Future of WISH Shirts - Everyone Needed

[wtpclc]

OK, right now we have orders going for Race Ready adn Alertshirt shirts and there is a whole new designed proposed for Eye2Eye.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b60/wdwoct2005/green222.jpg

Here are teh concerns I noted on teh eye2eye thread:

1. While teh color does differ a bit on teh RR shirts, it's teh same design. I really don't want different designs and 3 colors. We don't look like a ream any more.

2. WIth alertshirt (does the original WISH shirt), we can get very reasonabley priced scream team shirts. Matching teh design would eb hard, though and more expensive, if possible at all if we changed to the new design.

3. I don't know that everyone is popping in here, as not everyone is looking to get a new shirt. If we are changing the design, we need to get everyone's opinion. Perhaps we should start a new thread with a title like, "The Future of WISH shirts."

FInally, teh design is SUnny's I don't feel rigth changing it withough her input. I hate to bother her, as it sounds like life is far from easy right now, but I'm going to see if she will chime in too. At least give her the opportunity, as she came up with the base idea while teh WISHers at teh time gave input. As Mel said, the shirt was a team effort adn we need to look at this like a team again.

However, ther are people who were promised that we could get them WISH shirts before Minnie. I'm at a loss. I hate to think of people spendng teh $ now and then we change directiosn with the shirts, ut I want everone who wants a shirt to be able to get one.
Please give your opinions, even if you are not planning on ordering now or anytime soon. The original shirts were a team decision adn I think future shirts need to be too.

Immediate concerns are whether or not Mel adn I shoudl eb placing orders with a possible new design coming.

Thanks fro everyone's help.

[CarolA]

OK.

I have an order in for both the Original and the Race Ready.

I am not a fan of anything that has come up in the Eye2Eye thread and would really perfer at least one option for a non print shirt remain. I can't see me wearing the castle on my chest LOL!

And I have some concerns about copyright on the Eye2Eye Design. Disney is generally OK with "personal" use. Does a hundred (or even 50) folks ordering from a commercial website cross that line?

If we go with only the print option I am not sure I will buy.... I know I wouldn't like wearing it. I guess I would just try to go find a "hot lime green" shirt!

I am seriously considering the Minnie and would like at least ONE t-shirt by then, but considering the "shirt" confusion I have begun to assume I won't have one.

If nothing else I hope that the "original" option remains as its reasonably priced and was the initial and (I think based on seeing at ToT) a very good choice!

[wtpclc]

You may also want to check out opinions on tehse threads:

Eye2eye (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1710922)

RaceReady (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1701599)

[tink06]

Hi. My 2c, I'm actualy going to be emailing you Carrie, as I do want to own something of the "classic" wish apparel. I wasn't going to order the raceready - as I wasn't sure it would be a good fit for me. DH & I are both interested in what designs come up with the eye2eye people, and have been keeping up with the thread - as we might order from there - we really like the most recent with the castle and the parks on back. Our only suggestion with the castle on the front is that it should be a bit smaller to fit on the shirt, and with regards to the runners, maybe have them lower on the castle to look like they're running through - Ok, back to the main point...

I too would love to have something for the minnie, and was very content with it being the original shirt design. And willing to wait to see what the 2nd choice would be.

[smileyk8]

Carrie, i also have 'ordered' both the original and race ready shirts with the hope of having something for the minnie. The most important thing to me is that we are a team and should all be wearing the same if not very similar shirts. It's very confusing for a new member to know what to do!

The new eye to eye design is lovely, but i agree that i'm not certain i'd wear it outside of WDW. Even so, it maybe time for the team shirt to move forward, in which case it's a great idea to have everyone's input and not feel under pressure to create something in time for minnie.

[nepatsfan73]

I had starting writing a new thread to explain what we were doing on the possible new eye2eye design and where we were. Before I posted, however, I saw that this thread was started. Rather than give the background of where we are and what our plans were, if the "team" has no interest in pursuing this, then let us/me know so we don't waste our time trying to have a shirt designed that meets with "team" approval. I or we (if others are still interested) can then explore things on a more personal/smaller group level if we so desire. Some of my points as to the current state of "team" WISH-wear is as follows:

**The "team" decided to use a vendor for tech shirts that does not make shirts that will fit many team members. Thus, "We are Inspired to Stay Healthy" if you do not exceed certain maximum size requirements.

**The "team" has decided that the team colors should be lime green for tech shirts, safety green for "original" shirts, lime-ade for some hats/visors and yellow for other hats/visors -- thus, other than some type of bright green (excluding the yellow hats), what is the official "team" color.

**If the "team" has decided that all shirts must have the exact same written graphics, fonts, format and design as was decided by the team several years ago, before most people currently on the "team" were on the "team," so be it. Kate and others have spent time and made an effort to keep things true to the original intent with some minor modifications. We have tried to communicate with some of the veteran team members to understand the reasons for some of the things included (like the feather and the size of the print) to ensure important things are not altered in a way to take away their meaning. I have never seen a written history of how the original design came about, nor the importance/meaning of everything included (although I could guess as to some).

Let us know what the "team" wants. I can always wear one of my Patriots, Red Sox or another tech shirt at an event if it is hot.

[MomofCKJ]

I'm a newbie, only a month here. I placed an order for the Race Ready and the original. I just want WISH clothes so I can feel I belong!:love:

I'll probably order an Eye to Eye one too once you decide. I kind of like the castle.

Really, I'll order whatever is chosen, I just want to have something!

Allyson :)

[vscohen]

As someone who is fairly new to even looking at these, I can only go off of the pictures I've seen...but...
In looking at pictures from previous races, what stands out to me about the shirts is the fact that they're bright green and that they have the big black W.I.S.H on them (along with the REALLY GREAT slogan on the back). If the shades of the shirts are slightly different, I just assumed that it was because some people's shirts had faded or come from different dye lots.

So to me, both the classic and the park-decorated shirts maintain those crucial elements. If possible, I'd like to see them both still available for purchase, so that people have the option of not wearing a disney-specific shirt in non-disney races. Yes I know they'd be slightly different colors, but they're still really bright green!

[If I had to pick one, I'd probably pick the classic so that it's multi-functional...but I love the design on the new one as well!]

[Sandy321]

Carrie
I just replied to you on the eye 2 eye thread Bill started...

Keep in mind Kate was working to incorporate the needs of the original design so this option isnt the final option...

I guess I'll go and cut and paste my opinion as to why this should be considered an option...

[Steffwalks]

I am thinking that the design is too Disney specific. I don't think I would be comfortable wearing it to races other than Disney. I think that using the icons will cause problems with Disney. I am certain they are licensed. I don't care for the icons on the back, anyway. They jumble together and make the words look muddy to me.

I think a cooler shirt is called for. I would also like to see tech hoodie! But I love our current design and I think it says Disney without smacking you on the forehead V-8 style. And the "Mickey Bars" on the runners looks like bad hair days. -- I know this sounds really negative. And I am really sorry it does!

Has anyone considered using the feather as the background? That way we don't lose "We can fly" but we can make it a Kewl graphic!

[Sandy321]

Steff, there are no mickey bars, that was an idea that we joked around with..

I'm going to step away, I think this medium may not be understood -

I believe with my whole heart that NO ONE intends to hurt anyone's feelings... but its going to be tough.

[wtpclc]

I had starting writing a new thread to explain what we were doing on the possible new eye2eye design and where we were. Before I posted, however, I saw that this thread was started. Rather than give the background of where we are and what our plans were, if the "team" has no interest in pursuing this, then let us/me know so we don't waste our time trying to have a shirt designed that meets with "team" approval. I or we (if others are still interested) can then explore things on a more personal/smaller group level if we so desire. Some of my points as to the current state of "team" WISH-wear is as follows:

**The "team" decided to use a vendor for tech shirts that does not make shirts that will fit many team members. Thus, "We are Inspired to Stay Healthy" if you do not exceed certain maximum size requirements.

**The "team" has decided that the team colors should be lime green for tech shirts, safety green for "original" shirts, lime-ade for some hats/visors and yellow for other hats/visors -- thus, other than some type of bright green (excluding the yellow hats), what is the official "team" color.

**If the "team" has decided that all shirts must have the exact same written graphics, fonts, format and design as was decided by the team several years ago, before most people currently on the "team" were on the "team," so be it. Kate and others have spent time and made an effort to keep things true to the original intent with some minor modifications. We have tried to communicate with some of the veteran team members to understand the reasons for some of the things included (like the feather and the size of the print) to ensure important things are not altered in a way to take away their meaning. I have never seen a written history of how the original design came about, nor the importance/meaning of everything included (although I could guess as to some).

Let us know what the "team" wants. I can always wear one of my Patriots, Red Sox or another tech shirt at an event if it is hot.


Wow, no offense was meant to anyone and I liek the design. It just seems liek 3 kinds of shirts is getting a bit overboard and if there is a different design, all should have a say.

Sadly, eye2eye took a very long time to get back to Mel. In teh meantime, it seemed like everyone was happy with RaceReady adn alertshirt was still an option for larger sizes. Now that there is another option it seems like everyone shoud eb invited to comment.

[sk8ingmom]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the shirt in the OP - but I'm sure it violates copyright laws. Is the company really willing to make these??

It took about 15 minutes for Cafe Press to pull shirts with the logo in my sig that our EB Repo Cruise Meet thread was going to order. We did find another company that didn'tsomuch mind the copyright infringement.

[CarolA]

WOW! I am beginning to feel like this is more trouble then it's worth and the "team" aspect sounds like it's one way or the highway....

Here's my solution.

Each of you dealing with the T shirts start a new thread. Something like "Final order for Race Ready" "Final Order for Eye2Eye" etc. Let folks order. (If you want to be really fair. link to the each other's threads!) Set a deadline.....say next Wed. That gives everyone all of this weekend and the better part of next week. Most folks will be on here at least once. (Maybe the mods could make these three threads short term stickies!)

And go. Everyone will realize there are three options and they can just order what they want.

If someone fails to get a mininum then they can notify thier "signees" so they can pick another option.

Looks like mid Feb is the deadline on most of these for the Minnie right? So if you posted the three threads today that would give most folks the better part of a week.

No, they won't all match. So what? It's not like we are Team in Training trying to raise money for a cause!


There is no way on a message board like this to build a concensus unless you want to post a poll and winner take all (and then some folks will pout because thier shirt lost so that's just not worth the hassle)

I do think there is a big risk on the Eye2Eye shirts that there are copyright violations..

[wtpclc]

Many printers will not print dsigns that are possible copyright infringements. I was actually surprised that eye2eye printed teh mouse ears adn feet on teh shirt we saw at the marathon. DOn't knwo where the line is drawn.

[nepatsfan73]

But I love our current design and I think it says Disney without smacking you on the forehead V-8 style. And the "Mickey Bars" on the runners looks like bad hair days. -- I know this sounds really negative. And I am really sorry it does!



Just out of curiosity, what about our current shirt says Disney? The quill pen on the back used in the filming of Swamp Fox episodes. OK, I admit that was extreme, but there is absolutely nothing in or on the current shirt that hints at Disney. Also, part of the reason some were originally drawn to this company was the Disney graphics on the Canadian running team's shirt.

I promise not to post any more on this thread because I really do not intend or mean to make this be anything other than a discussion and I already expressed my views above.

[smileyk8]

Just out of curiosity, what about our current shirt says Disney? The quill pen on the back used in the filming of Swamp Fox episodes. OK, I admit that was extreme, but there is absolutely nothing in or on the current shirt that hints at Disney. Also, part of the reason some were originally drawn to this company was the Disney graphics on the Canadian running team's shirt.

I promise not to post any more on this thread because I really do not intend or mean to make this be anything other than a discussion and I already expressed my views above.

that's not a reason not to post here, everyone's views are really important in this decision. There are a lot of things about picking a shirt that i hadn't considered until others pointed them out so it's crucial to say what you feel without any need for being 'mean' or whatever. You're absolutely right we need a shirt that suits all so all need to be involved somehow. :teacher:

[Steffwalks]

Sandy, I thought the "Mickey Bars" were ears and they are on the runners, in the picture I was looking at. I am terribly sorry if I mistook it for something else! I wasn't following the orginal thread very closely.

I dont' think anyone demanded one way or the hiway. Everyone has opinions I would probably get the eye2eye one if it didn't have the icons on it. I don't want to use copywritten material, and I can't begin to imagine what the licensing fees are!

[Sandy321]

1. copyright infringement - Kate discussed this - she has been involved with the Disboards DISigns thread from the beginning - she stated that Disney is fine if you use a photograph of the icons that is yours, NOT one copied from a disney webslte, or copied from a photographer - she respects Disney and would NOT use copyright infringement...

2. Bill started a thread - enough interest was met - we each contacted and received replies from eye2eye - a final shirt design has NOT been done!

3. from my experience its NO longer about "the shirt"

our family learned a lesson, a hard lesson when my dh thought he was helping solve a dispute over a "glove"... my son was so hurt - I yelled at dh "ITS NOT ABOUT THE GLOVE" he said.. um. what is it about? so when we get off on anger, or hurt feelings someone always says "ITS NOT ABOUT THE GLOVE" in our family it lightens the mood... so I add that here...

4. So if its not about "the shirt" what is it about? Belonging. and fair doesnt mean equal. Its not fair I cant fit into the RR shirts, or its not fair RR doesnt provide my size... does anyone remember a discussion about a shoe company that stated I was not a runner? that's how I feel about these shirts... I am not a runner, that's why they dont make them in my size. THIS WISH TEAM says different, they say I am a runner, they made me believe in ME.. and I truly appreciate that.

5. I think if I had a REAL shirt, and modeled it, took pictures and posted (like was done with the RR ready shirts) then we could vote.

instead, its going south real fast...

[julia & nicks mom]

I have no investment in the shirts beyond talking with those who want the shirts and incorporating those ideas into a shirt...

right now we are playing with designs...waiting to get the template so we can see if we have to put the icons together or seperately - or if they need to be darker or lighter...

there is an email into Disney legal about the icons but my DH is an attorney and generally speaking they can't copyright personal photos that are used in a design...

There seems to be a lot of people who want an option larger than what is currently being offered and they want the Disney design included...Bill has also asked for a more generic design without the Disney in it for other races and people who don't want too much Disney...

Right now many people are excluded from wearing the WISH shirts and this is an opportunity to give the option for more people to order - and the intent is to get the opinions of those who wish to order those shirts on the designs so that everyone is happy...

I agree with Carol that the best idea might just to have all the options out there...the nice thing about eye2eye is that once the design is on file - anyone can order it anytime - there are no minimums - so people can order them whenever they want and don't have to worry about missing order deadlines...

I saw several other organizations with the lime green on at the marathon - so it seems to me seeing the WISH is and always will be your "brand" - does it really matter how many different shirts it is on?

[nepatsfan73]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the shirt in the OP - but I'm sure it violates copyright laws.

I know I said I wouldn't, but one last question. What copyright law does using a personal picture of a publicly accessible structure on a shirt violate? The shirts are not being sold for profit, and, to my knowledge, Disney owns no copyright to any picture that I may take at WDW when I am on vacation. Please know, however, that we do not intend to do anything with eye2eye that would possibly ire Disney as that is one of the main meeting grounds for the team. Also, keep in mind that CafePress is a business selling products on-line for profit. My understanding was that we would be ordering shirts and selling them at cost plus shipping.

[Maherae]

What a talented group WISHers are! So many choices! I understand how confusing this is for the team!!

I think the reason we started looking at other shirts was because of the weight of the original shirts. Even though they are wicking material, it is a heavy material to be walking/running in. I think the design and the color combine to make an identifying statement for our team. I WISH RaceReady could get the same safety yellow. I hate to see us lose our "glow in the dark" shirts ;), but understand the need for a lighter shirt.

The new designs are a wonderful creation; however, I think we're trying to cram too much stuff onto one shirt. If our point in wearing team shirts is to get the message out that 1) we're staying healthy through exercise, and 2) putting forth the effort to walk/run an event is just as valid as finishing; we want to keep it simple.

[Valentine]

Okay.. I have NO idea what is going on.. but... I certainly don't want anyone's feelings hurt... This is a group that is about caring for each other, inspiring one another, and encouraging one another. So.. PLEASE.. let us not lose sight of that.

We are a TEAM... as a TEAM.. we should represent with the same uniform..... Personally, I think that as long as the WISH logo is on the front.. and the DLF DNF DNS saying is on the back..and the color is the same or really close... then rest is individual choice...

Thank you to all of you who take time from your personal lives to design, research and present these choices. I know this is quite a bit of work and I hope noone takes that for granted.

So... as a TEAM member.. my vote goes to whichever way works best for everyone. That probably doesn't help.. but..I wanted you all to know that you are appreciated and I thank you..

Kathy :grouphug:

[scoolover]

I love the shirts at the top of this thread. I am personally happy with the safety color. They can be seen for miles. Perhaps hundreds of miles. Also the new design with the disney icons is awesome. I don't really like the regular lime color.

[Steffwalks]

Quote:
Originally Posted by nepatsfan73
Just out of curiosity, what about our current shirt says Disney? The quill pen on the back used in the filming of Swamp Fox episodes. OK, I admit that was extreme, but there is absolutely nothing in or on the current shirt that hints at Disney. Also, part of the reason some were originally drawn to this company was the Disney graphics on the Canadian running team's shirt.

The first time I EVER saw a Wish shirt, I immediately associated it with Disney. I suppose the word wish with the stars was part of it. Afterall, "when you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are...."

I would love to have the shirt without the icons. They don't suit me. I did not say that I don't want them, so you can't have them. I said, they don't suit me. I won't be wearing one, but that doesn't mean I won't let you.

[CarolA]

I know I said I wouldn't, but one last question. What copyright law does using a personal picture of a publicly accessible structure on a shirt violate? The shirts are not being sold for profit, and, to my knowledge, Disney owns no copyright to any picture that I may take at WDW when I am on vacation. Please know, however, that we do not intend to do anything with eye2eye that would possibly ire Disney as that is one of the main meeting grounds for the team. Also, keep in mind that CafePress is a business selling products on-line for profit. My understanding was that we would be ordering shirts and selling them at cost plus shipping.


I have a friend who is a copyright lawyer and has helped us with some Girl Scout stuff. Using a personal picture for PERSONAL use is not a problem. Selling it is based on things we have learned dealing with Girl Scout fund raising. Now that may not apply here. So Disney doesn't care if I make a Tshirt for my families vacation "saying the BUBBA FAMILY DOES DISNEY" with the castle/ears etc.

Now, when I put up a website selling my "BUBBA FAMILY DOES DISNEY (insert your name here) and sell them to you for your family vacation, then it crosses the line. I "THINK" it has to do with the fact that acutally Disney, Girl Scouts of the USA and other organizations copyright the IMAGE not just individual pictures. (I may have that wrong, but somehow they can protect the image of the castle for example so you can't show Cindy and Prince Charming getting it on in front of it LOL!)


(In other words my Girl Scouts can make cool t-shirts with the Birthplace on them to wear on thier trip, but selling them as the fund raiser gets us in trouble!)

I don't see the difference you do between Cafe Press and this shirt. I mean Eye2Eye isn't giving these shirts to us, they are also selling them for profit.

Now I am not a lawyer so this is just my take based on our issues with fundraising.

I also agree with the other poster "it's not about the shirt" at this point. It's become a lot more and it's going to get ugly fast! I have posted enough on here.

I will be running my races and I hoped to meet up with everyone but I kind of doubt the shirt issue is going to be resolved quickly and neatly which will make it harder for newbies like me to get involved.
Personally I think the solution is that all shirts are plain "lime" with the logo/sayings and then they will all "match" for the most part and people can go with cuts/styles fits they like best. (Personally the only shirts that I really like are made by Brooks, but.... LOL!)

[wfloyd]

Seeing as how I guess I am one of the almost original team members (Joined right after the 2005 marathon when I stumbled across it) I will chime in here with some of the history of us and shirts.

The first design was simple and done to get some type of shirt for the 2006 marathon. I have one somewhere but after January 2006 we thought it might be nice to do a different style shirt.

From what I recall, this last time we did a new design it seemed to take forever (probably only a couple of months actually) and everyone seemed to have what they though would be best for shirts. There were many discussions and lots of debating. Some people had their ideas squashed while others fought hard for theirs. This was in 2006 if I remember right, Carrie would probably know better since she did the orders though.

The reason we went with the original safety group maker was they were the only people who would print shirts on a "wicking" material. We looked at several different makers and no one would print on an acutal tech shirt. So we went with them.

These shirts did what was intended and enabled us to spot each other easily and help give others encouragement. However they are a pain to run in because it is so humid here. Tech shirts don't do well when it is 100% humidity outside, there is no where for the moisture to go. These shirts seemed to hold it in more and made you feel hotter compared to other tech shirts I have. While there have been several comments from us about the bright color, we all seem to enjoy it since it is easily spottable.

Now that there are a couple of other places to get printed tech shirts, we are looking into getting lighter weight shirts. Which brings us to the discussion at hand.

As for the official color, we have said lime green. The current shirts were as close as we could get to lime green so it was used. The same with the visors, bands, and everything else. Each company seems to have their idea of what lime is so there will be some inherent differences between colors.

The last design change happened when the group was probably half the size it is now. Now we are much larger (number wise) and that means there are more opinions.

My opinion is that we should keep the design as close to the same as possible. This takes away from people feeling the need that they need another shirt because that may be the new "official" logo. If it is the same design, then it doesn't really matter where the shirt is purchased from (except for the differences in color).

From what I remember recently, we looked at eye2eye but they took so long to respond, we went with the company who answered quickly. This was needed so we can get the shirts by May/Minnie (which takes alot of effort from Carrie and Mel, thanks guys). The thought was that if it took this long for a simple answer, how long would it take to get the shirts ordered and to people.

I realize that RaceReady doesn't do large sizes and I see where that can exclude people from buying the shirts. Just because you are part of the team doesn't mean you have to buy a shirt to be included either. Some people can't afford everything and that is fine. This can be another reason to keep the designs close to the same so that everyone can have the same design on the shirt and not feel different from the rest.

I think it is fine to get an order from eye2eye since they do seem to be able to accomidate more people. However I would be leary of changing too much of the design/wording just to keep things a little more consistent between everything. The main thing is not to fight about it though. We don't want to alienate/separate anyone from the group because they felt we didn't listen to them. We made it through the last round and I am sure we will make it through again but respecting other teammates is critical.

Sorry for the misspellings but I am an engineer and we just deal with numbers so this english/spelling thing is hard to understand. :lmao:

Bill

[MiniGirl]

Okay.... I'll chime in as well.

I love the message of the original WISH shirt. I also like the abbreviations. It makes sense since this is a message board and we "talk" that way. KWIM? :rotfl:

And those things, esp. the message, are powerful things. However, I was not pleased with the shirts I bought. I have worn the tech shirt 3 times (3 races), and after the first washing, the hem started to unravel. I also have a cotton shirt that I have worn twice -- after the Minnie 5K last year and to scream in for the full this year. It is still in good shape, but the logo was put on crooked on both the front and back. Also, I'm sorry to say..... I don't like the color. I accept that lime green is "the" color of the DIS and so I do wear it if I expect to see other DISers. Also, I do like that it stands out at a place like Disney where we expect to see our WISH teammates. However, I would love to have a WISH shirt in another color that I could train in or wear around town. That way I could wear a shirt with a great inspirational message all the time -- not just during Disney events.

Also, I am a Disney Freak. (I even went and got a job there, so I could be part of the magic.) So, I like the eye2eye design, and I would wear it to places other than Disney races. (Of course, I wear my Disney Crocs almost everyday, too.) During a race, the runners on the shirt with the Mickey ears would probably be hidden by the bid making them even more "hidden." Also, when I describe our team, I describe us as a group of Disney fans that started working together to acheive and maintain a healthy lifestyle -- not a bunch of runners who then got hooked on Disney. (I hope that makes sense.)

And lastly, like others have mentioned, the raceready shirts are simply not an option for me because they don't come in my size. Even as I start to trim down, I don't know if they'll ever be an option. I always have to go up several sizes to accommodate "the girls." (I tend to lose and gain all over, so proportionally I pretty much stay the same. Okay, TMI.)

Now having said all that...... I really don't understand what the big deal is. As someone pointed out earlier, the color and the black WISH is what sets us apart at the race. If you don't like the printed shirt, then stick with the classic. If you do like the more Disneyfied shirt, then get the eye2eye. I don't think we all have to be matchy matchy.

However, I would still love to have a pink or white WISH shirt to wear around here.

[wtpclc]

Eva - Yours is teh first poor quality I have heard of from AlertSHirt. We tend to go cross-eyed packing them, so we likely iddn't notice. I wish I had known there was a problem, though, as I could have gotten you a refund.

[mkymsehi]

Aloha WISHERS:

I've ordered both the original and the Race Ready shirts. I'll even consider the eye2eye shirt once it's finalized. As long as the WISH name is on it, that's good enough for me.

I already train and race in a Nike flourecent yellow shirt, so everyone can see me in the early morning and evening hours when it's dark. So I'm excited to be getting my official WISH shirts soon.

For this past Goofy weekend (2008), I made iron on t-shirts for my friend and I. I used the 15th Mickey Marathon logo on the front, and Chip and Dale laughing on the back with the saying "The squirrels are after me, they think I'm nuts." Then below that it said "13.1 Donald Duck Half + 26.2 Mickey Mouse Marathon = 39.3 Goofy." Somewhat similar to the grey Goofy longsleve t-shirt they sold at the expo.

We wore my homemade shirt throughout the parks, expo, resort, etc. We got lots of laughs and compliments. One person even asked if we bought it at the expo.

Not once did a cast member from Disney ever said anything like "that's a copyright infringement." Just my 2 cents. LOL.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg92/mkymsehi/100_6703.jpg

Thanks to everyone (Carrie, Mel, and everyone else) involved in designing, ordering, and shipping the different styles of shirts, and visor/hats (soon). I know takes a lot of time and effort to coordinate, collect the money, ship, so MAHALO! the WISHERS appreciate all that you are doing to make us look good.

[Stitch_lover_Sith]

As a older Wish, 2005, I would like to say each of the choices have their ups and downs. Now the "Original Shirt" is great when it is cold and cooler but is way to hot if the temp is above 50, even the short sleeved. The race ready shirts are going to be a different color than the "Original" but I think that the message will stand out. I know the sizes do not accommodate everybody but guess what neither do the alert shirts. I have a small that comes down to my thighs. The race ready would not only give me the correct sizing but a cooler shirt to train and race in. Then there is the Eye2eye shirts that I really would only wear for Disney races. They can be ordered in quantities as little as one. The other shirts are not that fortunate. To be honest I like all three for very different reasons and really people should be allowed to chose for themselves. This gives every person an option that fits their lifestyle and size requirements the best.
Erin

[Pungodingy]

"4. So if its not about "the shirt" what is it about? Belonging. and fair doesnt mean equal. Its not fair I cant fit into the RR shirts, or its not fair RR doesnt provide my size... does anyone remember a discussion about a shoe company that stated I was not a runner? that's how I feel about these shirts... I am not a runner, that's why they dont make them in my size. THIS WISH TEAM says different, they say I am a runner, they made me believe in ME.. and I truly appreciate that."


I totally agree.

[TXBelle]

Eva- Here is Sunny's site at cafepress: http://www.cafepress.com/livinglively/3912486. You can get the WISH team logo on a lot of different items, including hoodies and white t-shirts.

I certainly do not want to offend everyone here. I love you all! :lovestruc I appreciate the time that everyone has put into the shirts. I think I started all the trouble with eye2eye. :rolleyes:

My vote is that we allow each team member to choose what shirt they would like to buy. The purpose of the shirt is for each of us to be able to recognize each other and provide support to each other along the course. Whether you are in a Race Ready, an eye2eye, or an original WISH shirt, we will cheer you on and support you just the same.

BTW, can I volunteer some of the men to model the eye2eye shirts when they come in? We really need a Mr. March. :rolleyes1

[MiniGirl]

Eva - Yours is teh first poor quality I have heard of from AlertSHirt. We tend to go cross-eyed packing them, so we likely iddn't notice. I wish I had known there was a problem, though, as I could have gotten you a refund.

No worries, Carrie. Seriously. For as little as I wear them, it is fine. Also, I was just so happy to have one in time for last year's Minnie weekend, and I didn't think there would be time to get another one. Like I said, to me it is all about the message and that is very visible on the shirt.

Heather, thanks for the link. I'll go check it out.

[Sandy321]

Sunny's site at cafepress: http://www.cafepress.com/livinglively/3912486

I've never seen this site!! Thanks for posting!! (Eva they have one in pink - XL and 2xl to accomodate 'the girls" - I also have the same wants, needs, concerns, girl troubles!! lol)

I would also like to order an eye2eye shirt and have a model :rolleyes1 then post - I think that would make a big difference instead of speculating on the design and comparing and contrasting... and it would also be helpful to know if they can complete a shirt in a reasonable amount of time - what was posted about not getting a response for them is a valid concern!

the choices that have been made have been made with much thought, consideration, and appreciation for them to be available for the Minnie...

[lenshanem]

I say do all three and then let people decide what they want to order. That way nobody's feelings get hurt. :grouphug:

[skfulkers]

Wow, this thread has moved fast today! I might as well throw in my two cents as well. Having been around since early 2005, I have seen the history of our shirt for a little while. I still have and wear my 2006 WISH shirt that has no logo on the back.

I agree that I hope this isn’t a topic that ends up hurting feelings or causing too much debate. I really hope we don’t lose sight of the foundations of this team, and the respect and encouragement that has caused us to grow so large. If I had to choose between having 87 different shirt types and causing disunity and turmoil within this great team, I’d say bring on the 87 different shirts!

Having said that, my own opinion is that it would be great to have one team shirt. I know this may not be possible for all the reasons listed throughout the thread, but how many other “teams” on the race course have 4 or 5 different color/design/types of race shirts? I know there are variations, but the central logo and general theme basically remain the same for most teams. I have been told by many, many other non-WISHers that our teams really has a great presence at Disney for the races, and I think if we had 3 or 4 different designs and colors, this may not be the case.

I’m actually going to order another WISH shirt this year, but I was really hoping it would be the “official” team shirt, whatever that ends up being. I’m not picky, and even if I don’t like the shirt we choose, I’ll get one anyway because it represents everything that is great about our team (I mean hey, who REALLY looks good in lime green anyway??). :)

Steve

[lenshanem]

I'm confused. I thought the Race Ready would also be lime???

I was excited about the Race Ready cause the other WISH shirt I got came down to my knees. Course, I'm only 4"11". :lmao:

[wtpclc]

I'm confused. I thought the Race Ready would also be lime???Yes, but their lime and the lime we have used are not teh same. Have not found any other wickign or tech material that is teh ANSI (Sefty stanadard) Lime. eye2eye is likely our best shot with that.

[cdn_gal_eeyore]

Well, I thought I would throw my two cents in on this subject. It seems to be a pretty divisive subject...

I have to say that I *LOVE* how bright the AlertShirts are because they certainly stand out. OK, confession....I haven't actually worn my shirt yet though so I can't comment on how heavy they can be in humid weather. I meant to wear it at the full this year but I realized I hadn't trained in it so I wasn't sure it was a good time to wear it for the first time.

I'm not particularly fond of how long the shirt is, so I like that the RR option comes in a womens style that will be a bit more flattering. I also like having a top that will be quite like most of my other running tops in my closet. While the colour won't be as bright I do like that the logo is essentially the same and really gets the message across. I'm sorry the sizes aren't more accomodating and that it makes people feel left out.

I think the most division is over how *different* the eye2eye shirts are. You either like the idea of graphics all over the shirt or you don't. Personally it isn't my style so for as many go arounds as we have on the design I would never order one for myself, but I certainly appreciate all of the creative effort that people are putting into it. I also appreciate that we wouldn't have to do a bulk order through eye2eye, folks could order on their own will throughout the year taking a lot of stress off of Carrie and Mel.

That being said, what if eye2eye made our original shirt design in a solid colour to keep all of the shirts looking as similar as possible? That way folks who want different styles or sizes would be accomodated and we could still look like a team out on the course.

Just a thought.

[cdn_gal_eeyore]

Yes, but their lime and the lime we have used are not teh same. Have not found any other wickign or tech material that is teh ANSI (Sefty stanadard) Lime. eye2eye is likely our best shot with that.

Actually, the Brooks Nightlife is pretty close, but I don't know how we'd go about getting our logo printed on their shirt.
http://img.runningwarehouse.com/ProductImages/BWNES.JPG

[wtpclc]

Very true. That line is also very pricey, though, adn if we had to order adn tehn get to a printer, that's a lot of effort.

I like teh idea of haviing an eye2eye option like the original shirt. I don't know why they can't just print the solid lime anwith black lettering, but I haev not been the one dealing with them. The sizes are much more accomodating. Don't know if that would appeal to the people who want teh mroe complex design, though.

If we coudl get the original logo adn color as an eye3eye option, is there somethign that Race Ready offers that eye2eye does not? (I so don't want to make your worlkd harder Mel, but right now that seems liek a great option. Very long day, though, and I may be missing something huge.)

[chimera]

For historical reference, this was the first WISH shirt. The group from 2005 can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they had team shirts.

http://photopost.wdwinfo.com/data/747/77486PICT0339a-med.JPG

http://photopost.wdwinfo.com/data/747/77486PICT0340a-med.JPG


Bill did a great job of summing up the history. I can add the reasons we made the changes we did from 2006 to 2007.

1. We took out the year off the front so the shirts would be timeless.
2. We took WDW marathon weekend and the date off the back so the shirts could be worn at other events since the team was expanding and doing other races.
3. We added the stars to the WISH logo and added the actual meaning to try to make the point that WISH stood for We're Inspired to Stay Healthy and not the Make a Wish Foundation (a most worthy organization for which we're still often mistaken...if we can fix that in the next design it would be great)
4. Lynne found the back slogan at one of her triathlon events (only I think it was DFL>DNF>>DNS and the first F stood for something less Disney-like :rolleyes1 ). We made it our own and I would venture to say that's what we're now most associated with when we appear en masse at any event. As I mentioned in the other thread, it took a lot of tweaking to get it where it is today and was completely a team effort.

[Sandy321]

I was considering mailing a piece of my original WISH shirt to eye2eye to have them match the color...

and as been stated asking for the original shirt design on the matching color - but on a shirt that is race material...

because Im not a runner, I didnt have a problem with the original WISH shirt during the half - but I trained with it during the heat of the Chicago summer, as in what else did I know!! (and I'm also 5'11" so the length of the shirt works for me, but I would like a woman's style)

[smileyk8]

the idea of having two versions by eyetoeye seems like a really good one. That way everyone could have a wish shirt, in the same colour and with a lot of the same key features- but some could chose extra graphics.

If a lot of people are on the list to buy the original and race ready is there any reason why they would chose these over eye to eye ones? Something diff material wise or anything? I'm new to the whole sports gear stuff so please bear with me :headache:

[getnthinr]

I agree that I hope this isn’t a topic that ends up hurting feelings or causing too much debate. I really hope we don’t lose sight of the foundations of this team, and the respect and encouragement that has caused us to grow so large. If I had to choose between having 87 different shirt types and causing disunity and turmoil within this great team, I’d say bring on the 87 different shirts!

Having said that, my own opinion is that it would be great to have one team shirt. I know this may not be possible for all the reasons listed throughout the thread, but how many other “teams” on the race course have 4 or 5 different color/design/types of race shirts? I know there are variations, but the central logo and general theme basically remain the same for most teams. I have been told by many, many other non-WISHers that our teams really has a great presence at Disney for the races, and I think if we had 3 or 4 different designs and colors, this may not be the case.

I’m actually going to order another WISH shirt this year, but I was really hoping it would be the “official” team shirt, whatever that ends up being. I’m not picky, and even if I don’t like the shirt we choose, I’ll get one anyway because it represents everything that is great about our team (I mean hey, who REALLY looks good in lime green anyway??). :)

Steve

What he said. ;)

I ordered the men's trail version of the RR shirt because I can't wear women's sizes (I'd love to say "yet" but at 51, I'm losing faith that I will ever be in a normal women's size). Frankly, I love the glo-in-the-dark original shirts (but they can be hot) and have so many that I'm not ordering any more right now. I will probably order the eye2eye shirt as well. So, it's not the design of the shirt so much -- it's just enjoying being part of the team. And I have gotten soooooo many compliments/comments on my WISHwear (Everyone loves that slogan -- it encourages them and they encourage me!) that I'd buy anything you threw at me. Having said that if eye2eye could make a shirt with the original WISH design in a lightweight fabric that anyone could order anytime they wanted, I'd think that would be ideal -- a lightweight shirt in lime green that gives us all a team look. I just loved being able to see the screamteamers in a crowd and know it was "us WISHers" in an instant. But again, I'll buy/wear anything -- and be very proud to be part of this WONDERFUL group. :thumbsup2

Thanks for all the hard work from everyone!!!!!!!!

[hoosmi]

Sounds silly, but I really wish we could see the completed shirts together in real life. It may be with the WISH graphics and bright colors, they look similar enough that we look like a team and can find each other. Seriously, I cannot express how happy I was to see WISHers during the full. Also, I always hear someone reading my shirt out loud during my races and saying things like "that's right!" If I can spot WISHers in all the shirt choices and I can read the message, I'm good. And certainly, I want everyone to be able to have the option of finding a WISH shirt that they like. I'll get whatever the majority wants...

Just to throw it out there- I actually kind of like my original tanks. I didn't think they were too hot. Once you get past the color, my most flattering race pictures are in WISH shirts- crazy, I know.:rolleyes1

Oh, and what Steve and Wendy said!

Jen in GA

[chimera]

Carrie, thanks for starting this thread. I think a team 'meeting' re: the shirts was a fab idea!

The tech shirt idea originally came up last year, after the 2007 marathon weekend was so hot. It didn't go anywhere at that time, but after another warm weekend this year, I wanted to explore the option further. We now have folks down here in May, Oct and Jan for various races and it's hot. Oh...and humid...really really humid. My apologies to the team for dragging us into such an emotional issue.

And my extreme apologies to those of you who have felt alienated by the RR shirt options. The purpose of the WISH team is to accept everyone, regardless of size, ability or pace and I feel badly that I didn't recognize this when RR was unable to provide sizes larger than XXL.

I have orders for 81 RR shirts and I haven't collected anything posted since Bill Floyd's so I would venture to say we're in the 85 to 90 range. I really think we need a lighter weight option. Finding that has not been easy. I went through tons of suppliers online (including that Brooks line) but it's really hard to find anyone that makes a lime shirt (and no one else that does ANSI lime). I think we can get by with a lighter shade of lime but need to preserve the WISH team slogan as much as possible. I don't think RR offers anything that eye2eye doesn't. Part of the time issue was that RR was willing to cut a particular style of shirt in lime just for us...and that was to be done in the next couple weeks so we needed to get orders in time for that. I would be pleased if eye2eye can help us, though it took them 8 days to turn around the original proposal (their website promises 24 hours) and only after I nagged with an additional email. I think it would be great if we could have orders year round so that new folks can get a shirt as they join instead of waiting for us to place orders. My only other concern with eye2eye is since this is a printed design rather than actual thread color, what's the longevity of the design though if we continue with a simple two color design, this may not be an issue.

I think it would be really cool if eye2eye can do a version of our original shirt (maybe with some design tweaks, particularly since they do a sleeve design) that would be appropriate for the entire team and if there's a subset of the team that wants something more Disney or more bold, it's available.

[ms.mightyduck]

Mel-

I agree that having shirts that accept everyone, regardless of size, is important. As I have mentioned, I'm short and fairly thin, but due to issues I won't explain here I don't wear crew neck t-shirts, especially not ones that are close-fitting. The fact that RR was willing to cut those women's v-necks means a lot to me.

I do have concerns that eye2eye took so long to get back to us, and I have reservations about how the shirts will wash. I also think that, while the design chosen for the eye2eye shirt is amazing, it is not something I would be comfortable wearing, especially if I'm in races outside of WDW. And it would certainly make me sad if Disney made them pull the shirt and I didn't have one for the race in May.

If the eye2eye shirts are essentially lime green and the same logo in black, then I think it's fine. Let's keep in mind that "third jerseys" exist to sell more merchandise and appeal to more people in pro sports, and I think I can get behind that here.

[deekaypee]

Wow, this thread has moved fast today! I might as well throw in my two cents as well. Having been around since early 2005, I have seen the history of our shirt for a little while. I still have and wear my 2006 WISH shirt that has no logo on the back.

I agree that I hope this isn’t a topic that ends up hurting feelings or causing too much debate. I really hope we don’t lose sight of the foundations of this team, and the respect and encouragement that has caused us to grow so large. If I had to choose between having 87 different shirt types and causing disunity and turmoil within this great team, I’d say bring on the 87 different shirts!

Having said that, my own opinion is that it would be great to have one team shirt. I know this may not be possible for all the reasons listed throughout the thread, but how many other “teams” on the race course have 4 or 5 different color/design/types of race shirts? I know there are variations, but the central logo and general theme basically remain the same for most teams. I have been told by many, many other non-WISHers that our teams really has a great presence at Disney for the races, and I think if we had 3 or 4 different designs and colors, this may not be the case.

I’m actually going to order another WISH shirt this year, but I was really hoping it would be the “official” team shirt, whatever that ends up being. I’m not picky, and even if I don’t like the shirt we choose, I’ll get one anyway because it represents everything that is great about our team (I mean hey, who REALLY looks good in lime green anyway??). :)

Steve

What Steve said, much more eloquently than I can.

I guess what's important to me is as follows:

1) Respect and inclusivity for all team members. I think we *already* respect one another, and this discussion shows it. To me, inclusivity means shirts in a variety of fabrics, sizes, and cuts. To that end, any options that allow as many people as would like to, to buy shirts that express their membership in WISH as well as options that don't require people to buy an entire new WISH wardrobe to fit in or keep up. (Vintage WISH goods, whoo hoo!) It made me sad to see Bill put team in "scare quotes." :hug:

2) Maintaining the message and its spirit. The W.I.S.H. logo and DLF>DNF>DNS has become more than the team motto for me, more than a training mantra. Oddly enough, over the past year it's become an important part of my identity--who I think I am/who I am becoming. I wear the shirt because I'm proud of that identity and because I think that message is important for non-WISHers to see. That message is what hooked me, was the one thing I heard again and again at the race, and unites us all.

3) Maintaining our presence at races. I'd like to see some consistency--probably with the logo & abbreviations--not only so that we can locate each other but for non-WISHer racers and spectators to see. It might also be nice to have some consistency in color (or limited colors); what color isn't a deal breaker for me. In fact, the brighter the color the more attention is drawn away from my bright-red, haggard-looking face! :rotfl: As for background designs, I'm easy (hmm, there's a potential pitfall in me using that phrase...just can't see it at the moment).

Anyway, I just wanted to reiterate that I hope this doesn't become a divisive discussion. I really appreciate all the work and care that have gone into making the WISH team what it is, both with regards to the shirts and beyond. It's that generosity of time, information, and spirit that I value about WISH and why I'm here. :love:

[Stitch_lover_Sith]

Mel- You should not feel bad for finding another option for people to go with. As someone who has had both the 2006 and 2007 AlertShirts I never trained in them and never wore them to races. That is why even though I was running with Jeff, who was wearing the shirt, I still got missed. I was wearing the Hat but that does not stand out as well.

To the Team and Carrie- Let everyone chose for themselves what shirt they want. Eyetoeye you can order as little as 1 at anytime. Alertshirt and Raceready we do not have that Luxury. Raceready is going to specially cut the shirts for us in sizes that some of our smaller teammates can wear. Alertshirt has the sizes that fit most of our team members. I hate to see this thread tearing the team apart. We have good options to chose from and to be honest that is all that really matters.

The Eyetoeye order makes me a little leary, the took two weeks to get back to the team. Raceready it was days not weeks. I am not saying that they are a bad company to go with but first impressions are the worst to get over.

Let people decide what shirt to buy for themselves.

[windwalker]

My personal opinion is the original "classic" WISH Team shirts are going to be on my back when I race. That shirt is magic, it's made with Pixey dust. If we can't get them from the current company in large enouth sizes we just need to find a company that sells the larger sizes.

I don't think the shirt is Disney specific at all, "it's my racing team" specific. I proudly wore it at every race I did last year from the Flying Pig half, to the National Senior Olympics to the Disney Goofy.

It's fine to have other apparel with the WISH stuff but when I toe the starting line the classic florecent safety day glow yellow green shirt will be proudly showing.

When I'm doing those half and full marathons and I spot another Classic WISH shirt, it gives me a lift, I know I'm part of something wonderfull and powerful. When I see a WISH shirt up ahead it gives me a goal to catch up with a team mate. I won't be looking for stripes and other colors I'll be watching for a WISH brother or sister to share the day with.

My humble opinion Panda:hippie:

[DianeL]

I like the solid color with the same front/back. I think having a similar color is very important. If it's not an exact match but lime to lemon, lemon to lime the important thing is as long as we can see each other and that the supporters can spot the racers easily from a distance is important.

I do agree with the need for a lighter weight option and it seems that is why we are looking at an alternative to our original style. Not to change up who we are as a team but to find something lighter to wear since the last 2 marathon weekends have been so hot.

I do like what i'm hearing about eye2eye and new people being able to order and not wait. That they are light and a good selection in sizes. It's sad they didn't get back to us right away causing Mel to look into someone else :hug: . But perhaps they have gotten a lot of feedback from those marathon weekend shirts. I'm not comfortable with using Disney logos and would be happier if we stayed with our original saying front and back.

The important thing I feel is that the color be uniform or as close as we can get it since we are looking at another company so that we find each other in the races and that those cheering/supporting can pick us out of thousand. Bright works. It looks horrid on me but everyone spotted me. My friend Cathy wore pink and Mom and Ray really had to keep their eyes open watching for her. Ray even missed her at Mile 8 but never had a problem locating me.

Oh and for what it's worth, I have this straight from Tarzan on our shirt.... he said and I quote "I could pick your shirt out of the jungle"

Bright. Simple. It works. Thanks to everyone for their hard work on this!!! :cheer2:

[Sandy321]

I just want to fit in.

I just want to be a Princess.

I just want to be accepted as me.

90 shirts for RR??!! I want to order one, NOW - even if its a man's shirt...

eye2eye got back to me the same day I emailed them with a question on shipping cost - I had no idea it took weeks for y'all to get an answer... what does this mean?

I hate that there are 2 colors for hats
2 colors for shirts.
3 colors, or 3 companies
hurt feelings
emotional postings...
tornadoes in the south,
primary elections..
below zero predictions..


CALGON - take me away -

[Mouse Skywalker]

Help, I'm lost... I didn't know we had 3 designs going.

I have a full slate of the the original shirts: 2 t-shirts, 2 tank tops, 2 long sleeve shirts, and a sleeveless. I even have a full complement of scream team shirts, and even enough extra that I was able to give on to my Dad when he came to watch me for the Marine Corps Marathon.

I was considering getting a RaceReady shirt just to have a new tank, but I really don't know what's going on with the shirt orders now.

I have to say I'm getting overwhelmed with the discussion.

[windwalker]

I just want to fit in.

I just want to be a Princess.

I just want to be accepted as me.

90 shirts for RR??!! I want to order one, NOW - even if its a man's shirt...

eye2eye got back to me the same day I emailed them with a question on shipping cost - I had no idea it took weeks for y'all to get an answer... what does this mean?

I hate that there are 2 colors for hats
2 colors for shirts.
3 colors, or 3 companies
hurt feelings
emotional postings...
tornadoes in the south,
primary elections..
below zero predictions..


CALGON - take me away -



You are a pretty WISH princess darlin, don't ever think for one second you are not.

I had another thought last night, I took thinking about this thread to bed with me last night. We are known at a lot of races by our positive attitudes and our bright day glow shirts. If we had bunches of different colors it just wouldn't be the same. Hey even John "the penguin" Bingham knows the WISH team.


WISH Panda:hippie:

[DianeL]

Sandy321!!!! :scared1: I too hate the lower than zero predictions! princess:

Like Dave I took the thread to bed last night too and frankly with DH there just isn't enough room! My bed isn't big enough! About the only good thing was that my dream included having lunch in the MK i think in Columbia house and I was wearing my BRIGHT shirt and up comes a yell and I look over a railing to find a group of BRIGHT Wish shirts walking by waving at us. LOL Jenn, Wendy and other ladies you should have come up and joined us for lunch! LMBO Your all welcome in my Disney dreams (dining even better! we'll get the sink next time lol)

Sandy321? Hand over the box of Calgon when your done, I just caught the weather for today and tomorrow. :headache:

[Big Vic]

I have a pretty fair collecton of "classic" WISH shirts (wicking). They are a little heavy, but given the amount of girth I carry around anyways, that isn't an issue with me. I like the color as it really stands out. I know our scream teamers, runners, and walkers were very easy to spot during the marathon.

I'm a little large for an RR shirt, but I think it's important that our teammates have the option to purchase a racing shirt cut to fit them.

I like the eye2eye deal, and the current design on the table appeals to me. If it's approved, I'll definitetly get one.

Having said that, here's my .02.

1. Shirt color should be kept as close to lime green as possible.
2. The WISH motto can not be compromised.
3. All designs (shirts, hats, etc.) should be voted on and approved by the team.
4. Having options are important.

JMHO

:)

[lenshanem]

I have a pretty fair collecton of "classic" WISH shirts (wicking). They are a little heavy, but given the amount of girth I carry around anyways, that isn't an issue with me. I like the color as it really stands out. I know our scream teamers, runners, and walkers were very easy to spot during the marathon.

I'm a little large for an RR shirt, but I think it's important that our teammates have the option to purchase a racing shirt cut to fit them.

I like the eye2eye deal, and the current design on the table appeals to me. If it's approved, I'll definitetly get one.

Having said that, here's my .02.

1. Shirt color should be kept as close to lime green as possible.
2. The WISH motto can not be compromised.
3. All designs (shirts, hats, etc.) should be voted on and approved by the team.
4. Having options are important.

JMHO

:)


I'm now thinking we need to keep the original design because that is what people have come to know the team by, right? We change the design and we might not be as recognizable as before. Slight differences in shades of color I don't think will be noticed. As far as the three different companies, why not keep them all? Can eye2eye do the original design? That way if someone wants a certain size or style they can order themselves thru eye2eye w/o having to wait for a group order. Plus, if someone new comes in they can order a shirt even if they missed an order. I personally was excited about Race Ready. My other WISH shirt is literally a dress on me. The Race Ready look like they are cut shorter. I couldn't wear my WISH shirt at RFTT and wore my yellow :lmao: WISH hat instead. I'm gonna go ahead and order the lime hat cause I think lime is the color WISH is known for. I think the eye2eye castle shirts are neat (DH thought so, too.), but maybe we're getting too far from the WISH logo that has been pretty much established. I think a poll is a good idea. I'm very sorry there are hurt feelings on this... :grouphug:

[CarolA]

I thought about this last night too... and despite saying I wasn't going to post again, one thing did really hit me.

One of the key points on this thread was the "team" point. IMHO the addition of the graphics to the Eye2Eye shirt means that everyone who has a current shirt either has to (a) buy a new one even if they don't want it or can't afford it or (b) feel like an "non team" member if this is the "official" shirt.

Since I really wanted a shirt for the Minnie I found a compromise last night. I went to a local store looking for a Valentines gift. They had a "limelight" New Balance short sleeve on sale. So I now own it. Maybe I will go to Cafepress and buy a button to stick on me someplace! :thumbsup2


I asked this on the other thread, but has anyone had any prior experience with Eye2Eye? Thier website did not make me feel real secure about giving them large quantities of cash.....

[Tiger Lily 03]

We will all make it through this. I know growth and change is stressful. We started way back training in 2004 for the 2005 event and used cotton shirts! :eek: Thank you to everyone who is posting for your comments and respect to our being a team. We are all getting it done here!

I love the way the evolution has and is bringing us to the technology available today and that we are all trying to go as a team here. Whatever the collective decision, my comment is to keep what we call the original shirt logo info both front and back. We have become a recognized entity with this.

The lime green color goes back to the DisBoards colors where folks throughout the boards use lime green for recognition when traveling to meets or in the parks to find other DisBoarders. My thought is to try keeping our colors as close to that idea as possible. We were not able to get any wicking material in lime green when the safety yellow shirts came about so that was chosen as the closest and next best thing. They are wicking shirts—warm, maybe don’t fit all, but at the time the best we could manage. Our Day-Glo look has certainly been copied by other teams as a great color idea.

Bottom line to me as long as all logos match, colors closest to lime green as possible and we try to reach all team members I am in. I best like the idea of one team shirt, but certainly understand and respect that all are not equal in the manufacture.

Side note: Original design comments: The spacing on the front of the shirt allowed for placement of the race number below that strip. May want to consider that when the design is finalized with eye2eye if anyone is customizing a design for other alternatives.

[chimera]

I asked this on the other thread, but has anyone had any prior experience with Eye2Eye? Thier website did not make me feel real secure about giving them large quantities of cash.....

I can only comment on the experience I've had with them so far. I emailed both RaceReady and eye2eye at the same time. eye2eye was very responsive initially. I sent them photos of my WISH shirt and asked to preserve the front and back text but the runners on the front were optional. It took them 8 days to respond with backgrounds and font options (their website promises 24 hours) and only after I sent an email asking what happened. After presenting the options here (which no one was terribly excited about), I sent an email back to our designer with the one background that was closest to our lime color (the lime spotted one) and asked if they could do a solid that was as bright and fluorescently lime green as they could make it. Instead he returned the same spotted background with the full design.

I know other folks have been corresponding with them but I don't know how that's been going.

RaceReady is a small company owned by runners. I've been dealing with the owner who has offered a couple of options to accomodate our color request, but they don't make any size larger than men's XXL. Some of their items are stock, but the other shirts they cut themselves and would be cutting the men's trail shirts and women's vnecks in lime just for us. I contacted the owner last week to let him know what kind of numbers we're looking at and he has said the price may be less due to decreased printing costs with the larger order. I am up to 91 shirts that folks want to order. Design will be the same (I have the graphics AlertShirt uses). I just need to know know if I should place the order or not.

When I found this group in 2004 (were we a team yet then?), I weighed 180lbs and wore a size 16, so I'm not sure if the RR shirts would have fit me then either. The Chicago marathon was a bit of a wakeup call...we train down here in those or hotter conditions 9 to 10 months out of the year. I sweat like a racehorse on steroids and just can't cool my body efficiently in the alertshirts. I love and have all versions of the current alertshirt WISH shirt and tend to believe as Dave does that they contain some kind of bright magic.

I can understand all sides of the issue, but my powers are finite and I'm not sure we can make everyone happy, no matter how hard we try. If many team members are taking this to bed with them (and I did too) then it's causing too much turmoil and none of us need that.

I propose we go with the orders we have for AS and RR. If there's a design team that wants to continue working with eye2eye on their own, that's great and if something fabulous comes out of it, the entire team may want to consider it for the future. Maybe we could also continue to look for another vendor that can accommodate everyone better for future orders.

[Kristi1357]

...I'm not sure we can make everyone happy no matter how hard we try...You hit the nail on the head, Mel! ::yes::

Personally, I don't care which vendor we use.
I'd vote for keeping as close to lime green as we can with any vendor, and keeping the same wonderful WISH design.
This way, not matter what size or style, we are still the same team.

And I know I am the minority, but the weight or whatnot of the current WISH shirt does not bother me. :confused3
I guess I am weird! :rotfl:

[Maherae]

I guess I am weird! :thumbsup2 :thumbsup2


:lmao:

[Steffwalks]

Some people need the eye2eye shirt for fit, cool. They should have the fit they need, so they can be part of the team. But for heaven's sake, why throw out the baby with the bath water?? Bright green, bright greenish/yellow, bright lime, are shades of the same thing. However, when the design changes, isn't that sort of the same thing as not having a team shirt??:confused3

[Sandy321]

You hit the nail on the head, Mel! ::yes::

Personally, I don't care which vendor we use.
I'd vote for keeping as close to lime green as we can with any vendor, and keeping the same wonderful WISH design.
This way, not matter what size or style, we are still the same team.

And I know I am the minority, but the weight or whatnot of the current WISH shirt does not bother me. :confused3
I guess I am weird! :rotfl:

Mel - thanks for voicing your concerns...

What I do not understand is everyone saying one thing - but doing another. For instance - the original WISH shirts are not lime green - but I do agree they stand out, and have "magic" withing them...

So why are the hat colors changing?

To fit with the color of the "new" shirts that dont fit all WISH team members?

and if I decide to try and compromise and work somthing out with eye2eye - or to just see if it would work at ALL - do I ask for Lime green, or do I match the dayglo safety color? :confused3

Some people need the eye2eye shirt for fit, cool. They should have the fit they need, so they can be part of the team. But for heaven's sake, why throw out the baby with the bath water?? Bright green, bright greenish/yellow, bright lime, are shades of the same thing. However, when the design changes, isn't that sort of the same thing as not having a team shirt??:confused3

Design changes - I disagree that is what is happening - and if the eye2eye has an option to include a wraparound design of the parks - couldnt that be a "scream team" option?

I was impressed with Sunny's website and choices - but I still dont think I comprehend the scope of things...

other than everyone wants to just get along - :goodvibes and encourage each other :goodvibes support each other :goodvibes

no one gets left behind... :lovestruc

[Kristi1357]

What I do not understand is everyone saying one thing - but doing another. For instance - the original WISH shirts are not lime green - but I do agree they stand out, and have "magic" withing them...

So why are the hat colors changing?

and if I decide to try and compromise and work somthing out with eye2eye - or to just see if it would work at ALL - do I ask for Lime green, or do I match the dayglo safety color? :confused3 Ok, not quite sure why you quoted me above, but...

At each time a shirt was ordered, it was ordered with the closest color to a WISH lime green that the company had available. Yes, the last round of shirts seemed more yellow-y than green to me. But when next to my yellow hat, they certainly are not yellow either.

If I am not mistaken, I believe the hat company did not offer lime green, so we choose the next best thing - and that happened to be a bright yellow.

I only meant that I thought we should stay with our lime green color. It is the DISboards color and is fabulous for spotting at events. It seems more vendors have that color available now.

I also love our design now. Alot of people worked really hard to come to that design a year or so ago. The message on the back gets so many comments at races - it's wonderful! I am not adverse to change, but I don't care for the design with the castle. I am a big fan of K.I.S.S. ;)

Again, not everyone is going to be happy with whatever the outcome is. Such is life!

I just want Carrie, Lynne and Mel to know just how much I appreciate them! :goodvibes
Ordering items for a group this size is a huge undertaking and tons of work!
THANK YOU!

[Steffwalks]

Obviously, I am missing something. Is the shirt design pictured in the first page of this thread the design that is wanted on eye2eye? If it is, it is a fundamental design change. If it's not, why is that the picture?:confused3

[Sandy321]

Obviously, I am missing something. Is the shirt design pictured in the first page of this thread the design that is wanted on eye2eye? If it is, it is a fundamental design change. If it's not, why is that the picture?:confused3

THAT is NOT the design - that was fooling around to see what could be done - and until Kate could understand/find etc the correct design, she used that to put something in place -

I understand why it was put here - but it was done prematurely for discussion purpose - not for any hurtful reason - sorry if its causing so much confusion.

I'm trying to understand also -

again, I think the people that are of larger size than RR could accomadate were trying to see IF eye2eye could do something - a group of WISH scream teamers saw eye2eye and thought of the possibilities could exist in going with this company -

1. they do a wrap around design (has possibilities for a SCREAM TEAMWISH shirt)
2 people could order just one shirt - any time - eye2eye will keep the ORIGINAL design on file and In tact - I honestly dont believe anyone wants to change that for all the reasons everyone has stated.
3. no need for one person to be in charge of collecting large sums of money to send to the company at one time, then to disperse all the shirts to those that ordered - 1 on 1 with eye2eye.

4. Size, style, color, ORIGINAL design accomadated. (from child size to adult XXXXL - women/men)

I in no way want to offend, or appear thankless, or hateful. I have received so much from this TEAM!! I appreciate all the work, and I stand in awe of those that 'give of themselves" to make me, and others feel welcome, and a part of something important... giving me the courage for so much that cannot be expressed in words - it takes my breath away, and brings a tear to my eye as I try to express it in this medium... and praying I'm not messing it up... this medium leads itself to mis interpretations...

[Sandy321]

Kristi I agree with you, I agree with Mel I agree, I agree, I agree...

:hippie:

[Steffwalks]

So, get a shirt from the people who can fit you. Get dayglow lime green. Get the original design, we're all happy.:cool1:

[Duanerice]

WOW! So much excitement :)

I have 2 of the 2007 model as can be seen in my avatar. I wear them at each Disney race which was 3 this year. I love being recognized and being able to easily recognize other team members. While it might be a "heavier" shirt when running the marathon the weight of the shirt was the least of my worries. I did all my LR's, in South Florida, with the shirts. No problems.

Now if we can replicate the current design in a newer material I am all for it. But, I feel strongly that we need to keep the current design. I will not be buying a new design but a new shirt with the current design, probably.

I can't tell you how proud I was to wear that shirt during the Marathon, TOT and RFTT. It made me part of the team. Team members saw me and I saw them. It was a big boost for me. I wouldn't trade it for the world.

I have to admit, I don't wear it to local races or most training runs because I have shirts with our business name on it. Free advertising. Right now my shirts read "DRiceRealty.com" I should just put on the back "you just got passed by D Rice Realty" except it might not go over so good. And, based on where I run it might need to say "you are passing D Rice Realty" :rotfl:
Thanks to everyone that has a hand in this. It is not easy and I really do appreciate all the work and effort that is put forth.

enjoy,
Duane

[MiniGirl]

Obviously, I am missing something. Is the shirt design pictured in the first page of this thread the design that is wanted on eye2eye? If it is, it is a fundamental design change. If it's not, why is that the picture?:confused3

If I understand correctly (and I may not), the picture on page 1 would somehow be woven into the fabric and not part of the design that is silk-screened onto the shirt, so it is like a watermark on the fabric and can be made as subtle or as bold as wanted. Also, nothing has been decided on, that is just to try to show what CAN be done. The design itself, however, remains in tact.

Now, if the objections are to the watermark, then I understand what you (and others) are saying. However, I respectfully disagree. I don't think a faint watermark would detract from the original design and message on the shirt. Also, the first thing anyone would spot would be the bright green shirt with the bold black lettering. It wouldn't be until the person wearing the shirt were much closer that the watermark (for lack of a better term) would be noticed.

I also don't think it would take away from the team look. Several WISH team members have personalized their shirts and look no less part of the team. Even places that I have worked that required uniforms offered different options to pick and choose from, but it didn't make us not look like employees. In other words, those that like the "classic" version wear that. Those who want a bolder design can wear the watermark.

Finally, I don't think change is necessarily a bad thing. All teams redesign uniforms from time to time to take advantage of new technology or newer trends, and they manage to do it without losing the image they are trying to project.

I also need to clarify something I said in my earlier post. I mentioned wanting a white or pink WISH shirt. I never meant that I wanted to change the bright lime green shirt for the events. I love that our shirts are bright and stand out at these events. I love that a WISH teammate can be seen way in the distance. I meant that I wanted a less bright shirt to wear around my neighborhood while on training runs/walks. I love our shirts and the message they convey. It has meant so much to me personally that I want to wear it more, but I don't normally wear the brighter colors. I liked Sunny's site, but didn't notice any moisture wicking shirts.

Also, I want to thank all those involved in designing and ordering our shirts, hats, etc. I know we are all busy these days and I appreciate the work ya'll do on our behalf. I'm fine with whatever is decided. I really am. I just really don't understand why we can't have both and let people decide for themselves which one (if any) they want.

[angietuck2]

Here is what I posted on Race Ready site (and skimming through posts I think it kind of corresponds to what MEL said):


B]MEL[/B]

I have not posted this on the other thread yet but as someone who has kind of just been barely trying to keep up lately it seems like there are an awful lot of orders on this thread, a lot of us wanting to get something before MINNIE especially :confused3 . There has been an awful lot of talk about all the new people and wanting to have WISH gear because they are so inspired and feel so welcomed by this group. There was a lot of talk right after Marathon about how HUGE this group has gotten.

Maybe I am completely out of line because I am new and maybe those who have all the OLD wish gear are looking for something different (which I completely respect - I have a closet full of clothes because i hate to wear the same thing over and over :rolleyes1 ) I think a lot of us "Newbies" just want some WISH gear with the main slogan on the back. When we did Disney 1/2 last year I followed a girl a good bit of the way with your slogan on the back and it CARRIED ME!!!! - I never knew who that was :confused3

I don't have as much vested because I haven't been around as long but I like the traditional and I just really want a shirt before MINNIE!! IF The big WISH is on the front of it is really that big of a deal if we order these shirts now and then potentially switch to eye2eye design over summer????

AS long as they both say WISH??? I don't know, that's just my opinion -- for what it's worth :idea:

I JUST WANT A DARN SHIRT!!!! :laughing:

[cdotla]

Angie - I am with you. If I don't have some kind of Lime Green WISH shirt on my back for the Minnie I am going to be completely bummed!

As a newbie, I know no one on the Team, nor would anyone recognize me as a WISH member if I don't have a shirt.:sad2:

[getnthinr]

again, I think the people that are of larger size than RR could accomadate were trying to see IF eye2eye could do something - a group of WISH scream teamers saw eye2eye and thought of the possibilities could exist in going with this company -

1. they do a wrap around design (has possibilities for a SCREAM TEAMWISH shirt)
2 people could order just one shirt - any time - eye2eye will keep the ORIGINAL design on file and In tact - I honestly dont believe anyone wants to change that for all the reasons everyone has stated.
3. no need for one person to be in charge of collecting large sums of money to send to the company at one time, then to disperse all the shirts to those that ordered - 1 on 1 with eye2eye.

4. Size, style, color, ORIGINAL design accomadated. (from child size to adult XXXXL - women/men)

Thanks, Sandy321! I thought the only eye2eye shirt currently under consideration was the watermarked design as well. Not that I wouldn't end up ordering one of those -- 'cause I kinda like pictures -- but I didn't know an order of the unaltered original design was even being considered other than some of us here saying, "Gee, wouldn't it be nice if..." about doing exactly that.

[TEK224]

Kristi - I'll join you in the minority. I don't really have a problem with the heaviness of the wicking shirts we have now (of course as slow as I go I'm probably not sweating too much either :lmao: )

RR won't fit me in the female size. I already have a sleeveless, ss, ls and tank so I'm pretty set as far as the original design is concerned.

I do like the shirt with the castle and other icons. I would buy one just to wear to the parks or during training (I've never been a slave to fashion :) ). And the fact they can be ordered individually works well too. A lot less work for those who have been ordering shirts (and I do appreciate it :worship: ).

But I would still wear my original to the races. Sentimental value.

And as others have said, the first things that catch your eye are the bright color and large black WISH letters. I think they have to stay.

So, although I don't need any more of the original shirts, if we do place an order with eye2eye, depending on which design is finally decided on, I would be interested in ordering there.

Terri

[wtpclc]

Just wanted to say that I am glad I saw teh true WISH spirit coming out here. I am sorry if I isunderstood the design info on the eye2eye thread, but that was teh impression I got after reading all the way through.

Plus, I was not posting this to way lay anything, I just wanted to get everyone's ideas when there was a big step that we had done as a team before.

Thank you to all who worked through this teh way a team should! :goodvibes

It looks like several thigns have been solced:

1. People ordering now know that there may be diff options in teh future.

2. We will try to get an "original" WISH shirt from eye2eye. This will give us all options in a lighter material the the original look in all sizes.

3. If people want a fancier shirt, they can get it.

SOunds liek we are good on all accounts.

Thanks again!

[fan_of_small_world]

I'm not sure if this has been said, because I've been away for a week and I'm having a hard time keeping up with all of these threads, so please forgive me if I'm repeating anyone!

Anyway, the only thing I would consider when looking at a new version of the shirts is that WISHers recognize each other on the course from the back, not the front.

As important as it is to keep the WISH name clearly on the front, the backs should all be very similar too, I think. If someone wants to add an underlay graphic, I think that's great. But the text on the backs of all of the shirts should match each other in both wording as well as layout. I think this is especially true if different companies are used to accomodate different weights and sizes, resulting in slightly different lime greens being used.

As for how many designs and companies, I think that as long as some basic standards are kept (i.e., the name on the front being the same layout and size; likewise with the back printing), then I say go for it if you want to add more!

Just $.02 from a newbie! :)