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Spokker
03-01-2008, 02:53 AM
UPDATE: I posted this exact same thread on another message board. While I did receive some replies disagreeing with me and some agreeing with me, no one called me a troll. In fact they did something much more amazing, they worked with my concerns and gave me some good ideas on how to get to WDW for less.

I am now seriously reconsidering a trip to WDW based on new information. Thanks for nothing disboards.com.


Growing up I had always wanted to visit Walt Disney World. I'm a Southern California native who has been to Disneyland many times throughout my life but Disney World was always in the back of my mind. Last Spring I was so close to booking the trip that I could almost feel the humidity. Here's why I ultimately chose not to and visit Tokyo Disney instead.

Attractions I wanted to see were gone - Horizons was the major spark igniting my interest to go to Disney World ever since I was a kid. It's the kind of attraction I've always dreamed of, and even today, enjoy it through an excellent DVD quality ride-through I found on the Internet. Mission: Space just doesn't seem that interesting to me.

World of Motion was another classic Epcot attraction I wish I could have experienced. Test Track looks like an abomination. I can't fathom how anyone could prefer this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/TestTrack.jpg) to this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/WorldofMotion.jpg). I hope GM got their money's worth, because WDW guests sure didn't.

There were other things I didn't like. Alien Encounter turned into Stitch Encounter or something like that. 20,000 Leagues transformed into a Winnie the Pooh play area. A lot of things that would have otherwise attracted me to WDW were gone. I also didn't like the idea of the Tiki Room: Under New Management. That's not something I can support and I just didn't want to go anywhere near it.

Already, I'm pretty disgruntled, but I was still willing to go.

Transportation - I wanted to see Islands of Adventure in addition to the four parks at WDW, but there was no reliable, easy way to do it outside of renting a car or taking a taxi, two things I had no intention of doing. Much of the advice centered around taking a public bus but that the ride was slow. Others suggested staying off-site but I didn't want to rely on hotel shuttles.

I was also disappointed at the transportation system at WDW itself. When I think of Disney World I think of sleek, fast, and reliable monorails, not buses, which were a nightmare as far as I read, especially when it's busy. I became bitter that Disney World has not expanded its monorail system since the 80s and pretty much lost all faith in the technology.

Being a rail enthusiast I was enticed by Tokyo's entirely grade-separated, reliable, and always on-time rail network. I discovered that it would be so much easier to get to non-Disney destinations in Japan. I enjoyed riding on Japanese trains almost as much as seeing DisneySea.

General lack of upkeep - I must admit that columnist Kevin Yee had a hand in this, whose updates on WDW were like weekly "What's broken this week at WDW?" reports. I get bent out of shape when I see a burnt out lightbulb at Disneyland and I'm just a SoCal passholder. When you're shelling out almost 3 grand for a trip to Disney World that stuff is even harder to swallow.

Bad Policies - There are many policies I don't like at WDW, some of which I knew then and some of which I learned more recently.

The holiday surcharge for eating on certain busy dates at certain restaurants.

Not including tips in some Disney Dining Plan anymore.

Not keeping the park open late for all paying guests, instead opting to hold special events like the Halloween and Christmas parties.

Early Entry, another "illusion of value" feature where Disney saves money on operating costs but you think you're getting something extra.

Some of these would have affected me, some would not, but they are not policies I want to support with my wallet.

Conclusion - I was very close to booking the trip. I had everything planned out, from what parks we would visit on what days, choice of hotels, and how we were going to pay for it. Everything was a go and all I had to do was book, and in the 11th hour I said, "You know what? This is stupid." I felt like a moron, a sucker, for even considering Disney World in its current state, and decided that it just wasn't worth it.

I decided to visit Tokyo Disney instead because of DisneySea, the desire to visit another country, my interest in rail mass transit, and the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than WDW. Even today if I had to choose, I would visit TDR again before WDW.

If you have anything to add, such as how Disney World has possibly improved since last year and/or how a trip could be easily made despite my grievances, please do so.

CleveRocks
03-01-2008, 04:54 AM
There's a whole world out there to see, of which WDW is but a speck, so far be it from me to tell you that you "should" go vacation there. Vacations are fun, and are all about our opinions and preferences, so we have to be happy with our choices. But since you ask, I do want to comment on some of your comments. Attractions I wanted to see were gone - Horizons was the major spark igniting my interest to go to Disney World ever since I was a kid. It's the kind of attraction I've always dreamed of, and even today, enjoy it through an excellent DVD quality ride-through I found on the Internet. Mission: Space just doesn't seem that interesting to me.

World of Motion was another classic Epcot attraction I wish I could have experienced. Test Track looks like an abomination. I can't fathom how anyone could prefer this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/TestTrack.jpg) to this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/WorldofMotion.jpg). I hope GM got their money's worth, because WDW guests sure didn't.

There were other things I didn't like. Alien Encounter turned into Stitch Encounter or something like that. 20,000 Leagues transformed into a Winnie the Pooh play area. A lot of things that would have otherwise attracted me to WDW were gone. I also didn't like the idea of the Tiki Room: Under New Management. That's not something I can support and I just didn't want to go anywhere near it.We can't live in the past. If it were important to me to vacation somewhere where nothing had ever been closed, replaced, overhauled, changed, or demolished, I'd be limited to someplace that just opened a few years ago. Like Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic ... but then again I could pine for the natural unspoiled beauty that used to be there before the government decided the area should be developed, and thus maybe I wouldn't be able to enjoy what's there now. Otherwise, literally every place in the world has places that aren't there anymore, or have substantially changed, etc. Seriously, in this regard you have set criteria that are impossible to satisfy.

And on a personal note ... Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management, in my opinion, is not only hilarious (as opposed to the original boring version), it's a welcome respite in the air conditioning in an otherwise run-around busy day.

As for World of Motion versus Test Track ... I always thought WoM was a big snore. Test Track is not "The Best Thing Ever," but it's a fun experience that's worth the time. As for the photos you compare in your links, it's improper to compare a stylized, well-lit, well-composed nighttime photo with a very plain ordinary snapshot taken in harsh daylight; it's comparing apples and oranges. If you were to see a poorly-composed, harsh daylight snapshot of WoM, it wouldn't look very impressive ... just another building. I'm a photography hobbyist and I sell my work. I have a cherished photo from a trip to San Francisco, a shot of the Bay Bridge that is just one of the most beautiful shots I've ever seen, due mostly to the colors in the sky and the cloud formations. But my shots of the Golden Gate Bridge look like a hyperactive and colorblind 8-year-old took them. But in reality, if you were to compare the 2 bridges, which is more visually appealing in real life?


Transportation - I wanted to see Islands of Adventure in addition to the four parks at WDW, but there was no reliable, easy way to do it outside of renting a car or taking a taxi, two things I had no intention of doing. Much of the advice centered around taking a public bus but that the ride was slow. Others suggested staying off-site but I didn't want to rely on hotel shuttles.
I understand your feeling about this, but I don't understand your logic about this. "I don't want to go to WDW because they won't provide me free transportation to a competitor"??? In my opinion, hardly a reason to not visit somewhere. Just where in the world can you go that will conveniently transport you to a competitor, where you wouldn't have to take a taxi or rent a car to get to??? Again, I think your expectations are unrealistic in this regard. Your complaint here, in my opinion, isn't so much about WDW as it is about geography and capitalism.

I was also disappointed at the transportation system at WDW itself. When I think of Disney World I think of sleek, fast, and reliable monorails, not buses, which were a nightmare as far as I read, especially when it's busy. I became bitter that Disney World has not expanded its monorail system since the 80s and pretty much lost all faith in the technology.

Being a rail enthusiast I was enticed by Tokyo's entirely grade-separated, reliable, and always on-time rail network. I discovered that it would be so much easier to get to non-Disney destinations in Japan. I enjoyed riding on Japanese trains almost as much as seeing DisneySea.
Again, here you are saying you won't enjoy something because it doesn't live up to an unrealistic expectation you have. That would be like be refusing to visit L.A. because their subway system never developed the way it was supposed to. If I look at only what isn't there that I think should be there, I really couldn't visit anywhere in the world.

As neat as the monorails are, I think having concrete beams crisscrossing the entire area would look rather ugly.

And you mention the bus system being a "nightmare" ... well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but there are millions of people, like me, who think the bus system is a dream and not a nightmare. But if you are going to seek out the negative, you will always find it.

Early Entry, another "illusion of value" feature where Disney saves money on operating costs but you think you're getting something extra.
Maybe if you could explain your "grievance" better here, I could comment better.

I fail to see how Extra Magic Hours is a way for WDW to save money but give the illusion of guests getting something extra. Let's look at Epcot, the only of the 4 parks that has set hours every day of the year (Futureworld 9-7, World Showcase 11-9). On morning Extra Magic Hours, which maybe occurs about once a week, Futureworld opens at 8:00 a.m. to WDW resort guests. On evening Extra Magic Hours, which maybe occurs about once a week, everything stays open 'til midnight, for WDW resort guests. The EMH days are clearly a departure from the regular set schedule, they are clearly something "extra," and they are clearly available only to people paying to stay at a WDW resort as opposed to anyplace off-site ... so how exactly do you see EMH as a money-saver for WDW that is also an "illusion" of something extra for the guests? I could see your point if they reduced the public operating hours once a week and offered the resulting "extra" time to resort guests, but that is simply not the case ... so again, I'd be interested to know your reasoning with this one.

SnwflkCts
03-01-2008, 06:15 AM
One can probably find reasons for NOT visiting anywhere. That's why I choose to find the reasons TO vist places!

If you enjoy another vacation spot better ... more power to you.

OK ... the transportation to the competitor thing did leave me a little confused though :confused3 I hardly get angry at Holiday Inn for not taking me to the airport when I stay at Best Western .....

jagafen
03-01-2008, 06:20 AM
The EMH days are clearly a departure from the regular set schedule, they are clearly something "extra," and they are clearly available only to people paying to stay at a WDW resort as opposed to anyplace off-site ... so how exactly do you see EMH as a money-saver for WDW that is also an "illusion" of something extra for the guests? I could see your point if they reduced the public operating hours once a week and offered the resulting "extra" time to resort guests, but that is simply not the case ... so again, I'd be interested to know your reasoning with this one.

Well stated, however, I couldn't help but hear "Fezzick" (Princess Bride/Iocaine Powder) in my head as I read this part!! :rotfl2:

LindsayDunn228
03-01-2008, 06:20 AM
More room for me then! :)

CinderellasSister
03-01-2008, 06:38 AM
Well stated, however, I couldn't help but hear "Fezzick" (Princess Bride/Iocaine Powder) in my head as I read this part!! :rotfl2:

OMG!!! You're right!!!!
:rotfl2: :lmao: :rotfl2: :lmao: :rotfl2: :lmao: :rotfl2: :lmao:

Dmcuth
03-01-2008, 07:13 AM
I think you should stand by your conviction. Never go to WDW, everything you said is correct. WDW is a horrible place! Of course, I may just like the idea that one less person makes more room for me who has been going 4 times a year for 5 years and been visiting since 1977, and who is amazed that is gets better all the time.

What's funny is you want to go to IOA, which, although I love the place, pales in comparison to the operation that Disney has going. You'll really complain about that place!

Have fun in Tokyo!

wildernesslodgelover
03-01-2008, 07:26 AM
There's a whole world out there to see, of which WDW is but a speck, so far be it from me to tell you that you "should" go vacation there. Vacations are fun, and are all about our opinions and preferences, so we have to be happy with our choices. But since you ask, I do want to comment on some of your comments. We can't live in the past. If it were important to me to vacation somewhere where nothing had ever been closed, replaced, overhauled, changed, or demolished, I'd be limited to someplace that just opened a few years ago. Like Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic ... but then again I could pine for the natural unspoiled beauty that used to be there before the government decided the area should be developed, and thus maybe I wouldn't be able to enjoy what's there now. Otherwise, literally every place in the world has places that aren't there anymore, or have substantially changed, etc. Seriously, in this regard you have set criteria that are impossible to satisfy.

And on a personal note ... Enchanted Tiki Room: Under New Management, in my opinion, is not only hilarious (as opposed to the original boring version), it's a welcome respite in the air conditioning in an otherwise run-around busy day.

As for World of Motion versus Test Track ... I always thought WoM was a big snore. Test Track is not "The Best Thing Ever," but it's a fun experience that's worth the time. As for the photos you compare in your links, it's improper to compare a stylized, well-lit, well-composed nighttime photo with a very plain ordinary snapshot taken in harsh daylight; it's comparing apples and oranges. If you were to see a poorly-composed, harsh daylight snapshot of WoM, it wouldn't look very impressive ... just another building. I'm a photography hobbyist and I sell my work. I have a cherished photo from a trip to San Francisco, a shot of the Bay Bridge that is just one of the most beautiful shots I've ever seen, due mostly to the colors in the sky and the cloud formations. But my shots of the Golden Gate Bridge look like a hyperactive and colorblind 8-year-old took them. But in reality, if you were to compare the 2 bridges, which is more visually appealing in real life?

I understand your feeling about this, but I don't understand your logic about this. "I don't want to go to WDW because they won't provide me free transportation to a competitor"??? In my opinion, hardly a reason to not visit somewhere. Just where in the world can you go that will conveniently transport you to a competitor, where you wouldn't have to take a taxi or rent a car to get to??? Again, I think your expectations are unrealistic in this regard. Your complaint here, in my opinion, isn't so much about WDW as it is about geography and capitalism.
Again, here you are saying you won't enjoy something because it doesn't live up to an unrealistic expectation you have. That would be like be refusing to visit L.A. because their subway system never developed the way it was supposed to. If I look at only what isn't there that I think should be there, I really couldn't visit anywhere in the world.

As neat as the monorails are, I think having concrete beams crisscrossing the entire area would look rather ugly.

And you mention the bus system being a "nightmare" ... well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but there are millions of people, like me, who think the bus system is a dream and not a nightmare. But if you are going to seek out the negative, you will always find it.

Maybe if you could explain your "grievance" better here, I could comment better.

I fail to see how Extra Magic Hours is a way for WDW to save money but give the illusion of guests getting something extra. Let's look at Epcot, the only of the 4 parks that has set hours every day of the year (Futureworld 9-7, World Showcase 11-9). On morning Extra Magic Hours, which maybe occurs about once a week, Futureworld opens at 8:00 a.m. to WDW resort guests. On evening Extra Magic Hours, which maybe occurs about once a week, everything stays open 'til midnight, for WDW resort guests. The EMH days are clearly a departure from the regular set schedule, they are clearly something "extra," and they are clearly available only to people paying to stay at a WDW resort as opposed to anyplace off-site ... so how exactly do you see EMH as a money-saver for WDW that is also an "illusion" of something extra for the guests? I could see your point if they reduced the public operating hours once a week and offered the resulting "extra" time to resort guests, but that is simply not the case ... so again, I'd be interested to know your reasoning with this one.

Are you a lawyer? Oh, BTW, I meant that as a compliment. You really worded everything perfectly. I felt all those things you said, but could never have thrown several paragraphs together on a message board and been as eloquent as you. Very well written, thought provoking post!:thumbsup2

M-I-C-K-E-Y
03-01-2008, 07:32 AM
Hey - I found the following at Merriam-Webster:

Grumpy

Main Entry: grumpy
Pronunciation: \ˈgrəm-pē\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): grump∑i∑er; grump∑i∑est
Date: 1778
: moodily cross : surly
ó grump∑i∑ly \-pə-lē\ adverb
ó grump∑i∑ness \-pē-nəs\ noun

Cee
03-01-2008, 07:42 AM
One day, I hope you give WDW a try. It's a truly incredible place. :thumbsup2

richs52
03-01-2008, 07:58 AM
I agree with you...you should not go to Disney World. I don't think that anything there is anything that anyone can tell you on this message board that is going to help you truly enjoy your WDW experience. You have so many negative thoughts about the place, that you have already set yourself up for a bad time. You sound like you have found some places that you do like to go to, and that's great. I think you'd be happier at those places.

DJ Disney Kid
03-01-2008, 08:01 AM
This thread will be locked by the time I get home from work. :surfweb:

bdcp
03-01-2008, 08:23 AM
So, were you trying to convince us or yourself that you made the "right" decision? :confused3

Did you think you were going to get applause or a high five for putting down someplace on a board dedicated to it? :confused:

Please, go to Japan, but why do you feel the need to come on here and tell us? We never needed to know. It could have been your secret.:rotfl:

deej696
03-01-2008, 08:31 AM
You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but man Spokker you gotta lighten up a little. First the "2fers brings out the undesirables" post, now this one. I hope that vacation to Tokyo gets there quick cause I think you need one:lmao: :rotfl:

PS, since you wont be using them, can I have your fast passes?:rotfl2:

twinspluscade
03-01-2008, 08:36 AM
Growing up I had always wanted to visit Walt Disney World. I'm a Southern California native who has been to Disneyland many times throughout my life but Disney World was always in the back of my mind. Last Spring I was so close to booking the trip that I could almost feel the humidity. Here's why I ultimately chose not to and visit Tokyo Disney instead.

Attractions I wanted to see were gone - Horizons was the major spark igniting my interest to go to Disney World ever since I was a kid. It's the kind of attraction I've always dreamed of, and even today, enjoy it through an excellent DVD quality ride-through I found on the Internet. Mission: Space just doesn't seem that interesting to me.

World of Motion was another classic Epcot attraction I wish I could have experienced. Test Track looks like an abomination. I can't fathom how anyone could prefer this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/TestTrack.jpg) to this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/WorldofMotion.jpg). I hope GM got their money's worth, because WDW guests sure didn't.

There were other things I didn't like. Alien Encounter turned into Stitch Encounter or something like that. 20,000 Leagues transformed into a Winnie the Pooh play area. A lot of things that would have otherwise attracted me to WDW were gone. I also didn't like the idea of the Tiki Room: Under New Management. That's not something I can support and I just didn't want to go anywhere near it.

Already, I'm pretty disgruntled, but I was still willing to go.

Transportation - I wanted to see Islands of Adventure in addition to the four parks at WDW, but there was no reliable, easy way to do it outside of renting a car or taking a taxi, two things I had no intention of doing. Much of the advice centered around taking a public bus but that the ride was slow. Others suggested staying off-site but I didn't want to rely on hotel shuttles.

I was also disappointed at the transportation system at WDW itself. When I think of Disney World I think of sleek, fast, and reliable monorails, not buses, which were a nightmare as far as I read, especially when it's busy. I became bitter that Disney World has not expanded its monorail system since the 80s and pretty much lost all faith in the technology.

Being a rail enthusiast I was enticed by Tokyo's entirely grade-separated, reliable, and always on-time rail network. I discovered that it would be so much easier to get to non-Disney destinations in Japan. I enjoyed riding on Japanese trains almost as much as seeing DisneySea.

General lack of upkeep - I must admit that columnist Kevin Yee had a hand in this, whose updates on WDW were like weekly "What's broken this week at WDW?" reports. I get bent out of shape when I see a burnt out lightbulb at Disneyland and I'm just a SoCal passholder. When you're shelling out almost 3 grand for a trip to Disney World that stuff is even harder to swallow.

Bad Policies - There are many policies I don't like at WDW, some of which I knew then and some of which I learned more recently.

The holiday surcharge for eating on certain busy dates at certain restaurants.

Not including tips in some Disney Dining Plan anymore.

Not keeping the park open late for all paying guests, instead opting to hold special events like the Halloween and Christmas parties.

Early Entry, another "illusion of value" feature where Disney saves money on operating costs but you think you're getting something extra.

Some of these would have affected me, some would not, but they are not policies I want to support with my wallet.

Conclusion - I was very close to booking the trip. I had everything planned out, from what parks we would visit on what days, choice of hotels, and how we were going to pay for it. Everything was a go and all I had to do was book, and in the 11th hour I said, "You know what? This is stupid." I felt like a moron, a sucker, for even considering Disney World in its current state, and decided that it just wasn't worth it.

I decided to visit Tokyo Disney instead because of DisneySea, the desire to visit another country, my interest in rail mass transit, and the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than WDW. Even today if I had to choose, I would visit TDR again before WDW.

If you have anything to add, such as how Disney World has possibly improved since last year and/or how a trip could be easily made despite my grievances, please do so.


I guess I'm a bit perplexed.:confused3. All the things you complained about could also pertain to Disneyland...which I'm guessing you like since you've been there many times.

Why the heck would WDW offer transportation to a competitor?? That doesn't even make sense. Does Disneyland offer a bus to the Universal or Legoland parks in CA? I highly doubt it.

It would not work to use the monorail for all over the park. Remember, WDW has over 20 resorts. It would be unfeasible--not to mention unsightly--to have them everywhere. The busses really aren't that bad.

As for general lack of upkeep at WDW--this is no different than any other Disney park--including Disneyland and Tokyo.:confused3 .


I also don't know how you can compare Test Track to Worlds of Motion when you've never been on either?

I just find the whole concept strange of flying all the way to Tokyo to do Disney, simply because of a few nit-picky things you don't like about WDW. Surely the same things apply to the Disneyland and Tokyo parks?:confused3

SarahKate
03-01-2008, 08:38 AM
I think someone is here trying to stir the pot!!! :stir:

Steven41782
03-01-2008, 08:41 AM
I liked this post as I like to hear everyone's opinion. My favorite thing was the light bulb comment. I thought I was the only person who was annoyed by burned out bulbs. (not just a WDW, but everywhere)

I think that what you have remember about WDW is that at the end of the day it is a business. They are going to do what they think is neccessary to keep the guests pouring in. I think they are doing that.

eliza61
03-01-2008, 08:47 AM
Attractions I wanted to see were gone - Horizons was the major spark igniting my interest to go to Disney World ever since I was a kid. It's the kind of attraction I've always dreamed of, and even today, enjoy it through an excellent DVD quality ride-through I found on the Internet. Mission: Space just doesn't seem that interesting to me.

World of Motion was another classic Epcot attraction I wish I could have experienced. Test Track looks like an abomination. I can't fathom how anyone could prefer this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/TestTrack.jpg) to this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/WorldofMotion.jpg). I hope GM got their money's worth, because WDW guests sure didn't.


Already, I'm pretty disgruntled, but I was still willing to go.

Transportation - I wanted to see Islands of Adventure in addition to the four parks at WDW, but there was no reliable, easy way to do it outside of renting a car or taking a taxi, two things I had no intention of doing. Much of the advice centered around taking a public bus but that the ride was slow. Others suggested staying off-site but I didn't want to rely on hotel shuttles.

I was also disappointed at the transportation system at WDW itself. When I think of Disney World I think of sleek, fast, and reliable monorails, not buses, which were a nightmare as far as I read, especially when it's busy. I became bitter that Disney World has not expanded its monorail system since the 80s and pretty much lost all faith in the technology.

Being a rail enthusiast I was enticed by Tokyo's entirely grade-separated, reliable, and always on-time rail network. I discovered that it would be so much easier to get to non-Disney destinations in Japan. I enjoyed riding on Japanese trains almost as much as seeing DisneySea.

General lack of upkeep - I must admit that columnist Kevin Yee had a hand in this, whose updates on WDW were like weekly "What's broken this week at WDW?" reports. I get bent out of shape when I see a burnt out lightbulb at Disneyland and I'm just a SoCal passholder. When you're shelling out almost 3 grand for a trip to Disney World that stuff is even harder to swallow.

Bad Policies - There are many policies I don't like at WDW, some of which I knew then and some of which I learned more recently.

The holiday surcharge for eating on certain busy dates at certain restaurants.

Not including tips in some Disney Dining Plan anymore.

Not keeping the park open late for all paying guests, instead opting to hold special events like the Halloween and Christmas parties.

Early Entry, another "illusion of value" feature where Disney saves money on operating costs but you think you're getting something extra.

Some of these would have affected me, some would not, but they are not policies I want to support with my wallet.

Conclusion - I was very close to booking the trip. I had everything planned out, from what parks we would visit on what days, choice of hotels, and how we were going to pay for it. Everything was a go and all I had to do was book, and in the 11th hour I said, "You know what? This is stupid." I felt like a moron, a sucker, for even considering Disney World in its current state, and decided that it just wasn't worth it.


If you have anything to add, such as how Disney World has possibly improved since last year and/or how a trip could be easily made despite my grievances, please do so.


Isn't it funn how two different people can look at the same thing and see two totally different things. Here's my take:

1. Attractions: Sure some of my favorites are gone but the reality of ANY business is you keep current or you die! Disney is doing a good job of introducing new and exciting attractions (Soarin, Mission space, EE) sure they have duds every once in a while.

2. Transportation. Ok, please tell me where in California do you visit that provides you transportation to the competitor? I guess you think Mcdonalds should start sellling Burger king. :confused3 No where else provides you FREE, reliable transportation. Once again,sure it needs to be tweek but the are few vacation venues the gives you this. Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been to LA and last I check the bus system and highway system there was lousy.

3. Extra Perks, :confused3 Your mad because you can get into the park early meaning hopefully less crowds?

Please just say you don't want to go to WDW, that's cool. I don't want to go all the time also, but please give up on the luke warm explanations, they are sad.

cabanafrau
03-01-2008, 08:53 AM
Okay, before this gets out of hand I just have to say -- would everyone just leave my Tiki Room out of it!! :hippie:

Thank you, your previously scheduled discussion may resume.

jctwizzer
03-01-2008, 09:04 AM
At last, a RADP-type consumate troll in the same class as the legendary
Paul T. :cool1: :cool2:

Mom2Evie
03-01-2008, 09:08 AM
My compliments to the DISer's on this thread. When I read the first post, my initial thought was "this could get ugly, fast". I wasn't all that surprised to see how everyone was really polite about it. No one flamed on the OP.
To OP:
It saddens me that you feel this way. You're already hating something you haven't experienced. It reminded me of my DD insisting that she hated a food that she had yet to taste. Lighten up & live a little. For every negative you mentioned, I can name a dozen positives. WDW is a fabulous place to vacation with your family. Your trip would be what you make of it. If you expect to be annoyed and have a bad time, then that's your own failing. I think many o your complaints were totally unreasonable, but other posters have pointed that our fairly eloquently.

Where ever you decide to vacation, I wish you luck and happiness. I'll be the girl in line at WDW, taking the fast pass you could have gotten. Thanks for that.

CarolA
03-01-2008, 09:13 AM
I don't have any problem with the OP not going. (That's one less guest to deal with when I am there LOL!)

However, I found the logic on the orignial post HYSTERICAL.

Without ever setting foot in the resort he KNOWS ALL!!! He knows transportation is bad, he knows upkeep is bad and so on. TROLL ALERT!!!!!

(Now I would love to do Toyko, but TRUST me I would do a LOT more in Japan then just Disney. If you Fly ALL the way to Japan just to do Disney, IMHO that's just strange. Let's go to a foreign country to see American culture??? LOL!)

photobob
03-01-2008, 09:21 AM
My biggest reason for going to Disney World seeing the smiles on my wife and children's faces during our stay. I've spent a great deal of hard earned money to take them and I think it's worth every penny I've spent creating wonderful family memories. There have been changes since we first started going, some I've liked some not as much, but that doesn't change my feelings whatsoever stated in my first sentence..

LiteBrite
03-01-2008, 09:25 AM
At last, a RADP-type consumate troll in the same class as the legendary
Paul T. :cool1: :cool2:

I was already halfway there when the OP spoke about burned-out lightbulbs, but when you drop the Paul T. bomb - I am instantly transported back to the day! :rotfl2:

minmate
03-01-2008, 09:28 AM
popcorn::
Fascinating....

Onceler
03-01-2008, 09:51 AM
Mom2Evie and CarolA are correct. The OP's unusually negative opinion of WDW is apparently based solely on things he/she read and not on actual personal experience.

The OP is welcome to his/her opinion and not all of the complaints are without merit. But the original post sounds like it is either from someone who wants to stir things up or someone who somehow got a burr in his/her britches about WDW and started to look for things to confirm the preconceived negative opinion. Either way, hopefully Tokyo Disney meets the OP's expectations.

Meanwhile... popcorn:: popcorn:: popcorn::

phamton
03-01-2008, 09:51 AM
Mears transportation is available from all the Disney resorts to Universal Studios/Islands of Adventure. It is $16 round trip.

NC State
03-01-2008, 09:51 AM
Everyone is entiltle to their feelings on DisBoards. I hope the poster will visit WDW and give it a try. You may find out that it's not that bad.

CleveRocks
03-01-2008, 09:52 AM
Are you a lawyer? Oh, BTW, I meant that as a compliment. You really worded everything perfectly. I felt all those things you said, but could never have thrown several paragraphs together on a message board and been as eloquent as you. Very well written, thought provoking post!:thumbsup2I'm much worse than a lawyer ... I'm a therapist. :eek:

dougsmom98
03-01-2008, 10:06 AM
My biggest reason for going to Disney World seeing the smiles on my wife and children's faces during our stay. I've spent a great deal of hard earned money to take them and I think it's worth every penny I've spent creating wonderful family memories. There have been changes since we first started going, some I've liked some not as much, but that doesn't change my feelings whatsoever stated in my first sentence..

I loved this post! Yes, many things have changed at Disney World over the years, but it is still magical to so many people, especially children.

stepnut
03-01-2008, 10:08 AM
Wow, I've never experienced any of your negatives because of the way we've done WDW, and we've had a glorious time.

* We don't stay onsite, so we don't deal with buses.
* We don't park hop, so I don't miss a monorail between parks.
* I have burnt out light bulbs in my own home, so I don't freak when I see one at WDW.
* I liked Test Track. Being married to a race car driver, I didn't LOVE it, but certainly didn't let it define my Epcot experience.
* I don't do the DDP
* We don't go at peak holiday times.
* We think being at the park from 9am 10pm is PLENTY for us in a day, so I don't bemoan the fact I can't use EMH. I wouldn't use them if I could. And I avoid parks on thier EMH days. Way too crowded.
* I never heard of Horizons, or World of Motion, but don't knock Mission Space till you've tried it. It's amazing.
* I did do 20,000 leagues Under the Sea when I was 10 (WDW had been opened for just about a month in 1971). I remember being cramped in a submarine, and being completely disappointed at the ride. I don't remember any details...but I seem to remember the impression of how un-lifelike it was. I guess I was expecting real living sea monsters, LOL! And while my kids are too old for the Winnie the Pooh Playspot, a LOT of people think it's the ideal place to take a break and let thier kids blow off steam.

So, call me a moron for choosing AND loving my WDW experience, but I had none of the issues you cite.

NHTikiBeckie
03-01-2008, 10:09 AM
Well, the logic is ridiculous...especially since you haven't been. The transportation thing especially perplexes me, since its quite easy to get to Universal. So I have no problem if you don't go, more room for us!

shakebear
03-01-2008, 10:16 AM
That is quite sad.
The fact that you are judging an entire place based on things you have 'heard' from scattered reviews.
In my opinion, you are in no position to say how 'abominable' it is, or comment on it's 'general lack of upkeep', if you have never actually seen if yourself. Disney is one of the most magnificent, well-organized places on earth, and it's so sad that you aren't even willing to give it a try.
But I suppose you are quite a saint for almost being willing to give the experience a try in the first place. :rolleyes1

mousetravel
03-01-2008, 10:23 AM
The only part I can really agree with you is the surcharge on dining because of the holidays. We had 3 ADR's booked for Easter week, but have since cancelled 2 of them because of that.

GalDisney
03-01-2008, 10:25 AM
Maybe after you have visited Tokyo Disneyland you will find it in your heart to give WDw a try. it really is great. No, it is not perfect. Nothing is. And as a former 40 yr resident of Anaheim, i virtually lived at Disneyland and when I first visted the Mk I compared everyting to Disneyland. yes, I think Disneyland is abit better than the Mk but, you know what, they are both glorious in their own right. And WDW has more to offer as a resort than Disneyland. Give it a try, you will not be sorry. And you may end up loving it!

bumbershoot
03-01-2008, 10:35 AM
Well I personally, just from knowing of the culture, am fairly sure that the upkeep at DisneySea and Tokyo Disneyland probably blows away any other Disney park anywhere (other than perhaps Hong Kong), so I don't agree with the thoughts that upkeep issues could be the same over there. I'll give you that, Spokker. If only they would build a Disney park in Singapore (no possibility of gum on your shoes at all!) then things would be perfect. :)

But I gotta ask..."and the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than WDW"...is that true? I've never priced it out, but considering how relatively inexpensive a trip to WDW that I've been pricing is (cheaper than a similar stay onsite at Disneyland!), and considering how ding dang expensive Japan is...is it really not much more expensive? We absolutely have the Asian Disney parks in our future, as side trips to DH's family in Korea, so if it's not that much more expensive, it might be in our future sooner rather than later.

wdwcoltsfan
03-01-2008, 10:40 AM
Have you been to WDW or not? I noticed on the DL forum that you stated AK is lacking in quality disney rides, but it's beautifully themed. You even commented that EE was an excellent ride, but really all that is worth doing. How could you possibly make these comments to someone if you haven't been there? An uninformed poster might actually think you know what you are talking about, when in fact, you haven't been there.

Our family considered going to DL over spring break this year, but instead opted to do WDW and Vero Beach. I spent a lot of time reading the threads on the DL forum and ultimately decided DL wasn't a good choice for us at this time. It never occurred to me to post on the DL site why I thought DL would be a bad choice and then point out all of the negatives.:confused3

While some of your points may have merit, albeit very few points, you come across as bitter towards a vacation destination that you have never been to.

I agree with pp that you shouldn't go to WDW. You already know that you wouldn't enjoy yourself and you would most likely spend your vacation trying to confirm your preconceived notions. It's not worth your money to focus on what isn't up to your standards.

I hope you continue to have wonderful vacations at DL and Tokyo.


Rachel:earsboy: :earsgirl: :earsboy: :earsgirl:

disneyjunkie
03-01-2008, 10:42 AM
Growing up I had always wanted to visit Walt Disney World. I'm a Southern California native who has been to Disneyland many times throughout my life but Disney World was always in the back of my mind. Last Spring I was so close to booking the trip that I could almost feel the humidity. Here's why I ultimately chose not to and visit Tokyo Disney instead.

Attractions I wanted to see were gone - Horizons was the major spark igniting my interest to go to Disney World ever since I was a kid. It's the kind of attraction I've always dreamed of, and even today, enjoy it through an excellent DVD quality ride-through I found on the Internet. Mission: Space just doesn't seem that interesting to me.

World of Motion was another classic Epcot attraction I wish I could have experienced. Test Track looks like an abomination. I can't fathom how anyone could prefer this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/TestTrack.jpg) to this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/WorldofMotion.jpg). I hope GM got their money's worth, because WDW guests sure didn't.

There were other things I didn't like. Alien Encounter turned into Stitch Encounter or something like that. 20,000 Leagues transformed into a Winnie the Pooh play area. A lot of things that would have otherwise attracted me to WDW were gone. I also didn't like the idea of the Tiki Room: Under New Management. That's not something I can support and I just didn't want to go anywhere near it.

Already, I'm pretty disgruntled, but I was still willing to go.

Transportation - I wanted to see Islands of Adventure in addition to the four parks at WDW, but there was no reliable, easy way to do it outside of renting a car or taking a taxi, two things I had no intention of doing. Much of the advice centered around taking a public bus but that the ride was slow. Others suggested staying off-site but I didn't want to rely on hotel shuttles.

I was also disappointed at the transportation system at WDW itself. When I think of Disney World I think of sleek, fast, and reliable monorails, not buses, which were a nightmare as far as I read, especially when it's busy. I became bitter that Disney World has not expanded its monorail system since the 80s and pretty much lost all faith in the technology.

Being a rail enthusiast I was enticed by Tokyo's entirely grade-separated, reliable, and always on-time rail network. I discovered that it would be so much easier to get to non-Disney destinations in Japan. I enjoyed riding on Japanese trains almost as much as seeing DisneySea.

General lack of upkeep - I must admit that columnist Kevin Yee had a hand in this, whose updates on WDW were like weekly "What's broken this week at WDW?" reports. I get bent out of shape when I see a burnt out lightbulb at Disneyland and I'm just a SoCal passholder. When you're shelling out almost 3 grand for a trip to Disney World that stuff is even harder to swallow.

Bad Policies - There are many policies I don't like at WDW, some of which I knew then and some of which I learned more recently.

The holiday surcharge for eating on certain busy dates at certain restaurants.

Not including tips in some Disney Dining Plan anymore.

Not keeping the park open late for all paying guests, instead opting to hold special events like the Halloween and Christmas parties.

Early Entry, another "illusion of value" feature where Disney saves money on operating costs but you think you're getting something extra.

Some of these would have affected me, some would not, but they are not policies I want to support with my wallet.

Conclusion - I was very close to booking the trip. I had everything planned out, from what parks we would visit on what days, choice of hotels, and how we were going to pay for it. Everything was a go and all I had to do was book, and in the 11th hour I said, "You know what? This is stupid." I felt like a moron, a sucker, for even considering Disney World in its current state, and decided that it just wasn't worth it.

I decided to visit Tokyo Disney instead because of DisneySea, the desire to visit another country, my interest in rail mass transit, and the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than WDW. Even today if I had to choose, I would visit TDR again before WDW.

If you have anything to add, such as how Disney World has possibly improved since last year and/or how a trip could be easily made despite my grievances, please do so.

Can you please help me with something?

Please pass this onto the millions of families that will visit WDW for the first time this year (oh, and some of the repeat guest). Hopefully they will read this and cancel their trips.

Please be sure to stress how each problem will be double September 1-7 and December 23-January 3.

Please stick around.

As soon as I confirm my 2009 plans, Iíll give you a heads up on which weeks to tell everyone to avoid.:rolleyes1


You are definitely entitled to your opinion, but man Spokker you gotta lighten up a little. First the "2fers brings out the undesirables" post, now this one. I hope that vacation to Tokyo gets there quick cause I think you need one:lmao: :rotfl:

PS, since you wont be using them, can I have your fast passes?:rotfl2:


I read that thread. My son and I are heading out to DL this August. It will be our first visit. I have to admit the OP gave me a scare. Luckily I keep reading.

Can't wait to get there.:thumbsup2

disneyjunkie
03-01-2008, 10:49 AM
But I gotta ask..."and the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than WDW"...is that true? I've never priced it out, but considering how relatively inexpensive a trip to WDW that I've been pricing is (cheaper than a similar stay onsite at Disneyland!), and considering how ding dang expensive Japan is...is it really not much more expensive? We absolutely have the Asian Disney parks in our future, as side trips to DH's family in Korea, so if it's not that much more expensive, it might be in our future sooner rather than later.

Unless there's free lodging and/or free airfare, how can a trip to Japan be cheaper than a trip to Orlando?

lizzytizzy
03-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Mears transportation is available from all the Disney resorts to Universal Studios/Islands of Adventure. It is $16 round trip.

Is that true? If so, that'd be great! For the last couple of years, my husband and I talked ourselves out of going there saying that our DD is too young to go there. What time do they leave from the resorts and leave from Universal Studios? Is it just one bus a day? Do you have their phone number that I can find out? Thank you!:yay:

burberryplaid
03-01-2008, 11:00 AM
I respect your opinion, although I must disagree.

I had never been to Disney World until last September, at the age of 31. I'm sure there were probably snags and problems, but I honestly can't remember. All I remember is everything about that trip was magical to me. I had the best vacation ever. I loved not having a care in the world! I got to be a kid again and that in and of itself was wonderful!

If you go into something looking for problems, of course you'll find them.

I hope you enjoy your trip to Tokyo Disney and I hope you'll go into it without a magnifying glass, looking for problems and concerns.

CoachBagFanatic
03-01-2008, 11:05 AM
WOW, I guess there will be no WDW countdown ticker for you. Well, what ever destination you choose, I hope you have a great time. Safe travels.:thumbsup2

Praying Colonel
03-01-2008, 11:05 AM
I agree with some of the things that the OP says bother him/her, disagree with some others. Sometimes I get the feeling that WDW is using the "boiling the frog" thing on us. You've heard the story about how to boil a frog--put it in a pot of water at room temperature, then raise the temperature a little at a time. The frog doesn't even realize it's being boiled until it's too late. When I look at the many nickel-and-dime things that have been going on the last few years (ever-rising ticket prices, sucking the value out of the DDP, homogenizing restaurant menus while increasing prices, weekday vs. weekend room rates, closing MK more and more evenings to add more hard-ticket events, just to name a very few), I get the feeling that we're the frog in the water, and that steam around us isn't a humidifier. ;)

OTOH, change is inevitable. There's no way the parks could stay in their original state, nor should they. Many changes are hated by some, while others look forward to them. Others never knew some of the original attractions and, therefore, don't miss them.

Ultimately, everyone has to decide for himself or herself whether WDW is right for them at that time. Our family went in 04, 06 and 07, and DW and I strongly considered going back to WDW in January for an adults-only trip to celebrate her getting her Masters. For a variety of reasons--some related to issues we have with recent WDW changes, some unrelated to WDW at all--we decided to go on a cruise, instead. And we had a ball.

Does that mean we're done with WDW? Nope--we're already planning a family trip for this coming January. It's just that for us, we weren't really feeling the Magic when we were planning our January trip, for a variety of reasons, and decided to try something new. For us, there's a big world out there, and we want to have a place for that. WDW could do some things to earn more of our vacation dollar, but there will probably always be a place in our life for WDW, too.

eyeheartgoofy
03-01-2008, 11:08 AM
I think you should stay away from WDW if you have such a negative view.

While you are at it, why post in the attractions and strategies section of a board entirely devoted to WDW if you think it is a poor choice for a vacation?

Stitchfans
03-01-2008, 11:23 AM
So, were you trying to convince us or yourself that you made the "right" decision? :confused3

Did you think you were going to get applause or a high five for putting down someplace on a board dedicated to it? :confused:

Please, go to Japan, but why do you feel the need to come on here and tell us? We never needed to know. It could have been your secret.:rotfl:

All of this is exactly what was going through my head when I was reading the post.

phamton
03-01-2008, 11:24 AM
Is that true? If so, that'd be great! For the last couple of years, my husband and I talked ourselves out of going there saying that our DD is too young to go there. What time do they leave from the resorts and leave from Universal Studios? Is it just one bus a day? Do you have their phone number that I can find out? Thank you!:yay:

It is several times a day. Just call (407) 423-5566 twenty-four hours in advance.

themilesfamily
03-01-2008, 11:31 AM
I decided to visit Tokyo Disney instead because of DisneySea, the desire to visit another country, my interest in rail mass transit, and the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than WDW. Even today if I had to choose, I would visit TDR again before WDW.

I think the reasons you listed are great reasons to choose Tokyo Disney and I'm not going to try to talk you into visiting WDW. Vacation decisions are a personal choice -- everybody has something different that peaks their interest. If WDW turns you off for whatever reason and Tokyo Disney is the place for you, enough said. :thumbsup2

wildernesslodgelover
03-01-2008, 11:57 AM
I'm much worse than a lawyer ... I'm a therapist. :eek:

ROTFLMAO!

(not sure why I find that hilarious, but I do!!!!)

MomofKatie
03-01-2008, 12:01 PM
Have fun in Tokyo! I'd say we'll miss you in Orlando, but I think we'll manage without you.

CarolA
03-01-2008, 01:54 PM
But I gotta ask..."and the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than WDW"...is that true? I've never priced it out, but considering how relatively inexpensive a trip to WDW that I've been pricing is (cheaper than a similar stay onsite at Disneyland!), and considering how ding dang expensive Japan is...is it really not much more expensive? We absolutely have the Asian Disney parks in our future, as side trips to DH's family in Korea, so if it's not that much more expensive, it might be in our future sooner rather than later.

It's probably NOT true UNLESS you are only willing to stay the GF suites at WDW

I don't know if anyone else had noticed but the value of the DOLLAR vs foreign currencys is HORRID.

And see the last sentence in this pararaph....The OP won't go to WDW due to extra evening charges. If this is true maybe he should reaearch :rotfl2:

"There is no general admission ticket available for Tokyo Disneyland. You need to purchase a Passport, which includes all attractions. A one-day passport costs 5,800 yen (adult). A two-day passport costs 10,000 yen (adult). Children under age three are free of charge. There is also a Starlight Passport (4,700 yen) for admission to the park after 5:00 p.m. on certain days."

Anyway 10,000 yen is close to $100.

Hotels in Toyko are well known to be OUTRAGEOUSLY high. Literally they sell "coffins" for over $100 anight.

I just checked the website. The cheapest night at an one of the DIsney hotels is 27,000 yen or $270!!!!!!!!!!! Makes Disney deluxes look almost affordable.

Plus you have to get there.... Generally for most of us flights to MCO are MUCH cheaper then flights to Japan.

luvthemouse71
03-01-2008, 02:22 PM
Maybe this person is an executive or a PR person for Universal.:scratchin

CoachBagFanatic
03-01-2008, 02:27 PM
Maybe this person is an executive or a PR person for Universal.:scratchin

:lmao: You never know.

minmate
03-01-2008, 03:00 PM
Maybe this person is an executive or a PR person for Universal.:scratchin

:cool1:

Dolce27
03-01-2008, 03:20 PM
Can you please help me with something?

Please pass this onto the millions of families that will visit WDW for the first time this year (oh, and some of the repeat guest). Hopefully they will read this and cancel their trips.

Please be sure to stress how each problem will be double September 1-7 and December 23-January 3.

Ummmm... disneyjunkie? December 23-January 3 is a horrible, horrible time to go. Everything will be broken and unclean and so much worse than the other times of the year .... :rolleyes1

Oh wait! That won't work on the person who came up with the idea to deter people from going in the first place - will it? Ooops! Oh well, guess that I’ll see you there as those are my dates, too. :teeth:

Everyone, I honestly think that the OP was just trying to rile everyone up, I could be wrong, but since they posted such criticism on a WDW thread and then have not made a reappearance to the thread … I think the OP was just trying to rile everyone up.

I went to DL for my first time this last November. I didn’t notice it any cleaner or more kept than what I see at any of the four WDW theme parks.

Aliceacc
03-01-2008, 03:22 PM
WHY I CHOOSE TO VISIT DISNEY WORLD

My husband and I are both teachers, so it goes without saying that we're on a budget. But this is the year-- the one year-- when we're pulling out all the stops and taking the kids to Disney World. (The 40% off PIN code had a lot to do with "pulling out all the stops" but we had the trip planned anyway.)

I know they could very well survive childhood without it. But this one is for me-- I want to share the wonder of Disney with my kids while they're young enough to believe in the Magic. Neither Disney Paris nor Disney Tokyo are now on the agenda, nor will they ever be. If I ever get back to Paris, please rest assured that I will be seeing all things French, not American. If I ever get to Asia, it will be to Korea so that my son can re-visit the land of his birth. I will NOT travel abroad only to see a bit of Americana that's available in my own back yard. The world is too big and varied a place for that; there's too much to see in other places to spend my time seeing what I could see in Florida.

I have no illusions about Disney, even though it's been 18 years since we last visited. I know that it's a big corporation and that finances are the driving force. That's OK. I have the same expectations of my supermarket, my mechanic and everyone else I deal with on a daily basis. I expect that I will get what I pay for, that they'll try to uphold what they've promised to provide. I also realize that.. gasp.. sometimes lightbulbs DO burn out and that sometimes a key employee calls in sick. I'm an adult, and I cope, as I hope my students cope when unforseen circumstances prevent me from giving them my very best. I know that, like my supermarket and favorite local restaurant, the powers that be sometimes make changes that I'm not crazy about. But then again, sometimes I've sampled some of those changes against my better judgement, and found a new favorite. I'm an adult and can deal with change.

But if AM going to spend my money on a big family vacation, this is the one I want to spend it on. Unlike the OP, I HAVE been there before. I know it will be hot and muggy in August, and have my rain ponchos ready for the afternoon rains. I know that there will most likely be people ahead of me in the line for the monorail, and that it's entirely possible that I may not get seated at 5 pm for my 5 pm ADR. That's OK. I'm an adult, and I've dealt with greater disappointments in my life. But I also know that the movers and shakers have done something that no one else has done: they've managed to transform Florida swampland into a separate, wonderful place where imagination (along with a variety of other things) takes flight. It's a place where adults can act like kids, and kids are under no pressure to act like adults.

So my family and I are headed to Disney World in Orlando this August. I hope the OP has a wonderful time in Tokyo.

donaldndaisy
03-01-2008, 03:25 PM
Growing up I had always wanted to visit Walt Disney World. I'm a Southern California native who has been to Disneyland many times throughout my life but Disney World was always in the back of my mind. Last Spring I was so close to booking the trip that I could almost feel the humidity. Here's why I ultimately chose not to and visit Tokyo Disney instead.

Attractions I wanted to see were gone - Horizons was the major spark igniting my interest to go to Disney World ever since I was a kid. It's the kind of attraction I've always dreamed of, and even today, enjoy it through an excellent DVD quality ride-through I found on the Internet. Mission: Space just doesn't seem that interesting to me.

World of Motion was another classic Epcot attraction I wish I could have experienced. Test Track looks like an abomination. I can't fathom how anyone could prefer this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/TestTrack.jpg) to this (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3501/2298/1600/WorldofMotion.jpg). I hope GM got their money's worth, because WDW guests sure didn't.

There were other things I didn't like. Alien Encounter turned into Stitch Encounter or something like that. 20,000 Leagues transformed into a Winnie the Pooh play area. A lot of things that would have otherwise attracted me to WDW were gone. I also didn't like the idea of the Tiki Room: Under New Management. That's not something I can support and I just didn't want to go anywhere near it.

Already, I'm pretty disgruntled, but I was still willing to go.

Transportation - I wanted to see Islands of Adventure in addition to the four parks at WDW, but there was no reliable, easy way to do it outside of renting a car or taking a taxi, two things I had no intention of doing. Much of the advice centered around taking a public bus but that the ride was slow. Others suggested staying off-site but I didn't want to rely on hotel shuttles.

I was also disappointed at the transportation system at WDW itself. When I think of Disney World I think of sleek, fast, and reliable monorails, not buses, which were a nightmare as far as I read, especially when it's busy. I became bitter that Disney World has not expanded its monorail system since the 80s and pretty much lost all faith in the technology.

Being a rail enthusiast I was enticed by Tokyo's entirely grade-separated, reliable, and always on-time rail network. I discovered that it would be so much easier to get to non-Disney destinations in Japan. I enjoyed riding on Japanese trains almost as much as seeing DisneySea.

General lack of upkeep - I must admit that columnist Kevin Yee had a hand in this, whose updates on WDW were like weekly "What's broken this week at WDW?" reports. I get bent out of shape when I see a burnt out lightbulb at Disneyland and I'm just a SoCal passholder. When you're shelling out almost 3 grand for a trip to Disney World that stuff is even harder to swallow.

Bad Policies - There are many policies I don't like at WDW, some of which I knew then and some of which I learned more recently.

The holiday surcharge for eating on certain busy dates at certain restaurants.

Not including tips in some Disney Dining Plan anymore.

Not keeping the park open late for all paying guests, instead opting to hold special events like the Halloween and Christmas parties.

Early Entry, another "illusion of value" feature where Disney saves money on operating costs but you think you're getting something extra.

Some of these would have affected me, some would not, but they are not policies I want to support with my wallet.

Conclusion - I was very close to booking the trip. I had everything planned out, from what parks we would visit on what days, choice of hotels, and how we were going to pay for it. Everything was a go and all I had to do was book, and in the 11th hour I said, "You know what? This is stupid." I felt like a moron, a sucker, for even considering Disney World in its current state, and decided that it just wasn't worth it.

I decided to visit Tokyo Disney instead because of DisneySea, the desire to visit another country, my interest in rail mass transit, and the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than WDW. Even today if I had to choose, I would visit TDR again before WDW.

If you have anything to add, such as how Disney World has possibly improved since last year and/or how a trip could be easily made despite my grievances, please do so.


I never thought I would say this to anyone.... But, I don't think you should visit WDW. You, obviously, hate the place so much, eventhough, you have never been. You are likely to have a horrible time and anyone with you would have their vacation ruined :sad2: . If you get "bent out of shape" because of a blown light bulb, then, it seems to me that it would be impossible to please someone like you. Expecting perfection, will set you up for failure each and every time (just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with wanting perfection, but to EXPECT it, is....well, crazy). You don't seem to approach a vacation with the idea of having fun and this puzzles me :confused3

My family decided to visit Disneyland/California Adventure, during New Year Holiday. We all agreed we will not visit, again. To us, it doesn't even touch the experience of WDW. My ds9 was, extremely, disappointed and bored. California Adventure was just okay, but it had more of a carnival feel, than anything.

I do understand wanting to visit other theme parks in Orlando, but don't expect Disney or any theme park for that matter, to shuttle you over to their competitor. This year, my family and I will have an extended vacation in Central Florida. Our ds will be attending Space Camp at Kennedy Space Center. While we are in the area, we are going to relax and head to the beach (we used to live in Jacksonville and really miss the beach). Then, we are spending another 4 nights on International Drive. While there, we are going to visit Universal/IOA, Sea World and hang out on I-Drive. Then, we are going wrap up our last week, at the Polynesian, at WDW. There are tons of little things that may happen, that we were not expecting, both good and not so good. The trick with the not so good, is to deal with it quickly and as painlessly, as possible, then let...it....go :hippie:

We know things won't be perfect, there may be days, we'll return to our room and find it hasn't been cleaned at 2 pm. There will be days the parks will be so crowded and hot, I will wonder why I even bothered to leave my resort (the Poly is a paradise :cloud9: , so there's no way I could lose here). But, nothing can replace the quality time with my family, the look on my son's face and the memories, both past and the new ones being made :love: .

Yes, most people do spend a butt load of money on a WDW vacation. But, you can't compare the money spent, to irreplacable, priceless memories :angel: . WDW is simply magical (not to mention beautiful) and if you wouldn't have such royal expectations, even you could have a wonderful time pixiedust: .

Just be willing let life happen and enjoy it. party:

TisBit
03-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Yeah, it always bugs me how sometimes I think one ride I have never been on has been replaced by another ride that IMO is inferior, though I have never been on it either! :rotfl2:

I am surprised anyone has even responded to this thread (but here I am too)....I hope the OP the best of luck and you will be missed at WDW....ummmm never mind, don't think you will. :thumbsup2

Spokker
03-01-2008, 07:07 PM
I guess I'm a bit perplexed.:confused3. All the things you complained about could also pertain to Disneyland...which I'm guessing you like since you've been there many times.Well it costs significantly less for me to visit Disneyland than it does Disney World. However much a SoCal AP costs vs a plane ticket, a hotel, on top of the multiday pass.

It's true that many of the things I said could also apply to Disneyland, but I guess in the end there are more originals at Disneyland than at Disney World. The things that were specific to Disney World that I wanted to see are gone now, and their replacements don't interest me all that much.

Disneyland still has the Mansion, Pirates, Matterhorn, Space Mountain, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Mark Twain, and others even if some of them have been changed up a bit.
Maybe if you could explain your "grievance" better here, I could comment better.

I fail to see how Extra Magic Hours is a way for WDW to save money but give the illusion of guests getting something extra. The Magic Kingdom used to be open until 1AM every night in the Summer.I understand your feeling about this, but I don't understand your logic about this. "I don't want to go to WDW because they won't provide me free transportation to a competitor"???I don't expect Disney to offer me free transportation to a competitor. I was expressing disappointment in Florida's public transportation system. Public transit is another interest of mine.
Please, go to Japan, but why do you feel the need to come on here and tell us? We never needed to know. It could have been your secret.:rotfl:I apologize for provoking discussion on a discussion board. Disney World is the most perfect place in the world and should never be criticized. I could find criticisms even about Tokyo Disney, and I do. Maybe if there were a Tokyo Disney forum here I would post them there.
Without ever setting foot in the resort he KNOWS ALL!!! He knows transportation is bad, he knows upkeep is bad and so on. TROLL ALERT!!!!! Why should I spend $3,000 to experience a place that I know I already dislike? I don't have to go there to know I dislike the policies. I don't have to go there to know what they did to the Tiki Room. I don't have to go there to see lack of upkeep and burnt out signs. There are plenty of people to post pictures of it online.

Let's go to a foreign country to see American culture??? LOL!)Maintaining a Disney park to Disney standards is apparently not part of American culture.

For the record I did see lots of Japan besides Disney.
Have you been to WDW or not? I noticed on the DL forum that you stated AK is lacking in quality disney rides, but it's beautifully themed. You even commented that EE was an excellent ride, but really all that is worth doing. How could you possibly make these comments to someone if you haven't been there?I probably know more about Disney World than some people who actually go there. I do my research and read plenty of trip reports, articles, history, and see plenty of videos, hear plenty of audio, and I've done everything but actually step through the gates of the four parks.

Do I have to go to MGM and see Fatasmic! to feel that the "bubble scene" is too long and their version relies entirely too much on the mist screens? Do I have to go to MGM to say that their vision of Tower of Terror is vastly superior to DCA's version? Do I have to go to Epcot to have an opinion on that awful Mickey hand that was recently taken off of Spaceship Earth?

I'm no know-it-all when it comes to Disney World, but I've gone my homework.

I hope you enjoy your trip to Tokyo Disney and I hope you'll go into it without a magnifying glass, looking for problems and concerns.
I did have concerns, but for the most park Tokyo Disney withstood the wrath of my magnifying glass. It was everything I've read about and more.
Maybe this person is an executive or a PR person for Universal.:scratchinI generally have a very low opinion of Universal Studios, General Electric, and NBC. But Islands of Adventure does look appealing to me, especially the Spiderman ride.
Anyway 10,000 yen is close to $100.

Hotels in Toyko are well known to be OUTRAGEOUSLY high. Literally they sell "coffins" for over $100 anight.
Those "coffins" don't go for over $100 a night and they are mostly for drunken Japanese businessmen who missed the last train home.

Perhaps you should do some research on the place. We stayed on site in an Official Disney Hotel for $150 a night.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish pointing out the ticket prices at WDW. We paid $150 for a 4-day passport. I had no problem with that. The Starlight passport is for after 6PM(weekdays) or 3PM (weekends, holidays). It's not a special event ticket.

saquin
03-01-2008, 07:23 PM
Disneyland still has the Mansion, Pirates, Matterhorn, Space Mountain, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Mark Twain, and others even if some of them have been changed up a bit.
Um, WDW also still has the Mansion, Pirates, Space Mountain, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room (improved). It also still has the original Swiss Family Treehouse (which, I understand, has been changed into some Tarzan thing at Disneyland, which defeats the whole "shipwrecked" theme) and the original Country Bear Jamboree (which is now gone from Disneyland).

There are pluses and minuses to both. Your gripes on this particular point don't make much sense to me.

TisBit
03-01-2008, 07:25 PM
Well it costs significantly less for me to visit Disneyland than it does Disney World. However much a SoCal AP costs vs a plane ticket, a hotel, on top of the multiday pass.

It's true that many of the things I said could also apply to Disneyland, but I guess in the end there are more originals at Disneyland than at Disney World. The things that were specific to Disney World that I wanted to see are gone now, and their replacements don't interest me all that much.

Disneyland still has the Mansion, Pirates, Matterhorn, Space Mountain, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Mark Twain, and others even if some of them have been changed up a bit.The Magic Kingdom used to be open until 1AM every night in the Summer.I don't expect Disney to offer me free transportation to a competitor. I was expressing disappointment in Florida's public transportation system. Public transit is another interest of mine.I apologize for provoking discussion on a discussion board. Disney World is the most perfect place in the world and should never be criticized. I could find criticisms even about Tokyo Disney, and I do. Maybe if there were a Tokyo Disney forum here I would post them there.Why should I spend $3,000 to experience a place that I know I already dislike? I don't have to go there to know I dislike the policies. I don't have to go there to know what they did to the Tiki Room. I don't have to go there to see lack of upkeep and burnt out signs. There are plenty of people to post pictures of it online.

Maintaining a Disney park to Disney standards is apparently not part of American culture.

For the record I did see lots of Japan besides Disney.
I probably know more about Disney World than some people who actually go there. I do my research and read plenty of trip reports, articles, history, and see plenty of videos, hear plenty of audio, and I've done everything but actually step through the gates of the four parks.

Do I have to go to MGM and see Fatasmic! to feel that the "bubble scene" is too long and their version relies entirely too much on the mist screens? Do I have to go to MGM to say that their vision of Tower of Terror is vastly superior to DCA's version? Do I have to go to Epcot to have an opinion on that awful Mickey hand that was recently taken off of Spaceship Earth?

I'm no know-it-all when it comes to Disney World, but I've gone my homework.

I did have concerns, but for the most park Tokyo Disney withstood the wrath of my magnifying glass. It was everything I've read about and more.

Actually, yes you do have to go to say that it isn't kept up to standards and say that you don't like something. For every critic there is a fan. There are plenty of pics floating around about imperfections at DL too. Remember Walt started WDW because of DL imperfections.

You can research all you want, you can see videos and pictures and hear stories, but until you experience it yourself, you have not earned a right to pass judgement. You are trolling to find an emotional response, there was no reason for your post, but to illicit a response, period end of discussion. Got to WDW....and than post why you wouldn't return.

As for your public transportation issues, umm you live in SoCal, an area that is not well known for public transportation options, much less speedy or convenient ones.

saquin
03-01-2008, 07:38 PM
To add to my previous post, other attractions at WDW that have disappeared from Disneyland:

PeopleMover (renamed Tomorrowland Transit Authority but still the same ride at WDW. Gone from Disneyland)

Carousel of Progress (gone from Disneyland. Moved to WDW in 1975)

Spokker
03-01-2008, 07:41 PM
Remember Walt started WDW because of DL imperfections. The Disney World Walt envisioned was radically different from what's there today. He wanted to build a city of the future where people would work, live, and play. It was to bring American industry together to develop new ideas that could be transplanted to cities across the nation. Who knows whether it would have worked out or not, but it wasn't just a tourist trap.

You can research all you want, you can see videos and pictures and hear stories, but until you experience it yourself, you have not earned a right to pass judgement.The right to pass judgement is earned by giving Disney $3,000 of your money?

As for your public transportation issues, umm you live in SoCal, an area that is not well known for public transportation options, much less speedy or convenient ones.Yes, but I live here and own a car. I take public transit when I can and support transit issues. I really feel for tourists who arrive in LA without a car and wish we had better public transportation here.
PeopleMover (renamed Tomorrowland Transit Authority but still the same ride at WDW. Gone from Disneyland)

Carousel of Progress (gone from Disneyland. Moved to WDW in 1975)Those are two reasons why I would go to Disney World.

deej696
03-01-2008, 08:26 PM
I think I had a doll modeled after this guy when I was a kid. It was short, beige, and had crazy florescent orange hair that you could play with. It was called a TROLL doll!

Since ole Spokky hasnt had anything positive to say on this entire site ever, lets not continue his fun for him. Just take a look at his posts...

As I said before, Spokker I hope your vacation comes soon, but I hope you can enjoy it, why with all the burnt out light bulbs in the world afterall:rotfl: :rotfl2:

Spokker
03-01-2008, 08:35 PM
Since ole Spokky hasnt had anything positive to say on this entire site ever, lets not continue his fun for him. Just take a look at his posts...Is posting positive things a requirement for posting here? I had no idea. Here I was acting a fool, thinking I could post about topics that interest me.

saquin
03-01-2008, 08:42 PM
Spokker, you can not honestly have thought you'd be welcomed with open arms when your first post on the WDW board is a long screed, based on no first-hand knowledge and with zero humility about that, about why you don't like WDW. What did you expect everyone to say? "Gee, you're right. I guess I was a fool to spend all that money. I guess I really didn't enjoy myself. I'll never go again." I mean, really. Why didn't you come here with some genuine questions (the people here are very knowledgeable and also, I've found, fairly honest and open-minded about Disney's faults) and start a discussion rather than write a close-minded dissertation? You either meant to incite a negative reaction (hence, you're a troll) or you're clueless about how to introduce yourself into a discussion.

Spokker
03-01-2008, 08:54 PM
Spokker, you can not honestly have thought you'd be welcomed with open arms when your first post on the WDW board is a long screed, based on no first-hand knowledge and with zero humility about that, about why you don't like WDW.I had no other intentions than to post my story. How people react to it is not my responsibility. If people get bent out of shape because someone criticized their favorite theme park, perhaps they should seek out a therapist to discuss why strangers on the Internet bother them so much.

I am not presenting my opinion about WDW as someone who has been there. I am presenting my opinion as someone who was thinking about going there. Negative word of mouth works the same as positive word of mouth, and most of what I was getting was negative word of mouth.

If this forum serves to be nothing but a WDW lovefest then the visitors to this site looking for help and information are being done a great disservice. Sorry, but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that someone could look at the policies currently in place at WDW and decide not to go, even if they've never been before. I'm not going to touch an oven range that is clearly on and hot despite the fact I've never experienced what it's really like to do that.

I would want to post on a "I Hate WDW" board as much as I would want to post on an "I Love WDW" board. If you can't post negative opinions here then by all means, have the moderators disable my account, because I will continue to post negative opinions if I have access to this forum.

MomofKatie
03-01-2008, 08:54 PM
The Disney World Walt envisioned was radically different from what's there today. He wanted to build a city of the future where people would work, live, and play. It was to bring American industry together to develop new ideas that could be transplanted to cities across the nation. Who knows whether it would have worked out or not, but it wasn't just a tourist trap.

That would be EPCOT, not "Disney World".

saquin
03-01-2008, 09:07 PM
Maybe I'll do something similar on the Disneyland board, type out a long screed of what I dislike about it (though I've never been) and conclude with "I felt like a moron, a sucker, for even considering [Disneyland] in its current state, and decided that it just wasn't worth it."

I wonder how all the people on that board (who are presumably on the board because they are interested in Disneyland or have been to Disneyland in the past and are planning to go again) would feel about being equated to "morons" and "suckers", by someone who has never even set foot in Disneyland, no less.

You wrote: "I had no other intentions than to post my story. How people react to it is not my responsibility."

How people react is a function of how you decided to write "your story".
You must be very socially awkward, Spokker, if you can't come up with the right way to start a conversation like that.

Spokker
03-01-2008, 09:07 PM
That would be EPCOT, not "Disney World".There was nothing incorrect about what I said. He did want to build a city of the future where Disney World is today. It was called EPCOT and I think it would have been so much more than just a place people lived while they worked at the Magic Kingdom.

Spokker
03-01-2008, 09:11 PM
Maybe I'll do something similar on the Disneyland board, type out a long screed of what I dislike about it (though I've never been) and conclude with "I felt like a moron, a sucker, for even considering [Disneyland] in its current state, and decided that it just wasn't worth it." Do it. It wouldn't bother me one bit. I think it would be interesting to see what someone on the east coast thinks about Disneyland. In fact I invite anyone to message me personally and discuss anything that is "too hot for Disboards".

I've had discussions with people who think Disneyland is just about the most evil thing in the world and only for very bad types of people. I don't get all bent out of shape. I state my case, they state theirs, and when we get tired of arguing it's over. No harm no foul.

I wonder how all the people on that board (who are presumably on the board because they are interested in Disneyland or have been to Disneyland in the past and are planning to go again) would feel about being equated to "morons" and "suckers", by someone who has never even set foot in Disneyland, no less.I felt that Disney World was not worth the high cost. If I had to spend $3,000 to visit Disneyland in its current state I would feel like an idiot too. Others however, may see things differently and might find it worth it. I don't. I said I felt stupid. I didn't call anyone stupid.

How people react is a function of how you decided to write "your story".
You must be very socially awkward, Spokker, if you can't come up with the right way to start a conversation like that.The Internet is not real life.

maxiesmom
03-01-2008, 09:13 PM
Sounds like someone is just crabby and looking for a fight. Be happy that this troll does not want to go to WDW. Then we would have to put up with all of the negative comments and the superiority complex in person.:cool2:

saquin
03-01-2008, 09:14 PM
"The Internet is not real life."

So, you're a cyborg? These words are not being typed by you? It's not "real"?

Sorry to break it to you, but just as letters, phone conversations and other forms of long distance communication are "real", so is this conversation. And you blew it.

Spokker
03-01-2008, 09:19 PM
"The Internet is not real life."

So, you're a cyborg? These words are not being typed by you? It's not "real"?

Sorry to break it to you, but just as letters, phone conversations and other forms of long distance communication are "real", so is this conversation. And you blew it.
I'm Johnny 5.

Sorry, but chatting on the Internet is not the same as having a conversation in person. In real life it would be a lot harder to get away from a person you didn't want to talk to. On the Internet it's more passive. No one was forced to click a thread called "Why I chose not to visit Walt Disney World".

I'm not going to go up to someone and suddenly tell them how much I dislike Disney World. However, if I happen to strike up a conversation with someone, as I sometimes do at Disneyland, the discussion invariably turns to Disney parks, and we will discuss what we both like and dislike about them.

If I were a troll I would have said, "disney world sucksksss!!! anybody who goes there si a moran.!!!" I didn't do anything that is even remotely close to trolling, a term people are far too quick to throw around when they don't like what they see.

Spokker
03-01-2008, 09:24 PM
Sounds like someone is just crabby and looking for a fight. I am perfectly happy right now, working on something for work in between discussion. Chicken's in the oven and should be done in about 20 minutes.

saquin
03-01-2008, 09:31 PM
But, you see, Spokker... how you start a conversation, even on the internet, has a bearing on how it goes. This thread is now dead, for all intents and purposes. It's come to the point where you're simply telling us about your chicken in the oven. It's a useless thread that has petered out into nothingness. You can blame us for that if you want (and I suspect you will) but the truth is you set the tone with your post. There is no shortage of complaints people here have about certain aspects of WDW (as you well know, as you said you read many of them here). So it's not defensiveness to any criticism on our part but it was the WAY you expressed yourself. I could tell you how you could have constructed a post in a different way, that would have still gotten your point across while also opening a respectful discussion with some useful give and take. Heck, maybe both sides would have even learned something. But I suspect you wouldn't really care and would simply mock my attempt. So I'll just leave it. I, too, have better things to do than to continue this "unreal" conversation.

Spokker
03-01-2008, 09:43 PM
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Spokker
03-02-2008, 01:07 AM
I posted this exact same thread on another message board. While I did receive some replies disagreeing with me and some agreeing with me, no one called me a troll. In fact they did something much more amazing, they worked with my concerns and gave me some good ideas on how to get to WDW for less.

I am now seriously reconsidering a trip to WDW based on new information. Thanks for nothing disboards.com.

TisBit
03-02-2008, 05:09 AM
The Disney World Walt envisioned was radically different from what's there today. He wanted to build a city of the future where people would work, live, and play. It was to bring American industry together to develop new ideas that could be transplanted to cities across the nation. Who knows whether it would have worked out or not, but it wasn't just a tourist trap. .

Nope....wrong again. EPCOT was that vision, not WDW as a whole. MK was still designed as a tourist trap...just like DL. Maybe a boycott of them is in order. Smaller park, less attractions and similar admission price....hmmm, just a thought.


The right to pass judgement is earned by giving Disney $3,000 of your money?

YEP! Its called speaking from EXPERIENCE, not your distorted sense or reality from reading about something. Similar to why so many people in foreign countries have a distorted sense of America, they haven't seen it for themselves.

Yes, but I live here and own a car. I take public transit when I can and support transit issues. I really feel for tourists who arrive in LA without a car and wish we had better public transportation here.Those are two reasons why I would go to Disney World.

Well, all the people in Orlando probably feel the same way.

As for being called a troll, sorry, but if you are surfing message boards posting this stuff and looking for a heated response, that is a troll. :happytv:

Please don't reconsider your trip to WDW, it is really an awful place.....you (and us) would be much happier if you went somewhere else.....

CarolA
03-02-2008, 07:33 AM
Is posting positive things a requirement for posting here? I had no idea. Here I was acting a fool, thinking I could post about topics that interest me.

No, but being honest would be nice:rotfl2:

So give us the NUMBERS showing me how much cheaper Toyko is.

I have no problem with ANYTHING else you posted. But you seem to have given some people a false impression on the cost of trip to Toyko and I find that kind of strange. WHy?

Linus Van Pelt
03-02-2008, 08:14 AM
I'm Johnny 5.

Sorry, but chatting on the Internet is not the same as having a conversation in person. In real life it would be a lot harder to get away from a person you didn't want to talk to. On the Internet it's more passive. No one was forced to click a thread called "Why I chose not to visit Walt Disney World".

I'm not going to go up to someone and suddenly tell them how much I dislike Disney World. However, if I happen to strike up a conversation with someone, as I sometimes do at Disneyland, the discussion invariably turns to Disney parks, and we will discuss what we both like and dislike about them.

If I were a troll I would have said, "disney world sucksksss!!! anybody who goes there si a moran.!!!" I didn't do anything that is even remotely close to trolling, a term people are far too quick to throw around when they don't like what they see.

I'm willing to bet you received more than your fair share of beatings during your illustrious school career. :lmao:

CoachBagFanatic
03-02-2008, 08:43 AM
Wow, I wake up this morning and what a cat fight this has turned out to be. Spokker I do agree that you have the right to your opinion but I also agree with a lot of the posters that one should only speak from experience. This is not aimed at any one just a quote that I go by. "You believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear until you experience it for yourself." Spokker, I wish you the best and hope that all your future vacations are wonderful. I am one not to leave the US (too scared):scared1: but I hope you have a wonderful time in TDL. Safe Travels.

maxiesmom
03-02-2008, 10:02 AM
Spokker I do agree that you have the right to your opinion but I also agree with a lot of the posters that one should only speak from experience.

That is the main problem with this whole thread. I could post one about how I will never visit California, because the cost of living is too high, and everyone knows it is full of crazy people. In addition, you can't walk down the streets without being mugged or having someone try to sell you drugs. But it would be silly, because I have never been to California, and my only knowledge of it is what I have heard and seen second hand.

Which is exactly what the OP has done. Based their opinion on something they have not seen or experienced for themselves. If you are trying to sell us on your point of view, at least have some experience and real knowledge of what you are talking about. You can quote whatever article you want. Or say that your second cousin twice remove told you so. But that holds no real weight. Go experience Disney World for yourself, and try to be unbiased. Then what you post will have some weight. Until then, you are just:stir:

wdwcoltsfan
03-02-2008, 11:26 AM
That is the main problem with this whole thread. I could post one about how I will never visit California, because the cost of living is too high, and everyone knows it is full of crazy people. In addition, you can't walk down the streets without being mugged or having someone try to sell you drugs. But it would be silly, because I have never been to California, and my only knowledge of it is what I have heard and seen second hand.

Which is exactly what the OP has done. Based their opinion on something they have not seen or experienced for themselves. If you are trying to sell us on your point of view, at least have some experience and real knowledge of what you are talking about. You can quote whatever article you want. Or say that your second cousin twice remove told you so. But that holds no real weight. Go experience Disney World for yourself, and try to be unbiased. Then what you post will have some weight. Until then, you are just:stir:

ITA!!:thumbsup2 This has been my frustration with this thread. I will admit, it's not based soley on this thread, but on information that has been on the DL board as well.

The OP was stating that AK doesn't have any disney quality rides other than EE. That people will tire of driving around sleeping animals all day. That Dinosaur doesn't count as a disney quality ride because it is based on the Indy ride technology at DL. He/she also states that Orlando is WDW and disney does everything in their power to keep guests at their park for a week. This goes right along with the OP that early entry doesn't have any value, the parties aren't fair to people and the bus service is bad and monorails should criss cross all over the land.

First, the comments about AK drive me nuts, but I won't go into that again. Second, Orlando has Universal and Sea World plus I'm sure that there are other wonderful things to do in Orlando. I don't know of them personally, so I'm not going to say there isn't any.;) Of course, WDW wants their policies to encourage people to stay onsite.:confused3 I'm not sure why this would be a shock or a negative.

Now, for this thread--early entry does have value to many people. I like being able to stay in the parks until 2am or so, especially when it's hot and things cool down in the evenings. There are people who don't like the bus system, but many, many people like not having to worry about renting a car and driving. I like that transportation is stress free! Can you imagine monorail tracks spread across the property reaching every resort and park? It would be a logistical nightmare. Not to mention it wouldn't be faster than the busses because the monorail system would get bogged down. Finally, the parties. Our family and countless others have really enjoyed the Halloween and Christmas parties. Until they are experienced, I don't see how anyone could comment on their worth or value.

As I stated previously, I heavily researched a DL vacation. I read tons of information on the parks and the surrounding area, but I don't consider myself an expert. I would never consider telling someone else that the parks aren't worth visiting. If a person wants to determine where to vacation soley based on what they have read, that's perfectly fine. I have a problem when a person states opinion as if it is fact or has been personally experienced when it hasn't.

I know the OP doesn't believe this, but tone has a lot to do with how people respond to a post and I think that is the biggest problem with this thread. Many people have posted concerns and negatives about WDW in the past and they received a wealth of information on how they might rectify the situation or calm their fears about an upcoming vacation.


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