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Chloe'sMom
02-15-2008, 04:29 PM
I understand why they do it at October and the Holidays but seriously - the pirate and princess party it is annoying. DH and I have one night to go to MK w/o our "princess" which allows us to do some of the big kid rides and it is of course on an night of the Pirate and Princess party. Which I feel is a rip off for the amount of extra money you pay to go . I'm sorry - but that is the way I feel. So now instead of being able to get in my BTMRR and Splash - we'll be headed to AK and The Studios.

~Amanda

tinker_me_happy
02-15-2008, 04:31 PM
Why do you only have one night? Have you considered JUST buying the "party" ticket and going into the park at 4pm instead of spending the full day admission?

BabyPiglet
02-15-2008, 04:34 PM
Then don't go to them. :confused3

goofy4tink
02-15-2008, 04:38 PM
Unfortunatly, or fortunatly depending on your viewpoint, Disney has found yet another huge money maker. These special, hard ticketed events are very popular, so in turn make a ton of money for Disney. Are they worth it? Well, I've been to MNSSHP (once), MVMCP (4-5 times) and the Pirate/Princess Party just once. I love the holiday ones. The PPP was okay...it was a good way to spend a bit more time in the MK at a time of year when it normally closes early.
So....it's all about choices. You may find it to be upsetting that there is a PPP on the only night you can fit MK into your schedule, but someone else may be distressed that there is no PPP when they want to go to one. No one is going to be completely happy. Perhaps you can work your schedule around a bit to fit in a different night at MK.

Chloe'sMom
02-15-2008, 04:38 PM
Then don't go to them. :confused3

I'm not. No - I will not pay for extra admission when I already pay for an annual pass. And I only have one night - because we only have a baby-sitter for one night, and that is the night it works best on. I would prefer to go to MK but that won't work.

~Amanda

Chloe'sMom
02-15-2008, 04:40 PM
Unfortunatly, or fortunatly depending on your viewpoint, Disney has found yet another huge money maker. These special, hard ticketed events are very popular, so in turn make a ton of money for Disney. Are they worth it? Well, I've been to MNSSHP (once), MVMCP (4-5 times) and the Pirate/Princess Party just once. I love the holiday ones. The PPP was okay...it was a good way to spend a bit more time in the MK at a time of year when it normally closes early.
So....it's all about choices. You may find it to be upsetting that there is a PPP on the only night you can fit MK into your schedule, but someone else may be distressed that there is no PPP when they want to go to one. No one is going to be completely happy. Perhaps you can work your schedule around a bit to fit in a different night at MK.

I hear ya - and believe me I understand the business sense behind it. It just bugs me because seriously - just open the park, save the money on the parade and the "special" fireworks.

~Amanda

PrincessKara22
02-15-2008, 04:42 PM
I haven't been to any of the PPPs but I did get to watch and hear the PPP firework show from GF's Narcoosees balcony one night and I think it might be my absolute favorite Disney fireworks show ever. I'd love to go to one but I agree that the party is overpriced especially if you don't have a young child with you. I think you should either find a way to change the night that you can go to MK without your daughter or else buy tickets to the party and let her enjoy it. The number of people in the park ARE significantly smaller than normal so you guys could probably ride the "grown up" rides and take turns with your daughter fairly easily. I know it isn't the best solution but :shrug:

dawgsgirl
02-15-2008, 04:57 PM
I'm annoyed right along with you. In a few years, the MK will only be open at night if you pay extra. We, too, have AP's and just refuse to hand over MORE money to the Disney greed. We were there the last week of Jan and the MK was closed for 3 nights for the parties. Two of those were Saturday nights! We have been to MNSSHP and MVMCP and that was fine. These other parties are very overpriced if you already have tickets. I have let Disney know how I feel about it, but I'm sure the effort was wasted. Too many people are willing to hand over the money. MK is not open that late during Jan, so it did not matter that much. I'll be back in May and have to go through the same thing again. This time, I WILL be losing time at the MK at night. We love the MK at night and love seeing Wishes. What really bothers me is the Disney greed. Can you tell I am annoyed??? :rotfl:

CanadianGuy
02-15-2008, 04:59 PM
I've moved this on to the ThemeParks Community Board.

Now.. personally.. some months are thicker with these Mickey Pirate & Princess parties than others .. but I think they average something like six a month? March only has four. That's not an insane amount..

BUT.. if does kinda suck if they land just so on the calendar to mess up your trip! Frustrating I'm sure.

Knox

Brian_WDW74
02-15-2008, 05:18 PM
Now.. personally.. some months are thicker with these Mickey Pirate & Princess parties than others .. but I think they average something like six a month? March only has four. That's not an insane amount..

Wow. That's actually a very common sense way of looking at it. No wonder they made you a moderator. ;)

haley123
02-15-2008, 05:19 PM
I can understand a few parties. But the number of nights that are devoted to parties is ridiculous.

CarolA
02-15-2008, 05:25 PM
Personally I think the P&P is nothing more then a "money grab" And yes, I think it's ripping off folks who go to Disney and pay for normal tickets. Plus it's not "special" anymore. .... Used to be the parties were "special" now it's Today's Monday "let's have a party" BIG DEAL!


Luckily for me, I spend very little time at MK, but I will not be spending any money on the P&P party! I am not a fan of the MNSSHP either, but at least it's a real holiday folks party for. I mean does your neighborhood have ""Priate and Princess Day"??? What's next the "Earnings are down party?":rotfl:

collcass
02-15-2008, 05:27 PM
I'm confused. isn't the P&PP party held after park closing? If it isn't, how does Disney keep people who have already paid admission to the park from going on the rides?

Sorry, It isn't held when we are going so I haven't researched it at all. I can imagine it must be frustrating for a lot of people.

ssaa
02-15-2008, 05:35 PM
Does sound like a great business ploy...get all these folks to hand over $100s more just to spend a few more hours at MK. There was another thread, where the OP said that they felt like they were being booted out to make room for the party. Now some may be fortunate enough to afford all these extras, but for us I'd rather spend the extra $$ for more days at WDW!

There are 2 P&PPs scheduled for the 6 nights we will be there in mid May, which makes it that much harder to schedule our week. MK is our fave park as well, and I am bummed that we won't be able to spend those 2 evenings there, will just have to go to another park (Epcot or DHS since AK closes so early).

I choose to think of it this way: some people really do enjoy these parties, and I'm happy for them...for the rest of us, we just have to plan around the parties...at least we know it way in advance.

CarolA
02-15-2008, 05:39 PM
I'm confused. isn't the P&PP party held after park closing? If it isn't, how does Disney keep people who have already paid admission to the park from going on the rides?

Sorry, It isn't held when we are going so I haven't researched it at all. I can imagine it must be frustrating for a lot of people.

Yes, but now the park closes at 5 or 6 to let the "party" start. Whereas before the park would be open till 9 or later on those nights.... If there are enough folks for a party they would have had hours longer the 6 PM! So effectively Disney REDUCED the avaialble hours for MK unless you pay extra on party nights!

disney111
02-15-2008, 05:42 PM
I don't go to the parties but I'm not annoyed by them...honestly I almost like them in a way. The last two times I went to MK they had the PPP and during the day I didn't think it was that busy at all, walked right on Space Mountain two times in a row. I think a lot of people went to other parks because of the party. :)

Brian_WDW74
02-15-2008, 05:45 PM
I'm confused. isn't the P&PP party held after park closing? If it isn't, how does Disney keep people who have already paid admission to the park from going on the rides?

Yes and no. The park officially closes at 7PM for the party, but they don't physically close it down. When you present your ticket for the party, a CM places a wristband on you. Beginning at 7PM, people not wearing wristbands are no longer allowed to enter attractions, shops or restaurants. They're directed by CMs towards the exits, where they must either buy a party ticket (and get a wristband) or leave the park entirely.

disney111
02-15-2008, 05:45 PM
Yes, but now the park closes at 5 or 6 to let the "party" start. Whereas before the park would be open till 9 or later on those nights.... If there are enough folks for a party they would have had hours longer the 6 PM! So effectively Disney REDUCED the avaialble hours for MK unless you pay extra on party nights!

It's open until seven during the parties... and it's not like they are taking hours away from you or trying to cheat anyone. Everyone that buys a ticket knows that it's only open until seven and if they decide to go it is their choice.

Feralpeg
02-15-2008, 05:46 PM
Yes, but now the park closes at 5 or 6 to let the "party" start. Whereas before the park would be open till 9 or later on those nights.... If there are enough folks for a party they would have had hours longer the 6 PM! So effectively Disney REDUCED the avaialble hours for MK unless you pay extra on party nights!

On party nights, MK is open until 7pm for non-party guests. At this time of year, the MK normally closes at 7pm. Park hours are extended for the parties. So, even without the parties, you would not be able to stay later unless you visit at a different time of year.

Personally, I love the P&PP. I think the fireworks are better than Wishes. I also love Hallowishes. I love watching all the folks in costume. Each to their own.

CanadianGuy
02-15-2008, 05:48 PM
What's next the "Earnings are down party?":rotfl:

Clearly you've seen the WDW Master Plan document for the next four years. :goodvibes

Actually, some might argue that's exactly what the P&PP was meant for..

ARRRR-nings are down matey.. let's throw a p-AARRRR-teee.. and invite me some princesses.. ARRRRRR-iel and ARRRRR-urora....

rlduvall
02-15-2008, 06:11 PM
I find it annoying, too. As Pete said on the DisUnplugged Podcast, paraphrasing: "Leave it to Disney to figure out how to sell two admission tickets for one day." :rolleyes:

FFerret
02-15-2008, 06:19 PM
I know this is going to come out harsher than I mean it to, but y'all have an annual pass, correct? But there's a conflict w/ when you can get a babysitter? Then I guess MK just isn't in the cards for that night. Sounds like y'all are somewhat local (more local than me in TX :) ) -- just shrug, grin and bare it.

Try again another week, month, whatever. And if it's like with us, where you go once in two or three years, forego the annual pass.

Having said that it is a bloody rip off. But I'm going to one anyways so I know there will be one night time at least when we go that the lines will be negotiable for my fam.

Tuffcookie
02-15-2008, 07:59 PM
Chloe's Mom,

I hear ya!

We went to MVMCP (party of 4 adults, 2 children) in Nov., paid dearly for the extra admissions, and IT RAINED!!!:sad1:

I will not pay for anything above our AP again.:sad2:

We will be back the first week in April. I have decided on the nights that MK closes early, we will be enjoying the ammenities at our resort more. Maybe that will be a good thing. We will arrive at the parks in the morning much more rested than we would be if we stayed up late!:)

TC:cool1:

MassJester
02-15-2008, 08:13 PM
I guess I just don't get it.

If the park would otherwise close at 7, and you get to stay until 7, how are you being cheated?

CanadianGuy
02-15-2008, 08:27 PM
For some days in later March, April and again in May .. the parks are open later than 7pm generally.. but they close at 7pm on those MP&P Party nights..

So.. in theory at least.. if you go to MK as a day guest that day.. you're not getting the 'full day'.

For the February and early March dates.. the parks generally close earlier .. 7pm or 8pm.

On the other hand.. if you think about paying 45$ and getting access to the park from 4pm to midnight.. AND all the special activities... you could argue the opposite.. that's an incredible value.

MassJester
02-15-2008, 08:28 PM
Ok, I see now.

dddisrunner
02-15-2008, 09:12 PM
I don't have an opinion really on the "parties" because I've never been. However, I completely disagree with how many there are scheduled when other "special events" are going on, especially for a relatively srowded time of year. For example we are arriving on 4/19 and staying until 4/30. Yes we are lucky enough to be there for 11 days BUT the Magic Kingdom will be closing early on 5 of those nights:scared1:

4/19 Grad Night
4/23 P&PP
4/25 Grad Night
4/26 Grad Night
4/29 P&PP

I am sorry but that is a little much! It took some serious hard core planning to fit MK into our schedule, especially for the nighttime parades and Wishes.:sad2:

reginaastralis
02-15-2008, 10:08 PM
If it makes you feel better ... I REALLY wanted to go to the P&PP last night, but we couldn't get an RV site for Fort Wilderness ... at all. My parents own the RV, so all it was going to cost me out of pocket was the price of the ticket. Now that was annoying. I'm sitting at home while they're at Disney b/c I didn't want to take the weekend off .. but I would have gone up for the day to spend the evening at the party with incredibly fewer people, great fireworks and cooler weather.

I can see how it would be a little on the aggravating side if it was the only night you could to MK w/o the kids ... but maybe take advantage of the kid swap. Is it the same, no ... but it works and it's fun and you get to ride the "big kid" rides.

Brian_WDW74
02-15-2008, 10:39 PM
I am sorry but that is a little much! It took some serious hard core planning to fit MK into our schedule, especially for the nighttime parades and Wishes.:sad2:

I'm not saying you may not have a valid complaint, but just to play devil's advocate:

Out of the other six nights you'll be there, MK is open until 11pm on five of them, and until 10pm on the remaining one. You don't say if you're staying on property, but if you are, MK will be open for evening EMH until 2am on the 20th and the 27th. And it will open at 8am for morning EMH on the 24th. That sure is a lot of time available to spend in MK. Is it really that inconvenient to visit MK on those days and visit the other three parks on the days it closes early?

tnmomof4
02-15-2008, 11:20 PM
For those of you that don't go to any of the parties, do you use Park Hopper tickets to just go to a different park before these parties start?

Also... another question.

I am going in Nov. and want to go to a MVMCP. I am getting 10 day MMY tickets w/ PH and WPF & More option. Should I change this to 9 day tickets w/ PH and WPF & More option. If I am going to pay extra for a ticket to MVMCP, then do I need a regular park ticket that day?

Brian_WDW74
02-15-2008, 11:45 PM
I am going in Nov. and want to go to a MVMCP. I am getting 10 day MMY tickets w/ PH and WPF & More option. Should I change this to 9 day tickets w/ PH and WPF & More option. If I am going to pay extra for a ticket to MVMCP, then do I need a regular park ticket that day?

You don't really need a regular ticket for the day. You will be allowed to enter MK with just your MVMCP ticket beginning at 4PM. Many people choose to spend the morning of the party relaxing at their resort, shopping, or doing other activities outside of the parks. It's up to you if you'd rather buy that extra 10th day and visit a park in the morning. It's only about $2 more than a 9 day ticket. :)

CarolA
02-16-2008, 07:25 AM
I'm not saying you may not have a valid complaint, but just to play devil's advocate:

Out of the other six nights you'll be there, MK is open until 11pm on five of them, and until 10pm on the remaining one. You don't say if you're staying on property, but if you are, MK will be open for evening EMH until 2am on the 20th and the 27th. And it will open at 8am for morning EMH on the 24th. That sure is a lot of time available to spend in MK. Is it really that inconvenient to visit MK on those days and visit the other three parks on the days it closes early?


OK so all of you claiming the "park would close at 7 anyway" WHY do you claim that? Look at this schedule. In other words there are enough folks there to have the parks open until LATE at on other nights during the same week as a "Party" So on the one day that there is a Party your available hours at MK are reduced by between 3 and 4 unless you want to pay extra for a few Princesses in costume.. Hmmmm.....

(I am back to the "Earnings are Down Party" LOL!)

It really doesn't impact me. I can't actually tell you the last time I went to MK, but I think it was December 2006 and it was for MVMCP which I think is an "event" not a "money grab". (And I have been to Disney numerous times since then. I am not local just crazy!:banana: )

Chloe'sMom
02-16-2008, 08:51 AM
Yes, but now the park closes at 5 or 6 to let the "party" start. Whereas before the park would be open till 9 or later on those nights.... If there are enough folks for a party they would have had hours longer the 6 PM! So effectively Disney REDUCED the avaialble hours for MK unless you pay extra on party nights!

Yep there are 2 parties booked during our stay in April and since we are only going for 5 nights that limits things a bit.

~Amanda

Chloe'sMom
02-16-2008, 08:54 AM
I know this is going to come out harsher than I mean it to, but y'all have an annual pass, correct? But there's a conflict w/ when you can get a babysitter? Then I guess MK just isn't in the cards for that night. Sounds like y'all are somewhat local (more local than me in TX :) ) -- just shrug, grin and bare it.

Try again another week, month, whatever. And if it's like with us, where you go once in two or three years, forego the annual pass.

Having said that it is a bloody rip off. But I'm going to one anyways so I know there will be one night time at least when we go that the lines will be negotiable for my fam.

Um - no. I'm in St. Louis - some friends of ours from Penn are meeting us down there. But they have their own vacation plans and we have ours. We buy annual passes because we are DVC owners - and we are going this specific week because my husband turns 30.

~Amanda

FFerret
02-16-2008, 09:20 AM
Um - no. I'm in St. Louis - some friends of ours from Penn are meeting us down there. But they have their own vacation plans and we have ours. We buy annual passes because we are DVC owners - and we are going this specific week because my husband turns 30.

~Amanda

Oh, hey--my brothers and step dad are in St Louis (Maryland Heights). Wasn't there a recent day where it was in the 70s and then at night the 20s? Yikes.

I agree that it's rough on families visiting to have the PPPs so close in dates--we're there for five nights/six days of tickets. And PPP is on the first and third night. It's frustrating. First weekend of April.

On the other hand I broked down and signed up for the first PPP. Since y'all have APs the discount is a good one for PPP just in case you decide the ol' if you can't be 'em join 'em :)

MassJester
02-16-2008, 09:31 AM
Yep there are 2 parties booked during our stay in April and since we are only going for 5 nights that limits things a bit.

~Amanda

I don't mean to be obtuse, but doesn't that leave you three nights to choose from?

FFerret
02-16-2008, 09:36 AM
I don't mean to be obtuse, but doesn't that leave you three nights to choose from?


Something to remember though--each of those three will be congested now w/ guests who didn't do the PPPs but still want to get an MK night in. Disney should really have that in mind when they schedule and try to space 'em out more.

OhMari
02-16-2008, 11:08 AM
I'm going the 2nd week in Nov. I saw last years calendar and that week started the Christmas Party at the MK. 3 times that week. I sure as heck don't want to pay extra to be in the park at nite. I saw wishes is at 6:00 p.m. I figured we will go eat over at the Poly and then watch the christmas fireworks at 9:00.

Does anyone remember if they did PPP during the christmas season?

CanadianGuy
02-16-2008, 11:09 AM
Mari

No.. they did not. Only Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party.

:)

Knox

bluenosemickey
02-16-2008, 11:16 AM
We were there over xmas and there were no parties other than MVMCP. And the last night for that was the 19th that year. We paid to attend, didn't realize that we didn't need to use our park passes to enter after 4pm.
It rained buckets that night and we weren't overly impressed with the evening.
But now, we've been there done that and don't need to do it again!

bluenosemickey
02-16-2008, 11:17 AM
I might add, as a canadian, the fake snow was not the bonus it was meant to be either! The kids thought it was really weird.

Chloe'sMom
02-16-2008, 02:59 PM
I don't mean to be obtuse, but doesn't that leave you three nights to choose from?

Yes - but as I said - we only have the baby sitter for ONE NIGHT and they are on their own vacation as well therefore I can't really impose a whole lot more.

~Amanda

Chloe'sMom
02-16-2008, 03:02 PM
Oh, hey--my brothers and step dad are in St Louis (Maryland Heights). Wasn't there a recent day where it was in the 70s and then at night the 20s? Yikes.

I agree that it's rough on families visiting to have the PPPs so close in dates--we're there for five nights/six days of tickets. And PPP is on the first and third night. It's frustrating. First weekend of April.

On the other hand I broked down and signed up for the first PPP. Since y'all have APs the discount is a good one for PPP just in case you decide the ol' if you can't be 'em join 'em :)

Yes on Thursday it got to the low 60's (I would have loved 70's) and by midnight it was back in the 20's and has stayed there since then. That's why we say in St. Louis - if you don't like the weather - wait 5 minutes.:laughing:

It's the princple of the thing now about going during PPP and spending the extra money. I'm not saying it won't happen but it burns my wallet to do so when I've already spent a good chunk of chage on annual passes.

:laughing: Maybe I'll go but wear a T-shirt saying - "BOYCOT PPP!"

~Amanda

Chloe'sMom
02-16-2008, 03:03 PM
I might add, as a canadian, the fake snow was not the bonus it was meant to be either! The kids thought it was really weird.

The snow was cute but since we get snow all the time it didn't quite have the "wow" factor for us either. When we went to the Xmas party back in 2004 you got 2 parades, the cool fireworks, cookies, hot chocolate, a family photo and a couple different shows. I hear they have cut back drastically the amount of "extras" but the price has stayed the same or higher.

~amanda

ssaa
02-16-2008, 03:19 PM
Some have said that the park closes at 7pm anyway...it does not. In mid-May MK is open every night till 9, 10 or 11pm, but is closing at 7pm on both P&PP nights. So it reduces our play-time by a MINIMUM of 2 hours on those nights.

So yes, it is a pain, it forces us, and lots of other guests to be there the remaining nights, making it more congested for the 'non P&PP' guests.

I'm already paying $1050 :scared1: for 2 adults and 2 kids to visit the parks (inc park hopper)...I shouldn't have to pay another almost $200 for a 'party' that lasts 5 hours (but cuts 4 hours of my paid time?):confused:

I could understand 2 or 3 parties a month...but this is too much!

CarolA
02-16-2008, 03:27 PM
May I suggest those of you who feel this is a bit much swing by Guest Services and complain! If I was a MK visitor I probably would, but complaining from Epcot seems picky LOL!

Chloe'sMom
02-16-2008, 03:40 PM
May I suggest those of you who feel this is a bit much swing by Guest Services and complain! If I was a MK visitor I probably would, but complaining from Epcot seems picky LOL!

I've already decided that I am going to issue a complain at guest services, and also give it to them in writing as well. As much good as it will do me. :)

~Amanda

PrincessKara22
02-16-2008, 03:57 PM
Are you staying on property those five days? Maybe, rather than interrupt your friends plans, do MK on another night and leave your daughter at one of the kids clubs at the resorts? That way you can do the grown up rides without her at MK on a non PPP night AND still have another night with a babysitter for a romantic birthday dinner or shopping or something! :)

Chloe'sMom
02-16-2008, 04:05 PM
Are you staying on property those five days? Maybe, rather than interrupt your friends plans, do MK on another night and leave your daughter at one of the kids clubs at the resorts? That way you can do the grown up rides without her at MK on a non PPP night AND still have another night with a babysitter for a romantic birthday dinner or shopping or something! :)

Thanks for the suggestion but she isn't old enough for the kids clubs, and I'm not comfortable leaving her with a service.

~amanda

OhMari
02-16-2008, 06:32 PM
Mari

No.. they did not. Only Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party.

:)

Knox

Thanks Knox. I know we can knock out MK by 11:00-12. Take a rest and come back around 4.

mouseman41
02-16-2008, 08:01 PM
The park closes at 7pm which is normal during the off season. It was designed to bring in more revenue during the off season. What has happened is that it has become very popular and it has extended during the regular and peak season as well. Sounds to me like a great business decision. I look forward to going because it is something different. It does not work out for everyone but what does. Hope you have a great trip anyway!!!

Mickey's Neighbor
02-16-2008, 08:34 PM
It doesn't really affect us because we are local but on the nights of the P&PP Wishes isn't done. That would be my biggest complaint. This month there certainly is a difference in the times the park is open on the nights there is and isn't a party.

We were there one of the days the Halloween parties were happening but we were able to just go to a different park at 7 so again it didn't affect us but I would be sad to miss Wishes if I was here for a few days and couldn't see Wishes for some reason.

stellablue
02-16-2008, 08:42 PM
We actually found the PPP a bit of a hindrance during our recent trip, though I guess evening EMH made up for it. I don't mind MVMCP because it's part of a holiday celebration, but I would like it better if PPP was down to only once a month. Just my HO!:goodvibes

hoosiergirl7
02-16-2008, 11:54 PM
I don't have a problem with the holiday parties such as MNSSHP & MVMCP. However the 5-6 months of P&PP's is ridiculous to say the least. And I've also heard that this year they have not been fun at all. The only P&PP during our trip in April is the first night we arrive and after getting up at 3:30 am to make a 6 am flight, there is no way I will be up for the party. Plus I'd rather spend that money on something else anyhow!

MassJester
02-17-2008, 04:39 AM
And I've also heard that this year they have not been fun at all.

I imagine that if they aren't fun, they'll stop drawing and Disney will stop doing them.

maxiesmom
02-17-2008, 07:27 AM
It does make it a little harder to plan your days, but not impossible. I just look up the party nights, and adjust my plans accordingly. No biggie.

I am always amazed when people complain about Disney making money. That is why the exist, right? We all like to think they exist to bring joy and happiness to us and our little ones, but Disney is a business, and they are beholden to their stockholders to make a big profit.

It is rather smart on their part. They charge us more to enter a park on a party night, and many of us willingly pay it.

casajump
02-24-2008, 09:41 AM
It's after hours. They are a blast! Tons of people there, viva la "parties!"

Shir Kahn
02-24-2008, 07:13 PM
There are a bunch of P&PP's during our trip, however we're people who love to use the EMH and none of the MK EMH coincide with the parties obviously, so it doesn't affect us at all! :goodvibes