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WWEDUDE
04-20-2008, 01:36 PM
I am just curious as to what you think about this matter.

jasonpwns
04-20-2008, 01:48 PM
I believe they shouldn't be able to do quest since its just like cheating, I'm sure alot of people here use clones and that's the main reason there voting yes since they don't want to face the facts there cheating and using other accounts to gain items and no it's not "EARNING" it because guess what you have done the quest you know all the answers and the steps! It's not fair to people with just one vmk account. I have about 4 mules and I never once used them to gain items for my use, I understand if you give the stuff away but if you keep it to trade your just plain GREEDY. In my ranking they fit next to scammers if they keep the stuff for themselves.

taz
04-20-2008, 01:57 PM
Yea... tons do that

WWEDUDE
04-20-2008, 01:59 PM
I believe they shouldn't be able to do quest since its just like cheating, I'm sure alot of people here use clones and that's the main reason there voting yes since they don't want to face the facts there cheating and using other accounts to gain items and no it's not "EARNING" it because guess what you have done the quest you know all the answers and the steps! It's not fair to people with just one vmk account. I have about 4 mules and I never once used them to gain items for my use, I understand if you give the stuff away but if you keep it to trade your just plain GREEDY. In my ranking they fit next to scammers if they keep the stuff for themselves.

Well quests are different from something like a host event, if that was the case it might be a different story. But gaining items from quests, then using them to build, etc. I can't see anything wrong with. If VMK said don't use mules, I wouldn't. Also, just b/c you know answers doesn't make you a scammer, because you still need to play quests. And most people don't remember 52 answers. Plus with this quest lasting throughout the month, most people wont make a profit of them if VMK is closing 21 days after the quest ends.

taz
04-20-2008, 02:00 PM
Well quests are different from something like a host event, if that was the case it might be a different story. But gaining items from quests, then using them to build, etc. I can't see anything wrong with. If VMK said don't use mules, I wouldn't. Also, just b/c you know answers doesn't make you a scammer, because you still need to play quests. And most people don't remember 52 answers. Plus with this quest lasting throughout the month, most people wont make a profit of them if VMK is closing 21 days after the quest ends.

Good point, if they said not to do it, I wouldnt do it either :)

vmkfan13
04-20-2008, 02:10 PM
I've done it before, so I shouldn't be against it.. :rolleyes1

angelcake170
04-20-2008, 02:12 PM
I think as long as they don't do it for they're own matter, it's fine =) I am actually doing the quests for thesupersmartguy, because he is in WDW and is unable to quest right now.

disvaclub92
04-20-2008, 02:19 PM
I think as long as they don't do it for they're own matter, it's fine =) I am actually doing the quests for thesupersmartguy, because he is in WDW and is unable to quest right now.

I agree I know a few peeps who are away. I got them covered just in case they dont get a chance to do it. In addition, there are some of us who like to do ROAK (Random Acts of Kindness). It it not for the need to have stuff, more for the need to make it magical for someone else.:goodvibes

Jasonbobdude
04-20-2008, 02:27 PM
I did the quest with another account, but mostly just to get another half of the pirate bridge. What were they thinking only giving us one half, anyway? I might give out some of the other extra prizes for free.

VMK_Mouse
04-20-2008, 04:08 PM
At this point, I do not think it matters. :( I picked the first option.

Mintz
04-20-2008, 04:56 PM
I picked the 3rd option. Its kinda unfair if they got the prizes from the clones. If they played with 2 accounts or something and just wanted to get the quest done on both, its fine.

Shaymojack
04-20-2008, 05:08 PM
I think it's okay if it's a Q button quest, because you aren't taking away anyone else's chance to get the items. But I think it's wrong for someone's personal quest, since they have a limited number of items.

supermonkey
04-20-2008, 05:22 PM
i voted yes.

swimmingneno
04-20-2008, 05:23 PM
I think it's okay if it's a Q button quest, because you aren't taking away anyone else's chance to get the items. But I think it's wrong for someone's personal quest, since they have a limited number of items.

agreed! :thumbsup2

CutieEm
04-20-2008, 05:24 PM
agreed! :thumbsup2

Agreed to the agreed :woohoo:

Ailaena
04-20-2008, 05:59 PM
I have to be honest, after seeing the prizes for these quests, I seriously wish I would have made multiple clones!! Heck, just ONE would have been something...

Oh well... Too late now:sad2:

WWEDUDE
04-20-2008, 06:07 PM
I have to be honest, after seeing the prizes for these quests, I seriously wish I would have made multiple clones!! Heck, just ONE would have been something...

Oh well... Too late now:sad2:

You can register at any other Disney site then sign in with that and create a clone. :thumbsup2

swimmingneno
04-20-2008, 06:21 PM
You can register at any other Disney site then sign in with that and create a clone. :thumbsup2

Yuppers! Just figured that out today!

cat_herder
04-20-2008, 08:18 PM
Chill out, it's just pixel on a screen.
And getting ahead in this world is what the world is about.
How do you think rich people get rich; because they only do the least amount of work?

FunkyMonkey
04-20-2008, 08:37 PM
Personally, if it's a Q-button quest, I wouldnt care if clones also did it. But if it was a big quest like the Blackhearts Treasure Quest [Not sure if that was what it was called...] that we had and we had to play pirates together, I would hate for someone to move their clone in there after finishing the quest with your main character and not helping friends to finish pirates. Just my opinion though. :)

Thinking it over, I should have chosen the third one...:surfweb:

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/snailly946/monkey/CUTEBUNNEH.gif

DisPlayer
04-21-2008, 11:07 AM
If a person has a clone and plays it, why should that bother other people? Not like vmk is going to run out of the virtual prize there offering. I had clones and Played them everyday. they had friends, and built rooms, and went on quests. Why are clones looked upon as a evil thing? Vmk had server issues, so can't use the excuse, the clones caused it.

mikeyandscoobyx2
04-21-2008, 11:13 AM
In my opinion, what does it matter if they do? Big deal. They are earning every item from the quests fair and square. VMK is closing, what are they going to do with 52,000 credits. Buy a kiosk and give the rest of the remains to their main account? Wow. If people are complaining that they are cheating, they are not seeing the fact that, they too, can do the quest multiple times. I don't want to sound mean here, sorry if I do. I just feel it's pretty dumb to say that's cheating. (if you did say it was heh)

Edit: herder, you are definetley right. The people I see in VMK with the most items, are usually the ones busy most of the time playing games, and trading.

Eeyore's Pal
04-21-2008, 12:06 PM
Since Disney allows it, I would have to say that clones are OK.

But how many? One, two, or three doesn't sound like a problem to me.

On the other hand, I think that the people that have ten or fifteen clones are abusing the system. They're preventing single players from getting through the host games, and by transfering inventory and credits on such a massive scale they have skewed the playing field for the majority of players.

mikeyandscoobyx2
04-21-2008, 12:11 PM
Since Disney allows it, I would have to say that clones are OK.

But how many? One, two, or three doesn't sound like a problem to me.

On the other hand, I think that the people that have ten or fifteen clones are abusing the system. They're preventing single players from getting through the host games, and by transfering inventory and credits on such a massive scale they have skewed the playing field for the majority of players.

:thumbsup2

lindseysmomma
04-21-2008, 12:30 PM
How does someone going throught the q button quest multiple times affect anyone? You arent taking away from anyone by doing it multiple times. And like cat_herder said they are pixels on a screen.

KrazyPete
04-21-2008, 12:47 PM
I think you just need to use some common sense. Any quest that you start by going to a Quest Kiosk has a limited number of prizes. Let every one have a chance and don't mule it.

On the Q button quests, sometimes you shouldn't mule them either. When there are lines to get into any of the rooms required for the quest then I don't think you should mule it. Blackheart's first quest is an excellent example. It was all some people could do to finish it one time and they sometimes they had to wait 30 minutes or more to get into the pirate lobby.

I decided not to mule the second Blackheart quest this weekend. I did run four accounts through the green quest because it was easy, fairly late in the day and there were no backups on any of the tasks. I needed some of those pieces for a room I'm building and they've never been offered for sale.

It's pretty simple... don't be greedy! :thumbsup2

cteddiesgirl
04-21-2008, 02:27 PM
Since Disney allows it, I would have to say that clones are OK.

But how many? One, two, or three doesn't sound like a problem to me.

On the other hand, I think that the people that have ten or fifteen clones are abusing the system. They're preventing single players from getting through the host games, and by transfering inventory and credits on such a massive scale they have skewed the playing field for the majority of players.

How?

I have a total of 22 current characters. I've been wanted to weed some of them out, but I just can't bring myself to do it.
But, I don't use them for host rooms and I don't use them to do personal quests multiple times.
How can you transfer credits from a "mule" to your main character? It's a waste and kinda dumb to buy stuff, trade it to you main and sell it for credits. You're losing credits that way. It's also a waste to buy a kiosk at 30K to trade credits over.
I play my mules fairly regularly and increase their credits. All but about 4 of them even have the tomorrowland quest pins. A few even have their own clothes, pins, furniture, rooms and friends. Most of them I've have for more than a year. Many of them I've had almost then entire time I've beenn playing.

I don't think I've skewed anything. I only got Inferno after it went to the DMR program. There's still quite a few things that I don't have at all. And many more that I only have 1 or maybe 2 of. I have given away things to strangers (and DISers) many times. Especially if I have a lot of something.

I've worked very hard for the last 2.5 year to get what I have. I have not cheated nor scammed anyone out of anything. I've used my own judgement on being fair to others.

I don't think that anyone should judge anyone based on how many characters they play.

Mnementh
04-21-2008, 03:10 PM
It's been said already, but I have to second, or third, or tenth it. Everybody who finishes the quest gets the prize when it's a Q button quest. No one is actually losing out if someone does it on 15 or 50 different characters. Between me and my fiance, we have six characters and I do Q button quests on a MINIMUM of two characters (my main and my fiance's main). I rarely do quests on all six, but a lot of times, I'll do it on three or four. Do you all still get your prizes even though I've done the quest multiple times? Yes, you do.

I took the time to go through all the tasks repeatedly, sometimes taking hours, so I think that work deserves the prizes the quest gives. The same goes for anyone who has the patience to run multiple characters through the quests.

disvaclub92
04-21-2008, 03:18 PM
Just to give some history about clones. When VMK started, credit payout was not that great. Think how Ned pays now, that was on average what your pay was and you depended on your daily NPC's and such. If you were skilled in Fireworks you had a chance, to earn more, but still not that great. Pirates, still pay was not that reasonable. Mansion did not come out until December, 2005. Then we were in the money.

But until Mansion, the really only way at that time to earn credits to build was to create clones and utilize the codes that gave you points. With each clone you could obtain 2500 credits. So while I was on board during Beta, my shopping choices were more about clothes then furnishings. By the time I decided I wanted to build, was late August, beta items gone and creating characters "clones, done.key, mules" to fund my building started.

In addition, if only male clothing came out, I needed a male clone. I had a character to hold my extra clothing and extra pins since trading was so laggy if you maintained alot of inventory on your main.

My daughter and I used two this weekend to help people quest. Why, because our friends lists are full and people needed a quick add friends. My daughter worked the mine to help people get through to end the quest. In addition, we also were able to help with people to get through pirates.

So with cteddiesgirl, I have grown attached to my clones.

Disneychick74
04-21-2008, 03:25 PM
I believe they shouldn't be able to do quest since its just like cheating, I'm sure alot of people here use clones and that's the main reason there voting yes since they don't want to face the facts there cheating and using other accounts to gain items and no it's not "EARNING" it because guess what you have done the quest you know all the answers and the steps! It's not fair to people with just one vmk account. I have about 4 mules and I never once used them to gain items for my use, I understand if you give the stuff away but if you keep it to trade your just plain GREEDY. In my ranking they fit next to scammers if they keep the stuff for themselves.

I don't understand why ppl think muling is "cheating"
Anyone can have mules, Yavn even said in a newsletter once it was "OK" to have more than one character as long as you didn't get carried away.

I don't feel like I am "Cheating" you can make more than one character as well..if you choose not too than that is your perogative but cheating to me means having an unfair advantage...this is not the case here you just CHOOSE not to use mules.

Now..I will NOT use a mule on a host game or event because personally I do not think it is fair to hog all the host time and prizes..but on a Q button quest??? HECK YEA!

GoofyWaterCoaster
04-21-2008, 03:42 PM
I guess you Dis peeps will know why I have so many more 5* magics in the near future ... :rolleyes1

I agree that you shouldn't clog up Host Games, but Q button? There is no line for a Q

And you do have to work for the extra prizes. Each Blackheart Gold quest takes about 20 minutes

And it's not FAIR to people with one account? You can make mules just like we can!

taz
04-21-2008, 03:56 PM
Its fun trying to read the names under "Yes"

VMK_Mouse
04-21-2008, 04:12 PM
Taking into consideration that we have 4 more weeks to play, I think instead of arguing and getting wound up over what is okay and what isn't and who has advantage and who doesn't, everybody should enjoy what little bit is left of the game. :)

Side note: Some of the people who complain about this kind of stuff have more sparrow, firewalls, minnie hats and pirate Q than I have ever seen. @_@ Talk about the playing field not being even. LOL

TikiIslander
04-21-2008, 04:18 PM
Yavn said it's okay, as long as you don't get carried away- I don't know the exact quote, but he was really vague. I think most people would have a different definition of what "carried away" might be, and their own ethics for using mules. I've seen lots of discussions about this type of thing and it just makes people get really defensive about their gameplay.

It's pretty interesting to see how people handle their mules- I watched one guy do a trade-over to his main account (or head mule?) and it had to have been at least 45 minutes that account after account would come into the room, trade, then leave so the next guy could come through. I'm sure under his definition of "carried away" and "appropriate use", he was well within the boundaries.

I think that once your muling (or any aggressive method of play) gets in the way of others participating and having fun, it's time to step back and think.

And as a side note, I fully expect everyone to send a letter (and a flat?) to Disney on behalf of each of their mules.:laughing: :yay:

LuckyOrchidEffect
04-21-2008, 04:19 PM
Taking into consideration that we have 4 more weeks to play, I think instead of arguing and getting wound up over what is okay and what isn't and who has advantage and who doesn't, everybody should enjoy what little bit is left of the game. :)

Side note: Some of the people who complain about this kind of stuff have more sparrow, firewalls, minnie hats and pirate Q than I have ever seen. @_@ Talk about the playing field not being even. LOL

Completely agree! I do the quests with all my characters, but I use the items in my rooms. Sure makes it look better when you have more than one of something when you're going for a theme.

cteddiesgirl
04-21-2008, 04:25 PM
Side note: Some of the people who complain about this kind of stuff have more sparrow, firewalls, minnie hats and pirate Q than I have ever seen. @_@ Talk about the playing field not being even. LOL

So true. I have yet to even manage to get 1 Sparrow costume, let alone 2 or more. :sad1:
I lost my Minnie hat due to the VMK inventory system and just finally got it back after completely that nightmare quest just 1 time.
Not to mention the in park quest items.


And as a side note, I fully expect everyone to send a letter (and a flat?) to Disney on behalf of each of their mules.:laughing: :yay:
I am. Especially my Holiday characters that I used to just anonymously give away presents. I want to add something to them saying something like "please let me come back to give away my presents next holiday season". :)