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pat fan
05-23-2008, 08:51 AM
Gas prices have gone up 3 times this week...again...and now it's at $3.94. When will it end? Anyone hear of a bubble bursting any time soon? This is ridiculous and really hurting us.

n2mm
05-23-2008, 08:53 AM
$3.99 for regular as of last night in our town. Probably higher today. It goes up daily around here.

christa112
05-23-2008, 08:53 AM
I just was $3.96 for all grades at the Shell station near my work!!!!

LAH LAH
05-23-2008, 09:25 AM
I paid $4.03 this morning for regular...I don't think it is coming down any time soon...

:(

stahshee
05-23-2008, 09:26 AM
4.07 this morning

rockyroad
05-23-2008, 09:26 AM
I read an article last night predicting gas prices as high as $7 and lasting for several years.

CMKN
05-23-2008, 09:27 AM
Wow I haven't seen the three dollar mark in a couple of weeks!

We are currently at $4.19......:confused3

momto2girls
05-23-2008, 09:28 AM
I don't know how much gas in here right now, but I certainly don't expect it to go down. I expect that it will continue to rise therefore it doesn't surprise me when I go to the pump. :confused3

Tinker'n'Fun
05-23-2008, 09:30 AM
WNY anywhere from $4.03 to $4.13 regular unleaded.

chris1gill
05-23-2008, 09:31 AM
It's not going to stop going up. Everybody laughed at me earlier in the year when I said prices would be 5.00 by summer, well, here we are, paying nearly 4.00 and they said just yesterday prices will continue to rise over the next six weeks and beyond.

When oil is 136.00 a barrel, or, 131.00 a barrel that is so far beyond the pale of anything we have ever witnessed, prices are going to go far beyond the 5.00 by the end of the summer IMHO.....

Can you say windfall profit tax for the oil companies?

mom2my3kids
05-23-2008, 09:32 AM
3.99 last night, this is crazy!!!

sandisuze
05-23-2008, 09:34 AM
anywhere from 3.86 to 4.07
yesterday the 4.07 place was 3.91

this is NOT making me a happy person at all:headache:

MELSMICE
05-23-2008, 09:35 AM
4.07 this morning
Yep - $4.07 by me also. It's crazy.

Gizmo1951
05-23-2008, 09:39 AM
It was $4.19 here last night this is crazy! :headache:

msmayor
05-23-2008, 09:55 AM
It's not going to stop going up. Everybody laughed at me earlier in the year when I said prices would be 5.00 by summer, well, here we are, paying nearly 4.00 and they said just yesterday prices will continue to rise over the next six weeks and beyond.

When oil is 136.00 a barrel, or, 131.00 a barrel that is so far beyond the pale of anything we have ever witnessed, prices are going to go far beyond the 5.00 by the end of the summer IMHO.....

Can you say windfall profit tax for the oil companies?

Which is why I'm an Exxon shareholder. And an investor in a natural resource fund. Right now, that's where the big investment is, and where the greatest returns are.

I always find it interesting though that folks blame the oil companies for these prices...the free market determines the price of a barrel of oil, not the oil companies. Between the weakening dollar and the increase in demand for oil all around the world, investors are bidding up oil and futures contracts. Which in turn raises the price of gas at the pump. But if you look back, the two haven't risen at the same rate.

If you look at where oil was back in 2004, the price averaged $35/bbl. Gas was around $2/gallon.

Oil is now almost four times the price...but we're not close yet to paying $8/gallon for gas (which is four times the price it was back in 2004).

Goofyzgurl
05-23-2008, 09:58 AM
$3.77 here....

*KeepMovingForward*
05-23-2008, 09:58 AM
I guess I'm feeling good that gas is $3.61 here. I just filled up this morning. I'm sure that price is going to go way up very soon. Soon we may be riding our bikes to work. :sad2:

hubermom3
05-23-2008, 10:11 AM
These are the prices reported yesterday and today on the news channel. They have a gas tracker.

Lowest Gas Prices in Metro Detroit:


3.85 Costco

3.87 Marathon

3.87 BP

3.88 Sunoco

3.89 Ammex

3.89 Sam's Club


3.89 Citgo

3.89 Fast Track



Here is a link to the site.

http://media.myfoxdetroit.com/traffic/gas/index.html

mountdew1
05-23-2008, 10:14 AM
It's going to keep going up. It may have spiked a bit due to the long weekend (which I think is historically high prices) and may level off a touch for a few weeks, but it is definitely going to keep going up. Demand is going up around the world, China and India are both starting to crave cars instead of bikes so consumption is skyrocketing. Some is due to hedge speculators driving the cost per barrel up, and a bit is due to the taxes you pay on the gas. However, many gas taxes are fixed, only some states have percentages. And dropping the federal gas tax will be a one time savings, but that 30 cents savings will soon go right back up as costs keep rising. And then not only are we paying 4 bucks for gas, but now the government has a massive funding shortfall. Alternative sources need to be arranged. Be it public transit, hybrids, biking to work, what have you is the only way it is going to get better. And remember, many countries currently pay 7-8 dollars a gallon for gas. So we are still fairly lucky. Trust me, the increase sucks (I commute 55ish mi each way to work) and it's not going to get better in the near future.

gilby
05-23-2008, 10:18 AM
They say if we start pumping oil from alaska, there is enough oil to last us 30 years and gas would be around 2.00 a gallon.
All they are doing is making the American go broke. This will definitely put our March vacation on hold. I was pricing out air to mexico at over 600.00, I am not going to pay that.
Food is higher, natural gas to heat our house, everything is high, its got to end. We can't even have Schwans come to the house anymore, because they charge a fuel surcharge. I am fed up.

eliza61
05-23-2008, 10:18 AM
Gas prices have gone up 3 times this week...again...and now it's at $3.94. When will it end? Anyone hear of a bubble bursting any time soon? This is ridiculous and really hurting us.



:mad: Unfotunately I seriously believe it will get to $5.00/gallon before years end. At this rate, it will probably be cheaper for me to go back to Horse and buggy. How much can feed cost anyway? :sad2:

Disney8704
05-23-2008, 10:19 AM
DH just filled up the other night $3.87 - 4 1/2 gallons $16!! Gas WILL continue to raise. Once we hit the $4 mark, we will never see $3 gas again. By 2010 gas prices will be $10 a gallon. DH wants to get a bike and ride it to work. We live right across the street from the base so it would work. He would just have to leave earlier. Of course he would have to start keeping tabs on the weather. If they are calling for rain, he would drive to work, but if not, he would ride the bike to work and back home.

imlejeune
05-23-2008, 10:20 AM
Gas up here is 4.08 to 4.24 depending on where you stop.

peyton18
05-23-2008, 10:36 AM
$4.03 for regular unleaded, Madison WI

MsStinkerBelle
05-23-2008, 10:54 AM
Can you say windfall profit tax for the oil companies?

Considering how much the state, local and federal government gets per gallon of gas, if the oil companies get a windfall profit tax, the governments need to cut their taxes on gas as well. Some places those taxes are almost 60 cents a gallon! :scared:

daughtersrus
05-23-2008, 10:58 AM
It went up to $4.19 Wednesday afternoon here in the western suburbs of Chicago.

MomofCKJ
05-23-2008, 11:03 AM
3.88 last night where we are (central Massachusetts). I have not seen $4 yet but I know it is coming. :scared1:

Allyson

kwhite1022
05-23-2008, 11:08 AM
I wish I knew what the answer was....Id get rich quick!! :rotfl:

I do know that everything is only going to keep going up. My DH is a trucker and at $4.89 a gallon to fill up, with no end it sight, its only going to get worse. All of Americas goods are moved by either planes, ships, or trucks...and they all run on diesel fuel. Trucking companies (if they are still in buisness) have to pass on some of the cost, which then is passed on to us, a cycle that we are seeing and feeling right now. I dont know what the answer is, part of me hopes this kicks inventors into high gear for a solution. Part of me wouldnt be suprised if alot of alternatives could have been being used for years, but were squashed by Oil and Car companies. I have to hope a public outcry for change, may finally open some doors for inventors who have been finding a way out of the fuel trap. I dont mind hurting for a while, if it would mean better things in the long run. Thats just me though.

mousefanmichelle
05-23-2008, 11:09 AM
I saw 4.09 on my way home last night. Glad I filled up at 3.999 (I guess I am glad :( not really).

My dh said yesterday that we are going to see 8 bucks before too long. I said at that rate we won't afford to be able to go to work - either of us as we both have a long commute and no public transportation near us.

Keep your chins up everyone - we are all in the same boat!

eeyorethegreat
05-23-2008, 11:19 AM
I Part of me wouldnt be suprised if alot of alternatives could have been being used for years, but were squashed by Oil and Car companies. I have to hope a public outcry for change, may finally open some doors for inventors who have been finding a way out of the fuel trap.

I have no doubt that there are better, cheaper, more envoronmentally friendly alternatives out there, that have already been inveted even. So long as the oil companies have the power that they do and so long as people refuse to change their ways we will be paying more at the pump, to heat our homes and in anything else we choose to buy (passing that cost onto the seller). I know I have been and will continue to be more conscious about planning any outings that require a vehicle. My husband said he wanted to get a motorcycle to save on gas to and from work (thiough I hear not all are very good on mpg) and I poo pooed the idea. Let's just say I am beginning to reconsider and do some research...

lmillercrew
05-23-2008, 11:30 AM
$4.19/gallon hear in Toledo, OH! Make it stop, PLEASE! It's very scary, in MHO, for those who were barely making it to begin with, now they really aren't making it. I've started walking whenever I can. I walk to the gym and even walked to the vets office last week.

dobball23
05-23-2008, 11:31 AM
DH just filled up the other night $3.87 - 4 1/2 gallons $16!! Gas WILL continue to raise. Once we hit the $4 mark, we will never see $3 gas again. By 2010 gas prices will be $10 a gallon. DH wants to get a bike and ride it to work. We live right across the street from the base so it would work. He would just have to leave earlier. Of course he would have to start keeping tabs on the weather. If they are calling for rain, he would drive to work, but if not, he would ride the bike to work and back home.

During the summer months here in Pennsylvania (beginning of May to end of August) I ride my bike to work nearly every day, rain or shine. It is about 3 miles door-to-door. It really isn't bad, especially once you get into the routine of doing it. It becomes the norm.

Last summer, I went from April 22 to July 6 without getting gas in my car because I rode my bike almost everywhere. We also drove my wife's car sometimes, so that skews my stat slightly, but it is still great riding a bike to work.

pat fan
05-23-2008, 11:39 AM
My husband said he wanted to get a motorcycle to save on gas to and from work (thiough I hear not all are very good on mpg) and I poo pooed the idea. Let's just say I am beginning to reconsider and do some research

My DH just got a Yamaha scooter, 49 CC and it gets 100 MPG. Only goes 40 MPH, but who cares! He uses that to commute to work now, wish I could!

CarolA
05-23-2008, 11:50 AM
They say if we start pumping oil from alaska, there is enough oil to last us 30 years and gas would be around 2.00 a gallon.
All they are doing is making the American go broke. This will definitely put our March vacation on hold. I was pricing out air to mexico at over 600.00, I am not going to pay that.
Food is higher, natural gas to heat our house, everything is high, its got to end. We can't even have Schwans come to the house anymore, because they charge a fuel surcharge. I am fed up.

They say this do they?

1. So what happens in 30 years when you kids are our age?
2. Gas as it comes OUT of the ground in Alaska does not go directly in your car. One of the reasons gas is high is that there is a shortage of refining capactiy to meet the demand to turn the stuff out of the ground into fuel for engines!
3. Why would anyone sell it to us at $2.00 a gallon when China/India and others will pay more?

Solomonsmom81
05-23-2008, 12:23 PM
i just want to say this :sick: :headache: :scared: :guilty: :sad2: :idea: :mad: :eek: as I head to the toilet because these gas prices make me sick thats all

MrsR
05-23-2008, 12:26 PM
I paid $4.09 last week.
Sad!

samanthacatangel
05-23-2008, 01:05 PM
I hadn't filled up in 3 weeks (I ~obviously~ do not drive all too far + good gas mileage) and paid 4.26. I could not believe it!

DH drives a Geo Metro as his commuter car. It gets 50 mpg, and I read an article where they are selling on eBay for between 3000 and 7000 dollars. I checked it out, and its true.

Maybe we should sell it? It was only 12,000 when bought new in 1996.

Who would have thought the return rate on a 12 year old car could be this good?

Samantha

mamalle
05-23-2008, 01:12 PM
3.99 and up here in south fla :sad2:

dturner
05-23-2008, 01:22 PM
$4.19/gallon hear in Toledo, OH! Make it stop, PLEASE! It's very scary, in MHO, for those who were barely making it to begin with, now they really aren't making it. I've started walking whenever I can. I walk to the gym and even walked to the vets office last week.

You hit the nail on the head with that one.

Foladar
05-23-2008, 01:31 PM
3.99 and up here in south fla :sad2:

3.84 in south south florida, homestead etc

but 3.77 this morning in orlando, glad we don't have the higher prices yet.

Katie
05-23-2008, 02:04 PM
4.07 in Central Illinois.

It is affecting even little league at this point. My son's team is having trouble getting kids to come to the out of town games, due to the fuel cost. Tuesday, I had 6 boys in my Suburban. At least they got to play, but their parents missed the game.

We start travel basketball next weekend, and every weekend we drive over 50 miles a day(each way) to play basketball. We play on Saturday and Sundays. Sometimes, you have to wonder if staying in a hotel for the night, would be cheaper....of course, then you would have to have food expense also. I know again, my Suburban will be filled with a basketball team.

This is nuts!!!

donald&daisy
05-23-2008, 02:15 PM
I paid $3.85 on the way back to my house from my parent's house today, but the small gas station by our house is at $4.00. First time I have seen it that high here.

Anne34
05-23-2008, 03:01 PM
It went up to $4.19 Wednesday afternoon here in the western suburbs of Chicago.


I saw the same station go from $4.19 at noon to $4.24 by evening!!!!! Today it went down to $4.09/$4.14 -- Whoo hoo (:upsidedow sarcastically)

It is about $135.00 to fill up the suburban -- and we're travelling to soccer tournaments this weekend -- should be fun.

dis2cruise
05-23-2008, 03:28 PM
$4.19 here on long island, ny this is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!

eliza61
05-23-2008, 03:36 PM
I always find it interesting though that folks blame the oil companies for these prices...the free market determines the price of a barrel of oil, not the oil companies. Between the weakening dollar and the increase in demand for oil all around the world, investors are bidding up oil and futures contracts. Which in turn raises the price of gas at the pump. But if you look back, the two haven't risen at the same rate.



Oil is now almost four times the price...but we're not close yet to paying $8/gallon for gas (which is four times the price it was back in 2004).

Thank you Msmayor
Let me add my standard disclaimer: I work for a major oil company so my views are seriously skewed.

This is a free market, we do not set the price of oil and if I were the Saudias I too would be getting the most for my product.

eliza61
05-23-2008, 03:39 PM
They say this do they?

1. So what happens in 30 years when you kids are our age?
2. Gas as it comes OUT of the ground in Alaska does not go directly in your car. One of the reasons gas is high is that there is a shortage of refining capactiy to meet the demand to turn the stuff out of the ground into fuel for engines!
3. Why would anyone sell it to us at $2.00 a gallon when China/India and others will pay more?

Well done Carol,
I would also like to point out the a few oil companies have been trying for years to build new refineries or at least expand the ones we already have. Can we say "Not in my backyard". You would not believe the opposition to even think about building a new refinery.

And before we start blaming others for our woes take look around, What type of vehicle has been the hot sellers the last few years?
Gas guzzling SUV's and mini vans. I crack up every time I see one of the huge hummers (yeah, I bet a lot of people really brought those to go off roading) and Cadillac escalades with 1 person in it. We are gigantic consumers.

DMickey28
05-23-2008, 03:39 PM
I paid $3.91 this morning in Coral Springs. It was the cheapest that I saw out today.

msmayor
05-23-2008, 04:03 PM
Well done Carol,
I would also like to point out the a few oil companies have been trying for years to build new refineries or at least expand the ones we already have. Can we say "Not in my backyard". You would not believe the opposition to even think about building a new refinery.

And before we start blaming others for our woes take look around, What type of vehicle has been the hot sellers the last few years?
Gas guzzling SUV's and mini vans. I crack up every time I see one of the huge hummers (yeah, I bet a lot of people really brought those to go off roading) and Cadillac escalades with 1 person in it. We are gigantic consumers.

Agree completely. Folks say we should open up the Alaskan reserves...but there's not enough refinery capacity.

Finding oil, discovering better ways to refine it, researching how to get the MOST energy from a barrel of oil...this all costs BIG money. It can be likened to the drug companies researching new medicines...someone has to foot the bill to find this stuff, and the oil companies need cash and investment reserves to pay for this research. Its money they're spending in anticipation of someday maybe getting a payoff on it.

DH and I don't drive the most fuel-efficient vehicles. DH's car, though, is 9 years old and paid for, and gets around 19mpg. Right now, I can't justify putting a car payment into my budget for one that gets better gas mileage, but its something we've already discussed.

As for my car, its a Pacifica...a crossover. Larger than some standard vehicles, but not nearly as big as a full-sized SUV and 19mpg around town/23mpg highway...again, not too shabby. Two more payments and the title comes to me, so again...not a priority to replace. If anything, I'll suddenly have more $$ in the budget to pay for the increased gas now that the car payment goes away.

I'd go smaller but for the fact that we vacation in that vehicle and need luggage space, and haul hockey gear for my son. Between the 'body bag' full of equipment and his goalie pads, we need the space.

I don't stress over the price of gas. Its a fact of life, and something I have zero control over. All I can do is rework my budget as best I can to cover the higher gas costs.

CarolA
05-23-2008, 04:03 PM
Well done Carol,
I would also like to point out the a few oil companies have been trying for years to build new refineries or at least expand the ones we already have. Can we say "Not in my backyard". You would not believe the opposition to even think about building a new refinery.

And before we start blaming others for our woes take look around, What type of vehicle has been the hot sellers the last few years?
Gas guzzling SUV's and mini vans. I crack up every time I see one of the huge hummers (yeah, I bet a lot of people really brought those to go off roading) and Cadillac escalades with 1 person in it. We are gigantic consumers.

America... the only country in the world where you need a tank to take the kids to school.

(And the it's safer argument doesn't fly.... I was in a major accident. My car was totaled by an SUV. I had not one bruise. The driver of the SUV was taken by ambulance to the hosptial)

polineedyan
05-23-2008, 04:13 PM
I am one for public transportation. I cannot believe the amount of work (ongoing) that is put into crappy roads here. After every thaw, they seemingly have to replace the road. Rails would be cheaper!
I always think to myself about public transportation when I sit in a traffic jam. I cannot believe that each one of these individuals is responsible for commanding their own vehicle when we're all in a line like that. The 30 cars in this jam up would be the equivalent to a few train cars, or one bus. MONORAIL ANYONE?
Think about public transportation, the next time youre waiting from Grandma Ethel to realize the LIGHT IS GREEN!!
I lost friends ( a family of 4, 5 if you count the dog) because someone didnt look both ways at a stop sign. (it wasnt any of the 5, by the way) And then this year, another CLOSE friend lost control in the snow.
Public Transportation. Study what the auto manufacturers did in Cleveland in the 30's with the public transportation. The auto companies have put us in this mess, as well as having the blood of many american's on their hands.
Monorail. Walt did it, why cant my MAYOR?

myprincessgirlisa
05-23-2008, 04:14 PM
i just filled up yesterday at mobil for $4.13 for regular!!!!! & $75 didnt even FILL up my tank!!!!
i saw a few stations around me that were at 4.30gl!!! for regular!! premium was around $4.60!!

Kay1
05-23-2008, 04:36 PM
Well done Carol,
I would also like to point out the a few oil companies have been trying for years to build new refineries or at least expand the ones we already have. Can we say "Not in my backyard". You would not believe the opposition to even think about building a new refinery.

And before we start blaming others for our woes take look around, What type of vehicle has been the hot sellers the last few years?
Gas guzzling SUV's and mini vans. I crack up every time I see one of the huge hummers (yeah, I bet a lot of people really brought those to go off roading) and Cadillac escalades with 1 person in it. We are gigantic consumers.

It was well done. Here's a good link that attempts to explain what's going on. The man who owns the site has compiled a lot of information and backed it up with multiple links. It explains the Alaska myth, too.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

karliebug
05-23-2008, 08:17 PM
Last week I filled up at $3.79, today it is $3.99. What I don't get is if the oil companies made 4 billion dollars in profit last year, why can't they cut prices and only make,say, 1 billion in profit this year.

ZOOMAMA
05-23-2008, 08:34 PM
$4.26/gal here! DH and myself both have 20-35 mile commutes and it is painful!

msmayor
05-23-2008, 08:47 PM
Last week I filled up at $3.79, today it is $3.99. What I don't get is if the oil companies made 4 billion dollars in profit last year, why can't they cut prices and only make,say, 1 billion in profit this year.

Yes, 'billion' is a big number....but: (written by Robert Murphy, PhD in Economics and author of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism"...my comments in red

Part of the reason for giant oil profits is that the industry itself is huge. But viewed in relative terms, oil and gas earnings are less impressive. The industry’s net profit per dollar of revenue was just under 9 cents, compared to 13 cents for the S&P 500, meaning the “markup” for the oil and gas industry is below average . Remember...the numbers sound big, but its all relative to their revenues...and their revenues are higher because the price of oil is higher

Granted, total profits reported by these companies will be large, because the industry volume is enormous. But why did the integrated oil majors do so well in 2007? The answer is record oil prices, which are set by supply and demand on the world market. I said this in an earlier posts...the oil companies are not setting the price of oil...the free market is based on supply and demand. The average price of crude was $72.30 per barrel in 2007, compared to a historical average of $25.95 during the period 1986 – 2006. This explains why not only Exxon Mobil, but most of its competitors, had strong years: Royal Dutch Shell earned $31.3 billion, Chevron earned $18.7 billion, and ConocoPhillips came in with a respectable $11.9 billion annual profit.

So now we’ve pushed back the problem one step, and we have to ask, Why were oil prices so high last year? Perhaps the greedy oil companies colluded to restrict supply, and stick it to the helpless consumers!

The problem with this theory is that the supply of oil is also at an all-time high. The worldwide average number of barrels produced per day was an estimated 84.8 million in 2007, compared to 72.4 million during the period 1986 – 2006. The oil industry responds to high prices just as any other industry does. When the price of a product goes up, companies have the incentive to sell more of it.

High oil prices in recent years are caused not by supply restrictions, but by huge increases in demand. As the economies of places such as China and India boom, they draw oil and other commodities to them. Higher market prices signal the increased scarcity of these resources, causing businesses and consumers around the world to economize more carefully in their usage, whether that means finding alternate production techniques or carpooling to work. At the same time, the high prices give incentives to locate and develop more oil reserves. Given the economic realities, these outcomes are exactly what we want to happen.

Whether or not one views these market forces as benign, jacking up taxes on oil companies will only make things worse. When you raise taxes on an activity, people engage in less of it; that’s the whole point of sin taxes on liquor and cigarettes. But in this case, we’re taxing the companies who produce oil – meaning less production and higher consumer prices.

Raising taxes on the production of oil will reduce its supply, causing oil and gasoline prices to rise even further. They sometimes call it a “windfall” tax, but in truth crude oil doesn’t grow on trees. It can take over a decade and hundreds of millions of dollars of investment to find and prepare an oil field for large-scale production. And this is why Big Oil's profits shouldn't be dismissed as greed.

Oil companies are already paying exorbitant tax bills. In 2006, the industry paid $81 billion in income taxes, and almost certainly paid more in 2007 as profits were higher. (The industry data for 2007 have not yet been compiled.) Also remember that government forecasts of new tax revenues are usually grossly optimistic, because they ignore the reaction of the target industry. President Reagan ended a Carter-era windfall tax on oil companies that had generated only $80 billion during its lifetime, even though proponents of the tax had anticipated a take of $390 billion.

If politicians are concerned about gas prices, they shouldn’t erect extra hurdles for those companies in the business of finding new supplies of oil. If the government really wants to do something, it can roll back restrictions on offshore and Alaskan drilling. Beyond that, it should just let market prices and the profit motive do their jobs.

CarolA
05-23-2008, 08:52 PM
I am one for public transportation. I cannot believe the amount of work (ongoing) that is put into crappy roads here. After every thaw, they seemingly have to replace the road. Rails would be cheaper!
I always think to myself about public transportation when I sit in a traffic jam. I cannot believe that each one of these individuals is responsible for commanding their own vehicle when we're all in a line like that. The 30 cars in this jam up would be the equivalent to a few train cars, or one bus. MONORAIL ANYONE?
Think about public transportation, the next time youre waiting from Grandma Ethel to realize the LIGHT IS GREEN!!
I lost friends ( a family of 4, 5 if you count the dog) because someone didnt look both ways at a stop sign. (it wasnt any of the 5, by the way) And then this year, another CLOSE friend lost control in the snow.
Public Transportation. Study what the auto manufacturers did in Cleveland in the 30's with the public transportation. The auto companies have put us in this mess, as well as having the blood of many american's on their hands.
Monorail. Walt did it, why cant my MAYOR?

Before you blame the auto companies entirely.

I live in a city where LOTS of my coworkers could take the subway. As far as I know I am the ONLY one who does. The auto companies aren't making them drive.

In Florida earlier this month the legislature voted DOWN a public transport system that was going to be run on the rail company rail lines which would have been deeded to the state because the rail company would not be liable for all accidents anymore.:confused3

Even on these threads go back and read how many posts call for better public transport vs. "pump more oil" or "make them give up the profits"

CTdiznymom
05-23-2008, 08:53 PM
This am it was $4.17 tonight it's up to $4.25. One town over I saw $4.35.
(I'm in SW Conn.)

kritter
05-23-2008, 10:29 PM
This am it was $4.17 tonight it's up to $4.25. One town over I saw $4.35.
(I'm in SW Conn.)

Oh my gosh,, I'm in CT and it is $4.08 up here!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SelfEmployedDebtFree
05-23-2008, 11:39 PM
I paid $4.69. I drive a diesel ambulance (plumber). I've raised my rates every year for the past 5 years to cover gas. This year I was seriously determined that I had finally gotten to the price I wanted, and since I do work for the lower incomes mostly, I really had no intentions of touching my hourly rates for at least 2-3 years. I was finally making what I considered to be good money.
I didn't raise them, but I did add a gas charge. Some areas I'm declining, and a few friends of mine have all decided to switch out our work to help each other out. I'm referring all jobs on the other side of town to a friend who lives there, and he's referring his jobs closer to me. We have 3 of us now doing this. I guess you could call it customer swapping.
Its not really hurting my business much, because I added the fuel surcharge. But theres more to that story. I am hearing a LOT more "I called you because by the time I drive to Lowes 3 times I could have just paid you." My business has actually increased. Actually, this is my best year ever.

HERES MY BEEF!!!:
My 89 Maxima gets in the mid 30s (32-35MPG) on the highway. Its an OLD car. Its also a VERY VERY fast car for what it is(though I have made a few modifications to the engine for performance). (I can bust most Mustang GTs in it!!!:woohoo: ) I see the new cars bragging about 28MPG highway and I'm thinking "What the crap???" Thats HORRIBLE!!! I saw one the other day in Costco, it was a 4 cylinder, and it was small, and got 28MPG hwy. My old 1992 Mitsubishi truck got 28 MPG, and it was geared very low. Thats nothing special. My Maxima is a 6, not a 4, and it gets much better. We've owned 5-6 of the older Maximas, and we've tested 3 of them in the lower to mid 30s on MPG. I don't think the new ones are that efficient.
I asked my FIL who owns an import company. He said the govt sold the fuel technology to the oil industries back in the mid 90s. Since then, to get that kind of mileage they have to find new technology, because the oil industries won't let them use what they used to.
Anyways, thats what he has heard being in the business all his life.
As far as any polls, I took a Harris poll recently on the subject. I noticed it had been very strategically done so you had to rate everything on BOTH oil and Natural GAS. They never really differentiated. While I hate the price of oil and gasoline, I think Natural Gas isn't that badly priced. JMHO. My point is it was hard to rate them low on the survey because of how they worded everything. It was sneaky.

nooneshome
05-24-2008, 06:56 AM
Two days ago it was $3.59 for regular at the Fast Trak. Haven't checked it since. The Cracker Barrel has regular for $3.79. Can't wait for the Disney wonks to offer some great packages later this year.

Jennifer823
05-24-2008, 07:57 AM
I am one for public transportation. I cannot believe the amount of work (ongoing) that is put into crappy roads here. After every thaw, they seemingly have to replace the road. Rails would be cheaper!
I always think to myself about public transportation when I sit in a traffic jam. I cannot believe that each one of these individuals is responsible for commanding their own vehicle when we're all in a line like that. The 30 cars in this jam up would be the equivalent to a few train cars, or one bus. MONORAIL ANYONE?
Think about public transportation, the next time youre waiting from Grandma Ethel to realize the LIGHT IS GREEN!!
I lost friends ( a family of 4, 5 if you count the dog) because someone didnt look both ways at a stop sign. (it wasnt any of the 5, by the way) And then this year, another CLOSE friend lost control in the snow.
Public Transportation. Study what the auto manufacturers did in Cleveland in the 30's with the public transportation. The auto companies have put us in this mess, as well as having the blood of many american's on their hands.
Monorail. Walt did it, why cant my MAYOR?

I totally agree with you. I don't understand these people who argue that we don't have it so bad, because in Europe they pay $8/gal or whatever.. well, in Europe they don't HAVE to drive. You can walk or bike to the store, school, church, whatever. Or, you can take the train or the bus. We can't all do that here in the US. In my town, pedestrians are run down all the time. DH has a coworker who bought a scooter to get himself to work because of the gas prices - next day he gets in a bad accident and breaks a leg! I'd love to be able to walk to the grocery store - but I'd endanger myself and my kids walking three miles on a two lane road with a speed limit of 50 MPH with no sidewalk and no really no shoulder, even. At this point, I wish we lived in a city and didn't need a car. I'd LOVE the opportunity to take public transportation!

eliza61
05-24-2008, 08:57 AM
I totally agree with you. I don't understand these people who argue that we don't have it so bad, because in Europe they pay $8/gal or whatever.. well, in Europe they don't HAVE to drive. You can walk or bike to the store, school, church, whatever. Or, you can take the train or the bus. We can't all do that here in the US. In my town, pedestrians are run down all the time. DH has a coworker who bought a scooter to get himself to work because of the gas prices - next day he gets in a bad accident and breaks a leg! I'd love to be able to walk to the grocery store - but I'd endanger myself and my kids walking three miles on a two lane road with a speed limit of 50 MPH with no sidewalk and no really no shoulder, even. At this point, I wish we lived in a city and didn't need a car. I'd LOVE the opportunity to take public transportation!

But who's fault is that? Our? case in point. My township just put in a new H.S., the town council wanted to install sidewalks so the kids could walk to school.
1) property taxes would lower because they could reduce the # of school buses they have to hire (or if any thing, they could use that money else where ) They had estimated a 10% drop in the number of buses.

2) Road congestion would go down during rush hour because now you don't have as many school buses. Plus you don't have teens on the road driving to school.
You should have seen the town meetings and the outcry. All the parents screeming because they did not want their little darlings walking to school. Which makes me laugh. You will let a 16 yo behind the wheel of a 3000 lb car but he can't cross the street safely? :sad2: or God forbid, they actually have to walk to school in the rain. :scared1: These were H.s. kids we're talking about. 1/2 of them go to school close to butt naked.

I'm one of those who have little sympathy for us. WE created this situation. As a country we are a bit spoiled and narrow minded. Average american family has 2 1/2 cars. For years we have been getting warning signs about our fuel consumption, global warming & other environmental issues. Now the the crap has hit the fan, we're panicking.

mickeymom1976
05-24-2008, 08:58 AM
:mad: Unfotunately I seriously believe it will get to $5.00/gallon before years end. At this rate, it will probably be cheaper for me to go back to Horse and buggy. How much can feed cost anyway? :sad2:

I was just talking about this yesterday. With the cost of corn also going through the roof, the feed is probably as expensive as the gasoline. I agree that it will probably be easily $5 by year's end.

At the station at the bottom of the hill from our house, gasoline prices went up 20 cents over night, from $2.59 to $2.79. I'm afraid of what it probably is this morning. Hopefully, after this holiday weekend, they will go down some.

Brer Rabbit
05-24-2008, 09:19 AM
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/052008Masters.pdf

deep, but good reading

CarolA
05-24-2008, 09:26 AM
I totally agree with you. I don't understand these people who argue that we don't have it so bad, because in Europe they pay $8/gal or whatever.. well, in Europe they don't HAVE to drive. You can walk or bike to the store, school, church, whatever. Or, you can take the train or the bus. We can't all do that here in the US. In my town, pedestrians are run down all the time. DH has a coworker who bought a scooter to get himself to work because of the gas prices - next day he gets in a bad accident and breaks a leg! I'd love to be able to walk to the grocery store - but I'd endanger myself and my kids walking three miles on a two lane road with a speed limit of 50 MPH with no sidewalk and no really no shoulder, even. At this point, I wish we lived in a city and didn't need a car. I'd LOVE the opportunity to take public transportation!

I have traveled a lot in Europe. No, not everyone there lives in a place where they can take public transport. There's a lot of "rural" just like there is here.

However, an SUV Is something that is OUT of place there and stands out. Folks drive smaller more fuel efficent cars. Try buying a Diesel engine car here! (Yes diesel cost more but those cars get good mileage. I have driven them) I generally rent a compact and my car in Europe is average sized.

grumpalina
05-24-2008, 09:53 AM
$4.29 in my neighborhood yesterday morning :(