NEW info on the Exp Everest 5K up on the WWoS

[DianeL]

though they are still not saying what the obstacles will be :eek:

Sounds like it will be fun. Have your sound on but maybe low, DH had the site up and I didn't know there was sound. I thought it was cute when I heard it.

[cobbler]

Ok, is it just me or does it seem like they are having you do the 5k almost twice. Once for the run and then once for the scavenger hunt? It says you do the run, then you do the obstacle course at the Finish area, then you go back into the park and find the cluses for the scavenger hunt. I wonder if you get your medal before or after the hunt? And I wonder how the time limit will work?

Of course being Disney I am sure they won't be that hard to find, maybe some big balloons with an X marks the spot type thing like they do when you trick or treat at MNSSHP ;)

Still sounds like fun.

I do notice that it will start at 7pm, this is kind of nice, I am sure it is so there will be minimal disturbance for the animals. PLUS the party is form 10pm to midnight, much better than the ToT race where we didn't even start until 10pm.

There is a lot of good info in the FAQ part, no cast/DVC discount and also people who want to see the race WON'T be allowed in the park, just at the start/finish area.

I am going to sign up right away, wonder what the limit will be?

[cobbler]

I just found the FAQ part - LOL!

Good info out so far. Can't wait for next week to sign up!

[cobbler]

Bumping up for those who haven't seen it.

[TnTsParty]

I am so in for this race. I just read the info off to my DH and we are excited. Looks like we will be signing up as a team. Sounds like a race mixed in with a little Amazing Race. How cool!!!! Besides EE is one of our FAVORITE rides. We might be on it from 10PM-12AM - the whole party.

[ultramickeymouse]

I have a prediction that ToT 13K will be just like this race in October. I believe Disney won't release details of ToT 13K until they see how EEC starts to fill.

I figure they will force us to get a day pass and offer no discounts. The fee was already $60 and I figure they will raise it to $100 and include a tech shirt instead of a cotton one. Hopefully enough AP'ers will complain and we can get Disney to give us discount. Never know.

Also, I figure they will offer more park time(as with EEC) after the complaints of many not getting almost any "party" time or rides.

[mrsschlep]

Any word on if AP holders can give the 1 day park tickets away or do they have to be used by registered racer?

[ultramickeymouse]

Any word on if AP holders can give the 1 day park tickets away or do they have to be used by registered racer?

I think you can give them away(or sell).

[cobbler]

I am the only AP holder in my family so I am going to give my ticket to my youngest son. So for right now I don't mind that you have to get the extra ticket because I have 3 family members I can give them too.

However I think they are doing things better than the ToT race and hopefully these new things they are doing was from a learned lesson for that race. Like starting the race before the party and making everything with the race finalized before the party is to start.

However I wonder the reason for not allowing spectators into AK for the race. I am assuming it has something to do with the animals but maybe it was crowd control because according to my hubby who watched me do the ToT, getting into MGM was terrible and so disorganized.

[perfectmatch300]

Sounds interesting! I'm off to check it out.

We are AP holders, so I may be one of the ones complaining about that, but if we have to pay for tickets I guess we could use them the next time Barry's kids come down.

[Maherae]

perfectmatch300/Nancy, FYI, the tickets are only good for Sept 26 - Oct 10, 2008. I thought that was a bummer. :(

[ArelysAdriana]

Oh, that race sounds fun! It is the day after my birthday too :)

[ultramickeymouse]

Here is what is new on Disney's site. It look like no transportation(again) like ToT. Want to bet they change this as nobody can walk to AK like they could to DHS :sad2: Can't they just figure something out:confused3

The have some special Hotel rates which look good!

Specially priced hotel rooms are available for Expedition Everest™ Challenge participants and their friends and family. You are invited to stay "where dreams come true" by booking a room at the WALT DISNEY WORLD® Resort. The following resorts are currently available:


Disney's All Star Sports Resort - $61 a night
Disney's Coronado Springs Resort - $102 a night
Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge - $155 a night

To reserve a room, please call (407) 938-4868.

Please note: Transportation is not provided. You will be responsible for your own transportation to and from the event.

[mrsschlep]

Does that just mean that there is no special race transportation? Will there still be disney transportation (buses)?? Or does that stop when the park closes? What time does the park close?
Sorry so many ???s

[MiniGirl]

I'm still hoping to talk dh into this one. I'm a CM and he's a pass holder, so we don't need the tix either. Of course, he isn't a Disney freak like the rest of us, so we may not renew his pass this year. In that case, the tix would work.

I am a little bummed about the way the race seems to be set up. I was thinking it would be a mini-Amazing Race kind of thing. You know, go 1/2 mile, come across an obstacle, complete it to get a clue for the scavenger hunt, go a little further down the line, etc. Instead it looks to be more like a triathalon. Complete the 5K, then do all the obstacles, then the scavenger hunt.

Oh well..... I still hope we're there. I wonder how quickly it'll fill up.

[TnTsParty]

Those are great rates for the hotels - I was thinking go cheap and stay at All Stars but with AKL only $155 I think I can do that for one night.

Oh the decisions!!

[blizzard]

I talked to DH about EEC yesterday, and he said, "Make it Happen". :love:

Now I just need to wait until the end of the month to try and snag a 7 month DVC reservation at AKV. I won't register for the race until we have a place to stay.

Sure hope they get some transportation sorted out, as we will likely do Magical Express and Disney Transportation for the weekend. I suppose I could check on a cheap weekend rental if need be, but I was actually looking forward to using ME for a change.

[ultramickeymouse]

Does that just mean that there is no special race transportation? Will there still be disney transportation (buses)?? Or does that stop when the park closes? What time does the park close?
Sorry so many ???s

Fot the ToT 13K, Disney said the same thing. Including up to expo that there was no race transporation. They added some transportation late but most people didn't know abouti it. Most people took other transporation to BW and walked to DHS.

If(as stated) Disney doesn't provided transportation, I don't know how you will get there unless you drive or take a cab. I think AK closes around 5:00pm so unless you get there real early and hang around you are out of luck. You could walk from AKL but it there is no sidewalk and narrow grass areas.

The real problem is after the party at midnight. It would be really dangerous walking back in the dark. Even if you get to AKL, you would have to take a bus to DTD and another to your resort.

[Jodi]

OK, am I reading what they're saying right? You need a ticket to get into Animal Kingdom for the party, but if you're registered, that's included, correct? Non-participants can get a ticket for $25 for 2 hours of "partying".

The one day ticket you get for registering can only be used @ EPCOT or AK??? Why is that, I wonder? And, I wonder if you can upgrade to a hopper? Man, there are a lot of restrictions (& no transportation). Still, I think I'm going to have to go:rotfl:

[ultramickeymouse]

OK, am I reading what they're saying right? You need a ticket to get into Animal Kingdom for the party, but if you're registered, that's included, correct? Non-participants can get a ticket for $25 for 2 hours of "partying".

The one day ticket you get for registering can only be used @ EPCOT or AK??? Why is that, I wonder? And, I wonder if you can upgrade to a hopper? Man, there are a lot of restrictions (& no transportation). Still, I think I'm going to have to go:rotfl:

Runners get in free to the party. Non runners $25 for 2 hrs.

One day ticket to EPCOT or AK is they want peole in those parks and not in MK or DHS. Trust me know upgrades as they don't give AP'ers any discounts.

Disney always puts lots of restrictions. Sounds like fun but $100:confused3

[cobbler]

Only 2 more days until registration. I am excited :)

[Cherylbug]

I think Christy and I are gonna do this race too. I'm just very nervous as to what the obstacles are going to be. Do you think it will sort of be like "boot camp"? I guess I better start strength training. I'm so bad about that.

[ScoJo15]

I think Christy and I are gonna do this race too. I'm just very nervous as to what the obstacles are going to be. Do you think it will sort of be like "boot camp"? I guess I better start strength training. I'm so bad about that.

In the FAQ on the Disney site, it says that the obstacles will not be difficult...but the racers will have to have fun with them.

I'm guessing things won't be too challenging :)

[Cherylbug]

Thanks Scott. That's good to know because I lack ALOT when it comes to upper body strength! I was hoping since this is Disney that it would be kinda "beginner" friendly!

[ultramickeymouse]

New day, different story.

Was: No transportation!

Now: Please note: Transportation is ONLY provided to and from the host hotels listed above. You will be responsible for your own transportation to and from the event if you are NOT staying at one of the above listed hotels.

[DianeL]

Cheryl!!! Go for it with the strength trainnig! It will be great working on the core muscles and that can only be great news for your racing right :thumbsup2 I'm using the EE5K right now (especially now since it's cold) to do the circuit at the gym and to build back to the weight levels I was doing back before Christmas. I really think that the circuit worked great on helping me finish the race as I knew I would need a stronger core for the marathon.

Go for it Cheryl!!! finishing the circuit always gives me a great mood boost. :hug:

Scott I hope it's more fun than tough. Some of the group has met my Mom (Barb) and she's sooo excited about the race. Which has spilled over to my Dad. Mom has now completed 3 5K's (Flying Pig, DL and WDW) and the 6.5K ToT. She's getting better as to pushing herself out and just when I was not going to sign her up anymore comes the EE5K and SHE is the one calling me when they update it. SHE is the one all but bouncing off the walls.

This will be Dad's 1st event. He's been walking/riding his bike with Mom but he'll have to get to work on it because I don't know if he currently can do the 16 min mile. Mom has been leaving him in the dust if she were to pick up speed. So it shall be an interesting spring/summer with those 2. LOL Mom has already stated that I have to come over and walk in her park since she has the really big hills by her LOL

Ray and I are wanting to do this. I keep saying I will wait and see how it fills and continue to watch airfare. But I have this feeling Ray will have us signed up Friday LOL Ray even sent the race details to a friend in FL LOL The 2 I didn't think would be excited about it are the ones that are the most LOL

Happy training everyone!!! I hope you all have warmer training weather to out in. :cheer2:

[blizzard]

New day, different story.

Was: No transportation!

Now: Please note: Transportation is ONLY provided to and from the host hotels listed above. You will be responsible for your own transportation to and from the event if you are NOT staying at one of the above listed hotels.

Excellent! We are SO there!:dance3:

[TnTsParty]

Tomorrow is sign up day for this. This is what I asked my DH for Valentines Day!! No need for flowers that will die in a few days. I can only imagine the memories we will make at doing this event together. Much more meaningful (to me anyway) than a bunch of expensive flowers.

[sk8ingmom]

From the FAQ's:

How long is the theme park ticket valid for? The theme park tickets are valid from September 26, 2008 through October 10, 2008. Theme park ticket entitles you to one day of admission to Disney's Animal Kingdom® Theme Park or Epcot®. Some activities/events may be separately priced. Ticket types and entitlements are subject to change without notice. Tickets are non-transferrable, non-refundable, must be picked up at Packet Pick-Up and will not be mailed. Parking is not-included.

IMHO this is a load of hooey!

"Sure AP holders, you still have to pay for a ticket. Unfortunately, despite operating hte world's most sophisticated ticketing system, we can't for the life of us figure out how to let people register for this race without including this very limited ticket that you don't need and can't sell or even give to anyone else and may eventually be turned into a ticket that is only valid at Blizzard Beach December 20-22, 2014. But isn't it great that a ticket is included in this race package????"

What we are really doing is paying for the party on top of the race. Why bother calling it anything other than an "After race celebration ticket".

I'm annoyed. If DH wasn't so jazzed about this & they weren't offering $155 for AKL, I wouldn't be doing this.

Oh well. Suckered again.

[twoWDWfools]

I was so hoping to do this but DH is holding back. Seems to think since we're going for ToT that it's too close together. :confused3

Anyone need a team mate? :)

[DianeL]

Well I had to go and check to see if they opened it early and I'm not sure if the register link was operating earlier today but it's working now but when I click on thru to see if I can register this is what is says....

"Sorry: Online registration is not yet open for this event. Online registration will be available on Thursday, February 14, 2008 09:00 PM Pacific Time"

[sk8ingmom]

Despite my rant yesterday, we're in. :thumbsup2
Registered this morning - DH was driving me nuts!

We'll be at AKL - couldn't pass up the $155 rate.

[CarolA]

I just can't decide on this one.

After TOT I swore I wasn't doing a first time race again since Disney seemed to learn at our expense LOL! Plus I don't need the ticket!!!!!

But I already have a reservation at DVC that weekend... hmm....

[TnTsParty]

I went ahead and signed me and DH for this. He too bugged me this morning about signing up.

[Maherae]

DH and I are in!! Can't believe I signed us up without knowing what the obstacles are!!! :eek:

[jeanneg]

I'm signed up for it also! Hubby can't take the time off, so I am bringing my older son, Adam. He's the one who is like a great big kid, so I am sure we will have fun together.

[cobbler]

My hubby and I are signed up. Pretty excited :)

[MiniGirl]

My dh and I are signed up, too. It'll be his first race, and shhhh..... don't tell him, but I'm hoping the Disney Endurance bug gets him.

Should be fun!!

[bonzie1]

This one sounds like fun, but for AP holders, the price sounds steep.

Does anyone know where we can write to "suggest" :goodvibes a lower cost if you don't need the ticket?

Thanks!

ONE MORE QUESTION: How big can a team be? Anyone know if you can add a 3rd or 4th person, or if you must only have 2?

JUST FOUND MY ANSWERS:
A team consists of just 2 people.

Who do I contact if I have other questions?
Please contact us at 407-938-3398 or via email at wdw.sports.marathon.endurance@disneysports.com

[bonzie1]

Has anyone heard back as to why Disney is including the 1 day ticket in the package? I have an e-mail out, but so far, I haven't received a response. Thanks!

Also, is there another thread I should be using with more complete information following this event. Thanks again!

[CarolA]

Has anyone heard back as to why Disney is including the 1 day ticket in the package? I have an e-mail out, but so far, I haven't received a response. Thanks!

!



$$$$$

[MainStMandy]

Does anyone know how fast this is filling up??? I am trying to convince dbf but he's a bit shy cause of the price....

[blizzard]

Does anyone know how fast this is filling up??? I am trying to convince dbf but he's a bit shy cause of the price....

I'm wondering the same thing. Do they post the % as it's filling up, like the marathon weekend events? I'd just as soon wait to shell out $195, but I also don't want to miss out.

[ultramickeymouse]

Here is a Disney Press Release I received yesterday:

Disney’s Expedition Everest Challenge presented by Champion
To Provide Unique Test of Skills and Thrills

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. (Feb. 25, 2008) – Runners looking to test themselves beyond just physical endurance will find a unique test of skills – and thrills – in the inaugural Disney’s Expedition Everest Challenge presented by Champion in September.

Disney’s Expedition Everest Challenge presented by Champion is the first urban adventure race among Disney’s Endurance Series, offering a rare combination of physical and mental challenges that will require competitors to be quick on their feet – literally and figuratively. The nighttime event, which debuts Sept. 27 at Disney’s Animal Kingdom, will begin with a 5K run through the theme park, then transition to a fun obstacle course and finish with a scavenger hunt that will require a “passport,” creating the ultimate test of physical stamina as well as intellectual endurance along with a traditional dose of Disney magic.

“Disney’s Expedition Everest Challenge presented by Champion was created to offer runners a new experience, combining the best elements of some of our other endurance series races – running through a theme park and maneuvering through obstacles with a partner – and adding a scavenger hunt as an exciting new element at the end of the event,” said Kathleen Duran, Area Sports manager for Disney’s Wide World of Sports. “Creating the Expedition Everest Challenge presented by Champion adds another dimension to our Endurance Series, which continues to offer competitors of all ages and skill levels unforgettable endurance experiences.”

Participants can compete in various divisions – men’s individual, women’s individual, men’s team, women’s team and co-ed team – and can register now for the event online at www.disneyeverestchallenge.com. The registration fee is $195 for team entry and $100 for individuals. Each participant receives a one-day ticket to Disney’s Animal Kingdom or Epcot, a Champion performance apparel shirt, a finisher medal, as well as admission to the exclusive Expedition Everest Challenge post-event party hosted by Champion.
Disney’s Expedition Everest Challenge presented by Champion is part of Champion’s new “How To Play Weekend” at Disney, which includes Disney’s Mixed/Co-Ed Fall Festival adult slowpitch softball tournament Sept. 28-30.

Disney’s Endurance Series gives recreational athletes of all ages and abilities the chance to walk, jog, run and swim their way “around the world.” From running marathons to road races and triathlons, participating athletes from across the country and around the world compete to stay in shape, achieve personal-best times and often to raise charitable donations.

Popular Endurance Series events include the Walt Disney World Marathon and Half Marathon (January), Disney’s Race for the Taste 10K (October) and The Twilight Zone™ Tower of Terror 13K (October). For more information, please visit www.disneyenduranceseries.com.

About Disney’s Wide World of Sports Complex

Opened in 1997 at Walt Disney World, Disney’s Wide World of Sports Complex is the premier sports venue for amateur and professional sports in the United States. The sprawling 220-acre state-of-the-art complex is home to more than 180 amateur and professional sports events each year, including the NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers training camp, the Major League Baseball Atlanta Braves spring training and a Tampa Bay Rays regular-season series, the Pop Warner Super Bowl and the AAU National Championship events. The complex features The Milk House, a 165,000-square-foot field house which seats 5,000 for basketball; the 9,500-seat Champion Stadium ballpark; and the Hess Sports Fields, which include multiple baseball, softball and soccer fields. In addition, the complex has 10 tennis courts, including a stadium court and a track& field complex.
To meet the growing demand for elite events at the complex, Disney’s Wide World of Sports is expanding the facility in summer 2008 with the construction of the Jostens Center, a multi-sport field house that will double the complex’s ability to stage indoor events.

[bonzie1]

Thanks for the update. This does sound like a fun event. We're just holdiing out due to the $100 fee and the unneeded day ticket.

I sent a letter to the race coordinators last night inquiring as to why they "included" a park ticket vs. "offering" one. I am awaiting a reply. We have held off signing up for this due to the very steep price.

We so enjoyed the TOT last year and were able to get our feet wet by doing the 6.5K instead of the 13K. :goodvibes Just participating with baby steps has opened our eyes to other events.

To have the price increase to $100 for this one, which includes the $35 ticket, just makes little sense except for Disney's bottom line. Should I hear a response I will post it.

[bonzie1]

I received a repsonse about the forced day ticket... it was standard and did not answer my question. I was hoping for a bit of honesty :goodvibes



Subject:
Re: Expedition Everest Challenge Question
From: WDW Sports Marathon Endurance <wdw.sports.marathon.endurance@disneysports.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:00:38 -0800
To: bonzie1

Georgie -

Thank you for taking the time to send your feedback to us. Due to the
limited capacity of this Inaugural event, discounts and special pricing
will not be available. We will, however, take your feedback into
consideration for next year's event.

Thank you,
Disney Sports


Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Hi!

I'm sure you've gotten tons of e-mails on this already.

We are interested in this event, but as AP holders do not need/want to
purchase a separate park ticket for the event. Is there a reason you
decided not to have 2 different ticket prices, one for AP holders and
one for those who need a ticket? This decision by WDW has left many with a
disappointed opinion on the future path of Disney events, and your creative
increases in prices.

One would assume this is a way to for Disney "make extra $" on the
event. I don't want to fall into that category of naysayers, and wanted to ask as to why this was done. I can understand if you are selling this as a hard coded ticketed event i.e. MNSSHP or MVMCP, etc, but in past races, the event price included the party afterwards, so I am left feeling puzzled at this new approach.

Thanks for sharing your insight.

Georgie

[cobbler]

Is it me or did they take away the free 3 months subscription to fitness or whatever the magazine was?

[bonzie1]

I followed up on the ticket inclusion and finally did get a "un-canned" response. They know full well they could have offered an option, and chose not to. It would have taken very little effort. ;)

----- Original Message -----
From WDW Sports Marathon Endurance <wdw.sports.marathon.endurance@disneysports.com>
Date Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:51:08 -0800
To bonozie1
Subject Re: Expedition Everest Challenge Question
Georgie-
The ticket was included in with the registration package because of
guest feedback.

A lot of our Endurance race participants wanted to see a theme park ticket included with registration to make it easier on them. Basically, this saves them another step of having to search out a ticket to purchase during registration or waiting to purchase when they arrive here at Walt Disney World.

We decided to try the registration with the included ticket for the
Everest event because it is a new event and one of our smaller Endurance
events to gauge the success rate.

Thanks.

Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Disney Sports,

Thanks for taking time to reply. I am following up as my original question wasn't answered. Why was the decision made to include a ticket into a park? I wasn't looking for a discount, just an answer as to why Disney decided to tack on an unnecessary ticket into the registration fee. The ticket adds an additional expense for those of us who already have an AP.

I'm glad you will take this into consideration for next year.

[bgsnmky]

"Sure AP holders, you still have to pay for a ticket. Unfortunately, despite operating hte world's most sophisticated ticketing system, we can't for the life of us figure out how to let people register for this race without including this very limited ticket that you don't need and can't sell or even give to anyone else and may eventually be turned into a ticket that is only valid at Blizzard Beach December 20-22, 2014. But isn't it great that a ticket is included in this race package????"

What we are really doing is paying for the party on top of the race. Why bother calling it anything other than an "After race celebration ticket".

I'm annoyed. If DH wasn't so jazzed about this & they weren't offering $155 for AKL, I wouldn't be doing this.

Oh well. Suckered again.

I asked this question in an email and they said you can give them (which of course to me meant to sell them to someone else)

[sk8ingmom]

I asked this question in an email and they said you can give them (which of course to me meant to sell them to someone else)

I'm glad if that is the answer. I was going by the race FAQs that says non-transferrable.

How long is the theme park ticket valid for? The theme park tickets are valid from September 26, 2008 through October 10, 2008. Theme park ticket entitles you to one day of admission to Disney's Animal Kingdom® Theme Park or Epcot®. Some activities/events may be separately priced. Ticket types and entitlements are subject to change without notice. Tickets are non-transferrable, non-refundable, must be picked up at Packet Pick-Up and will not be mailed. Parking is not-included.

[bgsnmky]

I questioned them again yesterday and they said:

Stacey-
The race registration fee in nontransferable.
Thanks.
the race

But I cut and pasted what was off the website and am asking them to clarify or change the website. I will keep you posted.

[bonzie1]

Hi All!

I also asked about the included ticket being transferable. Good News! It is! :woohoo: Their only stipulation is that it must be picked up by the registrant. At least they've relaxed their original stance on the tickets. :thumbsup2


Here is their reply to my request:

Georgie,

Thank you for your feedback and we are looking into offering the ticket as an option next year.

Yes, you will be able to pass the tickets onto someone else. They will just need to be picked up by you.
Disney Sports

My note:
Dear Disney Endurance Team,

A question about the registration for this inagural event.

We just registered for the Minnie 5 K and noticed the purchasing of a park ticket is optional... NOT required.

We are Annual Pass Holders and do NOT need the extra tickets. It looks like there was an oversite in requiring everyone to purchase the ticket, especially when other Disney races makes this optional. The convenience is there for those who would like to purchase the ticket.

I've read elsewhere you are making no exceptions and are forcing everyone to purchase the package as presented regardless of ticket need. The event sounds very exciting, but is steep if you don't need the ticket. As a consolation, may we pass the tickets along to others? There is a possibility we may be celebrating my mother's 80th birthday with our family, here at WDW. I would like to let my Mom + Dad use these tickets, since they will already be paid for.

Thank you for your understanding. Please offer the tickets as a OPTION next year.

Sincerely,
Georgie

[bgsnmky]

FYI, I just got the same answer today!! So you can give/or whatever to someone else!:cool1:

[sk8ingmom]

Well, that's a little better than I thought it would be, but still annoying.

[BigFanOfTheWorld]

If any of the APs out there would like to sell their park tickets, I could use three. I signed up for the EEC with two friends, and we were going to fly in on Friday, go to EPCOT with our tix on Friday, then hit AK or EPCOT on Saturday.

Thanks
Team Sweaty Yeti

[bgsnmky]

If any of the APs out there would like to sell their park tickets, I could use three. I signed up for the EEC with two friends, and we were going to fly in on Friday, go to EPCOT with our tix on Friday, then hit AK or EPCOT on Saturday.

Thanks
Team Sweaty Yeti

Just sent you a PM...I wil have two...
YettiNeverRest!

[cobbler]

I think I bought an extra on accident so I will have one as well if you need it. I will send you a PM

[bgsnmky]

If any of the APs out there would like to sell their park tickets, I could use three. I signed up for the EEC with two friends, and we were going to fly in on Friday, go to EPCOT with our tix on Friday, then hit AK or EPCOT on Saturday.

Thanks
Team Sweaty Yeti

Hey Swety Yeti...
Just checking to see if you are interseted in the tickets...as you reminded me I need to sell mine...so I am going to try to put the on the board/craiglist or something, but wanted to give you first dibbs.