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DISNEYFOS
05-20-2008, 10:11 AM
I don't mean to stir any pots or anything...I'm just curious how others feel about the ADR process.

I started thinking about this as I was helping friends plan for their first trip.

They were somewhat surprised about the need to make ADRs this far out and were a bit overwhelmed about having to determine where they wanted to eat each night on their trip.

I'm sure there are a lot of people that might not be aware of how difficult it can be to have a sit down dinner if you don't have ADRs. I've been turned away (or seen others turned away) before at various places being told we can't seat you unless you have an ADR. So i'm a bit obsessive of making ADRs for each night to the annoyance of my "fly by the seat of his pants" DH

I know a lot of people "in the know" make multiple ADRs for different places each night with the expectation of canceling (or not) based on what they want to do that night.

As more people use this Multiple ADR strategy to keep flexible, do you think Disney will start to limit the ability to do that? In order to open up TS opportunities for just the non-obsessive planning :rotfl: average visitor?

Just curious how others felt about it?

tlhbdm
05-20-2008, 10:19 AM
I personally think it will stay the same. There are certain restaurants that DH and I HAVE to go to and we make our ADRs 180 days in advance(except for our upcoming free dining trip that we booked 140 days out.) I'm not sure what to say about not knowing you should book 180 days out, the only reason I know is because I have been an obsesive planner since age 7 so I knew from my parents. Also in all of the guide books and even on Disneyworld.com they say they recommend you making dining reservations 180 days out.

I also don't want to start a ruckis(sp?) I am just stating my opinion.

OKW Lover
05-20-2008, 10:29 AM
I can't imagine a system that is more fair than the current one. Whoever calls first gets the reservation.

LittleStinkerbelle
05-20-2008, 10:29 AM
I know a lot of people "in the know" make multiple ADRs for different places each night with the expectation of canceling (or not) based on what they want to do that night.

As more people use this Multiple ADR strategy to keep flexible, do you think Disney will start to limit the ability to do that? In order to open up TS opportunities for just the non-obsessive planning :rotfl: average visitor?




Do you mean people make multiple ADRs for different places on the SAME night? If so, my understanding is that Disney is already cracking down on this in that they will cancel out ADRs if you book 2 different TS for the same meal.

heatherlynn444
05-20-2008, 10:33 AM
Do you mean people make multiple ADRs for different places on the SAME night? If so, my understanding is that Disney is already cracking down on this in that they will cancel out ADRs if you book 2 different TS for the same meal.

that was my understanding as well.

we changed our ressies to a week earlier, and made sure we cancelled all of our previous ADR's. I think this is what causes part of teh problem. ppl move their trip and then do not bother to cancel their first set of ADrs. so no one shows up for the meal, while some other family is turned away b/c the restaurant is "full"

disnut8
05-20-2008, 10:36 AM
Currently, you do have to call at 180 days out for the popular places. But this is what we do and we actually like it. We go to the non popular places. We go to the resort restaurants. And we've had great meals.

On mouseplanet, there was an article about what someone else would do to "fix" Disney World. One suggestion dealt with dining reservations. Changing them to 60 days out. And tied into your resort reservations (they currently aren't). So if you make multiple reservations for around the same time on the same day, one or more would get canceled (I'd like all of them to be canceled but that's me). For off site guests, the reservation would need a credit card number to be assigned. And a fee charged if you don't cancel or show up.

We don't know what park we're going to be at every day. But we have always been able to get a reservation at wherever we are going to be that day. Just not at the popular ones. No biggy for us.

RMulieri
05-20-2008, 10:46 AM
Not to sound mean or step on any toes...but I think the system is totally fair.I do understand that new visitors are not aware about the necessity of ressies and all, but if you are paying $1000+ to come to Disney it may be prudent to actually do a little research.Most people research any major purchase.Why should a vacation be different?As for making multiple ressies, disney has been cracking down on this.yes many people still do it and get away with it.but there are people who have had theirs cancelled on them.IS it a pain to have to decide where to eat 6mos in advance? Maybe.but i would rather make a ressie,to have something.I can always call disney dining each morning of my trip to find something else if I choose.I think many people who have never been to WDW think of it like any other themepark and it isn't and does not work the way other themeparks do, and then they are shocked when they get there. :goodvibes

tlhbdm
05-20-2008, 10:46 AM
Just a couple of years ago it was 90 days in advance so I am glad they changed it to 180 days because now you have time to change things around if need be.

Also when I made my ADRs on the phone about a month ago the atomated system asked for my reservation number but the guy I talked to said it didn't matter. I too think they should enforce a reservation rule, because what if someone decides they are going to go to WDW and makes ADRs and hasn't actually booked a reservation yet and then they decide not to go and probably won't think of canceling their ADRs. ( I really don't think that makes sense but it does in my head).

thegrimdwarf
05-20-2008, 10:49 AM
I can't say that I feel it's unfair - I mean, anyone can call, and those that call first get what they want. That said, I think it TOTALLY STINKS that you need to figure out where you want to eat 6 months in advance. It was a total downer. In my opinion, Disney should only book half the restaurant capacity to allow for 50% walk-up, but given Disney is all about the bottom line, that will never happen.

Tink888
05-20-2008, 10:58 AM
I think the ADR system is very fair - first come, first served. It's just that with the popularity of the dining plans, the demand for seating at TS restaurants has really gone up so if there's somewhere you really want to go, you've got to plan ahead. That said, I've made ADRs in as little as two months and with the exception of LeCellier (couldn't get that at 180 days out), I've always gotten the ADR's I wanted.

The real problem I have is with guests making multiple ADRs. I know there is a lot of disagreement on the boards over this practice but I think that it's so selfish and rude of people to do this just so they can have their bases covered. I'm glad Disney is cracking down on it and I hope they continue.

IMO, as more and more people are turned away from TS and Disney finds more and more multiple ADRs being made, they are going to start requiring credit cards when booking ADRs and charging cancellations fees and what is currently a good and fair system is going to become a real headache for everyone.

DISNEYFOS
05-20-2008, 11:09 AM
Do you mean people make multiple ADRs for different places on the SAME night? If so, my understanding is that Disney is already cracking down on this in that they will cancel out ADRs if you book 2 different TS for the same meal.

So this is what I meant by Unfair..The ability to make reservations all over the place for the same night/same time. I didn't know they were cracking down on that. This is good news and will help make sure that certain restaurants aren't just looking booked solid on paper and they turn people away.

I do wish they would hold a few number of tables open for walk-ups so your vacation does not need to feel so regimented.

asmit4
05-20-2008, 11:09 AM
I like the current system but feel that charging for 'no shows' in some way would be good. IMO- a 10 or 20 dollar fee would detract many from trying to double book. (allthough- I've read that they have cracked down on this somehow in their system already without charging).

The reality is that the parks are huge, with lots of people. There are only so many seats to go around. The library/borders has 100's, even 1000's of books on DW for a reason. IMO- DW is not a place you just 'show up' like six flags. You should research and if you don't, that's your loss.

asmit4
05-20-2008, 11:13 AM
1 more problem with cancelling ADRs for those that try to book 2. Let's say I go with my sister who lives in FL. I book for 2 adults under 'ashley'-I tell them I'm staying at POP. Then my sister calls, books under 'susan'. She books for 2 people and claims she is 'local' and not staying on site.

NOW we have 2 ADRs for the same meal and they can't prove it. I would never do this but the reality is that LOTS of people DO do this and they think it's ok to do so, either that or they just don't care.

In order to truly stop people you have to charge a fee IMO.

3prettyprincesses
05-20-2008, 11:17 AM
Wow, I had no idea people would double book ADR's. I'm sorry but that seems really rude. We too saw people turned away for TS meals and I felt badly for them, especially when they had little ones. It's not fair to book 2 dinners on the same night, fully intending on only choosing one. I'm surprised people would do that. When I made my ADR's last week, the CM first asked for my reservation number and then asked my phone number. Well, I hope Disney does crack down on this practice, just seems unfair especially for those at Disney trying to get a TS meal. My 2 cents worth....:goodvibes

WDisnut
05-20-2008, 11:18 AM
It should be 30 to 60 out not 180+. I called the day Free dining was allowed and I could only get lunch time for LE cellier for a whole week.

There is really no way to stop multiple ADRS but there should be! There will always be a way around whatever they make! There will always be people who care more about their vacation than Fairness.

WillCAD
05-20-2008, 11:18 AM
The only change I would like to see is for the restaurants to hold back about 10% of their tables for walk-ups and late-comers.

Lots of people make trips on "short" notice - less than 6 months - which puts them well inside the 180-day booking window and makes it very hard to get restaurant ressies.

I've also been a non-planner myself and only started planning my ADRs because it's so impossible to get into any of the good restaurants without an ADR.

I don't want to see any massive changes in the system, but a limited number of tables held back for walk-ups would be nice. It's not like they'd go empty and lose money for the restuarants.

magik
05-20-2008, 11:22 AM
I think the reservation system is fair, it's just the popularity of the dining plan that makes it a big pain. I know the dining plan is a really great deal for some people, and I know it gets more people into the table service restaurants which is great for Disney's bottom line, but I personally wish it would go away. I know it's selfish, but it's true.

I really miss being able to go to the guest relations dining window in whatever park I was in that day and make reservations for that day with no problem for just about any restaurant there. I like how it used to be only the *really* popular things like breakfast at the castle or hoop dee do revue truly needed the advance dining reservations and everything else you could either make reservations for much closer to your trip or even week or day of.

embgrl
05-20-2008, 11:22 AM
I can understand about not knowing what you're going to want to eat when you are actually at the park six months in advance. I am one who gets my ADR's as soon as our trip is booked(which this year was 178 day out), but even then a lot of the restaurants or decent time slots were taken. I think it would be great if at least 1/4 of the tables at the restaurants were reserved for walk-ups, you know they would still be filled. Those who just walk-up may have to wait longer for a table than those with ADR's but at least then everyone would have an opportunity to eat at places they want. It would make things a little easier as far as flexibility too instead of having to plan your entire trip around food and having every meal mapped out in advance especially for those of us who like to wing it every now and again. But as other have said, that's just my opinion. ;)

Abharmagic
05-20-2008, 11:31 AM
I have no problem with the current system- first come first served as far as calling in ADRs.

I do wish there was a way to cancel out multiple ADRs that one party is booking for the same date-same meal. I think it wouldn't be that hard to create a computer program that would not allow the CM to enter in another Dinner ADR for the same date unless the other one was cancelled. I think it's crazy that people would double and triple book meals so that while they are there they can decide.

IDK b/c I always stay offsite, but then you book a vacation package with WDW does them CM inform you of the need/option/necessity of making ADRs at the 180+10 mark?

I do feel sorry for vacationers who get to WDW and are unable to eat any TS meals due to the fact that they didn't know about ADRs. I think it's kind of creepy that some people derive pleasure out of seeing families turned away when they don't have ADRs. I saw lots of this go on last October.

Markstudy
05-20-2008, 11:33 AM
I love the 180 day ADR system

Its very simple.... make a top-10-list of places you'd like to try, and then build your park days around your ADR's

I remember the days of- 90 plus minute lines for dinner at Disney, and it wasn't fun.

Double booking ADR's is Disney's own fault. If they wanted to stop it, they would!
(I wish they would)

eyeheartgoofy
05-20-2008, 11:56 AM
I think it is fair.

You can make decent ADR's without 180 days advance notice - I was able to get CRT (a cancellation, I'm sure) for 5:30pm, Akershus for 5:00pm, Kona Cafe at 5:30pm and and 8:10am at Crystal Palace by calling 5 weeks in advance. I wasn't able to get Chef Mickey's except for odd times ... but that was about it (I didn't even try Le Cellier).

Do I feel bad for the Dad's trying to make same day ADR's during busy seasons? Yes, I sure do ... that was us on our first trip to the world.

Magic2000
05-20-2008, 12:12 PM
I also think the current system is fair. I do not think holding multiple ADRs for the same day/time is fair. Once I'm sure of my dates, I plan out my days. Our first full day at Disney is always at Magic Kingdom, so I try for a restaurant in MK (usually Plaza Restaurant) or at one of the monorail hotels. At Epcot, we LOVE LeCellier, so we always try for an ADR there. At Animal Kingdom, the kids love Rainforest Cafe, so we go there. I usually just make one ADR per day. We usually do two days at Epcot and at least two days at MK, so we try different restaurants. I just mix the parks up since we try not to go to the same park two days in a row. We always go to Magic Kingdom on our last day too (its our favorite park so we start and end each trip at MK)!

Now I do allow for some flexability once we're there. If the day we were going to go to Epcot needs to be switched with a water park day, no big deal. (Sometimes, we switch our days around if, once we get there, we find that they are expecting rain on our water park day) If I can get another ADR, that's great. If not, we'll just go somewhere else.

That would be the only reason I would hold a reservation that long without cancelling (I do try to call at least the day before if I have to cancel for switching around a park day). I do not think it is right to have multiple ADRs so you can see what you feel like eating.

lntsmom
05-20-2008, 12:31 PM
Disney is not going to hold tables for walk-ups. Their whole system is designed to try to hold guests captive. Not only do they open ADRs almost 6 months out, they now want everyone to buy the Dining Plan.

The efforts they've gone through to try to foist the plan on me are just nuts! Every time I call they go through all the reasons why the plan would be such a great deal...um, yeah, except I have a very finicky 12 year old and I would be paying adult prices for him to eat chicken nuggets. Now, he can pack away the nuggets, but $25 worth a day??? I don't think so!

Then there's my travel agent who has suggested the plan 3 times. And the letter from Disney to her, reminding her to push the dining plan because they just [I]know[I] I'm going to book it eventually. They wanted to remind her that if I book prior to arriving on property, she gets a cut. If I wait until I'm there, they get to pocket the whole amount.

Now, why Disney is so adamant that I'm going to book the plan I have no idea! First of all, we aren't the type of family that wants to be tied down with dining plans. We're doing a breakfast, a lunch, a dinner, and a dessert. That's it for our entire 7 day stay! Second, we aren't the type that would get our money's worth out of it. We aren't big eaters. Finally, I find it offensive that they offer free dining. This says to me that dining is nothing more than a cattle prod. Do what they want or else! I'm not much on heavy handed sales techniques. I fully understand that I am a less valuable guest than the person who books the Grand Floridian for September. Whatever. I'm not going to sit around crying in my Mickey Waffles over it.

So, to the question. Is the system fair? Yes. Even if people book 2 or 3 restaurants for the same night, it's fair. Everyone has that chance. I think anyone who spends the kind of money Disney wants without using either their travel agents or a local agent is taking a huge gamble...especially first-time visitors. Travel agents don't cost the consumer anything- all you have to book to get their experience is the room.

The reality is, Disney doesn't want to meet demand. They don't want to risk an open table. It's better for them to run at capacity. The needs of first time travelers and those who want to be spontaneous don't much matter to them!

choirfarm
05-20-2008, 12:33 PM
Do you mean people make multiple ADRs for different places on the SAME night? If so, my understanding is that Disney is already cracking down on this in that they will cancel out ADRs if you book 2 different TS for the same meal.

Here is the problem. In my case I have 2 ADR for the exact same time at 2 different restaurants. The two girls are eating as Askerhaus and the 3 boys are eating at Beirgarten...so they better not cancel!!!!! I have my numbers and I will demand to be seated.

Christine

asmit4
05-20-2008, 12:38 PM
CHOIRFARM....They KNOW the # of guests in your party. They will allow 2 ressies, 1 for 2 guests and 1 for 3 guests if you have 5 guests in your party.

As for the post about 'crying in her mickey waffles'....MY MY MY....SUCH hostility! :scared1:

Wendy5055
05-20-2008, 12:40 PM
I think the current system is fair. I am a planner but my DH is not. However, he is VERY happy that I take the time to plan and make ADR's because he knows without the planning, you are basically leaving details to "chance".

I would rather control my own destiny than allow my destiny to be controlled by others...Just my way of looking at things. :rotfl:

I purchase a new book on WDW every year on the off chance I might be missing something!!! :lmao: Seriously though, they even state in every single book on WDW about the need to make advanced dining reservations for the most popular or signature restaurants.

IMHO...If individuals are planning a "last minute" trip to WDW (or anywhere for that matter), they must be comfortable with getting what is available (be it resorts, restaurants, attractions, shows) at that time. That does not always mean they get what they want...just seems to me they must be "ok" with that because there was no planning involved. :confused3

Apologies, don't mean to step on anyone's toes...to each his own. :rolleyes1

DISNEYFOS
05-20-2008, 12:53 PM
See I'm not sure if I buy the argument that because disney is expensive, people need to research prior and therefore should "know" about the requirement for reservations 180 days out.

There are plenty more expensive places to travel..and for the most part I don't think its common to research every restaurant in the area and make reservations every night of your trip. Usually you just ask the concierge and they make recommendations/make a reservation and off you go.

I just think its a little weird and not very first-time visit friendly. I could see someone getting really disappointed by their first experience if they are turned away...Maybe not so keen on coming back.

Don't get me wrong. I do it. We have reservations for every night. I've been on the phone at 180 days out early in the AM with my coffee calling to get CRT...I'm right there with ya..

I wouldn't make multiple ADRs for one night..Thats rude.

PrincessKsMom
05-20-2008, 01:03 PM
I too believe it is a fair system, although I think 180 days is a little much. We booked in February for August. I waited until the park hours and EMH's were posted for our trip, sat down and did a chart of the hours for each park for the days (which means I went mostly with EMH parks) and then, knowing what park we'd be in, booked our ADRs based on that. For instance, when MK has a.m. EMH, we booked a 10 a.m. at CRT, so we'd get in at 8 a.m., ride all the most popular rides first, go to breakfast, then tour some more, or go back to the hotel. I'm a planner by nature, so this just helps me plan ahead. There are also some TS's that we MUST do each time, so we go with those first, then add on a few new ones, just to mix it up. I agree with a PP that a little research goes a long way. No reason you can't pick up a book at a book store, library or go on the internet and do a little research to avoid a major inconvenience. I guess it's just not my nature to "fly by the seat of my pants." :laughing:

PrincessBride07
05-20-2008, 01:30 PM
I believe the system is fair, but does have it's flaws.

I don't like the 180+ days out to make an ADR. I wish it was less. I don't want to figure out what restaurants I want to eat at 6 months from now. Not only that, more than likely the menu will have changed in some fashion from the time I made the ressie.

What about the locals? I sucks for the locals who want to spend a day at Disney, but have to go offsite to eat dinner. If they want to have a dinner durning one of their Disney days, they have to plan it months in advance. I know I don't want to plan my casual weekend months out.

Multiple bookings, I don't agree with it. Disney might be cracking down, but there will always be somebody out there who will get around the system.

disneyfav4ever
05-20-2008, 01:36 PM
I think people who make mutiple ADRs just so they have options are very rude and selfish for doing it. Disney tries to stop it as well as they can, but only requiring a phone number just isn't enough any more, since people now have so many phones in a household. Sooner or later I think they're going to have to make it so that a CC guarantee is needed.

thegrimdwarf
05-20-2008, 01:39 PM
What about the locals?

Isn't there an exception or something for locals? I assumed there was, since it's one of the prompts on the Dine Line.

jezebella
05-20-2008, 01:44 PM
I think it's pretty fair and great if your on vacation. The only ppl it's not really fair to is the locals...but Disney doesn't really care about us anymore. They have plenty of other people now to fill their restaurants. LOL....I have to call 120-180 days out to make ADR's for mother's day or father's day or someone's bday. It's a pain.....but I've gotten used to it.

jezebella
05-20-2008, 01:45 PM
Isn't there an exception or something for locals? I assumed there was, since it's one of the prompts on the Dine Line.


Nope. We call 407-WDW-DINE....and we can't get into much of anything either unless we call months in advance. I called in February to get LeCellier for lunch for my mother's bday.....in August.

pooh6890
05-20-2008, 01:47 PM
We have found the only way to get into a restaurant the day you decide you want to go is to stay concierge.....the last 3 times we were able to get into every restaurant we had planned on that morning. So they must leave a few open for situations like that.

MollyMoo
05-20-2008, 02:01 PM
We have never made reservations 180 days out ... in fact we are rather spur of the moment people and haven't even planned our trips (20 plus) that far ahead. We were there in October and had few problems getting to eat where we wanted, when we wanted. We simply made reservations through the conceriege in the hotel the day before. The only restaurant we couldn't get into was Ohana but will eat there next month when we visit again. I did make ADR's a few weeks ago (at that point we were about 50 days out) and got every restaurant and had lots of times to choose from so I guess unless you absolutely must eat at a certain place at a certain time or you have kids with their hearts set on a special character breakfast, I don't think 180 days is absolutely necessary.

I am reasonably sure that Disney is addressing the multiple reservations issue. I made my ADR's through the lady I called to make the final payment on our package. After we had finished our business she asked if there was anything else she could do for me, for example she could see that we had not made any dining arrangements yet. Apparently all of that information is in one place. She took the reservations then and there and I didn't have to call the WDW-DINE #.

LadyTrampScamp&Angel
05-20-2008, 05:08 PM
I didn't think you could make multiple ADR's without risking getting some cancelled either. If the CM is putting them on the same record they'd see them all. You'd have to use different names or something (and that would be way too much for me to keep track of!). There may be some people who do that but I'm not so sure it's a huge problem.

I like the ADR system. First call, first served and it works for me. I like having my plans set and I'm really good about cancelling if something changes. So far, so good.

OhMari
05-20-2008, 05:37 PM
If people are making ressie's for the same time, at least they should call and cancel one of them. We ate at Crystal Palace for lunch at 11:30. We had an ADR for 5:30 at Trails End and we called at 2:00 pm. and cancelled, since we knew we were not that hungry to eat another large meal.

And if people are upset with not getting into CRT 180 days out, keep calling. A CM told me, they only open up certain times at 180 days out, at 100 days out they open up times and so on. I asked in February 2007 if I could get into CRT at noon on the day before Easter and it was open. Times open up all the time with cancellations or different times released. We didn't take the CRT-I didn't think it was worth the money, so we went with Crystal Palace.

Abharmagic
05-20-2008, 06:40 PM
Isn't there an exception or something for locals? I assumed there was, since it's one of the prompts on the Dine Line.

No, I pushed that # accidentally the other day and then when a CM came on immediatley I said, Oh, I'm sorry I pushed the wrong # I pushed the # for FL residents and those coming in the next week and she laughed- and said they have no idea what number you push.

So, FYI if you push the # for FL residents on the prompts you get a CM immediatley without going through the whole catalog of prompts and the CM has no idea what you pushed as they are just there to answer your call.

cwt580
05-20-2008, 07:12 PM
after reading this i am nervous about our adr's. i have a couple of same day dinner reservations. now before i get flamed, my wife and i have a couple and my daughter and her friend have ressies for different restaurants at the same times. I sure hope they dont cancel any of the multiples. its only 2 nights but we will be very upset if any are cancelled. this is our anniversary(25th) and some meals will be MOM and dad only. I cant remember if the same day res's are in my DD or my name.

what should i do?

TDC Nala
05-20-2008, 07:21 PM
I do not think you can get any fairer than "first come, first served."

I see WDW going out of its way to alert guests that they need to make meal reservations.

Not everyone making a meal reservation is staying at a WDW resort. How could they tie meal reservations to resort reservations? What if you don't have a resort reservation?

disneywith4boys
05-20-2008, 07:22 PM
I would think that if there was so many people making multiple ADRs that the resturaunts would be half empty, with plenty of no-shows. It must be such a small percentage that it is unnoticable for bookings. Or else, they would be open for many walk ups that night if many people didn't show up, therefore creating their own "10%" tables held for walkups. Or am I looking at this wrong?:confused3
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Island Mouse
05-20-2008, 08:26 PM
I think the system is fair. The playing field is level, everyone has an equal shot at getting a reservation 180 days out. Some people don't like to plan things that far in advance, or flat out refuse to, but that is their choice. The option is still there so if people can't get into a certain restaurant as a walk-up, or by calling only a few days ahead of time, it is their own fault and hopefully they will learn their lesson for next time.

That being said, I think each restaurant should allow for a certain % of tables for walk-ups. I mean if people want to walk up and wait 2+ hours for a table, they should have that option.

And FWIW, everyone who makes an ADR is selfish in a sense. To me making more than one ADR for the same meal is only slightly more selfish than just making one. In both cases a family is looking out for themselves to make sure their meal option is covered. The true rudeness comes when you don't cancel an ADR you aren't going to use.

SunnieRN
05-20-2008, 09:02 PM
I think it's fair, I just wish that it was only a 60 day policy.

tfiga
05-20-2008, 09:13 PM
I believe the system is fair and I do not believe all the hype that lots of people are making multiple ADR's. Many people have stated that most guests are not aware that you need ADR's so I think it is highly unlikely that there is that many guests making double ADR's, if that was the case you would see empty tables at times and you would most likely be seated right at your ADR time which rarely happens. Disney is not going to invest in a system that is basically to stop 1 or 2% of ADR's that are dups. My feeling is if you do not research Disney before you go, you will have to pay for that with CS meals or eating at less popular places on off times.

queenofhartz
05-20-2008, 09:24 PM
That being said, I think each restaurant should allow for a certain % of tables for walk-ups. I mean if people want to walk up and wait 2+ hours for a table, they should have that option.

Overall, I do think the ADR system is fair, but I have to agree with the quote above. With the exception of V&A (because they pre-print menus and the dining experience is very lengthy and intimate), I have never understood why Disney can't accomodate walk-ins? It seems like they must have no-shows, or like some of the posters have recommended, maybe they could keep 10% of their tables open? Maybe it's because they intentionally overbook like airlines. :confused3

disnut8
05-21-2008, 09:39 AM
I have never understood why Disney can't accomodate walk-ins?

They can. If there is something available. Someone suggested having 50% of the restaurant be for walk-ups. I can see Boma at 5:00 when they open for dinner. People lining up for the walk up slots.

The problem isn't with Disney not accommodating walk ups because they do. The problem is that people make reservations and then not show up at all. I am all for having a credit card available for every single reservation. And not just a per person fee either. A flat fee for every reservation.

aribelle
05-21-2008, 10:03 AM
I don't mean to stir any pots or anything...I'm just curious how others feel about the ADR process.

I started thinking about this as I was helping friends plan for their first trip.

They were somewhat surprised about the need to make ADRs this far out and were a bit overwhelmed about having to determine where they wanted to eat each night on their trip.

I'm sure there are a lot of people that might not be aware of how difficult it can be to have a sit down dinner if you don't have ADRs. I've been turned away (or seen others turned away) before at various places being told we can't seat you unless you have an ADR. So i'm a bit obsessive of making ADRs for each night to the annoyance of my "fly by the seat of his pants" DH

I know a lot of people "in the know" make multiple ADRs for different places each night with the expectation of canceling (or not) based on what they want to do that night.

As more people use this Multiple ADR strategy to keep flexible, do you think Disney will start to limit the ability to do that? In order to open up TS opportunities for just the non-obsessive planning :rotfl: average visitor?

Just curious how others felt about it?

Last year when I was first learning about ADRs and reading this board, there was a lot of discussion about them cancelling BOTH of your ADRs if you were found to have TS reservations within 4 or 5 hours of each other (I can't remember the exact hours). There were a lot of people upset that their plan to have a choice once they reached the park had failed, but there were just as many people upset because they'd chosen to eat two meals within 4-5 hours of each other and that this was somehow not allowed. Me, I can't eat two big meals in the same day, lol.....but CS meals can often be only 4-5 hours apart....especially when it's a matter of "we eat now or not until after waiting for and watching the parade and fireworks, which can be 2 more hours"....yikes...so I eat then and either share a meal, or cart around some of it to munch at the parade, lol.

I'd be careful about doing multiple ADRs especially at hard to book places like Le Cellier, Chef Mickey, etc.....and if you do I'd check on them occasionally to be sure they aren't cancelled on you. It would really be the pits to get there and find out instead of two choices, you have none.

aribelle
05-21-2008, 10:11 AM
Just a couple of years ago it was 90 days in advance so I am glad they changed it to 180 days because now you have time to change things around if need be.

Also when I made my ADRs on the phone about a month ago the atomated system asked for my reservation number but the guy I talked to said it didn't matter. I too think they should enforce a reservation rule, because what if someone decides they are going to go to WDW and makes ADRs and hasn't actually booked a reservation yet and then they decide not to go and probably won't think of canceling their ADRs. ( I really don't think that makes sense but it does in my head).

Makes sense....except that means that if you're staying offsite you aren't allowed to make reservations? ummm, that's not fair. I can't help it if Disney hotels are too high for my budget....does that mean that Disney doesn't want my AP money, my food money, my souvenior money, my PHotopass money, etc? If I couldn't make reservations because I was staying off site....I'd still do CS for lunch, but if I were going at a busy time I'd obviously have to leave the park to eat dinner...and chances are I'd not come back, so less chance for me to spend more money on those trinkets at the parade, and sodas and ice cream after the fireworks.


You already get an advantage by staying onsite....you get to book 10 days at a time, instead of having to call every morning to make reservations for your 180th day out if you're staying off site. THank heavens I have free long distance on my cell....or those daily calls would really add up!


I totally agree with cracking down on multiple ADRs....but people have posted about ways to get around that too....so it's not a foolproof plan. And it doesn't seem to be strictly enforced....just read some Trip Reports and you'll find people talking about deciding which ADR to use.

Cindy's Mom
05-21-2008, 10:12 AM
Then there's my travel agent who has suggested the plan 3 times. And the letter from Disney to her, reminding her to push the dining plan because they just [I]know[I] I'm going to book it eventually. They wanted to remind her that if I book prior to arriving on property, she gets a cut. If I wait until I'm there, they get to pocket the whole amount.



This is not true - you can not book the DDP at check in, it must be done 5 days (I think) prior to arrival. Your travel agent may get a "cut" (otherwise known as a commission for doing his/her job), but you are not able to add DDP once you are there, (and if you think about, your TA is actually earning said "cut" by telling you to book DDP now instead of later, when you can't).

2 trips ago, we decided to extend our stay by 2 nights. I went to the front desk to check if they had rooms, they did.....I told the CM that I would like the DDP for those days as well, he told me that I couldn't add them on because they must be booked and paid for prior to arrival.

lntsmom
05-21-2008, 12:30 PM
This is not true - you can not book the DDP at check in, it must be done 5 days (I think) prior to arrival. Your travel agent may get a "cut" (otherwise known as a commission for doing his/her job), but you are not able to add DDP once you are there, (and if you think about, your TA is actually earning said "cut" by telling you to book DDP now instead of later, when you can't).

2 trips ago, we decided to extend our stay by 2 nights. I went to the front desk to check if they had rooms, they did.....I told the CM that I would like the DDP for those days as well, he told me that I couldn't add them on because they must be booked and paid for prior to arrival.

Doesn't surprise me that she was wrong...although it was the letter from Disney, which she sent to me, that mentioned encouraging me to book before I got onsite! I don't know if I kept it or not. I'll check my paperwork and post it if I can.

I must say, my "Disney specialist" isn't a real expert on Disney. Last time I was down there I asked about EMHs- whether we could park hop into a park during EMH or if we had to be there early enough to get the wristband. She assured me that we could get into the park at any time. Her boss, who was in the back room, yelled out to us that if we weren't at the park before the regular closing time, we wouldn't be admitted for EMH. That's just one of the things she didn't know about!

lntsmom
05-21-2008, 12:35 PM
I would think that if there was so many people making multiple ADRs that the resturaunts would be half empty, with plenty of no-shows. It must be such a small percentage that it is unnoticable for bookings. Or else, they would be open for many walk ups that night if many people didn't show up, therefore creating their own "10%" tables held for walkups. Or am I looking at this wrong?:confused3
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I agree with you on this. I don't think the average Disney guest would even come up with a plan to hold multiple ressys.

However, I wonder if this is why some of the more expensive meals now require payment when you book. It would highly discourage double booking that meal!

I got to thinking about this whole topic last night. For those who wish there were more walk-up seatings available, double or triple bookers are your friend. The more people who do this, the more last-minute tables there will be available.

That said, although I think the current system is fair, I don't think it's right to make multiple reservations for the same day and time, nor do I think it's right to be a no-show. I decided to cancel some character meals in protest over the entire month of June being declared a "holiday" so they could raise prices. I called as soon as I made the decision. I fully understand that my decision won't hurt Disney, nor would my having been a no-show, but I figured that there might be a family out there who isn't adverse to being fleeced, and they deserved the spot if they wanted it!

goofy4tink
05-21-2008, 12:45 PM
It would be nice if they had either a credit card to charge a no-show fee to or your reservation number and a fee could go on your room charge. Both would be easy. Sure would cut out those mulitple bookings, which make it hard for others to get the restaurants they really want.
I know that most people mean well, and say they will cancel the one they won't be using, but they don't.
So, perhaps a charge for not showing up would work.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-21-2008, 01:40 PM
I personally wouldn't mind having a cc deposit on everything. I'd rather pay a little more to have the flexibility that would allow for.

nosy parker
05-21-2008, 02:02 PM
well now I feel kinda bad.

I have actually double booked on two nights for my ADRs in November. Since the park schedule/hours is sooooo late in posting I really felt I had no choice. Everyone says the major restaurants book so fast and you absolutely have to book certain ones 180 days out, that I was very worried about waiting. It's my first time going and I really wanted the chance to see the Wishes fireworks from California Grill, so I booked two nights Sat/Sun figuring it had to be on one of those. Then of course I also double booked the alternate (Coral Reef) for Sat/Sun. This way I will simply cancel two ADRs as soon as the schedule is out. I normally wouldn't have done this but in this case I hope it's excusable.

But, that being said, it's the only restaurant I did it for. All the others I just took an estimated guess for show/fireworks/EMH co-ordination based on October and last years schedules and I hope I got it right.

Now I'm worried that my reservations will be cancelled on me! :eek: Has anyone had theirs cancelled before? I just called and so far one of each is still there (I couldn't ask about the duplicates because I didn't want the CM to know!)

ajh88
05-21-2008, 02:07 PM
I think that the system is fair - but what I see complaints about is the timeframe of 180 days out. I don't mind the timing and if I had a more "spur of the moment" trip come up, I'd be willing to settle for what I could get, especially since we always plan on returning for another trip.

And if they shortened the window to 30, 60, or 90 days, how does that improve things? There would still be people who aren't aware that you should make ADRs at all, and the ones who are super-planners will still be calling at 7 am on their morning. I guess it might just be on people's radars more if it is within 1-2 months of the trip instead of 6 months ahead.

I do like the idea of holding a few tables for walk-ups, but I can see the downside there too - I probably wouldn't be overly happy if I had an ADR and walk-ups were being seated before me - how many times have you been in a crowded restaurant ANYWHERE and people are playing the "We got here before THEY did" game?

I'm also not so sure about charging no-show fees (which some places already do) - we were no-shows to a CP breakfast one trip because DD woke up with the stomach flu about 5 hours before our ADR time. By the time she went back to sleep, I did too and slept right through our 8:15 am time - I would have been pretty bummed to have been charged $40 or more for not showing up. I know this is different than just purposely not going, but things happen sometimes. I have always assumed that if a party doesn't check in within 15-20 minutes after their scheduled time, then their ADR is moot.

Karnak
05-21-2008, 02:12 PM
It would be nice if they had either a credit card to charge a no-show fee to or your reservation number and a fee could go on your room charge. Both would be easy. Sure would cut out those mulitple bookings, which make it hard for others to get the restaurants they really want.
I know that most people mean well, and say they will cancel the one they won't be using, but they don't.
So, perhaps a charge for not showing up would work.

I'll drink to that. I've felt like a credit card should be required for every ADR a person makes, and a charge made based upon the number of seats reserved if the reservation isn't canceled within a reasonable time, such time to be far enough before the ADR time to allow for someone else to make an ADR for themselves.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-21-2008, 02:14 PM
I also have no problem with anyone booking multiple ADRs at the same time or within a few hours. I think it is appalling that Disney would cancel without asking people why they were booking two in the same time span for their party and I would hope that with WDW customer service standards they would let the person who they cancelled on in asap when they arrived.

I would be beyond angry if I got to my early lunch ADR and found out they cancelled both my early lunch ADR AND my late lunch ADR that I booked because I wanted a certain place for dinner and couldn't get a dinner ADR so booked a late lunch instead.

I would be GRRRRRRRRRRRR if I got to WDW and I was eating my dinner meal at Marrakesh but found out they cancelled my meal AND my later ADR at Le Cellier where I don't care for the food but had my heart set on a dessert they specialize in there.

I remember one poster once saying she was going to take her girls to CRT while her husband took her boys somewhere else for breakfast. Wow. I bet they'd be furious also, and the kids would be crushed if they were cancelled.

IMO, there are a number of legit reasons I could see to do this and frankly, if I call 180 days out and obtain on a first come first serve basis, that's no one's business but mine and the restaurants. That is what first come, first serve is about and IMO, it's very fair. If you want something specific at a specific time slot and can't be flexible, call at 6:59 am 180 days out and your odds are just as good as anyone else's.

Again, I would LOVE to see cc deposits required on all ADRs to make it so people would not have to worry about these things so far in advance and so that people could book however they felt like booking without being questioned about their choices.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-21-2008, 02:17 PM
I do like the idea of holding a few tables for walk-ups, but I can see the downside there too - I probably wouldn't be overly happy if I had an ADR and walk-ups were being seated before me - how many times have you been in a crowded restaurant ANYWHERE and people are playing the "We got here before THEY did" game?

I thought the point of ADR was that they would give ADRs the next available table to their time frame, and seat walk ups if the ADRs were not there on time.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-21-2008, 02:19 PM
We have found the only way to get into a restaurant the day you decide you want to go is to stay concierge.....the last 3 times we were able to get into every restaurant we had planned on that morning. So they must leave a few open for situations like that.


:thumbsup2 Agreed. AKL concierge has been amazing in getting all my ADRs for me. I got everything I wanted a few weeks ago for Sept. :)

JohnZ46
05-21-2008, 02:27 PM
well now I feel kinda bad.

I have actually double booked on two nights for my ADRs in November. Since the park schedule/hours is sooooo late in posting I really felt I had no choice. Everyone says the major restaurants book so fast and you absolutely have to book certain ones 180 days out, that I was very worried about waiting. It's my first time going and I really wanted the chance to see the Wishes fireworks from California Grill, so I booked two nights Sat/Sun figuring it had to be on one of those. Then of course I also double booked the alternate (Coral Reef) for Sat/Sun. This way I will simply cancel two ADRs as soon as the schedule is out. I normally wouldn't have done this but in this case I hope it's excusable.

But, that being said, it's the only restaurant I did it for. All the others I just took an estimated guess for show/fireworks/EMH co-ordination based on October and last years schedules and I hope I got it right.

Now I'm worried that my reservations will be cancelled on me! :eek: Has anyone had theirs cancelled before? I just called and so far one of each is still there (I couldn't ask about the duplicates because I didn't want the CM to know!)

Personally, I'd like to see the reservation window start at 30 days after the month's calendar is posted.

Our vacation is starting Dec. 1 and, based on the Nov. calendar being over 3 weeks late, we'll be having to make guesses based on last year's schedule.

Brian Noble
05-21-2008, 02:33 PM
I think it is unreasonable to book two meals for the same time expecting to go only to one or the other. If a CM at DRC spots double booking, they will ask why you've booked it that way---unless you've got a plausible story for why you need both (e.g. a large party splitting up), they won't let you keep them both.

That said, people do it, and they are within their rights to do so. I'm sure they are not bothered in the least that I disapprove.

I expect that if faced with evidence of many people doing this, Disney will respond by taking a credit card guarantee and imposing a 24 or 48 hour cancellation period. Cancel within that period or no-show and pay a penalty. I think this is very unlikely, though. I suspect the number of people who legitimately miss a dining reservation (too tired---got hung up in a long line, etc.) far out-numbers the people who double book for flexibility.

In the end, though, the current system isn't so much unfair as insane. I used to make those 180-day ADRs, and have just given up. I always changed them (and usually many times) anyway, so now I reserve the one or two "big ones" that we really want early, but I just fill the rest in as needed much closer to the trip, or possibly even during it. If something isn't available, I'd be happy to eat at the better CS locations, but so far, I've always been able to get something.

Took
05-21-2008, 03:34 PM
I think the current system is "fair" in the strictest sense, but I don't like the 180 days option. It seems to me that 60 days would be more reasonable.

Took

Markstudy
05-21-2008, 03:43 PM
I think the current system is "fair" in the strictest sense, but I don't like the 180 days option. It seems to me that 60 days would be more reasonable.

Took

The bigger question is..... why does Disney do 180 days instead of 60?????

My guess :wizard: ..... 100% of people can figure out where to eat 60 days out... so you would get 4,000 calls at 7:00am on that day..... and since there is no way to handle that kind of volume on a phone-bank... you'd have a lot of unhappy campers :scared:

By doing it at 180 days out.... only 10% of the people are ready with their plan (maybe 400 calls)... then the next 85% of callers drift-in over the next 120 days.... much more manageable from the point-of-view of a phone-bank staff. :rolleyes1

dzorn
05-21-2008, 05:45 PM
Doesn't surprise me that she was wrong...although it was the letter from Disney, which she sent to me, that mentioned encouraging me to book before I got onsite! I don't know if I kept it or not. I'll check my paperwork and post it if I can.

I must say, my "Disney specialist" isn't a real expert on Disney. Last time I was down there I asked about EMHs- whether we could park hop into a park during EMH or if we had to be there early enough to get the wristband. She assured me that we could get into the park at any time. Her boss, who was in the back room, yelled out to us that if we weren't at the park before the regular closing time, we wouldn't be admitted for EMH. That's just one of the things she didn't know about!

Actually she had it right her boss was wrong.

Denise in MI

Island Mouse
05-21-2008, 06:26 PM
I also have no problem with anyone booking multiple ADRs at the same time or within a few hours. <snip>
IMO, there are a number of legit reasons I could see to do this and frankly, if I call 180 days out and obtain on a first come first serve basis, that's no one's business but mine and the restaurants. That is what first come, first serve is about and IMO, it's very fair. If you want something specific at a specific time slot and can't be flexible, call at 6:59 am 180 days out and your odds are just as good as anyone else's.


I agree with this point. Everyone has the same opportunity to call at 180 days out. I never feel bad for planning ahead. If I called this morning and got the chef's table at V&A's for 180 days from now, I wouldn't feel bad for all the people who called after I did trying to get it and were denied. In a way I would feel victorious and I am sure others who get the hard-to-get ADR's (CRT, Le Cellier, etc.) feel the same way. It all comes down to doing what is best for your family, even if it means booking multiple adr's for a single meal. If Disney really wanted to limit it, they would require a credit card for all ADR's. They haven't done that yet so obviously the situation isn't as bad as some make it out to be. I understand it is a bummer to not get the ADR you want when you call less than 180 days out. Just keep trying, maybe someone will cancel...

Tink888
05-21-2008, 08:31 PM
I agree with this point. Everyone has the same opportunity to call at 180 days out. I never feel bad for planning ahead. If I called this morning and got the chef's table at V&A's for 180 days from now, I wouldn't feel bad for all the people who called after I did trying to get it and were denied. In a way I would feel victorious and I am sure others who get the hard-to-get ADR's (CRT, Le Cellier, etc.) feel the same way. It all comes down to doing what is best for your family, even if it means booking multiple adr's for a single meal. If Disney really wanted to limit it, they would require a credit card for all ADR's. They haven't done that yet so obviously the situation isn't as bad as some make it out to be. I understand it is a bummer to not get the ADR you want when you call less than 180 days out. Just keep trying, maybe someone will cancel...

If different members of your party are booking ADR at different places for the same times and you explain to Disney what you're doing, I don't think you run the risk of getting your ADR's canceled.

IMO, The problem with booking multiple ADR's is that it's inconsiderate to other guests. If you're staying for 5 days, you need only book 5 breakfasts/lunches/dinners. Other guests trying to book shouldn't run the risk of being denied because someone else can't make up their mind or decide where they're going to be that day. Not all guests have their trips booked 180 days out. If you do your planning, then you know where you'll be and where you want to eat. Multiple booking is kind of like planning for not having a plan.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but if the logic that "it all comes down to doing what's best for YOUR family applies" and somebody used that logic to justify pool hopping (better for the family to stay in a value and hop on over to SAB) or smoking on a balcony, line cutting, etc., people would be having a fit. I know there are rules against everything I mentioned and there isn't a "rule" against booking multiple ADR's but all of it really comes down to being considerate of other guests. Yes - it is your family's vacation and you want it to be great but you aren't the only one vacationing (and dining) at Disney and it's nice to be considerate of other guests (regardless of whether or not there's a rule in place). Just something to think about. :confused3

Clotho
05-21-2008, 08:59 PM
Considering most restaurants out in the "real world" will take reservations as much as a year in advance, the 180 day mark is a limiter that makes it a little more reasonable timewise for people to be ready to make their decisions. It is difficult to stomach the idea of making plans for dinner for 6 months from now, but it is a fair system and makes sense for a vacation that people start saving and planning for sometimes years in advance.

carj
05-21-2008, 09:31 PM
I think that the ADR system is okay. I was able to get every ADR that I wanted at about 45 day prior to our June 22 trip. (It did take me a couple of calls to get CRT for breakfast :goodvibes )

We have 3 ADRs for our 7 night trip.
CRT breakfast (pre-paid)
Ohana breakfast
Garden Grill lunch
We also have a Pirate cruise (CC required)

I like to enjoy a nice meal as much as the next person but it is just food. That is not why we are going to Disney. If we did not have a single ADR, I would move on and enjoy my trip. We did not do the dining plan because it dining is not the focus of our trip. There are plenty of great places to eat at home, I don't want to spend my trip worried about making a reservation.

I guess from my very limited experience, the ADR system was fair. (I got what I wanted:cool1: )

When we went to Disney in 2000 for our honeymoon, we walked up to places every night for dinner. Some places we were not able to get into but we were able to walk up. It sounds like that is not possible anymore. If I hadn't been reading these boards though, I would not have made ADRs because of my previous experience.

Lady Radington
05-22-2008, 05:58 AM
I do think the current system is fair (if a little crazy!), however i wish it was easier to walk up at the time when you want to eat. That said, last year we went for 14 nights. We didn't make a single ADR until we arrived at our hotel and were able to make reservations only a day or two in advance of when we wanted to go, for most of the places we liked the look of. We are however a couple and do not have kids, so it was very easy for us to do this.

To me it would not be a holiday if i was having to rush around from one place to another, sticking to strict time constraints, as this is what we do in our everyday lives and we like a break from it.

We travel all the way over from the UK and this Summer we are staying for 16 nights. Having to make plans and reservations for 48+ meals well in advance would be a nightmare!

We always research the parks and restaurants before we go to see what we like the look of, what has changed and note the more popular restaurants, but we certainly like to be spontaineous when we get there.

I don't think Disney will do anything, for now, about double booking restaurants, as either way they know someone will fill the table. I see this issue as being a double edged sword really. For those who do like to make reservations in advance it is a hinderance, however so long as the second reservation is cancelled a day or so before, it is a real life-line to those who ask on the off-chance, or walk up that day.

I will not be making any reservations for our 16 night trip in July, partly out of principle, but partly because we have no idea what we will feel like eating on the day.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-22-2008, 06:37 AM
If different members of your party are booking ADR at different places for the same times and you explain to Disney what you're doing, I don't think you run the risk of getting your ADR's canceled.

IMO, The problem with booking multiple ADR's is that it's inconsiderate to other guests. If you're staying for 5 days, you need only book 5 breakfasts/lunches/dinners. Other guests trying to book shouldn't run the risk of being denied because someone else can't make up their mind or decide where they're going to be that day. Not all guests have their trips booked 180 days out. If you do your planning, then you know where you'll be and where you want to eat. Multiple booking is kind of like planning for not having a plan.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but if the logic that "it all comes down to doing what's best for YOUR family applies" and somebody used that logic to justify pool hopping (better for the family to stay in a value and hop on over to SAB) or smoking on a balcony, line cutting, etc., people would be having a fit. I know there are rules against everything I mentioned and there isn't a "rule" against booking multiple ADR's but all of it really comes down to being considerate of other guests. Yes - it is your family's vacation and you want it to be great but you aren't the only one vacationing (and dining) at Disney and it's nice to be considerate of other guests (regardless of whether or not there's a rule in place). Just something to think about. :confused3

I guess if you want to spend your whole trip being nice to other guests, go for it. Personally, my only concern when I am on a $3000 vacation is the enjoyment of myself and the people I am with. Your comparisons don't make a lot of sense to me. I wouldn't pool hop, because I am not paying for whatever pool I might be hopping to (and it just seems annoying to travel to swim at another resort). I wouldn't smoke (if I was a smoker, which I am not, but have traveled with one) in a non-smoking area. I wouldn't line cut because line rules are first come, first serve. The same as the ADR line.

The difference is, you are paying for that pool at your hotel. It is clearly posted that you are not allowed to smoke on the balcony and if it is not posted then it is presumed to be allowed. Line cutting is a weird comparison. I am pretty sure line cutting is not allowed but common sense says first come first serve. Just like ADRs.

If multiple ADRs were such a big problem, Disney would strictly forbid it or require cc deposits (something I would GLADLY pay to end this nonsense).

I have multiple ADRs for my Sept. trip and I have absolutely no intent of cancelling or skipping any of them. They are not for the same restaurants and they are for different times, but several days I have an early lunch and a late lunch and one night I have an early dinner and a late dinner. At least 3 CMs at the dining line have told me they will absolutely not be cancelling my ADRs.

It is ridiculous, IMO, to get all upset about what other people do on vacation. Everyone has the same chance to book whatever they want at 180 days out. If they don't then that's really not anyone's fault but their own for not planning ahead.

Sorry, but on my vacation, I don't honestly care about what other people are doing. I only care about my group's enjoyment and that is my focus and I'm going to book meals in a way that works for us. I guess that makes me a horrible person in the eyes of some but I really do not care. ;)

You know, I really think WDW should go back to allowing walk ups when the ADRs are not there on time like they used to do. This would alleviate most of the problem.

You have an ADR. You show up at your time. If you show up 20 minutes late, an a walk up showed up at your time, you just might have to wait...

thegrimdwarf
05-22-2008, 06:44 AM
I guess if you want to spend your whole trip being nice to other guests, go for it. Personally, my only concern when I am on a $3000 vacation is the enjoyment of myself and the people I am with.

Wow. I sure hope I don't run across you and the only people you care about in the parks.

Just an FYI -- everyone else has to pay, too.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-22-2008, 06:50 AM
Wow. I sure hope I don't run across you and the only people you care about in the parks.

Just an FYI -- everyone else has to pay, too.

Really? They Do? :rolleyes:

I have never been inconsiderate of another person in any of the parks whatsoever. I seriously fail to see how my eating an early lunch at 11:30 and then a late lunch around 2:30 impacts anyone in any way shape or form. If they wanted to eat at wherever I am eating that badly, they could have called and beat me to it.

It's not as though I am shoving children out of the way to get on the rides.

thegrimdwarf
05-22-2008, 06:55 AM
Really? They do?:rolleyes:

I have never been inconsiderate of another person in any of the parks whatsoever. I seriously fail to see how my eating an early lunch at 11:30 and then a late lunch around 2:30 impacts anyone in any way shape or form. If they wanted to eat at wherever I am eating that badly, they could have called and beat me to it.

It's not as though I am shoving children out of the way to get on rides.

Hey, you're the one who declared a complete lack of concern for anyone but yourself. It doesn't have anything to do with your dinner reservations.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-22-2008, 07:10 AM
I am not going to ruin this thread or take it OT by arguing with you. Just one last point and that is I would be willing to bet most people who are on vacation at WDW are there for their family time and that their primary interest on vacation is their own family.

How only being concerned with your own family and doing what works best for you on vacation (within the rules) translates suddenly into = "rude" is puzzling to me. :confused3

Back to the topic at hand...

thegrimdwarf
05-22-2008, 07:15 AM
I am not going to ruin this thread or take it OT by arguing with you. Just one last point and that is I would be willing to bet most people who are on vacation at WDW are there for their family time and that their primary interest on vacation is their own family.

How only being concerned with your own family and doing what works best for you on vacation (within the rules) translates suddenly into = "rude" is puzzling to me. :confused3

Back to the topic at hand...

Good enough, but I do have to say there's a vast difference between your family being your "primary" concern and your "only" concern. There's a LOT of really rude behavior in the world, and if more people stopped acting like they're the center of the universe, things might be different.

emmabemmainc
05-22-2008, 07:40 AM
Good enough, but I do have to say there's a vast difference between your family being your "primary" concern and your "only" concern. There's a LOT of really rude behavior in the world, and if more people stopped acting like they're the center of the universe, things might be different.


ITA.

I probably shouldn't be shocked at the PP's attitude, but I still am. That's a good thing, right??!! Wow. I wish I could be that self-centered. It would probably make things a lot easier for me. ;)

asmit4
05-22-2008, 08:19 AM
ITA.

I probably shouldn't be shocked at the PP's attitude, but I still am. That's a good thing, right??!! Wow. I wish I could be that self-centered. It would probably make things a lot easier for me. ;)

I agree, and I have to say that most people on the DISboards also agree with you even if they don't come out and say it. I also think I would rather a poster come on, and say "this is who I am, this is what I think, and I know it's wrong" vs. a poster that says "this is who I am, this is what I think and I'm right".

I fully admit there are things that I do that are a bit selfish or self centered now and then but I at least have the ability to know better.

thegrimdwarf
05-22-2008, 08:24 AM
ITA.

I probably shouldn't be shocked at the PP's attitude, but I still am. That's a good thing, right??!!

Indeed it is it a good thing! I was hoping for a 'well, maybe I didn't word that right' or something...but sometimes, people tell you all you need to know about them with very few words.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-22-2008, 08:33 AM
I can honestly say I am absolutely shocked that so many people would have a problem with someone eating at 11:30 and then at 2:30 and would equate that to being a rude person. That is what works for me with the way I eat. I can not stomach food when I first wake up and I can't sleep if I eat really late...

So I'm curious, why is that wrong?

thegrimdwarf
05-22-2008, 08:36 AM
I can honestly say I am absolutely shocked that so many people would have a problem with someone eating at 11:30 and then at 2:30 and would equate that to being a rude person. That is what works for me with the way I eat. I can not stomach food when I first wake up and I can't sleep if I eat really late...

So I'm curious, why is that wrong?

As I've already said, it's got NOTHING to do with your dining plans.

emmabemmainc
05-22-2008, 08:58 AM
Indeed it is it a good thing! I was hoping for a 'well, maybe I didn't word that right' or something...but sometimes, people tell you all you need to know about them with very few words.

Yeah, that would have been nice. I don't think the PP understands that she can eat whenever she wants to--no one cares about that. I just don't get the, "I couldn't care less about anyone else, I just want to be happy" attitude. That's all. I think making other people happy once in a while, makes me happy---and if everyone had the pp's attitude, what an even worse world we would live in.

Tink888
05-22-2008, 09:17 AM
I guess if you want to spend your whole trip being nice to other guests, go for it. Personally, my only concern when I am on a $3000 vacation is the enjoyment of myself and the people I am with. Your comparisons don't make a lot of sense to me. I wouldn't pool hop, because I am not paying for whatever pool I might be hopping to (and it just seems annoying to travel to swim at another resort). I wouldn't smoke (if I was a smoker, which I am not, but have traveled with one) in a non-smoking area. I wouldn't line cut because line rules are first come, first serve. The same as the ADR line.

The difference is, you are paying for that pool at your hotel. It is clearly posted that you are not allowed to smoke on the balcony and if it is not posted then it is presumed to be allowed. Line cutting is a weird comparison. I am pretty sure line cutting is not allowed but common sense says first come first serve. Just like ADRs.

If multiple ADRs were such a big problem, Disney would strictly forbid it or require cc deposits (something I would GLADLY pay to end this nonsense).

I have multiple ADRs for my Sept. trip and I have absolutely no intent of cancelling or skipping any of them. They are not for the same restaurants and they are for different times, but several days I have an early lunch and a late lunch and one night I have an early dinner and a late dinner. At least 3 CMs at the dining line have told me they will absolutely not be cancelling my ADRs.

It is ridiculous, IMO, to get all upset about what other people do on vacation. Everyone has the same chance to book whatever they want at 180 days out. If they don't then that's really not anyone's fault but their own for not planning ahead.

Sorry, but on my vacation, I don't honestly care about what other people are doing. I only care about my group's enjoyment and that is my focus and I'm going to book meals in a way that works for us. I guess that makes me a horrible person in the eyes of some but I really do not care. ;)

You know, I really think WDW should go back to allowing walk ups when the ADRs are not there on time like they used to do. This would alleviate most of the problem.

You have an ADR. You show up at your time. If you show up 20 minutes late, an a walk up showed up at your time, you just might have to wait...

I think you might be misunderstanding what I mean when I refer to making multiple ADRs - I am referring to when someone for example makes an 4:00ADR at Tony's in MK and also makes a 5:00 ADR for Coral Reef at Epcot because they can't decide what they want or which park they'll be at. I am not referring to someone who wants an early lunch AND a late lunch.

And no, it doesn't UPSET me - I'm not going to lose any sleep over what someone else does but personally I do think it's inconsiderate and I made the comparison to other inconsiderate behaviors that have been posted many times on the boards. I don't spend a whole lot of time worrying about what other people do, whether they're on vacation or not, but I will post my opinion which is all that this is, my opinion.

And yes, I do like to spend my vacation trying to be considerate of others. I like to spend my time back home being that way too. It tends to make life a little more pleasant for me, my family and the rest of the people who share the planet with me. I think you get back what you give in life. JMO :)

DISNEYFOS
05-22-2008, 09:27 AM
I knew the multiple ADR people were out there :lmao:

Lemme give you a scenario. You got a little 4 year old with her parents on her first trip to Disney World. She's thrilled. She's in the Parks and she sees Tigger and Friends at the Crystal Palace. Oh Mommy can I please go there!! Please Can we each Lunch there. Even though her mom might have researched and made ADRs at other places .. She would love to make her daughters trip a little more magical by making a Lunch ADR with Tigger at the last minute.

But guess what..She can't. She called and they have no reservations available for the 4 days they are there..Because you called at 180 days and made an ADR for your customary 3rd lunch that day that I'd be willing to bet the $3K I spent on my vaca you are going to decide your not hungry. Two table service meals within two hours is a bit hard to swallow. (pun intended)

To each their own attitudes/every man for themselves aren't very nice.

DISNEYFOS
05-22-2008, 09:44 AM
And yes, I do like to spend my vacation trying to be considerate of others. I like to spend my time back home being that way too. It tends to make life a little more pleasant for me, my family and the rest of the people who share the planet with me. I think you get back what you give in life. JMO :)

Absolutely! We are all modeling behavior for our children. I for one want my daughters to grow up knowing how important it is to be considerate of others.

You shouldn't have to make rules just to make people think of others for goodness sake. "I won't cut lines, because its a rule" wow! Thank goodness for those rules or we would all be in trouble :rotfl2:

GoldieSaysMeep
05-22-2008, 09:58 AM
So if I cancel one of my ADRs because I get sick or decide I am not hungry, they won't allow someone else to take it? I always thought cancelled ADRs opened back up to the public? :confused3

The entire ADR system is just incredibly weird and confusing to me. I've been to WDW over 30 times over the years and never even considered making an ADR until I started lurking on these boards for my upcoming trip. Never got turned away from anywhere either making ressies the same morning. I never cared for character meals but maybe those are different? IDK. I always made same days with no problems but apparently it's gotten way more difficult since last year.

If Disney allowed a percentage of tables for walk ups, or only held ADRs for so long after they were scheduled before giving them over to walk ups, then the kid who wanted to see Tigger would probably be able to.

I bolded that because I do truly think something like "we will hold your ADR for 15 minutes" or "we will allow 5%-10% for walk ups" would alleviate a lot of the problems, across the board.

At any rate, I fully plan on hitting every ADR I made. The amazing food is half the reason I go to WDW. :thumbsup2

thegrimdwarf
05-22-2008, 10:22 AM
I'm so laughing at this right now. My 4 year old tries the old 'let me try to keep the focus on the thing you keep telling me was fine' routine, too. :rotfl:

mickeyluv'r
05-22-2008, 10:23 AM
I thikn WDw also does good job of asking new folks about makingADr's. It was my assupmption that if you call and pick new guest on the phone tree, you get a CM who tells you how it is a bit. I've been many times, so I don't get those CM's. I think if Disney CM's tell you you should mkae ADR's, and ask every time you call if you need them, and you don't make them then you deserve what you get.

I do think thye chould allow a few walk ups though....at just about every dining place. not the pre-park opening ADRs at CP - but there are always folks getting tunred down at CP - they should hold a few slots open.

GoldieSaysMeep
05-22-2008, 10:45 AM
I think part of the issue is that people who have been a bunch of times don't get those CMs. That's a really good point. If you have been a bunch of times, but not in the last year, you probably don't know you HAVE to make ADR now. I didn't.

Also, a lot of people book online and never talk to a CM.

I think Disney should really make it clear to people if they want a certain ADR they need to call and book it 180 days out.

Mackey Mouse
05-22-2008, 10:59 AM
There seems to be some issues on this thread... people following people and making snide remarks resulting in sarcastic replies all against Dis guidelines.

Now I can go in and delete and give you points for doing that, but I think that after 6 pages, you are not going to change each other's minds on whether or not you are think the ADR system is fair at WDW...

So seeing that this is veering in the direction of people fighting... I am locking this thread..