Juicy AKV's Rumor.....

[pyrxtc]

I was just told on the phone..... :worship: :woohoo: :dance3:


(while I was booking my concierge room) that Kidani is going to have possibly a whole floor of concierge rooms as well as regular rooms so it will make it easier o book for everyone who wants to. :cool1: :cool1: :thumbsup2 (well, maybe not everyone :rolleyes1 , but more than now!)

now anyone else who ahs heard this, please tell it's true cuz I know there will be plenty of times I will want to stay concierge. A real bonus would be a Grand Villa in the concierge area!! Or maybe two or 4 of them if they are using a whole floor :confused3 :worship: .

Well, anyone know anything??

[Chuck S]

We'll know soon, I'm sure. It would have to be disclosed prior to them selling anything at Kidani, as it would affect the number of points that could be sold at Kidani.

[wildernessDad]

I would have thought that if they had this in the works all along, that they would have announced it, as it is a potentially good thing from a sales standpoint. So I am somewhat skeptical about the rumor. But we shall see!

[pyrxtc]

Maybe they are thinking things through, seeing so many people calling for concierge and liking it as an option for room categories and seeing the quiestion being asked all around the internet and poeple responding by saying they wish they would do it.

I know I would be all for it!!

[spiceycat]

with only 4 or 5 2-bedroom that concierge is now.

you just about have to join AKV to get them.

if they added that many rooms - would concierge still be so special?

[kgc07]

The DVC member site still says there will be no concierge in Kidani.

[CarolMN]

Wonder if the attraction / desire for concierge rooms is concierge service or the ability to book the special safaris? Personally, I think it is mostly the safaris.

[tomandrobin]

I'll believe it, when I see it.

[DBorges]

I was told the same thing TODAY .

It makes prefect sence too .

Unlike crv this is more of a reality then that rumor since the actual building is far from the resorts checking I believe this to be true

[pyrxtc]

Wonder if the attraction / desire for concierge rooms is concierge service or the ability to book the special safaris? Personally, I think it is mostly the safaris.

I don't think it's just the Safari's. I think people (like me) like the daily maid service, the turndown, the food offerings, and the helpful ADR bookings.

And yes, I think it would still be as special but more people could enjoy it.

[SSRFred]

I was told the same thing TODAY .

It makes prefect sence too .

Unlike crv this is more of a reality then that rumor since the actual building is far from the resorts checking I believe this to be true

They do the same thing at the GF. I'm sure due to the popularity, more concierge rooms will be available.
CRV will most certainly be a reality. 2006 was a banner year for timeshares as will be 2007. With the uncertain future of real estate and the associated revenues, hotel occupancy will go down with real estate sales making timeshare sales more attractive. DVC is a huge plus for Disney. CRV will be announced as soon as Saratoga sells out.

Now, if I could only believe what I just wrote :3dglasses

[DBorges]

SSr is just about sold out it is 98% sold as of yesterday and AKV was at 78%

So what else makes you think that the new famiely suites at crs are vacation club.

They always do a presale before they even break ground ..

that constriuction has been on going for over a year.

AKV are procedding more in less time .

Not be rude but to dream is nice ..



They do the same thing at the GF. I'm sure due to the popularity, more concierge rooms will be available.
CRV will most certainly be a reality. 2006 was a banner year for timeshares as will be 2007. With the uncertain future of real estate and the associated revenues, hotel occupancy will go down with real estate sales making timeshare sales more attractive. DVC is a huge plus for Disney. CRV will be announced as soon as Saratoga sells out.

Now, if I could only believe what I just wrote :3dglasses

[jbrowna]

SSr is just about sold out it is 98% sold as of yesterday and AKV was at 78%

So what else makes you think that the new famiely suites at crs are vacation club.

They always do a presale before they even break ground ..



Bzzzzzt! Thanks for playing! :happytv:

According to Florida timeshare laws, they cannot "do a presale before they even break ground." They have to have at least 80% of the construction completed before they can conduct any sales. That is to prevent people from taking the money on the basis of a bunch of promises, and then skipping out before any construction begins.

Now if you mean they always announce something before they break ground, that may be the case generally, but it's not required that they do so.

:confused3 :confused3 :confused3

[DBorges]

Ok I will bite they sold before they had construction started at AKV this i know ..

I bought 200 points before ground was broken or a nail was driven.(PRESALES) for members only.

So yes we knew what we were getting into.








Bzzzzzt! Thanks for playing! :happytv:

According to Florida timeshare laws, they cannot "do a presale before they even break ground." They have to have at least 80% of the construction completed before they can conduct any sales. That is to prevent people from taking the money on the basis of a bunch of promises, and then skipping out before any construction begins.

Now if you mean they always announce something before they break ground, that may be the case generally, but it's not required that they do so.

:confused3 :confused3 :confused3

[Tiger926]

Ok I will bite they sold before they had construction started at AKV this i know ..

I bought 200 points before ground was broken or a nail was driven.(PRESALES) for members only.

So yes we knew what we were getting into.


I'm confused by this statement as well since we also bought at AKV and nothing was constructed either!

Can someone explain how Disney got around the law for AKV? Tiger

[crisi]

You don't close until its completed - at least that would be my guess. BCV had a huge percentage of the units committed before the single building was complete - but those people didn't close until the building was done. And they were certainly selling it when it was simply a frame - we drove by it and that was what they were selling when we bought - and had been selling for several months (we ended up buying resale - because they had so much BCV interest it was taking guides two plus weeks to return phone calls).

[llmurphy17]

I could see them adding concierge to kidani since it is such a hit in the jambo house. :goodvibes We are going to try it in October for the food and safari.:cloud9:

Weren't they able to see the AKV timeshares before construction of Kidani since they were selling shares in the jambo house. :confused3

Can't wait to see if the rumor is true or not. popcorn::

[3DisneyKids]

Ok I will bite they sold before they had construction started at AKV this i know ..

I bought 200 points before ground was broken or a nail was driven.(PRESALES) for members only.

So yes we knew what we were getting into.

I'm confused by this statement as well since we also bought at AKV and nothing was constructed either!

Can someone explain how Disney got around the law for AKV? Tiger

Yes...we were able to purchase before ground was broken at AKV...that is, ground at KIDANI. If you look at your deed, you "own" part of a unit in the original AKL (Jambo House). Florida law states that you can only start selling once a resort is (something like) 70% complete (I am sure one of the other DVC gurus will confirm or correct this).

With AKV...Jambo House was DONE and all they had to do was retro-fit rooms, thus they easily made the 70% completion rule to sell there.

And no...AKV is nowhere near 78% sold out. MAYBE Jambo house is 78%....but the lion's share of the resort will be at Kidani and they are just getting ready to sell there now. Like SSR, Kidani will have separate phases/buildings, thus once each building is at 70%, they can begin to sell there.

Hope this helps.

[DBorges]

I closed in May of last year before construction was really even started never mind 80% completed

I just thing this is a way to justife his dream of a crv :rotfl2:


You don't close until its completed - at least that would be my guess. BCV had a huge percentage of the units committed before the single building was complete - but those people didn't close until the building was done. And they were certainly selling it when it was simply a frame - we drove by it and that was what they were selling when we bought - and had been selling for several months (we ended up buying resale - because they had so much BCV interest it was taking guides two plus weeks to return phone calls).

[DBorges]

Yes phase 1 is

Yes...we were able to purchase before ground was broken at AKV...that is, ground at KIDANI. If you look at your deed, you "own" part of a unit in the original AKL (Jambo House). Florida law states that you can only start selling once a resort is (something like) 70% complete (I am sure one of the other DVC gurus will confirm or correct this).

With AKV...Jambo House was DONE and all they had to do was retro-fit rooms, thus they easily made the 70% completion rule to sell there.

And no...AKV is nowhere near 78% sold out. MAYBE Jambo house is 78%....but the lion's share of the resort will be at Kidani and they are just getting ready to sell there now. Like SSR, Kidani will have separate phases/buildings, thus once each building is at 70%, they can begin to sell there.

Hope this helps.

[3DisneyKids]

I closed in MAy of last year before construction was really even started never mind 80% completed

I just thing this is a way to justife his dream of a crv :rotfl2:

Please realize that there are MANY folks on these boards who know DVC inside and out...to the letter of the POS. They know it far better than even MS folks. If you read my post above, you will see why you were able to purchase in May.

[spiceycat]

70% of the exterior building (not internal).

since the AKV was being done in a completely building - they could start selling immediately.

OKW and SSR were one building at a time - until more than 70% of the resort was done - then it was the resort (I think)

now back to CR.

don't know - wish they would tell us - but they won't. Hope and wishing it will be a CRV. but with Disney who knows.

really, really wish Disney would annouced it. but that annoucement is surpose to be in May.

[3DisneyKids]

Thanks for correcting me, Pat. I knew it was 70%...just forgot to mention that it is 70% of the exterior.

[DBorges]

70% of the exterior building (not internal).

since the AKV was being done in a completely building - they could start selling immediately.makes so sort of sence!

OKW and SSR were one building at a time - until more than 70% of the resort was done - then it was the resort (I think) what about beach club???

now back to CR.

don't know - wish they would tell us - but they won't. Hope and wishing it will be a CRV. but with Disney who knows.

really, really wish Disney would annouced it. but that annoucement is surpose to be in May.Really i have not heard that either??

[DBorges]

78 % is phase 1

There is not a diffrence other then from a sales point in AKV points it is what it is.

Jambo House/ KIDANI are one in the same as far a points and contracts ..

It would be way to hard to seperate the place in to diffrent points.

It is merly how they sell it phase 1 phase 2

Per a coversation with sales they are 78% sold out of phase 1


Yes...we were able to purchase before ground was broken at AKV...that is, ground at KIDANI. If you look at your deed, you "own" part of a unit in the original AKL (Jambo House). Florida law states that you can only start selling once a resort is (something like) 70% complete (I am sure one of the other DVC gurus will confirm or correct this).

With AKV...Jambo House was DONE and all they had to do was retro-fit rooms, thus they easily made the 70% completion rule to sell there.

And no...AKV is nowhere near 78% sold out. MAYBE Jambo house is 78%....but the lion's share of the resort will be at Kidani and they are just getting ready to sell there now. Like SSR, Kidani will have separate phases/buildings, thus once each building is at 70%, they can begin to sell there.

Hope this helps.

[3DisneyKids]

78 % is phase 1

There is not a diffrence other then from a sales point in AKV points it is what it is.

Jambo House/ KIDANI are one in the same as far a points and contracts ..

It would be way to hard to seperate the place in to diffrent points.

It is merly how they sell it phase 1 phase 2

Per a coversation with sales they are 78% sold out of phase 1

No argument...as I said, Jambo may well be 78% sold....there are not many rooms there. LisaS calcualted the number of points total for sale in Jambo and it is a small amount, respectively, so sure, I can believe that they may be at 78% at this time.

My point is that all DVCers "own" part of a particular unit. Right now, the only units that have been sold/are selling are in Jambo because they are not legally allowed to sell Kidani. If you check your deed, you will note that you own a percentage of a certine "Unit #." It means nothing, as we can stay wherever we want.

But your initial comment contested the fact that resorts have to be substantially completed before sales begin. Pat and I have both explained why you (and others, myself included) were able to purchase AKV seemingly before construction began.

[drag n' fly]

If this rumour is true I will be mighty glad AKV is my home resort :yay:

[DBorges]

"Yes...we were able to purchase before ground was broken at AKV...that is, ground at KIDANI. If you look at your deed, you "own" part of a unit in the original AKL (Jambo House). Florida law states that you can only start selling once a resort is (something like) 70% complete (I am sure one of the other DVC gurus will confirm or correct this)."


I did look at my deed and this is the wording as follows



An undivided *.**** interst in unit** of DISNEYS ANIMAL KINGDOM VILLIAS,
A LEASEHOLD CONDOMINIUM.

Nothing in My deed says anything about "jambo house"

So like I stated before Phase one is 78% sold out and phase two has not been sold .

But there is not diffrence between the two phase for buys of points.

In addtion to this Beach club villas was presold before construction was near 70% completed and there were no room in beach club that were converted..

[3DisneyKids]

"Yes...we were able to purchase before ground was broken at AKV...that is, ground at KIDANI. If you look at your deed, you "own" part of a unit in the original AKL (Jambo House). Florida law states that you can only start selling once a resort is (something like) 70% complete (I am sure one of the other DVC gurus will confirm or correct this)."


I did look at my deed and this is the wording as follows



An undivided *.**** interst in unit** of DISNEYS ANIMAL KINGDOM VILLIAS,
A LEASEHOLD CONDOMINIUM.

Nothing in My deed says anything about "jambo house"

So like I stated before Phase one is 78% sold out and phase two has not been sold .

But there is not diffrence between the two phase for buys of points.

In addtion to this Beach club villas was presold before construction was near 70% completed and there were no room in beach club that were converted..

No, there is nothing that says "Jambo House." never said there was. There IS, however, a UNIT # listed in your paperwork.

We are off topic and I am done explaining this. Happy New Year! :goodvibes

[JsMom2]

Pat and I have both explained why you (and others, myself included) were able to purchase AKV seemingly before construction began.

Thanks for the information. It's good to know. (I'm sure the rest of us understood!:goodvibes )

If they add concierge to Kidani, I just hope they are all Savannah View. I booked a 1BR Concierge at Jambo for next September, but changed it when I found out I wasn't guaranteed a Savannah View.

I'd mainly booked concierge because of the safari. When I'm "at home" I really don't want daily mousekeeping.

[dianeschlicht]

I'm confused by this statement as well since we also bought at AKV and nothing was constructed either!

Can someone explain how Disney got around the law for AKV? Tiger

There were rehabed units "built" in teh original building of AKL.

[3DisneyKids]

Thanks for the information. It's good to know. (I'm sure the rest of us understood!:goodvibes )

If they add concierge to Kidani, I just hope they are all Savannah View. I booked a 1BR Concierge at Jambo for next September, but changed it when I found out I wasn't guaranteed a Savannah View.

I'd mainly booked concierge because of the safari. When I'm "at home" I really don't want daily mousekeeping.

I agree....we are planning to book concierge next fall (yikes! I am already in the window...I better get on it!) but the non-guaranteed Savavannah view is puzzling. I would think that this would be one of the main guarantees of CL rooms. Yeah, I know that CL is really about service and amenities as opposed to room location, but still, when the view is the main feature of AKL...:confused3 ....I find it puzzling that it is not a gurantee.

Count me in as one who is excited about the possibility of CL at Kidani!:cool1: They already have the point structure in place for Jambo House...so when they go to sell points for Kidani, they could just make sure that the points work out so there are CL rooms available. Since Kidani is new construction and not retro-fit, I would think it would be easier to make sure that all CL rooms are also savannah view. Here's hoping! :goodvibes

[WebmasterDoc]

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I did look at my deed and this is the wording as follows



An undivided *.**** interst in unit** of DISNEYS ANIMAL KINGDOM VILLIAS,
A LEASEHOLD CONDOMINIUM.

Nothing in My deed says anything about "jambo house"

So like I stated before Phase one is 78% sold out and phase two has not been sold .

But there is not diffrence between the two phase for buys of points.

In addtion to this Beach club villas was presold before construction was near 70% completed and there were no room in beach club that were converted..
There is definitely a difference between the two phases. They are completely different structures.

Your unit ownership is physically located in Jambo House - and was a unit which was completed in May, 2007 - which is the reason you closed at that time. The final unit(s) in Jambo House will be completed this month and those members will close at that time (if any of those "units" have been sold by the end of this month).

At this time, no sales have been made for any if the Kidani "units" and those sales will not begin until enough of the structure has been completed to satisfy the legal requirements.

SSR sales began about 9 months prior to the resort opening - and that was allowed because the first building reached the required state of completion. The first four buildings at SSR opened one per month beginning in May, 2004 - the final building opened a few months ago.

BCV was the same, where no sales began until enough of the structure was completed. VWL didn't begin any sales until after the resort had already opened.

Since AKV consists of some new construction (Kidani Village) and some villas created from renovated existing resort rooms (Jambo House), it had the luxury of being able to begin sales long before ground was broken for Kidani - but only about 3 months prior to completion of the first rooms to be renovated. Thus, that resort was able to begin sales far earlier than any other DVC resort to date. GCV may have a similar sales structure. KoOlina will be more like SSR since there is no existing resort to utilize.

Several DVC resorts have opened in phases - OKW had 3 phases (the third was for the final 3 buildings with elevators after the original Sales Center was torn down), VB had 2 phases (the 2nd never was built) and SSR had 3 phases and now AKV is opening in 2 phases with Phase 1 being the renovated rooms within the existing Jambo House structure. Even BWV had a 2nd phase. It originally opened as a one-phase resort, but had a second round of sales when the sales center was closed (and moved to SSR) - thus freeing up some space for more villas.

HH opened entirely even though it has multiple separate buildings, VWL opened completely after construction ended and BCV opened in one phase.

Within those "phases" there are several "units" which are declared into member inventory based on the sales. Thus, DVD has the ability to rent these villas thru CRO until the rooms are added to the sales inventory. Once declared into inventory, the villas are available for point reservations even if they have not yet been sold and are no longer available thru CRO as cash reservations.

[Chester's Mum]

Wonder if the attraction / desire for concierge rooms is concierge service or the ability to book the special safaris? Personally, I think it is mostly the safaris.

The safari is why I 'd want to stay there. Not in the hotel long enough to make free snacks worth the extra cost in points.

[canda]

homer simpson says...."mmmmmmmmmaggggghh,,,,,,(drool) Free Snacks........mmmmmmmmggggggh......"

[SuzanneSLO]

The current AKV Declaration of Condominium limits the concierge units to Jambo House and limits the lounge to that location as well. If DVC add more conceirge units, they will undoubtedly do so before they begin selling any units in Kidani. This allows DVC the flexibility to amend the DoC without needing the consent of any members.

-- Suzanne

[GusMan]

The safari is why I 'd want to stay there. Not in the hotel long enough to make free snacks worth the extra cost in points.
A sincere question....
Is being in a concierge room (using extra points / extra costs), plus the extra costs to do the Safari really worth it?

Sorry if this causes a thread derail, but it always made me wonder since it seemed like a rather significant up-cost for a particular attraction.

[SSRFred]

A sincere question....
Is being in a concierge room (using extra points / extra costs), plus the extra costs to do the Safari really worth it?

Sorry if this causes a thread derail, but it always made me wonder since it seemed like a rather significant up-cost for a particular attraction.

I've done it once as a Cash customer and will do it again as a DVC member. The Sunrise Safari is a wonderful experience. As for concierge on points, the daily mousekeeping(~$30/day) is worth it if that matters to you.

[kgc07]

A sincere question....
Is being in a concierge room (using extra points / extra costs), plus the extra costs to do the Safari really worth it?

Sorry if this causes a thread derail, but it always made me wonder since it seemed like a rather significant up-cost for a particular attraction.

The answer depends on the person you are asking. Some people would say no, they want to use the least ammount of points possible. Others, like us, have stayed concierge level in hotels in the past and love that AKV offers the concierge level. Other than the safari, the loungs offers small snacks during the day and pre-vacation planning services.

[JimVL]

Wonder if the attraction / desire for concierge rooms is concierge service or the ability to book the special safaris? Personally, I think it is mostly the safaris.

I would book for the safaris. I would enjoy the other benefits, but I wouldn't use the extra points just for the other concierge benefits.

[drusba]

Florida law does not prohibit sales before breaking ground. It prohibits sales before filing of necessary plans, disclosure, and other documents, and even before that you can sell a right to purchase charging a down payment. What Florida law does require to assure the developer does not take the money and run is that all sums that you pay must go into an escrow account and the developer cannot have access to the money until completion of construction of the facilities that include the unit in which you are being sold an interest and, if the developer fails to complete, the money gets returned to you.

[JudithM]

I was told by a reliable DVC CM that, "We have no plans to have concierge rooms in Kidani Village."