lindseysmomma]

I think we are all getting ahead of ourselves with the parental controls.

At first I read it the same way you have to pay to protect the kids but maybe it means that if you pay you will be able to unlock the parental controls and parents will be able to control what there kids can/can't see and say. If you don't pay then everything is like it was in VMK, with the built in dictionary, etc.

[snowgracefulstone]

Paying for the parental controls doesn't make sense to me either. However, I think it's a little premature to talk about blocking discussions of the game based on this one comment. Can I just ask where the concern for the children is at when people talk about Sims, Second Life, Gaia, Maplestory et al? It really seems like VFK is held to a different standard and I'm curious to know why.

I couldnt agree with you more, for all we know it is going to be pay to release certain features of the parental controls (maybe pay an extra fee to chat a little less limited im pms between paying members). this would keep the pay system on the adults where it should be. I would also like to know why vfk is being held to a different standard. I can speak from personal experience on both gaia and second life, that these sites should be adult only. In gaia in almost any room u walk into, you will run into ppl cybering, racial profiling and bullying on a massive scale. In second life u get all that and more (many areas of the game are nude, including many virtual strip clubs). yet gaia is openly discussed on this board, i think ppl need to take a step back and give this game a chance. There is no substitute for parental involvement in keeping our children safe and right now vfk is not an appropriate site for children, so keep them off till they get all this worked out. I will not even allow my seventeen year old on any of the aforementioned sites right now and that includes vfk ( i did allow her to register and I go on her character occasionally so she will receive all the beta items) But she needs to wait till this site is fully up and functional before she can go on and search for her friends. She will just have to get over that and if she doesnt their is always webkinz,:rotfl:

[WebmasterKelsie]

Paying for the parental controls doesn't make sense to me either. However, I think it's a little premature to talk about blocking discussions of the game based on this one comment. Can I just ask where the concern for the children is at when people talk about Sims, Second Life, Gaia, Maplestory et al? It really seems like VFK is held to a different standard and I'm curious to know why.

Oh believe me, the talk about blocking discussion of VFK is not just based on this one comment. And for the record, we've actually been fighting to allow it to be discussed at all. This is just another reason to consider IF they charge parents to protect their children.

When you promote yourself as a "Family' site then charge to protect children, it does hold you to a different standard.

We just need to keep watching and wait to see what happens.

[disvaclub92]

To be honest, the parental controls discussion seemed to appear last weekend when we pointed out no help button. (Which I have tested and while fuctionality was there, it did not operate so - so much for having a help button. It could work now, but who knows the game has been down.)

Paying for parental controls, obviously they have not identified their audience. The terms of service have been there for a while, we have posted them several times here. All they state is paying for "enhanced services". I really don't think they have a general idea what the enhanced services are.

REGISTRATION AND SUBSCRIPTION: Registration as a Member of the Service for free. This service includes the chat and instant messaging features in the VitualFamilyKingdom.com environment. There are enhanced Services which are available which require confirmation of age and identity and this requires that you become a subscriber and pay any related fees. This price list is part of this Agreement And We reserve the right, at any time, to change any fees or charges for using the Service. To become a Member, You must register for the Service. When and if You register to become a Member, You agree to provide accurate, current and complete information about Yourself as prompted by Our registration form ("Registration Data"), and to maintain and update Your information to keep it accurate, current and complete. You agree that We may rely on Your Registration Data as accurate, current and complete. You acknowledge that if Your Registration Data is untrue, inaccurate, not current or incomplete in any respect, We reserve the right to terminate this Agreement and Your use of the Service and, in such event, You shall not be entitled to a refund of any unused subscription fees.



Provide the price list so people can see what the enhanced services are? You state you have one now show it.


To comment in regards to the other games and such posted on the boards, we are all trying to find a virtual home for us to play. This board serves an audience of many ages, we are doing our best to find homes for everyone. In addition, advising that some sites may not be best suited for minors. We have stated advisory's to that fact. Which is what we are doing here in this thread as well.

[Goofy05]

Paying for the parental controls doesn't make sense to me either. However, I think it's a little premature to talk about blocking discussions of the game based on this one comment. Can I just ask where the concern for the children is at when people talk about Sims, Second Life, Gaia, Maplestory et al? It really seems like VFK is held to a different standard and I'm curious to know why.

I think they are held to a higher standard because of how they went about gathering a flock for their community. They spammed all of the vmk fansites advertising their 'family-friendly' free game with all of the features us vmk players had come to expect. So far, I've seen little proof to back up their claims. It's those empty and broken promises that will kill their project.
As it stands now, they have huge numbers of registered players. That equates to $$$ for them to continue building this 'game'. Now that they can show their investors how 'successful' they've become in such a short time, it's going to change things considerably for those players.
As for the other games, they were existing games and never once did they send someone here to gain more members. They don't claim to be 'family-friendly' sites.

[Belle1997]

Just trying to think out side the box. I am not saying these are good ideas jsut trying to figure out what could be considered extra parental control.

Maybe one of the parent controls could be needing to have a parent password if a child is logging in at a time they are not allowed to. How many kids told us they were out of bed playing VMK, hoping not to get caught.

Or when they get home they are to be doing their homework. This way they can log on themselves but the parent needs to log them in at other times they are not normally allowed tot play :)


Or what about a more direct contact to the people running the game. The biggest problem that parents had was not being able to prove they were the parents and never getting information on the ban. I know with toontown with paid subscription you talk to an actual person. Not sure if this is the case with non-paying part.

Or a chat log to be sent to parents so they know what their kids are up to on the game. Kinda like some of the IM services.

Some sites you need a parents permission to make friends in the game. Maybe this will be another feature. Some parents only allow there kids to be friends with people they know.


If you are paying for a site you would expect to be able to discuss and issues. I think you should be able to do this event as non paying.


Those are just some of my thoughts.

[KrazyPete]

To comment in regards to the other games and such posted on the boards, we are all trying to find a virtual home for us to play. This board serves an audience of many ages, we are doing our best to find homes for everyone. In addition, advising that some sites may not be best suited for minors. We have stated advisory's to that fact. Which is what we are doing here in this thread as well.

For the record, I really do appreciate your advice but not censorship. I'm not going to get into a side debate about that. I just hope you give us some time to see what this game is going to become before discussion about it is blocked again.

[WebmasterKelsie]

I just hope you give us some time to see what this game is going to become before discussion about it is blocked again.

We are not going to pretend blocking discussion about VFK is not a possibility. I believe we ARE giving it some 'time' to see what transpires and I for one really hope they live up to what they are promoting. I too miss VMK!

[disvaclub92]

For the record, I really do appreciate your advice but not censorship. I'm not going to get into a side debate about that. I just hope you give us some time to see what this game is going to become before discussion about it is blocked again.

Thanks Pete, I understand your point. But let me stress that "censorship" and "violation of rules" are two different things. Violation of rules set forth by the DIS is what caused the blocking of the discussion originally.

[KrazyPete]

Fair enough, thank you both :)

[TikiIslander]

I know of a fabulous game that has extra parental controls among other features for the paid version. The kids are certainly safe in the free version, but parents can become more involved in the kid's experience within the game once they sign up for these additional features. I am definitely not saying that's how it is for VFK, but I think we need more information to make that judgment.

I think everyone here wants (and deserves) a free flow of information to make a proper decision. Lots of people are saying how they're so glad VFK has been keeping everyone updated with their progress on game repairs, but aside from how they have a new router, we know very little about this game. Like Aengus said, they've got a website, why not use it to tell us things we really want to know. We're getting more info out of them at 2AM in the garden than we can gather from their homepage!

I think they deserve time to get their act together before we make any judgments, but at the same time, they willingly put themselves in this position. I am far from an advocate of this game, but I *really* just want to know what's going on. I haven't believed many of their claims, and I think they need to just come clean and let us know what's up before they dig themselves in too deep.

[MomsGoneGoofy]

WELCOME TO OZ............the shirt actually reads: I came to Oz and all I got was this tee shirt haha hey.That is sweet and I in the front, with the pretty hair, heh, with others talking to Sara until well after 2:00 am EST. She answered some questions, like will we be getting normal size feet, and eye brows.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o174/SkippyPaul/teenie2.jpg


This looks like a virtual version of Little people Big world :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[NedsTJ]

I think the only reason any of these "non-disney" games are allowed to be discussed on the disboards VMK forum is to allow us to continue our friendships with "old VMK" players. Otherwise, I think they'd all be moved to a community forum at the very least. VFK, on the other hand, did actively post "recruiting" new players, thus violating the rules and are now subject to more scrutiny. (at least that's how I'm understanding it). I honestly think that what they did was done with the the best interests of the kids at heart (or at least I think they believe that!) but given some 20/20 hindsight probably wasn't the best way to go about it. I think they have a good thing going, however, and I'm rooting for them. You can tell from the way the beta is going, that they did only start creating it about 6-8 weeks ago, LOL. In my book, that's not only lending some credance to their story, but also some loyalty from me as well, especially if it takes off.

The disboards are a place for discussing things Disney Related. Aside from the "former VMK players", VFK (and the other games) has nothing what-so-ever to do with Disney. FWIW, I'd like to see this forum transformed into a Disney Online Gaming forum, for discussion of all Disney games (toontown, pirates, pixies, etc), but I think that's a little ways away yet.

Now...if VFK were to create their own "Main Street"....

[aengus]

Trying not to dwell too much on the negative, but there is a big difference when our members are recommending a game to play, than when the owners of a game log in and tell us to play their game.

[BriarRosie]

Trying not to dwell too much on the negative, but there is a big difference when our members are recommending a game to play, than when the owners of a game log in and tell us to play their game.

Agreed. I have been highly skeptical of their agenda since they came on, and I have been avoiding the game until I see it start to LOOK like one.

[TinkPinkPoem]

Trying not to dwell too much on the negative, but there is a big difference when our members are recommending a game to play, than when the owners of a game log in and tell us to play their game.

I agree.

I also think that parentals control should be there in the first place, when the game began, since it is a family kingdom. They advertise it as such, sometimes in a not so good manner, but they don't seem to do much to prove it.

There were posts from many people on this board on the previous pages about it and we all seemed to agree that they should put the chat modification on the top of priorities list. Now they say it will be a paid option? Think of how many people and families will be turned away from a 'free family game' whose safety will be a matter of being able to pay for it or not.

There is no help button and apparently nobody to answer contact us. No secure login. No e-mail notification to current players or to those on the waiting list.

From what they state and the way they handle technical issues, I am sorry to say this but they do not look like a fully fledged bussiness/corporation.

I can't believe that a bussiness doesn't own an extra router. I can't believe that they seem not to know their target audience and haven't done their marketing research and development timetable a long time before releasing the game.

We are all here trying to find a place to keep our vmk friendships and cling to the vmk spirit in any way possible.

However, the lack of proffessionality by their part and the absence of the Disney element is not helping much...:worried:

Be positive, but don't set the bar too high.

[Disneychick74]

When I read the post about the pay to play and parental controlls I read it differently than all of you I think.

HOPEFULLY, what Sarah was saying is that if you PAY to play the game you have MORE control over Parental controls. Anotherwords if you are an adult playing, you can turn on and off a language filter to have a broader dictionary.
The only safe way to have this feature WOULD be a Pay to play because a Credit card varifies that the player in control of the account and parental controls is over 18.

So I think the "normal" family type controls will be in effect for everyone but the ability to "losen" the controlls will be available to paying (Adult) customers.

[TinkPinkPoem]

When I read the post about the pay to play and parental controlls I read it differently than all of you I think.

HOPEFULLY, what Sarah was saying is that if you PAY to play the game you have MORE control over Parental controls. Anotherwords if you are an adult playing, you can turn on and off a language filter to have a broader dictionary.
The only safe way to have this feature WOULD be a Pay to play because a Credit card varifies that the player in control of the account and parental controls is over 18.

So I think the "normal" family type controls will be in effect for everyone but the ability to "losen" the controlls will be available to paying (Adult) customers.

Supposedly it will work this way, but I can't help but to wonder: Won't kids stumble upon people with a much broader dictionary in game? They can't just stop players with the extra chat option from wandering around..

And while the kids thankfully won't be able to give out any personal information or such, imagine all the things they may witness being said by some of those with "priviliged" chat.

I don't know how this will work. :confused3

Maybe if they have servers just for kids!

[Disneychick74]

Supposedly it will work this way, but I can't help but to wonder: Won't kids stumble upon people with a much broader dictionary in game? They can't just stop players with the extra chat option from wandering around..

And while the kids thankfully won't be able to give out any personal information or such, imagine all the things they may witness being said by some of those with "priviliged" chat.

I don't know how this will work. :confused3

Maybe if they have servers just for kids!

Well, lets say the word "one" is in adult vocab but not childs.
So adults can say "I'll take one" and other adults will see it as just that but children will see it as "I'll take ###"
This is how it was on a game I played a while back and was nice because the adults that played could actually carry on a normal conversation. I am not saying that it is going to allow a vulgar dictionary, just a more liberal one.

[TinkPinkPoem]

Well, lets say the word "one" is in adult vocab but not childs.
So adults can say "I'll take one" and other adults will see it as just that but children will see it as "I'll take ###"
This is how it was on a game I played a while back and was nice because the adults that played could actually carry on a normal conversation. I am not saying that it is going to allow a vulgar dictionary, just a more liberal one.

Thank you for making it clear for me, because I couldn't think of way..I'm a little tired at the moment!:)

[DaffyPluto]

Supposedly it will work this way, but I can't help but to wonder: Won't kids stumble upon people with a much broader dictionary in game? They can't just stop players with the extra chat option from wandering around..

And while the kids thankfully won't be able to give out any personal information or such, imagine all the things they may witness being said by some of those with "priviliged" chat.

I don't know how this will work. :confused3

Maybe if they have servers just for kids!

I for one am not happy about the ability to losen up the chat. What is it that us parents are worried about anyway? It not that our kids find a friend their own age thousands of miles away and tell them how to contact them on their instant messanger. Really what we are worried about is the predators out there, that we know for sure, are out there lurking about in these games trying to lure our kids into harms way.

Also we are trying to promote a ideal of personal information is not to be shared at any cost, between anyone at anytime by our kids. If kids see people with the freedom to do this they will want this for themselves and then, poof, there goes the ideal situation out the window.

For me the perfect situation would be a seperate space or place where adults only were allowed. Where we could sit at our machines and chat with other adults and have a drink and talk about adult things. In the game however all chat should be limited to kid appropriate conversations period. IMHO

[disvaclub92]

So I think the "normal" family type controls will be in effect for everyone but the ability to "losen" the controlls will be available to paying (Adult) customers.

I see your point, but if that was the case the "normal" family controls should have been in place once it was released to the public. I have seen alot of personal info given out in the short timespan it has been up.

[debbi801]

Well, it appears to be up. But, when I got in, I was in single user mode: couldn't talk and did not see another soul. I also still don't have my "day one" shirt. :worried:

[lizbeth374]

I for one am not happy about the ability to losen up the chat. What is it that us parents are worried about anyway? It not that our kids find a friend their own age thousands of miles away and tell them how to contact them on their instant messanger. Really what we are worried about is the predators out there, that we know for sure, are out there lurking about in these games trying to lure our kids into harms way.

Also we are trying to promote a ideal of personal information is not to be shared at any cost, between anyone at anytime by our kids. If kids see people with the freedom to do this they will want this for themselves and then, poof, there goes the ideal situation out the window.

For me the perfect situation would be a seperate space or place where adults only were allowed. Where we could sit at our machines and chat with other adults and have a drink and talk about adult things. In the game however all chat should be limited to kid appropriate conversations period. IMHO

I agree :thumbsup2

[wenyeva]

People seem to be overreacting to such a small comment. Why not wait and see what was really meant before getting upset? I am pretty certain they didn't mean that all parental options would be pay to use, once the time comes. That wouldn't make any sense. It was probably just a poorly-phrased sentence.

I think that any pay options are a long ways off at this point anyway. They will have them, but it's not going to be today or tomorrow.

And the game is so primitive for the moment that parents of young children probably shouldn't let their kids log in unsupervised yet. Supervised is probably fine -- I actually haven't seen anything bad on there yet, and there's no personal messaging, so anything people say is going to be out in the open anyway. (The worst thing I've seen on VFK so far was someone spamming the room so no one else could get a word in. But their spam wasn't anything offensive, it was just the same word repeated over and over.)

This is not a bad thing -- we are seeing a lot of the development process publicly and being a more active part of testing than many users of other games get to be. That's fun. But it's not finished and so people who are protective of their children should keep that in mind.

I don't have kids and I am an adult, so for me it's fine. I am enjoying seeing things grow and improve as quickly as they are, and I wish people would be less negative about every trickle of information that comes out.

Now... regarding the Beta shirts... I logged in last night, and it was single-player mode, and version 8a was up. I started playing around with changing my clothes, and the beta shirt was available to me:

http://slumberland.org/images/vfk8a2.jpg

I started walking around and ran into the bugs I mentioned earlier, with having two hairstyles at once and even two bodies! :scared1:

Then I reloaded, the game was back to 5a, and I couldn't change clothes anymore. But I still had my new look.

Then I reloaded again and the game said 8a again, and this time it was multi-player! And everyone started asking me about the shirt. I looked in my inventory and found... no Beta shirt. I still had it on, but apparently for some reason the shirt was out of the game.

So I think no one can get the beta shirt at the moment (unless it changes in 9a today), and that I only got it because I was lucky enough to log in right when the version of the game that allows it was running. Then they took it back down. I am sure everyone else will get their Beta shirts eventually. (They *should* say Alpha, though...) I'm afraid that if I take the shirt off I won't get it back! :lmao:

[Dreamytime]

Well I got in - No Day 1 Shirt and no title for me.
But my boy account, Alias and his girl account and NeoPiratePrecious and Ezmi
all are titled - no shirt on any of them btw.


So I'm still Guest10667.

[OneLittleSpark]

Woot! I'm now officially SoupDragon!! :yay:

[cteddiesgirl]

When I read the post about the pay to play and parental controlls I read it differently than all of you I think.

HOPEFULLY, what Sarah was saying is that if you PAY to play the game you have MORE control over Parental controls. Anotherwords if you are an adult playing, you can turn on and off a language filter to have a broader dictionary.
The only safe way to have this feature WOULD be a Pay to play because a Credit card varifies that the player in control of the account and parental controls is over 18.

So I think the "normal" family type controls will be in effect for everyone but the ability to "losen" the controlls will be available to paying (Adult) customers.

And I truly hope that this is what was meant. It would be in their own best interests. :)

[thesupersmartguy]

Nice to see the game up and working, hope to see you all there.

[the_jedi_master]

Should I complain? I'm still Guest148! :(

[curlee-Q]

Woot im curlee-Q now :)

[goldengourd]

Should I complain? I'm still Guest148! :(

I know how you feel, I'm still a guest too. Guest1523. Sigh. :worried:

[Disneychick74]

I see your point, but if that was the case the "normal" family controls should have been in place once it was released to the public. I have seen alot of personal info given out in the short timespan it has been up.

I agree, they should have either made an age limit for beta testers to get the more "mature" crowd in or had the proper parental controls in place,
The other annoying thing is the wa people can spam chat, like 3 rows of Exclamation points lol VFK needs typing tickets!! lol

[wdwdreamin]

I just logged in real quick from work and I have my name!! I'm officially wdwdreamin--hope to run into some you later on tonight.

ETA--No beta shirt for me either though.

[OneLittleSpark]

Woot! I'm now friends with Littlebelle! That is you Belle, isn't it? If not I've just befriended a complete stranger :rotfl:

[WWEDUDE]

Why do guys get mullets and Zac Effron hair? :rolleyes1

[Belle1997]

Woot! I'm now friends with Littlebelle! That is you Belle, isn't it? If not I've just befriended a complete stranger :rotfl:

Hi there yes it was stop in for a quick 5 minutes saw you there click friend request viola that simple :) It was my drive by friends making before I got back to work :lmao:

Will be on more tonight :)

[Dagny]

I logged in, my name is approved but not beta shirt for me either :(

[tofubeast]

VFK_Dragon said the Beta shirts will be in our inventory when Beta is over

[whs_singingrose]

no beta shirt here either.

[Blackfaer]

yay I have my name!:cool1: I'm not a guest anymore!

I have to say, I think people are seriously over-reacting to nothing. Reading through the last several pages of posts, one person posted a vague mention of something said in passing, and by 2 pages later people were ready to sue the VFK people for false advertising, or at least give up on VFK entirely.

Right now, we've got a small group of people taking time out of their lives to try and create something to fill the void VMK has left. They're working like crazy to get this thing running and when you consider the timeline that a typical professional game company with dozens of employees work on for a game of this level of complexity, they're doing amazingly well. Remember that these people have no corporate backing, they're doing this in their free time.

Perhaps, hindsight being 20/20, it might have been better if they asked for Beta testers to be adults. But they had no idea of the numbers they would get or the problems they would run into. And considering that the whole point was making up for how bad everyone felt about VMK leaving, I hardly think it would have made them any friends if they had so done. Instead of people complaining about how the whole game is not kid-friendly (which quite frankly I don't see) we'd have people complaining that they don't let kids play.

Most of the complaints are about things that we're guessing at. We have post after post of people complaining about paying for parental controls, without anyone knowing the first thing as to what that might mean. A passing comment like that certainly doesn't mean they're going to make it unsafe for anyone who doesn't pay! We don't even know what that might mean! :confused3

We have people complaining about the lack of response, or the less-than-secure login - while these are reasonable concerns, again, this is BETA testing - not a finished game - and if you're concerned about those things, don't be a Beta tester. Wait for the game to be completed. Beta testing used to mean exactly what this is - not Alpha testing, as some have argued. Beta testing has for decades been a process of getting outside involvement in running through the programming to find bugs that the developers don't find because they don't think of the creative things people try or they don't have the software or hardware that causes conflicts. If you look at older games, Beta Testers get credits at the end, and there's usually just a few of them, like 5-20. They're usually required to sign non-disclosure agreements and have to promise to put in a certain number of hours to test out all the glitches. To expect full service and proper security at this point would be asking a lot of a typical company, let alone a group of programmers trying to do something in their spare time.

I love the people on this board, and there are many great comments and all, but I'm getting tired of so many posters looking at all the people with VMK and/or VFK as some horrible corporate evil monster that's out to get our children molested. One big concern is that they came on and ADVERTISED their plans on the forum, a clear violation of the rules! Looked at another way, a couple of people with a plan to ease our suffering by creating a replacement for VMK, who also happened to be members of this forum, came into the forum where their friends are and told us all about their plan so that we might be slightly less sad. How evil and horrible! They should be shot!:eek:

I guess all I'm saying is, cut them a little slack! This is not some sick plan to steal your children or your identity. This is a few good people trying to help, and they're making the occasional mistake. Give them some time before you condemn them!

Why do you think Disney VMK was so tight-lipped about everything? It's because every time someone let something slip (like Sarah's comment about future pay-for-play programs) the rumour mill immediately started churning out conspiracy theories. If you appreciate how much harder Sarah and their team are working to keep us informed, please don't undermine their efforts by contributing to these outraged reactions when rumours start off supposition. At least wait until you actually hear what they're planning before you start lambasting them. :(

I'm sorry for those who don't agree or still suspect some ulterior motive, but all the evidence points to them being completely aboveboard volunteers out to try and make us happy. Yes, they plan to eventually make money off of it - hardly an evil motive considering they're family people just like us who are investing not only their time but their savings (or their credit) to get this off the ground. 8000 people on at once adds up to many thousands of $ in bandwidth and server expenses; one of the reasons Disney shut down VMK. I know many of you have no concept of the expense of such an undertaking, but I can guarantee that Disney was paying literally millions of dollars a year for VMK's operation. It's not as simple as some people seem to think.:badpc:

I'm sorry if anyone feels like this is a flame or a rant, but I'm getting really tired of all the angry posts I've been reading when there's nothing to be angry about. I imagine some of it is just misdirected from the pain we all feel at the loss of VMK, and I know safety of kids is a pretty major hot button. But if you look at what has actually happened so far, VFK has not done anything to make kids unsafe; most of what people are upset about is entirely based on wild guesses as to what the future might hold, or assigning ulteriour motives due to lack of knowledge. Let's just bring some objectivity to the discussion, okay?:love: :hippie: :)

[wenyeva]

Well said, Blackfaer.

About the beta shirts -- as I mentioned before, they they aren't in the inventories now. I logged in for a moment when they were available, and chose the shirt. Then they took them away again, but I still have the shirt on. That is why you may see a couple of people wearing them -- I think everyone who has them logged on during the brief time last night when they were available. But they aren't available now, and I bet if I change out of mine I won't be able to get it back until they give them back to everyone, because it's not listed in my inventory any more either.

They have said that the shirts will reappear, so be patient. :cutie:

It is kind of disturbing how many people are friending me because of the t-shirt...

[OneLittleSpark]

Woot! Hanging out with Fin and Candle! And Fin remembers me, I feel special :goodvibes

[Mnementh]

I like to give the benefit of the doubt most times. I'm sure the VFK staff had intended to include all of the important stuff in the game that everyone says is missing (a fully functional report box, etc.). I think VMK's closing caught them off guard and they decided they should release it as is for our sakes. Maybe it was a mistake to release it so soon without all of these safety features, but I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they had us in mind when they decided to open the game too soon so we would have somewhere to keep our friendships alive.

[snowgracefulstone]

yay I have my name!:cool1: I'm not a guest anymore!

I have to say, I think people are seriously over-reacting to nothing. Reading through the last several pages of posts, one person posted a vague mention of something said in passing, and by 2 pages later people were ready to sue the VFK people for false advertising, or at least give up on VFK entirely.

Right now, we've got a small group of people taking time out of their lives to try and create something to fill the void VMK has left. They're working like crazy to get this thing running and when you consider the timeline that a typical professional game company with dozens of employees work on for a game of this level of complexity, they're doing amazingly well. Remember that these people have no corporate backing, they're doing this in their free time.

Perhaps, hindsight being 20/20, it might have been better if they asked for Beta testers to be adults. But they had no idea of the numbers they would get or the problems they would run into. And considering that the whole point was making up for how bad everyone felt about VMK leaving, I hardly think it would have made them any friends if they had so done. Instead of people complaining about how the whole game is not kid-friendly (which quite frankly I don't see) we'd have people complaining that they don't let kids play.

Most of the complaints are about things that we're guessing at. We have post after post of people complaining about paying for parental controls, without anyone knowing the first thing as to what that might mean. A passing comment like that certainly doesn't mean they're going to make it unsafe for anyone who doesn't pay! We don't even know what that might mean! :confused3

We have people complaining about the lack of response, or the less-than-secure login - while these are reasonable concerns, again, this is BETA testing - not a finished game - and if you're concerned about those things, don't be a Beta tester. Wait for the game to be completed. Beta testing used to mean exactly what this is - not Alpha testing, as some have argued. Beta testing has for decades been a process of getting outside involvement in running through the programming to find bugs that the developers don't find because they don't think of the creative things people try or they don't have the software or hardware that causes conflicts. If you look at older games, Beta Testers get credits at the end, and there's usually just a few of them, like 5-20. They're usually required to sign non-disclosure agreements and have to promise to put in a certain number of hours to test out all the glitches. To expect full service and proper security at this point would be asking a lot of a typical company, let alone a group of programmers trying to do something in their spare time.

I love the people on this board, and there are many great comments and all, but I'm getting tired of so many posters looking at all the people with VMK and/or VFK as some horrible corporate evil monster that's out to get our children molested. One big concern is that they came on and ADVERTISED their plans on the forum, a clear violation of the rules! Looked at another way, a couple of people with a plan to ease our suffering by creating a replacement for VMK, who also happened to be members of this forum, came into the forum where their friends are and told us all about their plan so that we might be slightly less sad. How evil and horrible! They should be shot!:eek:

I guess all I'm saying is, cut them a little slack! This is not some sick plan to steal your children or your identity. This is a few good people trying to help, and they're making the occasional mistake. Give them some time before you condemn them!

Why do you think Disney VMK was so tight-lipped about everything? It's because every time someone let something slip (like Sarah's comment about future pay-for-play programs) the rumour mill immediately started churning out conspiracy theories. If you appreciate how much harder Sarah and their team are working to keep us informed, please don't undermine their efforts by contributing to these outraged reactions when rumours start off supposition. At least wait until you actually hear what they're planning before you start lambasting them. :(

I'm sorry for those who don't agree or still suspect some ulterior motive, but all the evidence points to them being completely aboveboard volunteers out to try and make us happy. Yes, they plan to eventually make money off of it - hardly an evil motive considering they're family people just like us who are investing not only their time but their savings (or their credit) to get this off the ground. 8000 people on at once adds up to many thousands of $ in bandwidth and server expenses; one of the reasons Disney shut down VMK. I know many of you have no concept of the expense of such an undertaking, but I can guarantee that Disney was paying literally millions of dollars a year for VMK's operation. It's not as simple as some people seem to think.:badpc:

I'm sorry if anyone feels like this is a flame or a rant, but I'm getting really tired of all the angry posts I've been reading when there's nothing to be angry about. I imagine some of it is just misdirected from the pain we all feel at the loss of VMK, and I know safety of kids is a pretty major hot button. But if you look at what has actually happened so far, VFK has not done anything to make kids unsafe; most of what people are upset about is entirely based on wild guesses as to what the future might hold, or assigning ulteriour motives due to lack of knowledge. Let's just bring some objectivity to the discussion, okay?:love: :hippie: :)


amen blackfaer, thanks for taking the time to post exactly what i have been thinking but have been too lazy and aggravated to type, :rotfl: I havent been posting here lately because it seems like all the excitement of beta testing is gone (remember all the laughs the first couple of days?) and this thread had just become to negative for me :confused3 Heres hoping this will help bring the fun back into the testing ;)

[lindseysmomma]

yay I have my name!:cool1: I'm not a guest anymore!

I have to say, I think people are seriously over-reacting to nothing. Reading through the last several pages of posts, one person posted a vague mention of something said in passing, and by 2 pages later people were ready to sue the VFK people for false advertising, or at least give up on VFK entirely.

Right now, we've got a small group of people taking time out of their lives to try and create something to fill the void VMK has left. They're working like crazy to get this thing running and when you consider the timeline that a typical professional game company with dozens of employees work on for a game of this level of complexity, they're doing amazingly well. Remember that these people have no corporate backing, they're doing this in their free time.

Perhaps, hindsight being 20/20, it might have been better if they asked for Beta testers to be adults. But they had no idea of the numbers they would get or the problems they would run into. And considering that the whole point was making up for how bad everyone felt about VMK leaving, I hardly think it would have made them any friends if they had so done. Instead of people complaining about how the whole game is not kid-friendly (which quite frankly I don't see) we'd have people complaining that they don't let kids play.

Most of the complaints are about things that we're guessing at. We have post after post of people complaining about paying for parental controls, without anyone knowing the first thing as to what that might mean. A passing comment like that certainly doesn't mean they're going to make it unsafe for anyone who doesn't pay! We don't even know what that might mean! :confused3

We have people complaining about the lack of response, or the less-than-secure login - while these are reasonable concerns, again, this is BETA testing - not a finished game - and if you're concerned about those things, don't be a Beta tester. Wait for the game to be completed. Beta testing used to mean exactly what this is - not Alpha testing, as some have argued. Beta testing has for decades been a process of getting outside involvement in running through the programming to find bugs that the developers don't find because they don't think of the creative things people try or they don't have the software or hardware that causes conflicts. If you look at older games, Beta Testers get credits at the end, and there's usually just a few of them, like 5-20. They're usually required to sign non-disclosure agreements and have to promise to put in a certain number of hours to test out all the glitches. To expect full service and proper security at this point would be asking a lot of a typical company, let alone a group of programmers trying to do something in their spare time.

I love the people on this board, and there are many great comments and all, but I'm getting tired of so many posters looking at all the people with VMK and/or VFK as some horrible corporate evil monster that's out to get our children molested. One big concern is that they came on and ADVERTISED their plans on the forum, a clear violation of the rules! Looked at another way, a couple of people with a plan to ease our suffering by creating a replacement for VMK, who also happened to be members of this forum, came into the forum where their friends are and told us all about their plan so that we might be slightly less sad. How evil and horrible! They should be shot!:eek:

I guess all I'm saying is, cut them a little slack! This is not some sick plan to steal your children or your identity. This is a few good people trying to help, and they're making the occasional mistake. Give them some time before you condemn them!

Why do you think Disney VMK was so tight-lipped about everything? It's because every time someone let something slip (like Sarah's comment about future pay-for-play programs) the rumour mill immediately started churning out conspiracy theories. If you appreciate how much harder Sarah and their team are working to keep us informed, please don't undermine their efforts by contributing to these outraged reactions when rumours start off supposition. At least wait until you actually hear what they're planning before you start lambasting them. :(

I'm sorry for those who don't agree or still suspect some ulterior motive, but all the evidence points to them being completely aboveboard volunteers out to try and make us happy. Yes, they plan to eventually make money off of it - hardly an evil motive considering they're family people just like us who are investing not only their time but their savings (or their credit) to get this off the ground. 8000 people on at once adds up to many thousands of $ in bandwidth and server expenses; one of the reasons Disney shut down VMK. I know many of you have no concept of the expense of such an undertaking, but I can guarantee that Disney was paying literally millions of dollars a year for VMK's operation. It's not as simple as some people seem to think.:badpc:

I'm sorry if anyone feels like this is a flame or a rant, but I'm getting really tired of all the angry posts I've been reading when there's nothing to be angry about. I imagine some of it is just misdirected from the pain we all feel at the loss of VMK, and I know safety of kids is a pretty major hot button. But if you look at what has actually happened so far, VFK has not done anything to make kids unsafe; most of what people are upset about is entirely based on wild guesses as to what the future might hold, or assigning ulteriour motives due to lack of knowledge. Let's just bring some objectivity to the discussion, okay?:love: :hippie: :)

:thumbsup2

[SharkMeal]

VFK_Dragon said the Beta shirts will be in our inventory when Beta is over

She told me that too. She was in my backyard lol.

*hisses at everyone* my backyard!

[the_jedi_master]

I think beta should have been only Beta 1-3 at the most maybe 4.

[SharkMeal]

I think beta should have been only Beta 1-3 at the most maybe 4.

Yeah there are still too many people for the servers to handle even with there
4 day upgrade..

VFK just caused so much lag it froze my whole computer and i had to reboot.

[aengus]

I thought most of the complaints were derrived from

repeated broken promises
failure to respond to help calls
changing their position on pay to play
and a legitimate question they opened themselves up to of whether the final product is indeed a game for children/families

[swimmingneno]

a little to many shadows here:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2vi31ia.jpg

[Dreamytime]

I thought most of the complaints were derrived from

repeated broken promises
failure to respond to help calls
changing their position on pay to play
and a legitimate question they opened themselves up to of whether the final product is indeed a game for children/families

1) Promises: Everyone knows (and if you read back a couple pages you will read a nicely worded post about intentions) that we all have good intentions, yet sometimes those are unrealistic. I believe this is the case here...they want to give us everything we want and are asking hosts and begging through email. I believe that some of the things are just unrealistic, and apparently they are seeing that as well. Like today for example, they waited to open to do some more things to the product. They will probably take it down and tweak again sometime during the day.

2) Help Calls: over 15k in guest names...I am thinking that they have been inundated with help calls from real issues to when am I going to get my name, and where is my shirt and why can I log in but not so-in-so. Seems they are working not only on a budget of money but of people as well.

3) Pay-to-Play: The position has always been this..in the sign-up that we had from the beginning....even when we were going round and round and finally silenced about talking about the game at all. Hosts said 'no pay-to-play'. But these are the same hosts who were clueless that VMK was closing until they read the newsletter. Hosts are glorified players....just a rung or so above you and I.

4) Is it for family or not: According to their constitution and their website - yes. We (the royal 'we' as I have been silent) have been suppositioning all day long about their pay-to-play parental options because of a Host's response to a Dis Member. Like I said before, I truly think that in the scheme of things the Hosts are learning just like us and have limited knowledge beyond what we do. Mostly they are in game right now to make us feel comfortable and give us the homey feeling of VMK. Were they ready to open doors for business? Heck no. Not even close. But I know that when I got on VFK, after crying my eyes out all night because of the loss of my beloved game, that was the first moment of happiness I felt in a while.

I am verbose I know. My point is...be patient. Don't surmise, suppose, and (uh looking for another S word to finish my alliteration here....) suspect (muahaha I found one) until we get out of Beta.

If you are concerned about the kiddies, then lock up the thread. But we are doing Toons and Pirates which are both violent (and you CAN say a lot there, believe me, I play Pirates), GAIA which when I visited is not a kiddie friendly game, and other games...including sending us to a Beta testing site where there are tons of Mature games.

I love each and every one of you....:)... My Dis Family and the only forum I have coming to my mailbox. But gosh, I am SOooooooo tired of the negativism. Cut them some slack. I know I had to eat some crow from my questioning of whether they were legitimate. I was considering the thousands of dollars and man-hours that it takes to put together such a site. But they are doing it...investing THEIR time, THEIR money and THEIR man-hours.

Give them a chance and be positive...after all they don't have to do this...then where would we all be?

[aengus]

OK well patience doesn't cover the fact they have edited their prior updates yesterday on their website. Why would anyone edit previous date posts? thats kind of suspicious no? They edited posts from last week is what I mean, and this was done yesterday.

[goldengourd]

amen blackfaer, thanks for taking the time to post exactly what i have been thinking but have been too lazy and aggravated to type, :rotfl: I havent been posting here lately because it seems like all the excitement of beta testing is gone (remember all the laughs the first couple of days?) and this thread had just become to negative for me :confused3 Heres hoping this will help bring the fun back into the testing ;)

I agree. I haven't even been reading this thread for awhile because so much of it is Whining and Complaining. I just scanned through today to catch up. And because I miss all my friends. I will continue to follow VFK through its beta phase and just judge it on its own offerings. Not for what I lost from VMK's death. I will miss VMK. However, this other game might be fun and with friendship companionship. But it will never be VMK, and I WILL NOT continue to judge it as such, but rather judge it for what it is and might be someday. I guess I'm just a little further along on the grief process than some. I've accepted and moved on. Any more than I expect my current dog to be the same dog as I lost a few years ago, do I expect this game to be the same as the Disney Magic. VFK is still better than playing Spider Solitaire endlessly....

[Dreamytime]

OK well patience doesn't cover the fact they have edited their prior updates yesterday on their website. Why would anyone edit previous date posts? thats kind of suspicious no? They edited posts from last week is what I mean, and this was done yesterday.

I notice that they are not as 'girly' anymore...well....(no offense to any middle school girls reading this) but it doesn't sound like it is written by a 9th grade girl anymore. Personally I found the previous posts, prior to editing, were more suspicious than the ones now. You know what I am meaning. We tend to skip over the posts which are poorly worded, have misspellings and lack grammar. We banish the poster forever as uneducated and therefore uninformed. Or, conversely, in my own dealings with WDIG, I wondered how someone, who is getting thousands of dollars more than I will ever see in my yearly salary, could lack the writing skills of the 9th grade girl above. Spell-check anyone?

Do you believe the true intent of the posts has changed or just the vocabulary has been lifted from middle school level to something a business might like an investing/advertising company to see?

[aengus]

I notice that they are not as 'girly' anymore...well....(no offense to any girls reading this) but it doesn't sound like it is written by a 9th grade girl anymore. Personally I found the previous posts, prior to editing, were more suspicious than the ones now. You know what I am meaning. We tend to skip over the posts which are poorly worded, have misspellings and lack grammar. We banish the poster forever as uneducated and therefore uninformed. Or, conversely, in my own dealings with WDIG, I wondered how someone who is getting thousands of dollars more than I will ever see in my yearly salary could lack the writing skills of the 9th grade girl above. Spell-check anyone?

Do you believe the true intent of the posts have changed or just the vocabulary has been lifted from middle school level to something a business might like an investing, advertising company to see?

They removed all the information relating to what they were promising us and when they would deliver it.

[SkippyPaul]

I know everyone has tried to be patient with this game. But its just to many "iffy" things here. First theres the security issue. IMO younger peeps have no business in that game right now. And the ppl at VFK should have recognized that from the get go. The little bit Ive been in the game so far, everything is to sporatic. Lets work on connection issues for a few hours, then work on giving the girls new clothes, then lets run to staples for a new router and swing by walmart for another handful of beta tee's. Its drivin my add off the scale. So luckily Sweet and I got involved in another game because something Sara said last nite didnt sit well with me. And can someone answer WHY Sara seems so familiar to me. I know we know her. Idk who she is and its not important but something about her last nite seemed to familiar to me.
Hang in there I guess.

[Belle1997]

I think we understand this is beta (well alpha :) ) and they have run into complications that I do not believe are broken promises

They never changed their position in my view. I read the rules and what they are thinking it did state possible fees for enhanced stuff

I also do believe this will stay a free sight but you can purchase extra stuff. Most of the "Free" sites do this. And so did disney pirate pins anyone?

In park only quest sure left the people /families that could not effort the park passes for Disney out. But could still trade for the items. Why you think this can not work in VFK.

And yes the question about what parent controls will be there that are free versus the extra. As I put out suggestions of what enhanced features would be.

IE full chat log on what you child is saying on VFK. I have no idea. But I am sure many parents would like to know what there kids are really doing on this site.

But we know nothing is ever free really.

Yes they maybe should have waited to open it. I think it is fine what they did.

It made the transition less painful I think. I will not judge until I see the final product.

We are all making assumptions trying to read between the lines. I think we are actually too negative with really no backing behind it.

Yes the communications could be more thorough. But I would hate to be in their shoes right now.

If they did not open in time many would have said see it was a scam.

So they did open but not ready they are incompetent.

I figure they are darn if they do and darn with they don't.

I do not get it. I sat in the car ride home tonight and tried to talk out my feeling with my hubby. I guess I see them as the underdogs I always vote for the underdogs. Yes they started off on the wrong foot with many. Gee the person who has not be openlying been excited about a project or made decision based on their hearts not their heads and made some bad decisons. You have a special place in this world. Because I do believe we have all made these mistakes.

Nice thing about mistakes you can always work to never make them again. And make sure you try even harder to improve yourself.

I agree be cautious but are we not really starting rumours, creating concerns that might not even be their. Jumping to conclusions or trying to see all aspects which is really just guess work.

Maybe I am just too naive. I guess because I would never think of scamming someone I never think others are scamming me. (though I do know it exists)

I guess I believe in the goodwill of people first. I do believe these people are taking a big risk to get this to work.

I am sure their families have suffered. They see a need they are trying to create what is missing for us. If in the end they make money from it I see nothing wrong from that if it becomes the high quality game they are hoping for.

I really wish I could understand why so many negative thinkers. Where would be be if this was not even a possible option. I will take possible over nothing right now.

So my opinion is if this is a issue for you. Stay away and watch how it develops you have lost nothing. By waiting.


I remember a story about a man who bought up swamp land in florida with fake companies (or companies that really did not do anything) I guess when Walt was doing this he was scamming us all.

As for the kids who are not supervised that is a shame because there are alot more dangerous sites out there for them to get involved with.

On most forum boards we chat openly but we do not really know most of the people. We have no idea if a persons identity is real, I for one would never let my child partipate in any forum board without me watching their pms. I do believe Dis a safe site. Many safe guards are in place. Many adults look out for the kids we know do not have proper adult supervision. That is why I am proud to be a member of Dis.

I never thought about this but my hubby said about my Zeta gals. How do you really know they are all females. If you have not met all of them. I could not answer that. I said well you can tell but can we really?

I am just saying you can say this about most places on the net today. So when we look for things wrong we are bound to fine them in everything we do.

[snowgracefulstone]

They removed all the information relating to what they were promising us and when they would deliver it.

Just my opinion here but could that have something to do with the fact that they realized that the promises they were making were unrealistic?? and maybe something to do with the slamming they were taking on this board from that. To me, too many people are attempting to hold them to the same standards that we tried (and failed) to hold vmk too, vmk very often promised us something and didnt deliver on time or at all (can anyone say tcg?) and that was a three year old website from a well established company, this is a group of people who have never done this before who so far are only doing it to give us (vmk refugees) a place to hang out. Everyone needs to chill out and remember how to say "Thank You!!". If you find their motivation or methods suspicious, dont play! Its simple.

[sm4987]

yay I have my name!:cool1: I'm not a guest anymore!

I have to say, I think people are seriously over-reacting to nothing. Reading through the last several pages of posts, one person posted a vague mention of something said in passing, and by 2 pages later people were ready to sue the VFK people for false advertising, or at least give up on VFK entirely.

Right now, we've got a small group of people taking time out of their lives to try and create something to fill the void VMK has left. They're working like crazy to get this thing running and when you consider the timeline that a typical professional game company with dozens of employees work on for a game of this level of complexity, they're doing amazingly well. Remember that these people have no corporate backing, they're doing this in their free time.

Perhaps, hindsight being 20/20, it might have been better if they asked for Beta testers to be adults. But they had no idea of the numbers they would get or the problems they would run into. And considering that the whole point was making up for how bad everyone felt about VMK leaving, I hardly think it would have made them any friends if they had so done. Instead of people complaining about how the whole game is not kid-friendly (which quite frankly I don't see) we'd have people complaining that they don't let kids play.

Most of the complaints are about things that we're guessing at. We have post after post of people complaining about paying for parental controls, without anyone knowing the first thing as to what that might mean. A passing comment like that certainly doesn't mean they're going to make it unsafe for anyone who doesn't pay! We don't even know what that might mean! :confused3

We have people complaining about the lack of response, or the less-than-secure login - while these are reasonable concerns, again, this is BETA testing - not a finished game - and if you're concerned about those things, don't be a Beta tester. Wait for the game to be completed. Beta testing used to mean exactly what this is - not Alpha testing, as some have argued. Beta testing has for decades been a process of getting outside involvement in running through the programming to find bugs that the developers don't find because they don't think of the creative things people try or they don't have the software or hardware that causes conflicts. If you look at older games, Beta Testers get credits at the end, and there's usually just a few of them, like 5-20. They're usually required to sign non-disclosure agreements and have to promise to put in a certain number of hours to test out all the glitches. To expect full service and proper security at this point would be asking a lot of a typical company, let alone a group of programmers trying to do something in their spare time.

I love the people on this board, and there are many great comments and all, but I'm getting tired of so many posters looking at all the people with VMK and/or VFK as some horrible corporate evil monster that's out to get our children molested. One big concern is that they came on and ADVERTISED their plans on the forum, a clear violation of the rules! Looked at another way, a couple of people with a plan to ease our suffering by creating a replacement for VMK, who also happened to be members of this forum, came into the forum where their friends are and told us all about their plan so that we might be slightly less sad. How evil and horrible! They should be shot!:eek:

I guess all I'm saying is, cut them a little slack! This is not some sick plan to steal your children or your identity. This is a few good people trying to help, and they're making the occasional mistake. Give them some time before you condemn them!

Why do you think Disney VMK was so tight-lipped about everything? It's because every time someone let something slip (like Sarah's comment about future pay-for-play programs) the rumour mill immediately started churning out conspiracy theories. If you appreciate how much harder Sarah and their team are working to keep us informed, please don't undermine their efforts by contributing to these outraged reactions when rumours start off supposition. At least wait until you actually hear what they're planning before you start lambasting them. :(

I'm sorry for those who don't agree or still suspect some ulterior motive, but all the evidence points to them being completely aboveboard volunteers out to try and make us happy. Yes, they plan to eventually make money off of it - hardly an evil motive considering they're family people just like us who are investing not only their time but their savings (or their credit) to get this off the ground. 8000 people on at once adds up to many thousands of $ in bandwidth and server expenses; one of the reasons Disney shut down VMK. I know many of you have no concept of the expense of such an undertaking, but I can guarantee that Disney was paying literally millions of dollars a year for VMK's operation. It's not as simple as some people seem to think.:badpc:

I'm sorry if anyone feels like this is a flame or a rant, but I'm getting really tired of all the angry posts I've been reading when there's nothing to be angry about. I imagine some of it is just misdirected from the pain we all feel at the loss of VMK, and I know safety of kids is a pretty major hot button. But if you look at what has actually happened so far, VFK has not done anything to make kids unsafe; most of what people are upset about is entirely based on wild guesses as to what the future might hold, or assigning ulteriour motives due to lack of knowledge. Let's just bring some objectivity to the discussion, okay?:love: :hippie: :)


I totally agree with you here! Well said! I stopped coming over to the vmk boards of the dis because of all the negativity. I don't think I'd be here today if I weren't looking for my friends!

[aengus]

Just my opinion here but could that have something to do with the fact that they realized that the promises they were making were unrealistic?? and maybe something to do with the slamming they were taking on this board from that. To me, too many people are attempting to hold them to the same standards that we tried (and failed) to hold vmk too, vmk very often promised us something and didnt deliver on time or at all (can anyone say tcg?) and that was a three year old website from a well established company, this is a group of people who have never done this before who so far are only doing it to give us (vmk refugees) a place to hang out. Everyone needs to chill out and remember how to say "Thank You!!". If you find their motivation or methods suspicious, dont play! Its simple.

the past? Why change the past, they are re-writing history in a game based on history? @_@

All they had to do is make one post that says, hey, Things have not been going smoothly as we would have liked. Instead they edited the entire website. Thats just dishonest.

[snowgracefulstone]

the past? Why change the past, they are re-writing history in a game based on history? @_@

All they had to do is make one post that says, hey, Things have not been going smoothly as we would have liked. Instead they edited the entire website. Thats just dishonest.

you are entitled to your opinion, as am i. I feel way too much is being read into this and like i said in a previous post, if it makes you feel uncomfortable, dont play. I will continue to meet up with old and new friends on there, because i appreciate what they are trying to do for us, and find the whole experience of beta testing amusing (bugs and missed deadlines included). I refuse to go through life judging people on things that dont really matter in the grand scheme of life. I will always trust people till they give me a reason not too, and so far, they havent.

[aengus]

I have not been playing. :)

[snowgracefulstone]

I have not been playing. :)

problem solved then, u will not fall victim to whatever "master plan" they are cooking up :)

[aengus]

Problem is I have to read all these posts. So I still have to worry about it.

[disvaclub92]

They released the game as promised, even tho they knew they were nowhere near ready. Why did they do that, to capture the audience who cant accept the fact that there is no other VMK. That is what bothers me the most.

[snowgracefulstone]

They released the game as promised, even tho they knew they were nowhere near ready. Why did they do that, to capture the audience who cant accept the fact that there is no other VMK. That is what bothers me the most.

I cant answer that, noone can but them. The only thing i can say, is that when i woke the day after vmk closed, i was devastated, yes i am still upset about it, but i do have to say, that having vfk to go to...helped. I know it will never be vmk, but it can still be something fun and exciting. It really helped to have somewhere to go and meet up with people (even if we didnt know at the time if they were old or new friends) and with all the silly bugs going on, i was able to laugh and that felt good. They did open before they were ready, but i for one was thankful they opened the day after, it immediately gave me and others something to take our mind off vmk. Another point i want to make, their are a lot of people on this board who have very personal relationships with the old vmk hosts and other staff members, do you all honestly feel they would be involved in something that they didnt feel was fundamentally good and could work for us? I dont, I have more faith in them than that

[aengus]

I cant answer that, noone can but them. The only thing i can say, is that when i woke the day after vmk closed, i was devastated, yes i am still upset about it, but i do have to say, that having vfk to go to...helped. I know it will never be vmk, but it can still be something fun and exciting. It really helped to have somewhere to go and meet up with people (even if we didnt know at the time if they were old or new friends) and with all the silly bugs going on, i was able to laugh and that felt good. They did open before they were ready, but i for one was thankful they opened the day after, it immediately gave me and others something to take our mind off vmk. Another point i want to make, their are a lot of people on this board who have very personal relationships with the old vmk hosts and other staff members, do you all honestly feel they would be involved in something that they didnt feel was fundamentally good and could work for us? I dont, I have more faith in them than that

I would like to say, I honestly do respect your opinion. It's welcome here, and I even want to hear it. The negative opinions are valid as well was my main point.

[snowgracefulstone]

I would like to say, I honestly do respect your opinion. It's welcome here, and I even want to hear it. The negative opinions are valid as well was my main point.

Ok, so we will agree to disagree ;)
Aww..aengus, we had our first fight :rotfl2: :hug:

[Disneychick74]

yay I have my name!:cool1: I'm not a guest anymore!

I have to say, I think people are seriously over-reacting to nothing. Reading through the last several pages of posts, one person posted a vague mention of something said in passing, and by 2 pages later people were ready to sue the VFK people for false advertising, or at least give up on VFK entirely.

Right now, we've got a small group of people taking time out of their lives to try and create something to fill the void VMK has left. They're working like crazy to get this thing running and when you consider the timeline that a typical professional game company with dozens of employees work on for a game of this level of complexity, they're doing amazingly well. Remember that these people have no corporate backing, they're doing this in their free time.

Perhaps, hindsight being 20/20, it might have been better if they asked for Beta testers to be adults. But they had no idea of the numbers they would get or the problems they would run into. And considering that the whole point was making up for how bad everyone felt about VMK leaving, I hardly think it would have made them any friends if they had so done. Instead of people complaining about how the whole game is not kid-friendly (which quite frankly I don't see) we'd have people complaining that they don't let kids play.

Most of the complaints are about things that we're guessing at. We have post after post of people complaining about paying for parental controls, without anyone knowing the first thing as to what that might mean. A passing comment like that certainly doesn't mean they're going to make it unsafe for anyone who doesn't pay! We don't even know what that might mean! :confused3

We have people complaining about the lack of response, or the less-than-secure login - while these are reasonable concerns, again, this is BETA testing - not a finished game - and if you're concerned about those things, don't be a Beta tester. Wait for the game to be completed. Beta testing used to mean exactly what this is - not Alpha testing, as some have argued. Beta testing has for decades been a process of getting outside involvement in running through the programming to find bugs that the developers don't find because they don't think of the creative things people try or they don't have the software or hardware that causes conflicts. If you look at older games, Beta Testers get credits at the end, and there's usually just a few of them, like 5-20. They're usually required to sign non-disclosure agreements and have to promise to put in a certain number of hours to test out all the glitches. To expect full service and proper security at this point would be asking a lot of a typical company, let alone a group of programmers trying to do something in their spare time.

I love the people on this board, and there are many great comments and all, but I'm getting tired of so many posters looking at all the people with VMK and/or VFK as some horrible corporate evil monster that's out to get our children molested. One big concern is that they came on and ADVERTISED their plans on the forum, a clear violation of the rules! Looked at another way, a couple of people with a plan to ease our suffering by creating a replacement for VMK, who also happened to be members of this forum, came into the forum where their friends are and told us all about their plan so that we might be slightly less sad. How evil and horrible! They should be shot!:eek:

I guess all I'm saying is, cut them a little slack! This is not some sick plan to steal your children or your identity. This is a few good people trying to help, and they're making the occasional mistake. Give them some time before you condemn them!

Why do you think Disney VMK was so tight-lipped about everything? It's because every time someone let something slip (like Sarah's comment about future pay-for-play programs) the rumour mill immediately started churning out conspiracy theories. If you appreciate how much harder Sarah and their team are working to keep us informed, please don't undermine their efforts by contributing to these outraged reactions when rumours start off supposition. At least wait until you actually hear what they're planning before you start lambasting them. :(

I'm sorry for those who don't agree or still suspect some ulterior motive, but all the evidence points to them being completely aboveboard volunteers out to try and make us happy. Yes, they plan to eventually make money off of it - hardly an evil motive considering they're family people just like us who are investing not only their time but their savings (or their credit) to get this off the ground. 8000 people on at once adds up to many thousands of $ in bandwidth and server expenses; one of the reasons Disney shut down VMK. I know many of you have no concept of the expense of such an undertaking, but I can guarantee that Disney was paying literally millions of dollars a year for VMK's operation. It's not as simple as some people seem to think.:badpc:

I'm sorry if anyone feels like this is a flame or a rant, but I'm getting really tired of all the angry posts I've been reading when there's nothing to be angry about. I imagine some of it is just misdirected from the pain we all feel at the loss of VMK, and I know safety of kids is a pretty major hot button. But if you look at what has actually happened so far, VFK has not done anything to make kids unsafe; most of what people are upset about is entirely based on wild guesses as to what the future might hold, or assigning ulteriour motives due to lack of knowledge. Let's just bring some objectivity to the discussion, okay?:love: :hippie: :)

Well said :)

And just for the record VFK's TOS has said it will eventually be pay to play with a forever free game also since the very first day the site went up, That was the first thing Doc and I looked for. So Yes, it is free, but just like every other game in the universe that is NOT VMK...you will have to have a subscription for special things.
I think the people with pitchforks and torches need to stand down a little and see how it all pans out, Nobdy is forcing ANYONE to take part in the Beta, and noone is going to FORCE you to pay when the time comes. I see no need to flame the site.

[disvaclub92]

My heart has always been with the kids in the game. I personally loved to give to others. I have logged on to VFK. It is dissappointing, all I see are kids and some adults who are trying to relive what VMK Beta was. They have discussed how they are going to get rich, how they are going to be this or that. So unfortunately to alot of people, they do feel this is the new VMK. This is where they are going to become the person that they tried to become in VMK. It just saddens me, I hope they do get their dreams but honestly think that they should move on and try to be themselves not someone they want to be. That is why I made the comment above.

[WWEDUDE]

To be fair I can think of many ways VMK has compared to the things VFK are doing, for example:
In the second to last Yavn Speak's Yavn said "there will be a way to see your VMK friends in other Disney Game's and know they are from VMK", shortly after this way removed, a broken promise and editing.

[aengus]

Ok, so we will agree to disagree ;)
Aww..aengus, we had our first fight :rotfl2: :hug:

btw sorry but I reported you!!!

Well said :)

And just for the record VFK's TOS has said it will eventually be pay to play with a forever free game also since the very first day the site went up, That was the first thing Doc and I looked for. So Yes, it is free, but just like every other game in the universe that is NOT VMK...you will have to have a subscription for special things.
I think the people with pitchforks and torches need to stand down a little and see how it all pans out, Nobdy is forcing ANYONE to take part in the Beta, and noone is going to FORCE you to pay when the time comes. I see no need to flame the site.

I actually agree with this, I never have a problem with this, I would DEFINITELY like to see clarification from the conversation with Sarah last night tho. The TOS were always that way, and if its a surprise to anyone they should have read them.

ETA: Dude, they updated the current yavn speaks (at the time) The case I am talking about, last night they made several edits to their past submissions.

[snowgracefulstone]

btw sorry but I reported you!!!



I actually agree with this, I never have a problem with this, I would DEFINITELY like to see clarification from the conversation with Sarah last night tho. The TOS were always that way, and if its a surprise to anyone they should have read them.

ETA: Dude, they updated the current yavn speaks (at the time) The case I am talking about, last night they made several edits to their past submissions.

you reported me? sorry still new to the boards, what exactly does this mean?

[Belle1997]

Well from all I see half the board sees the glass half empty - half see it as half full. Both are right. And until the air evaportes the water of it rains into the cup neither side will see eye to eye.

Even with the closing of VMK some did not even try to help because they did not see it as a bad decision. Others were heart broken with tears.

And thus makes the world turn. If we could always understand the other persons point of view there would be no wars, no poor people and no loneliness, no fear no thrill of sucess. In fact the world would be kinda boring :)

I for one am a dreamer of all things are possible. If I chose to listen to all the negative reminders of all the bad things that have happened in my life or fear of what could happen. I would be a bitter lonely person.

Thus I will always see the glass half full :)

[aengus]

you reported me? sorry still new to the boards, what exactly does this mean?

heh, I was teasing, like I hit the call for help button and host fin will be looking for you :rotfl:

[snowgracefulstone]

heh, I was teasing, like I hit the call for help button and host fin will be looking for you :rotfl:

thats what i was hoping u meant, lol. and she has to find me first :lmao:

[BlueSneakerGal]

heh, I was teasing, like I hit the call for help button and host fin will be looking for you :rotfl:

Speaking of Fin.... I saw her for the first time tonight!!! W00T!!!!! Got my first VFK hug. :hug:

[aengus]

Speaking of Fin.... I saw her for the first time tonight!!! W00T!!!!! Got my first VFK hug. :hug:


no offense but i think she faked it @_@



:rotfl: ok ok I am going away for a while... you all have fun in there and give fin a hug for me too :)

[BlueSneakerGal]

no offense but i think she faked it @_@

http://images19.fotki.com/v353/photos/6/64353/3441401/razz-vi.gif



:rotfl: ok ok I am going away for a while... you all have fun in there and give fin a hug for me too :)

http://images19.fotki.com/v36/photos/6/64353/3441401/wave-vi.gif

[poohluv2u]

My heart has always been with the kids in the game. I personally loved to give to others. I have logged on to VFK. It is dissappointing, all I see are kids and some adults who are trying to relive what VMK Beta was. They have discussed how they are going to get rich, how they are going to be this or that. So unfortunately to alot of people, they do feel this is the new VMK. This is where they are going to become the person that they tried to become in VMK. It just saddens me, I hope they do get their dreams but honestly think that they should move on and try to be themselves not someone they want to be. That is why I made the comment above.

I agree with you Dis, I have heard .. well seen .. talk of how they like that this is a new start, and everyone is equal, and how that is fair. Eventually though when the game moves on, there will be new players in another year who don't have what the beta players have. So.. it will all be exactly like VMK with the haves and the have nots .. it's just all par for the course .. both in real life and virtual!

[Cardinal]

1) Promises: Everyone knows (and if you read back a couple pages you will read a nicely worded post about intentions) that we all have good intentions, yet sometimes those are unrealistic. I believe this is the case here...they want to give us everything we want and are asking hosts and begging through email. I believe that some of the things are just unrealistic, and apparently they are seeing that as well. Like today for example, they waited to open to do some more things to the product. They will probably take it down and tweak again sometime during the day.

After all these letdowns, how long will it be before they decide that operating such a massive virtual world is unrealistic?

2) Help Calls: over 15k in guest names...I am thinking that they have been inundated with help calls from real issues to when am I going to get my name, and where is my shirt and why can I log in but not so-in-so. Seems they are working not only on a budget of money but of people as well.

I think of it this way: VFK let those 15K guests in. It was their choice to inundate themselves with guests by opening a game that's simply not ready for such heavy testing. If the creators of VFK were so concerned about making a good game, they would not be so quick to grab the coattails of WDIG. Releasing a full beta (that actually had more than the fraction of functionality the players enjoy now) would have been more productive for them and more enjoyable for us in the long run.

If you are concerned about the kiddies, then lock up the thread. But we are doing Toons and Pirates which are both violent (and you CAN say a lot there, believe me, I play Pirates), GAIA which when I visited is not a kiddie friendly game, and other games...including sending us to a Beta testing site where there are tons of Mature games.

Toontown.... VIOLENT? :lmao:
Here's where you are going to lose your following. There are too many things wrong with this paragraph; it is too easy to poke holes into your reasoning here.

Sorry, Dreamytime. I'm afraid that I might *gulp* be agreeing with Aengus.

[bluecruiser]

Problem is I have to read all these posts. So I still have to worry about it.

That's why you get paid the big bucks aengus. :rotfl:
Well ... that and the prestige! :laughing:

[Mintz]

Whenever I log in and click on my friends list, it's always empty and doesn't show my friends. I added more people today and refreshed the page and went back in and my list got empty again. Anyone have this problem? Is it a bug and will my friends come back on the list?

[poohluv2u]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n236/poohluver2/DISboards014.jpg

Oh no! As my mother would say .. there's many a slip between cup and lip :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Was that a typing error Blue?

[tofubeast]

Let's resume to the funny bugs that make us laugh. I saw some small people earlier...but not this small!! :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :lmao: :lmao:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/dtmeyer/vfk/small.jpg

[punkskateboarder]

im in the wating list as punkskateboarder!

[IliketheTitanic]

Let's resume to the funny bugs that make us laugh. I saw some small people earlier...but not this small!! :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :lmao: :lmao:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/dtmeyer/vfk/small.jpg

Quick get the "eat me" cookie! :scared:

[wdwdreamin]

I saw someone that small too!! Every time the person spoke I kept imagining this teeny tiny little voice! :lmao:

[BlueSneakerGal]

Oh no! As my mother would say .. there's many a slip between cup and lip :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Was that a typing error Blue?

:blush:

edited

:blush:

[BlueSneakerGal]

Whenever I log in and click on my friends list, it's always empty and doesn't show my friends. I added more people today and refreshed the page and went back in and my list got empty again. Anyone have this problem? Is it a bug and will my friends come back on the list?

It is a bug. My friend list has not come back, but others in game have told me that their's had... so I guess it's hit or miss.

[lizbeth374]

yay I have my name!:cool1: I'm not a guest anymore!

I have to say, I think people are seriously over-reacting to nothing. Reading through the last several pages of posts, one person posted a vague mention of something said in passing, and by 2 pages later people were ready to sue the VFK people for false advertising, or at least give up on VFK entirely.

Right now, we've got a small group of people taking time out of their lives to try and create something to fill the void VMK has left. They're working like crazy to get this thing running and when you consider the timeline that a typical professional game company with dozens of employees work on for a game of this level of complexity, they're doing amazingly well. Remember that these people have no corporate backing, they're doing this in their free time.

Perhaps, hindsight being 20/20, it might have been better if they asked for Beta testers to be adults. But they had no idea of the numbers they would get or the problems they would run into. And considering that the whole point was making up for how bad everyone felt about VMK leaving, I hardly think it would have made them any friends if they had so done. Instead of people complaining about how the whole game is not kid-friendly (which quite frankly I don't see) we'd have people complaining that they don't let kids play.

Most of the complaints are about things that we're guessing at. We have post after post of people complaining about paying for parental controls, without anyone knowing the first thing as to what that might mean. A passing comment like that certainly doesn't mean they're going to make it unsafe for anyone who doesn't pay! We don't even know what that might mean! :confused3

We have people complaining about the lack of response, or the less-than-secure login - while these are reasonable concerns, again, this is BETA testing - not a finished game - and if you're concerned about those things, don't be a Beta tester. Wait for the game to be completed. Beta testing used to mean exactly what this is - not Alpha testing, as some have argued. Beta testing has for decades been a process of getting outside involvement in running through the programming to find bugs that the developers don't find because they don't think of the creative things people try or they don't have the software or hardware that causes conflicts. If you look at older games, Beta Testers get credits at the end, and there's usually just a few of them, like 5-20. They're usually required to sign non-disclosure agreements and have to promise to put in a certain number of hours to test out all the glitches. To expect full service and proper security at this point would be asking a lot of a typical company, let alone a group of programmers trying to do something in their spare time.

I love the people on this board, and there are many great comments and all, but I'm getting tired of so many posters looking at all the people with VMK and/or VFK as some horrible corporate evil monster that's out to get our children molested. One big concern is that they came on and ADVERTISED their plans on the forum, a clear violation of the rules! Looked at another way, a couple of people with a plan to ease our suffering by creating a replacement for VMK, who also happened to be members of this forum, came into the forum where their friends are and told us all about their plan so that we might be slightly less sad. How evil and horrible! They should be shot!:eek:

I guess all I'm saying is, cut them a little slack! This is not some sick plan to steal your children or your identity. This is a few good people trying to help, and they're making the occasional mistake. Give them some time before you condemn them!

Why do you think Disney VMK was so tight-lipped about everything? It's because every time someone let something slip (like Sarah's comment about future pay-for-play programs) the rumour mill immediately started churning out conspiracy theories. If you appreciate how much harder Sarah and their team are working to keep us informed, please don't undermine their efforts by contributing to these outraged reactions when rumours start off supposition. At least wait until you actually hear what they're planning before you start lambasting them. :(

I'm sorry for those who don't agree or still suspect some ulterior motive, but all the evidence points to them being completely aboveboard volunteers out to try and make us happy. Yes, they plan to eventually make money off of it - hardly an evil motive considering they're family people just like us who are investing not only their time but their savings (or their credit) to get this off the ground. 8000 people on at once adds up to many thousands of $ in bandwidth and server expenses; one of the reasons Disney shut down VMK. I know many of you have no concept of the expense of such an undertaking, but I can guarantee that Disney was paying literally millions of dollars a year for VMK's operation. It's not as simple as some people seem to think.:badpc:

I'm sorry if anyone feels like this is a flame or a rant, but I'm getting really tired of all the angry posts I've been reading when there's nothing to be angry about. I imagine some of it is just misdirected from the pain we all feel at the loss of VMK, and I know safety of kids is a pretty major hot button. But if you look at what has actually happened so far, VFK has not done anything to make kids unsafe; most of what people are upset about is entirely based on wild guesses as to what the future might hold, or assigning ulteriour motives due to lack of knowledge. Let's just bring some objectivity to the discussion, okay?:love: :hippie: :)


well said!! BTW hey!! :hyper: :wave2:

[.beartraker.]

Hey I'm Just Glad it's Up And Running :badpc: Just Want The Mini-games Up And Running :surfweb:

[IliketheTitanic]

This reminds me of the old saying, "Rome was not built in one day" ;)

[cyre]

woot so my friend list started working tonight and everyone (i think) i'd added in the last few days was still there!! Yay!!

[JulyGirl]

I've stopped playing this game until it truly seems operational. Their biggest mistake is allowing too many people to register and log in. Look back at the VMK Beta pics. There were usually 600-700 people logged in at a time and they still had technical issues. When this game was first announced, I was under the impression that Beta 1 was different than Beta 5. It appeared that they would open with Beta 1 people and gradually allow the next tier to register. Well, that obviously did not happen. I signed up the first day they announced it. My friend signed up on May 19 (which was referred to as Beta 5). We both were able to register and log in on May 22. That simply makes no sense to me.

[TinkPinkPoem]

I for one am not happy about the ability to losen up the chat. What is it that us parents are worried about anyway? It not that our kids find a friend their own age thousands of miles away and tell them how to contact them on their instant messanger. Really what we are worried about is the predators out there, that we know for sure, are out there lurking about in these games trying to lure our kids into harms way.

Also we are trying to promote a ideal of personal information is not to be shared at any cost, between anyone at anytime by our kids. If kids see people with the freedom to do this they will want this for themselves and then, poof, there goes the ideal situation out the window.

For me the perfect situation would be a seperate space or place where adults only were allowed. Where we could sit at our machines and chat with other adults and have a drink and talk about adult things. In the game however all chat should be limited to kid appropriate conversations period. IMHO

I am in no way a supporter of the ability to losen up the chat.

I think that was clear in my post, guess not, so I repeat it.

I was just trying to understand how they could make it work the way they want to.

[DaffyPluto]

I am in no way a supporter of the ability to losen up the chat.

I think that was clear in my post, guess not, so I repeat it.

I was just trying to understand how they could make it work the way they want to.

Oh I posted that basically agreeing with you Tink. Unless they can make sure kids cant see the adult vocab at all i dont think it should be available, that is all i was getting

[TinkPinkPoem]

Oh I posted that basically agreeing with you Tink. Unless they can make sure kids cant see the adult vocab at all i dont think it should be available, that is all i was getting

Oh it was a confusion then!

We agree:thumbsup2

[WDWLIGHTNINGZ]

Finding alot of Dis'ers today! :)

[Aunt Cawa]

the past? Why change the past, they are re-writing history in a game based on history? @_@

All they had to do is make one post that says, hey, Things have not been going smoothly as we would have liked. Instead they edited the entire website. Thats just dishonest.

Aengus my friend,

I hate to be the one to break this to you but rewriting history is what keeps historians in business. :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

[Mintz]

It is a bug. My friend list has not come back, but others in game have told me that their's had... so I guess it's hit or miss.

Oh. Well hopefully our lists will come back sometime or later!

[wdwdreamin]

When I logged on today my friends list from yesterday was still there. And I didn't notice any "ghosts" today--people would appear as soon as I walked into a room!! There was still a lot of lag though.

[Belle1997]

Yup it is amazing how so many American I have met do not know that the Canadians burnt down your white house. Well it was actually the British loyalists that became Canadian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

Or how the Amercians tried to take over Canada well twice and lost :) Here is one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord

See history is a funny thing by not teaching it many do not know it happened. Now many would say this does not change history if it is just not mentioned. But it does because. Rewriting it or not mentioning history it is the same to me.

[cteddiesgirl]

Yup it is amazing how so many American I have met do not know that the Canadians burnt down your white house. Well it was actually the British loyalists that became Canadian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

Or how the Amercians tried to take over Canada well twice and lost :) Here is one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord

See history is a funny thing by not teaching it many do not know it happened. Now many would say this does not change history if it is just not mentioned. But it does because. Rewriting it or not mentioning history it is the same to me.

Yep. History is always written by the winners and to the writer's point of view.
Which is why history taught in one country is different from what's taught elsewhere.

[Belle1997]

Yup my point exactly :) see history is in the eye of the beholder. And what is the in thing I think. I never knew Laura Second was so important just thought she made good chocolates. But not until there was an out cry of our lack of Canadian Identity that we started to get PSA and wow Laura Secord was a real person.

So is history ever really acturate even historians differ on the same facts.
History will continued to be rewritten over and over again.

[aengus]

:confused3 are you all saying its ok for them to change the history of their website?

and no I am not fighting today ROFL, I have to finish this book @_@

I am happy to hear that you are all encountering few issues today.

Hopefully they can now move the priority to the calling for help situation now, I really think thats important, you cant call it a family friendly site without that in place.

yes yes back to my book :rotfl:

[Belle1997]

:confused3 are you all saying its ok for them to change the history of their website?

and no I am not fighting today ROFL, I have to finish this book @_@

I am happy to hear that you are all encountering few issues today.

Hopefully they can now move the priority to the calling for help situation now, I really think thats important, you cant call it a family friendly site without that in place.

yes yes back to my book :rotfl:

What Anegus you did not like our history lesson on the fact that history is never really true. And that historians go back on what has been written for say decades and go back and change it like it was always that way.

:) I am sure if we look really hard in some of the history books we will find a little foot note. But who takes the time to read those :rotfl:

Big hugs to you Big A. No I think is is strange they did change it does not effect us either way. But in the big scale of things does not change my view of them yet :)

[aengus]

You cant change history, you can only change the perception of it

Unless you all made a "way back machine" I dont know about @_@

really going now.

[Belle1997]

lets see defination of history :)

A learning or knowing by inquiry; the knowledge of facts and events, so obtained; hence, a formal statement of such information; a narrative; a description; a written record; as, the history of a patient's case; the history of a legislative bill.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A systematic, written account of events, particularly of those affecting a nation, institution, science, or art, and usually connected with a philosophical explanation of their causes; a true story, as distinguished from a romance; -- distinguished also from annals, which relate simply the facts and events of each year, in strict chronological order; from biography, which is the record of an individual's life; and from memoir, which is history composed from personal experience, observation, and memory.

Sounds like history if not written in point form by the second account could be mostly perception.

Reminds me of 4 people seeing an car accident happen and each sees a different colour car, or different people involved. They have even proven in stressful situations eye witness accounts are half the time inaccurate :)

But to those people their history of the event (thus perception) is accurate. Because once it has happened it is history. :goodvibes

Well back to our regularly scheduled complaining of what VFK is doing wrong now in our perceptions :lmao:

[IliketheTitanic]

They really should have a page devoted to Downtime and Server Status, and maybe include an estimated time of which the game will be up again, but at the top say: "all times are only estimated, some downtimes may take longer then expected" or something along those lines.

[KrazyPete]

Yup it is amazing how so many American I have met do not know that the Canadians burnt down your white house. Well it was actually the British loyalists that became Canadian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

Or how the Amercians tried to take over Canada well twice and lost :) Here is one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Secord

See history is a funny thing by not teaching it many do not know it happened. Now many would say this does not change history if it is just not mentioned. But it does because. Rewriting it or not mentioning history it is the same to me.

We only wanted Canada to *think* we were attacking them. It was just to keep you guys on your toes, eh?

[WWEDUDE]

We only wanted Canada to *think* we were attacking them. It was just to keep you guys on your toes, eh?

:rotfl:

[Belle1997]

We only wanted Canada to *think* we were attacking them. It was just to keep you guys on your toes, eh?


:lmao:or we do not mention this because Canada Canada is know first as peace keeper not much as soldiers. We had to have the kindness of our US friends to give us uniforms. Since we showed up in the desert in our kaki greens not much camoflage there :rotfl2: Oh and lets not forget we buy everyones used machines helecopters and submarines. Sounds like our nation is not much of a fighting force.

[tolkien7]

I've stopped playing this game until it truly seems operational. Their biggest mistake is allowing too many people to register and log in. Look back at the VMK Beta pics. There were usually 600-700 people logged in at a time and they still had technical issues. When this game was first announced, I was under the impression that Beta 1 was different than Beta 5. It appeared that they would open with Beta 1 people and gradually allow the next tier to register. Well, that obviously did not happen. I signed up the first day they announced it. My friend signed up on May 19 (which was referred to as Beta 5). We both were able to register and log in on May 22. That simply makes no sense to me.

I am in the Beta 5 group and have not been able to register. It's kind of depressing reading the thread and everyone's excitement about VFK - I feel left out.

[pixiewytch]

Don't feel bad because you really aren't missing much. So far I can move my character around and finally see people and chat if I want to but that's really about it. There isn't anything else to do. In fact, since I joined Gaia I haven't been visiting vfk much at all....

I'm not trying to be a downer at all because these things take time and I'm sure it will be fabulous but for now, there just isn't much point to going over there for me.

[poohluv2u]

I am in the Beta 5 group and have not been able to register. It's kind of depressing reading the thread and everyone's excitement about VFK - I feel left out.

I am in Beta 5 group too, and haven't had any problems. Are you using the name you pre-registered with? Where does the problem begin .. maybe we can help you :hug:

[poohluv2u]

yes yes back to my book :rotfl:

Inquiring minds want to know .. what is the name of this book, that has so captured your interest ;)

[OneLittleSpark]

Woot! Fin has named a whole rock in Stone Henge after me! It is now Soup Rock :rotfl:

[sandwich_boy]

sorry if this has already been posted. But I found a "cloning bug" where you can clone yourself :D

When you log in for the first time of your session, go to the "backyard" thing.
then as it's loading, click the home button. there you are, at home. then when that's done loading, there's two of you!
have fun with it ;)

lol

[lindseysmomma]

Angus are you on VFK at all?

If it is not you there is someone on there pretending to be you.

[poohluv2u]

Angus are you on VFK at all?

If it is not you there is someone on there pretending to be you.

I asked that guy if he was Dis? He said "Dis what?" :laughing:

[poohluv2u]

Sorry I missed you Bug .. I was afk :sad:

[Cardinal]

I forgot my password. Is there a way to get it back?

[JulyGirl]

I am in the Beta 5 group and have not been able to register. It's kind of depressing reading the thread and everyone's excitement about VFK - I feel left out.

Aww, sorry to hear that. My friend managed to log in on May 22. Did you try to log in on the first couple of days? I can't imagine why he would get in and others can't.

[SharkMeal]

sorry if this has already been posted. But I found a "cloning bug" where you can clone yourself :D

When you log in for the first time of your session, go to the "backyard" thing.
then as it's loading, click the home button. there you are, at home. then when that's done loading, there's two of you!
have fun with it ;)

lol

Ha! Neat!

http://i28.tinypic.com/5y6ag5.png

[tolkien7]

Aww, sorry to hear that. My friend managed to log in on May 22. Did you try to log in on the first couple of days? I can't imagine why he would get in and others can't.

Yeah, I try every day. I just can't get in. It's probably for the best, as it seems the kingdom is a bit crowded now.

[poohluv2u]

I forgot my password. Is there a way to get it back?

I guess you could email them, but they seem to be back logged in that area. Keep trying different passwords, and maybe you'll remember it.

[snshine123]

VFK-Cricket just came into the room we were in and told us that there would be a competition coming soon with cool prizes and to watch the home page for the information! Didn't say what or when but did say there would be different competitons with differenet prizes each day and different themes each moon! Asked us all to spread the word. Consider it spread Cricket and thanks!:yay:

[aengus]

lets see defination of history :)

A learning or knowing by inquiry; the knowledge of facts and events, so obtained; hence, a formal statement of such information; a narrative; a description; a written record; as, the history of a patient's case; the history of a legislative bill.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A systematic, written account of events, particularly of those affecting a nation, institution, science, or art, and usually connected with a philosophical explanation of their causes; a true story, as distinguished from a romance; -- distinguished also from annals, which relate simply the facts and events of each year, in strict chronological order; from biography, which is the record of an individual's life; and from memoir, which is history composed from personal experience, observation, and memory.

Sounds like history if not written in point form by the second account could be mostly perception.

Reminds me of 4 people seeing an car accident happen and each sees a different colour car, or different people involved. They have even proven in stressful situations eye witness accounts are half the time inaccurate :)

But to those people their history of the event (thus perception) is accurate. Because once it has happened it is history. :goodvibes

Well back to our regularly scheduled complaining of what VFK is doing wrong now in our perceptions :lmao:

Your picking and choosing your definition of history Belle, try this one out for size

a. A chronological record of events, as of the life or development of a people or institution, often including an explanation of or commentary on those events

History cant be changed, it is fact that Canadians burned down the white house, I can lie and say it didnt happen, but it doesnt change the fact that it did happen. Sorry, I am not losing this one ROFL! I have fact on my side, there is no room for opinion on this one! :thumbsup2

Inquiring minds want to know .. what is the name of this book, that has so captured your interest ;)

I am learning a thing or two :rotfl: its not a story or anything :)

Angus are you on VFK at all?

If it is not you there is someone on there pretending to be you.

egad, No i have not been on since last saturday. My title was approved as Aengus so they can only pretend to be me so much

[NedsTJ]

VFK-Cricket just came into the room we were in and told us that there would be a competition coming soon with cool prizes and to watch the home page for the information! Didn't say what or when but did say there would be different competitons with differenet prizes each day and different themes each moon! Asked us all to spread the word. Consider it spread Cricket and thanks!:yay:

What type of competition...how many items can you find titled "Pink Couch?"

They must be planning a lot of roll-outs soon if that's the case. popcorn::

[snshine123]

Didn't or wouldn't tell us just to watch the homepage and it was coming soon...I took a screen shot and someday I am actually going to learn to put the screen shot in the post!

[KeepSwimmingDory]

Yeah, I try every day. I just can't get in. It's probably for the best, as it seems the kingdom is a bit crowded now.

I haven't been able to either, and I thought maybe I was using the wrong password. I just figured out today that all I did previously was reserve my title and today finished the registration process. :rotfl:

I haven't gotten on yet, but I guess I am one step closer. Just got back from vacation and haven't had time to try much anyway. It does sound crowded, so maybe we are better off to wait and let more of the problems be solved first. :thumbsup2

Dory

[SharkMeal]

VFK has been down since about 6:12 PM EST today.

The staff also said from now on, there will be something new everyday. :D

[Goofy05]

I am learning a thing or two :rotfl: its not a story or anything :)



egad, No i have not been on since last saturday. My title was approved as Aengus so they can only pretend to be me so much

I know! I know! Hooked on Phonics!

Gee, if you've not been on, wonder how many Burger Boys we'll have to keep our eyes peeled for!?!

[swimmingneno]

cant even get onto the VFK site let alone the game... anyone else?

[PizzaCaptain]

The site is taken down

[SharkMeal]

cant even get onto the VFK site let alone the game... anyone else?

Look 2 posts above you.. lol.

[Belle1997]

Your picking and choosing your definition of history Belle, try this one out for size

a. A chronological record of events, as of the life or development of a people or institution, often including an explanation of or commentary on those events

History cant be changed, it is fact that Canadians burned down the white house, I can lie and say it didnt happen, but it doesnt change the fact that it did happen. Sorry, I am not losing this one ROFL! I have fact on my side, there is no room for opinion on this one! :thumbsup2



:lmao: Sorry Anegus here is my view :thumbsup2

Ok lets say it is totally fact by a human writing it. Now we all know humans are are far from perfect. So then how can history be perfect thus prefectly accurate :)

Fact is the absolute truth. But truth is everyone's different perception :):rotfl2:

[swimmingneno]

Look 2 posts above you.. lol.

thanks! :thumbsup2

[aengus]

:lmao: Sorry Anegus here is my view :thumbsup2

Ok lets say it is totally fact by a human writing it. Now we all know humans are are far from perfect. So then how can history be perfect thus prefectly accurate :)

Fact is the absolute truth. But truth is everyone's different perception :):rotfl2:

Belle, I win you lose! You cant change history you can only change your story now go play vfk

OH YOU CANT BECAUSE ITS DOWN AGAIN AS USUAL BHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

[PizzaCaptain]

aengus u play vfk?

[anya.sparrow]

now go play vfk


*cough* it's more "standing around and looking weird with no sound" than "playing" right now *cough*

ETA: OK, we did some standing around looking weird in VMK. But I want something to PLAY!

[aengus]

aengus u play vfk?

they need a mini game in there for me to try out.

[snowgracefulstone]

they need a mini game in there for me to try out.

Well...we could always make up our own here on the boards, we can call it..."How many people does it take to beat aengus in an argument?" :rotfl2:

Sorry couldnt resist ;)

[aengus]

Well...we could always make up our own here on the boards, we can call it..."How many people does it take to beat aengus in an argument?" :rotfl2:

Sorry couldnt resist ;)

more than you can muster up if its going to be over whether or not you change history :rotfl:

[Cardinal]

History cant be changed, it is fact that Canadians burned down the white house, I can lie and say it didnt happen, but it doesnt change the fact that it did happen. Sorry, I am not losing this one ROFL! I have fact on my side, there is no room for opinion on this one! :thumbsup2


Psssh. You've never watched the History Channel. ;)

[aengus]

Psssh. You've never watched the History Channel. ;)

at my house we have no remote, you cant even change the history channel

[swimmingneno]

at my house we have no remote, you cant even change the history channel

check under the couch.. ;)

[aengus]

check under the couch.. ;)

is this ALL you people got?

Cmon your game is down for crying out loud!!!! BRING IT!

:rotfl:

[swimmingneno]

is this ALL you people got?

Cmon your game is down for crying out loud!!!! BRING IT!

:rotfl:

aww.. but im tired and lazy, I just want to find people for my friends list on VFK... -YAWN-

[NedsTJ]

is this ALL you people got?

Cmon your game is down for crying out loud!!!! BRING IT!

:rotfl:

:smokin:

David Ben Gurion
Anyone who believes you can't change history has never tried to write his memoirs.

David McCullough
No harm's done to history by making it something someone would want to read.

E. L. Doctorow
History is the present. That's why every generation writes it anew. But what most people think of as history is its end product, myth.

[NedsTJ]

And my favorite....

Henry Ford
History is more or less bunk. It's tradition. We don't want tradition. We want to live in the present and the only history that is worth a tinker's damn is the history we make today.

[aengus]

these are all about history as memoirs, I am talking actual history.

We all learned that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and said I can not tell a lie blah blah

Guess what, he didnt, the fact people told us he did, never changes the fact that he didnt actually do it. what happened happened, you cant change it @_@

Gosh, I am going back to my book. Since you guys cant play vfk maybe you should read the updates on the website....

Oh thats right, you cant because thats down too @_@

- puts flame suit on, and runs -

See you guys tomorrow LOL

[NedsTJ]

Gosh, I am going back to my book. Since you guys cant play vfk maybe you should read the updates on the website....


What book would that be, probably....

How to Win Friends and Influence People - By D. Carnegie

[Belle1997]

:lmao: :lmao: yup go back and read it again. :rotfl2:

[snowgracefulstone]

aww aengus.....at least you'll always have me :lmao: :rotfl2:

[Belle1997]

My hubby just asked me why I was giggling so much. So I was telling him all about what we have learned about history. He said tell Aengus that he has learned the herstory is more acurate since females never forget :rotfl2:

[swimmingneno]

My hubby just asked me why I was giggling so much. So I was telling him all about what we have learned about history. He said tell Aengus that he has learned the herstory is more acurate since females never forget :rotfl2:

:rotfl: