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Tiffany
02-02-2008, 09:36 PM
Hi,

Is Space Mountain at DL any different from the one at WDW? Specificly the ride vehicles.

bumbershoot
02-02-2008, 09:41 PM
You ride side by side at DL's space Mtn. I have read that that is different from WDW, but I could be wrong.

I've also read that it's smoother than at WDW.

rstamm
02-02-2008, 10:02 PM
Hi,

Is Space Mountain at DL any different from the one at WDW? Specificly the ride vehicles.

It is one of the greatest rides I have ever been on and can't wait to ride it in June.

It is a million times better than WDW.

Mrs. Bee
02-02-2008, 10:09 PM
Oh my God...they are completely different!!

I went on Space Mountain at WDW for the first time this month. I knew it was going to be different than the one at Disneyland but I had no idea just how much.

First, the ride vehicles are completely different. At Disneyland you ride in rows of two. Each rocket holding 6 people. Two rockets are connected. At WDW you are seating behind each other (just like on the Matterhorn at Disneyland.)

Disneyland's Space Mountain is set to music which completely enhances the experience.

Disneyland's is also a lot darker and harder to see the track.

Disneyland's is super smooth. I don't know if I'm just getting old, but I didn't enjoy WDW's Space Mountain at all. I felt like my head was going to fall off or I was going to get whiplash or something.

Oh...and the ride vehicles at WDW have almost no leg room or anything.

We waited in line for SM at WDW for about 20 minutes. We also had fast passes. Aftering riding it once, we gave our fast passes away. Once was enough! SM at Disneyland we will ride over and over. We rode in 7 times in one night over the course of an hour or two.

Tiffany
02-02-2008, 10:21 PM
Thanks so much for all of the quick replies. We used to enjoy SM at WDW but the whipping effect started to cause us to have back pain after riding so we have not ridden this for a few years now. We are blaming it on getting old and on how the ride vehicles are set up. It sounds like we will give SM at DL a try. We have never been and are thinking of making a trip in 2009. We usually do a week in Jan and a week in Sept at WDW how is Sept to visit DL?

DoomBugger
02-02-2008, 10:26 PM
WDW SM is just a Matterhorn knockoff. The tracks are the exact same ride. The DL SM is a single-track that is much more exciting than the Magic Kingdom's version, which is the first SM and DL's is the second one built.

No comparison between the two, even if MK SM has two lines to make the wait times shorter.

If you have a problem with the WDW SM you should avoid The Matterhorn at DL, it is the same ride with different themeing and is rough too.

September at DLR will be hot and crowded.

Tiffany
02-02-2008, 10:36 PM
WDW SM is just a Matterhorn knockoff. The tracks are the exact same ride. The DL SM is a single-track that is much more exciting than the Magic Kingdom's version, which is the first SM and DL's is the second one built.

No comparison between the two, even if MK SM has two lines to make the wait times shorter.

If you have a problem with the WDW SM you should avoid The Matterhorn at DL, it is the same ride with different themeing and is rough too.

September at DLR will be hot and crowded.

Thanks for the heads up on the Matterhorn. We are okay with hot as it is still hot in Orlando in Sept. but the crowds are lighter, relatively speaking. Is there is low crowd season for DL?

Mrs. Bee
02-02-2008, 10:36 PM
The matterhorn is a bit slower and I don't think it felt nearly as rough as SM at WDW. I enjoy the matterhorn quite a bit. It's by no means a smooth ride but it's still fun to go on once in a while.

Are you sure the matterhorn and space mountain at WDW are the same exact track?

Mrs. Bee
02-02-2008, 10:38 PM
Avoid labor day weekend if you can. If you can go later in September you'll be able to avoid crowds a little more. Although in past years I don't think the slow seasons are as slow as they used to be. Every now and then you luck out and get there are on a slow day though.

Mrs. Bee
02-02-2008, 10:42 PM
For weather stuff....

Go here http://www.wunderground.com/tripplanner/index.aspand you can see what past weather was like for the times you're planning your trip.

Quest4fun
02-02-2008, 10:48 PM
Space Mountain while similar to the Matterhorn it is a different breed of the same animal. They're often mistaken for being the same ride because they're both two sided (designed to keep lines shorter) and both have the side by side lift hill which was simply convenient. Space Mountain trumps the Matterhorn's length by about 1000' and its height by about 40 feet. Oddly enough though they both top out at 27mph.

Disneyland's Space Mountain blows away The Magic Kingdom's with a nuclear weapon. It's faster, smoother, and has substantially better effects. The soundtrack is also fantastic. Even the old Dick Dale tune they used after the first upgrade was decent when it worked. I could ride this one all day without suffering a migrane. It's just fast enough to be fun but not so much that it tests your physical limits. Go and go often. It's a great ride.

The Magic Kingdom version? If you want to skip the line but still have the same ride experience I'd be more than happy to punch you in the back of the skull.

DoomBugger
02-02-2008, 10:49 PM
Are you sure the matterhorn and space mountain at WDW are the same exact track?

Positive. If I have time later I'll post up the historical information. Basically to save money they used the blueprints from The Matterhorn for the tracks since they already had them and it would save millions in development / engineering / production time and nobody would be the wiser for it as evidenced by this thread. Big companies do this type of thing all the time, it is called "repackaging".

Tiffany
02-02-2008, 10:49 PM
Thanks for all of the info. Mrs. Bee.

Mrs. Bee
02-02-2008, 10:50 PM
The Magic Kingdom version? If you want to skip the line but still have the same ride experience I'd be more than happy to punch you in the back of the skull.


HAHAHA!!! Awesome.
:rotfl: :rotfl2: :lmao:

Mrs. Bee
02-02-2008, 10:52 PM
Thanks for all of the info. Mrs. Bee.

No problem. Any other questions just let me know and I'll attempt to answer them as best I can. I am sort of a Disneyland nut...haha.

DoomBugger
02-02-2008, 11:05 PM
The tracks on DL Matterhorn are shorter than MK SM so it is not an exact replica but the layout is loosely based on Matterhorn apparently. I'll try to find more info on the development.

valenrandy
02-03-2008, 01:11 AM
SM at WDW and Matterhorn at DLR use the same style track and train......
They both are twin coasters with a twin lift.
From there all similarities are non existant.
Once at the top no turn is the same.

come on now....... one is in space and the other is in swissland!:lmao:

Mrs. Bee
02-03-2008, 02:32 AM
valenrandy...what is going on in that picture in your signature?

DLR29
02-03-2008, 10:28 AM
Positive. If I have time later I'll post up the historical information. Basically to save money they used the blueprints from The Matterhorn for the tracks since they already had them and it would save millions in development / engineering / production time and nobody would be the wiser for it as evidenced by this thread. Big companies do this type of thing all the time, it is called "repackaging".

I don't know where you're getting this from, but the two Matterhorn tracks are completely different from each other, while the two MK Space tracks are mirror images. They are not the same ride at all. MK's Space has a loading and unloading station with a lift chain in between. Matterhorn's beginning portion (right before the lift) is much shorter.

They might have designed MK's Space with the same kind of track, but not the same track layout at all.

Also, in response to crowds in September. It is the least crowded month of the whole year. Even Labor Day weekend(at least this year) was not that crowded. There should be very short waits for attractions. However Haunted Mansion will probably be down in the beginning to install the Holiday overlay.

DoomBugger
02-03-2008, 10:54 AM
I don't know where you're getting this from, but the two Matterhorn tracks are completely different from each other, while the two MK Space tracks are mirror images. They are not the same ride at all. MK's Space has a loading and unloading station with a lift chain in between. Matterhorn's beginning portion (right before the lift) is much shorter.

They might have designed MK's Space with the same kind of track, but not the same track layout at all.

Also, in response to crowds in September. It is the least crowded month of the whole year. Even Labor Day weekend(at least this year) was not that crowded. There should be very short waits for attractions. However Haunted Mansion will probably be down in the beginning to install the Holiday overlay.

That is the point, they are both tubular steel coasters with the same type of trains. They go about the same speed and have a similiar feel.

September being the least crowded? I disagree, I would say January is the least crowded of the year. DL is always crowded year around for the most part. I love the short lines after the holiday hoopla!

LittleWoodenHead
02-03-2008, 11:04 AM
It is a million times better than WDW.
I realize youíre exaggerating for effect. Space Mountain at DL is actually only about 1,000 times better than the one at WDW.

September at DLR will be hot and crowded.
Yes, September is one of our hottest months. (But itís a dry heat.)
:beach:

But crowded? Apart from the weekends - and Labor Day, of course - September is one of the better months to visit the park.

If you can go later in September you'll be able to avoid crowds a little more. Although in past years I don't think the slow seasons are as slow as they used to be.
Iíve gone to DLR at different times during September, and I would say the exact opposite. The week or two after Labor Day is probably as close to a slow season as youíre likely to get. Later in the month, the Haunted Mansion overlay and the Halloween decorations are up, and crowds will be too.

Also, in response to crowds in September. It is the least crowded month of the whole year. Even Labor Day weekend(at least this year) was not that crowded. There should be very short waits for attractions. However Haunted Mansion will probably be down in the beginning to install the Holiday overlay.
I donít know if September is the least crowded Ė but I agree that it is one of the least.

I also was there on Labor Day Monday last year. Aside from it being as hot as Hades, it was really not that bad. And the day after was noticeably slower (and a bit cooler).

The Magic Kingdom version? If you want to skip the line but still have the same ride experience I'd be more than happy to punch you in the back of the skull.
:rotfl:

Mrs. Bee
02-03-2008, 12:52 PM
I realize youíre exaggerating for effect. Space Mountain at DL is actually only about 1,000 times better than the one at WDW.


Yes, September is one of our hottest months. (But itís a dry heat.)
:beach:

But crowded? Apart from the weekends - and Labor Day, of course - September is one of the better months to visit the park.


Iíve gone to DLR at different times during September, and I would say the exact opposite. The week or two after Labor Day is probably as close to a slow season as youíre likely to get. Later in the month, the Haunted Mansion overlay and the Halloween decorations are up, and crowds will be too.


I donít know if September is the least crowded Ė but I agree that it is one of the least.

I also was there on Labor Day Monday last year. Aside from it being as hot as Hades, it was really not that bad. And the day after was noticeably slower (and a bit cooler).


:rotfl:

a "dry heat"...haha. if it's 100 degrees..it's 100 degrees. it sucks even with no humidity.

well, my idea of "not crowded" is probably different than yours.

Quest4fun
02-03-2008, 01:32 PM
That is the point, they are both tubular steel coasters with the same type of trains. They go about the same speed and have a similiar feel.

So what you're saing then is that WDW Space Mountain is the exact same ride as every tubular steel coaster?

The Matterhorn trains are quite different from Space Mountain. Space Mountain has two train cars like the matterhorn and the similarities stop there. Each Matterhorn train car holds 4 guests (two per seat) and use lap belts to hold them in place. Space Mountain also has two train cars but each hold 3 guests (each in their own seat) with a lap bar. Space Mountain also has a much narrower train.

There's no way you could mistake the two unless you've only been on each of them once and it was ten years ago. I've been on both within the last 3 months and I assure you they're quite different.

Mrs. Bee
02-03-2008, 01:40 PM
WDW's Space Mountain ride vehicles are probably one of the most uncomfortable ones I've ever sat in. Ugh. I am not a large person either so I don't know how tall people or overweight (even just mildly overweight) people do it. It was awful...........and the ride sucked.

Quest4fun
02-03-2008, 01:47 PM
I'm a hair under 6 feet tall and I could not get my legs into that darned train. Knees up the lap bar wouldn't close so I had to practically sit indian style in some insane yoga position. Maybe I just have awkward proportions. This ride is probably very comfortable if you're around 5 feet tall and have no neck.

DoomBugger
02-03-2008, 01:49 PM
So what you're saing then is that WDW Space Mountain is the exact same ride as every tubular steel coaster?

The Matterhorn trains are quite different from Space Mountain. Space Mountain has two train cars like the matterhorn and the similarities stop there. Each Matterhorn train car holds 4 guests (two per seat) and use lap belts to hold them in place. Space Mountain also has two train cars but each hold 3 guests (each in their own seat) with a lap bar. Space Mountain also has a much narrower train.

There's no way you could mistake the two unless you've only been on each of them once and it was ten years ago. I've been on both within the last 3 months and I assure you they're quite different.

No, what I was saying is that SM MK is more like the Matterhorn in design and style than SM DL.

Mrs. Bee
02-03-2008, 01:52 PM
WDW SM is just a Matterhorn knockoff. The tracks are the exact same ride. The DL SM is a single-track that is much more exciting than the Magic Kingdom's version, which is the first SM and DL's is the second one built.

No comparison between the two, even if MK SM has two lines to make the wait times shorter.

If you have a problem with the WDW SM you should avoid The Matterhorn at DL, it is the same ride with different themeing and is rough too.

September at DLR will be hot and crowded.

No, what I was saying is that SM MK is more like the Matterhorn in design and style than SM DL.


Actually, you were saying their tracks are the exact same ride. At least that's how I read it.

DoomBugger
02-03-2008, 02:03 PM
Actually, you were saying their tracks are the exact same ride. At least that's how I read it.

Read the whole thread. I said later it is not the exact same ride layout-wise after seeing that the layout is different and longer. It is similiar in it's lack of thrills though, atleast when comparing to DL's version.

The point of this thread was the differences between the two SMs in the US and in my opinion the MK SM is more like DL Matterhorn than any other coaster. That's it, I have corrected myself on that post so get over it.

Mrs. Bee
02-03-2008, 02:06 PM
You just seemed to be afraid to admit that you were wrong when you said they are the exact same track. It's okay. We all make mistakes.

Yes, WDW's SM is more like the Matterhorn than like DL's SM.

DoomBugger
02-03-2008, 02:14 PM
You just seemed to be afraid to admit that you were wrong when you said they are the exact same track. It's okay. We all make mistakes.

Yes, WDW's SM is more like the Matterhorn than like DL's SM.

Again you might want to read everything before telling me I won't admit I'm wrong. I said I was wrong about them being exact but as we agree the Matterhorn comparison is valid which was the main point. Stop focusing on one point I was wrong about that I clarified way back in this thread. Maybe you just like to tell people they are wrong.

The point is when I ride DL SM I feel thrilled by it and when I ride MK SM I feel like they made a kiddie coaster. I think we pretty much agree on most points here, were just getting bogged down in a mistake I made which I take full responsibility for. :thumbsup2

Quest4fun
02-03-2008, 02:15 PM
A hamburger is more like a ham sandwich than it is a pizza. That doesn't mean they should be declared as the same thing.

bumbershoot
02-03-2008, 03:11 PM
People people...the DLR forum is the nice haven on the Dis!

Tiffany
02-03-2008, 03:35 PM
Also, in response to crowds in September. It is the least crowded month of the whole year. Even Labor Day weekend(at least this year) was not that crowded. There should be very short waits for attractions. However Haunted Mansion will probably be down in the beginning to install the Holiday overlay.

We were thinking Sept 19th through Oct 3rd to cover DL, CA, KBF and then drive down and checkout San Diego. Would the HM be reopened by then?

Quest4fun
02-03-2008, 03:39 PM
We were thinking Sept 19th through Oct 3rd to cover DL, CA, KBF and then drive down and checkout San Diego. Would the HM be reopened by then?

They usually open it up the first weekend or week of October. If anything you'll be there for the soft opening which usually takes place a week before the official opening. I love the classic ride but the holiday version is equally fantastic.

Have fun!

Tiffany
02-03-2008, 03:46 PM
They usually open it up the first weekend or week of October. If anything you'll be there for the soft opening which usually takes place a week before the official opening. I love the classic ride but the holiday version is equally fantastic.

Have fun!

Thanks for the information so you would recommend we do DL/CA/KBF on the second week and San Diego on the first week?

DLR29
02-03-2008, 04:21 PM
That is the point, they are both tubular steel coasters with the same type of trains. They go about the same speed and have a similiar feel.

September being the least crowded? I disagree, I would say January is the least crowded of the year. DL is always crowded year around for the most part. I love the short lines after the holiday hoopla!

I meant the entire month. There is no really crowded time in September, whereas the first week of January is quite crowded as is Martin Luther King weekend.

DoomBugger
02-03-2008, 04:55 PM
I meant the entire month. There is no really crowded time in September, whereas the first week of January is quite crowded as is Martin Luther King weekend.

You were at DLR for an entire month? Just joking! Come to think of it, you could pull it off by putting your bills in the mailboxes on Main Street! ha ha

Maybe there are different definitions of what crowded is. I am probably not as patient as most and since I've been and go often we usually go only when it is not too crowded anymore. I am of the belief that DL is about 90% of the time crowded, or atleast too crowded for me. We usually go for a few hours in the evenings or set aside a weekday and simply avoid the hot months.

I kind of see January and September similiarly, one as the cold month and one as the hot month. The crowds are pretty good since they both follow their respective very busy Holiday and Summer seasons as long as you avoid the one weekend and a couple days before and after them too in MLK weekend and Labor Day weekend.

Another reason I give it up for January is that you have the cold and possibly rain factor which causes for some very literally empty days and ghost town nights! September the weather is still great at night so alot of locals go for the last few hours to utilize the shorter crowds and more of the tourists stay later. We were in DL four times during the month of January and it was literally a private park some of the nights. We were getting multiple rides on things like Thunder Mountain because of the lack of riders.

I like both months, two of the best on the calendar for visiting but the cold weather factor really works for us in a way that could never happen when the weather is still in summer mode.:cool2:

LittleWoodenHead
02-04-2008, 11:15 AM
well, my idea of "not crowded" is probably different than yours.
If my longest wait is 20 minutes for Peter Pan at 11:00AM, then, yeah, the park is "not crowded" in my opinion. YMMV.

We were thinking Sept 19th through Oct 3rd to cover DL, CA, KBF and then drive down and checkout San Diego. Would the HM be reopened by then?
Last year, the Haunted Mansion Holiday officially opened on Friday, September 21.

famograham
02-04-2008, 11:42 AM
I'll chime in about September :)

We were there this past September 19-21, wed, thur, fri.
It was WONDERFUL!!! Not too hot, not very crowded at ALL until Friday.

I would HIGHLY recommend September!

tinkermell
02-04-2008, 03:00 PM
People people...the DLR forum is the nice haven on the Dis!::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::

Mrs. Bee
02-04-2008, 03:12 PM
If my longest wait is 20 minutes for Peter Pan at 11:00AM, then, yeah, the park is "not crowded" in my opinion. YMMV.


Last year, the Haunted Mansion Holiday officially opened on Friday, September 21.

i'm slow. what is YMMV?

Brady's Mom
02-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Thanks for the heads up on the Matterhorn. We are okay with hot as it is still hot in Orlando in Sept. but the crowds are lighter, relatively speaking. Is there is low crowd season for DL?

My DH and I were in DLR the week after Labor Day in Sept. 07. It was about the most perfect time there. The weather was a little hot. (i'm from Utah, so it wasn't that different) I just wore a visor and sunglasses. But the best part about it was the crowds. THERE WERE NONE. We walked on to every ride. At SM we walked through and right on to the ride. No waiting. We could have waited a few minutes if we wanted to specify seating. But we didn't care. We walked on to POTC. After we had my 40th B-day dinner at Blue Bayou, sitting by the water. It was really fun to see the diners and find where we were sitting. I would go again in Sept. in a heart beat. Really the only ride we waited for was ToT in DCA. That was about 20 minutes because they didn't have all the elevators going. We are hoping it will be the same way in March when we go.

azgal81
02-04-2008, 03:45 PM
i'm slow. what is YMMV?

Your mileage may vary

Quest4fun
02-04-2008, 05:40 PM
Thanks for the information so you would recommend we do DL/CA/KBF on the second week and San Diego on the first week?

Do SD last.
Even though the soft opening starts late September, they gradually add many of the final features so you may experience an incomplete experience the earlier you go. This is not always the case as HM Holiday's rollout is different every year. Granted if you've never seen it you won't notice what's missing.

Quest4fun
02-04-2008, 05:45 PM
I'll chime in about September :)

We were there this past September 19-21, wed, thur, fri.
It was WONDERFUL!!! Not too hot, not very crowded at ALL until Friday.

I would HIGHLY recommend September!

September is usually great (unless it's hot and windy) and most attractions are still open even though the hours are shortened.

It's nice to meet Canada's Famous Graham. I am the US version and have been for some time now. I'm usually referred to as "infamous" though since I like to think of myself as more than famous.

famograham
02-04-2008, 06:31 PM
:lmao: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

Very pleased to meet you!!!

You know, I NEVER thought of it that way until you mentioned it!!??!!

Yep, I've been a Graham for 11.5 years now :)

My famo, to me, means family "o" Graham...

But, hey..I like your idea too!!

You totally made me laugh my butt off!

Famous....or infamous....I like both....but I'm definitely neither!!

:laughing:
Linda

Mrs. Bee
02-04-2008, 08:22 PM
famograham...is graham your last name then?

quest's first name is graham.

graham is one of my favorite names actually. although i know someone who spells it "gram" and that is weird.

famograham
02-04-2008, 08:27 PM
'Tis a good name! Yep, it's my last name.

I know what you mean about the Gram thing...it's a pet peeve of mine when people pronounce it that way :)
But the WORST is when telemarketers call and ask for Mrs. GRA-HAM....pretty funny.

Quest4fun
02-04-2008, 08:51 PM
'Tis a good name! Yep, it's my last name.

I know what you mean about the Gram thing...it's a pet peeve of mine when people pronounce it that way :)
But the WORST is when telemarketers call and ask for Mrs. GRA-HAM....pretty funny.

Tell me about it. It is a two cyllable name but the H goes with the first half.

C'MON!

famograham
02-04-2008, 09:31 PM
:rotfl: Now THIS is what I call off topic! :rotfl:
But great fun none the less, and a tad bit friendlier!