2008 DDP: Choice of App. or Dessert

[desertbloom]

I don't know if this info has been confirmed on another thread but here is what I was told. (I don't have the patience to sift through 68 pages of postings) I spoke to a CM about the dining plan changes for 2008 last night when I called to change some details on my reservation. He told me you have a choice of an appetizer or dessert. Hopefully this is accurate as I know many of you don't want dessert. I am especially happy for people who are diabetic like my mother. Also, I am glad I read about the changes here as the CM that I spoke to originally did not make ANY mention of the fact that part of the plan was taken away. She did mention the gratuity was not included now after I specifically asked about it. No mention at all of the app being gone. I would have been pissed if I got there and found out I had to shell out the tip and part of my food was no longer covered. I'm hoping they are not trying to "sneak it past" people.

[Brian Noble]

While it would be nice if this were the case, I suspect this is yet another instance of a mis-informed DRC CM. The brochure is still quite clear on this point: entree and dessert for adult diners. It is possible that some places may allow substitutions, but it is not yet formal policy.

[TDC Nala]

I am also reasonably sure that this is not the case. WDW-DINE agents are notorious for dispensing inaccurate information regarding almost anything about special dining programs or events.

You will not know whether or not substitutions will be permitted unless you ask at the restuarant, but all Disney literature is consistent on the adult basic dining plan for 2008: entree and dessert included, no appetizer. Especially since the deluxe DP offering does include the appetizer.

I have friends I eat with who are diabetic and the TS restaurants almost always offer fruit sorbet or sugar-free desserts.

[BuffaloGal]

I can tell you that Disney is being very clear with its' servers. ABSOLUTELY NO SUBSTITUTION of an appetizer for a dessert. Period. Not even for a diabetic or an allergy. You can substitute an app for an entree if you aren't very hungry, though. popcorn::

[bicker]

Thanks for the info from the source, BuffaloGal.

[GILL-WDW]

I wonder if things will change once 2008 begins... I guess we will have to wait for about a month.

[TDC Nala]

I doubt things will change. If they put the tip back in (which I seriously doubt they will EVER), it won't be until another year starts.

[cdawngo]

I really hate that they have changed the dinning plan. It's not like Disney was losing any money. I feel that the servers are going to get short changed and become quite upset when dealing with dining plan guests.

[kaytieeldr]

I agree with TDC Nala, mostly. There will not be any changes to the 2008 Dining Plan (supposition unsupported by anything Disney has revealed). Any changes, negative or positive, would not go into effect until 1/1/09.

[hipchickie]

I can tell you that Disney is being very clear with its' servers. ABSOLUTELY NO SUBSTITUTION of an appetizer for a dessert. Period. Not even for a diabetic or an allergy. You can substitute an app for an entree if you aren't very hungry, though. popcorn::

In the last 2 days I have spoken to someone whom I was told is in charge of the DDP, as well as 2 others in management positions and they repeated this verbatim.
I will say that I got the subtle impression that it may change later on, but at THIS TIME, there are absolutely NO SUBSTITIONS on the plan. Which leaves me pissed off at my completely uninformed AAA travel agent and with 2 diabetics who have to eat fake sugar swill or fruit for the dessert.
but that is another story....

[gohogs34]

In the last 2 days I have spoken to someone whom I was told is in charge of the DDP, as well as 2 others in management positions and they repeated this verbatim.
I will say that I got the subtle impression that it may change later on, but at THIS TIME, there are absolutely NO SUBSTITIONS on the plan. Which leaves me pissed off at my completely uninformed AAA travel agent and with 2 diabetics who have to eat fake sugar swill or fruit for the dessert.
but that is another story....

we will be there on Jan. 27th. Maybe something will change for us?:confused3

[hipchickie]

we will be there on Jan. 27th. Maybe something will change for us?:confused3
I would not expect it by any means

[wide awake]

I just have a feeling there will be some changes in the plan...and the appetizer OR dessert is a great place to start....the app is my favorite part of the meal !

[bicker]

There will always be changes. The question is when, and what. The changes are as likely as not to be "good" or "bad" via a vis the guests' perspective.

[CarnotaurDad]

This is my own personal opinion. I am not a CM or in management or work for Disney in any way.

I absolutely do NOT think they will offer an app or dessert and here is why (IMHO):

* Part of offering just one or the other is to help turn over the tables more often. Basically, with allowing an app, entree and dessert with each meal, the time it takes for each meal is (obviously) longer than if you allow just a dessert and an entree.

* If they allowed a choice of app or dessert, in a hypotheical family with two adults, one adult would choose an app (and split) one would choose a dessert (and split) and the dinner is no faster than normal and Disney can't turn over the table as quick as they might like.

* Desserts are less expensive (in general) to have than apps, and are also more of a "treat" so Disney chose that instead of the appetizer.

* If people want to pay out of pocket for an appetizer, that's fine with Disney. Then at least the table is paying extra money.

I may be totally off base here, but I can't imagine them allowing one or the other because it would lengthen the meal without any additional revenue.

Keep in mind that I am NOT condemning this decision, just thinking about it from a business standpoint.

[Tricia1972]

This is my own personal opinion. I am not a CM or in management or work for Disney in any way.

I absolutely do NOT think they will offer an app or dessert and here is why (IMHO):

* Part of offering just one or the other is to help turn over the tables more often. Basically, with allowing an app, entree and dessert with each meal, the time it takes for each meal is (obviously) longer than if you allow just a dessert and an entree.

* If they allowed a choice of app or dessert, in a hypotheical family with two adults, one adult would choose an app (and split) one would choose a dessert (and split) and the dinner is no faster than normal and Disney can't turn over the table as quick as they might like.

* Desserts are less expensive (in general) to have than apps, and are also more of a "treat" so Disney chose that instead of the appetizer.

* If people want to pay out of pocket for an appetizer, that's fine with Disney. Then at least the table is paying extra money.

I may be totally off base here, but I can't imagine them allowing one or the other because it would lengthen the meal without any additional revenue.

Keep in mind that I am NOT condemning this decision, just thinking about it from a business standpoint.

I agree with your post 100%. To me it seems logical from Disney's standpoint to think this way.

[kaytieeldr]

This is my own personal opinion. I am not a CM or in management or work for Disney in any way. Hey, no, wait a minute. Those are MY opinions!!!!!! Wah! CarnotaurDad stole my opinions!!! :teeth:
Obviously, I agree completely with both the OP and the PP!

[pickles]

It would also stand to reason you may be inclined to pay OP for an appetizer when by the end of the meal you may be too stuffed to pay OP for dessert(and you may not even take the free one)
so from a money point of view their choice is very logical

[NMW]

I think cutting the appetizer will cut down on the total legnth of the meal. I know that when I waitressed in college, appetizers took almost as long as the entrees to prepare. Desserts on the other hand...many like cheesecake, were simply taken out the fridge and placed on a plate.

I also don't think Disney will give people an option of either or for 2008.

[angelmav]

Hey, no, wait a minute. Those are MY opinions!!!!!! Wah! CarnotaurDad stole my opinions!!! :teeth:
Obviously, I agree completely with both the OP and the PP!

I hate it when I find myself in complete agreement with others on any Disney related dining thread darnitt!:rotfl:

I also think this is the reason this wont change back, it makes too much sense for disney to do it this way, plus enough people will 'overspend on the deluxe DP to get the app and all inclusive nature back' its win-win for disney and a much closer to break even plan for everyone else.

OK, now let me find a thread I can disagree with :lmao:

[Belle1962]

I can tell you that Disney is being very clear with its' servers. ABSOLUTELY NO SUBSTITUTION of an appetizer for a dessert. Period. Not even for a diabetic or an allergy. You can substitute an app for an entree if you aren't very hungry, though. popcorn::


Just got back. Can confirm this is being enforced. Even if you show them your medical id bracelet. I just ordered dessert and then left it. Kinda like my own little rebellion. I didn't want Disney to get the idea they could save money by this change!

(I can see the suits now--ok guys--we can give them an appy or a dessert. Desserts are cheaper, there are guests who can't eat them, the selection is limited and some people will be too full to eat them and not want to carry them around. Let's go with dessert and we will make even more money because more people will let that portion go unused)

[bicker]

There are always at least some people who will be concerned more about what they're getting than they are about enjoying their vacation. I suspect they know that, and factored it into their decision-making.

[hematite153]

Just got back. Can confirm this is being enforced. Even if you show them your medical id bracelet. I just ordered dessert and then left it. Kinda like my own little rebellion. I didn't want Disney to get the idea they could save money by this change!

(I can see the suits now--ok guys--we can give them an appy or a dessert. Desserts are cheaper, there are guests who can't eat them, the selection is limited and some people will be too full to eat them and not want to carry them around. Let's go with dessert and we will make even more money because more people will let that portion go unused)

Yeah. This decision really bothers me. There's all this stuff about how Disney is creating healthier food options. But, if you get their dining plan it comes with dessert twice a day! I have (previously anyway) successfully substituted a salad or the kids grapes or applesauce (unsweetened) for the counter service dessert, at least.

I do get the argument about timing of the meal, but, they could have said something like App or Dess, but, the whole party must choose the same part of the meal.

I have (also previously) successfully substituted berries for the listed desserts so I may make a point of trying for this.

[Belle1962]

Yeah. This decision really bothers me. There's all this stuff about how Disney is creating healthier food options. But, if you get their dining plan it comes with dessert twice a day! I have (previously anyway) successfully substituted a salad or the kids grapes or applesauce (unsweetened) for the counter service dessert, at least.

I do get the argument about timing of the meal, but, they could have said something like App or Dess, but, the whole party must choose the same part of the meal.

I have (also previously) successfully substituted berries for the listed desserts so I may make a point of trying for this.


I only ate at two table service that weren't buffet or family style. (Tepan Edo and Sci Fi). At tepan Edo I gave my dessert away to the mom and daughter next to us. I had emailed Disney about their so called 'healthier eating" and the response I got back was basically--there are sugar free and healthier options at their restaurants. But--we were never hungry on the plan--even minus the appys and dessert. The time I ordered an appy I just paid for it. The server (Tepan Edo) felt the need to explain to me several times that it would cost extra--I kept telling her I knew it--but she kept repeating it (LOL).

[solfan68]

This is my own personal opinion. I am not a CM or in management or work for Disney in any way.

I absolutely do NOT think they will offer an app or dessert and here is why (IMHO):

* Part of offering just one or the other is to help turn over the tables more often. Basically, with allowing an app, entree and dessert with each meal, the time it takes for each meal is (obviously) longer than if you allow just a dessert and an entree.

While I, personally am a big proponent of the app/des choice... This was my understanding of Disney's thinking. Someone around here said it earlier, and its certainly true. Disney will do what is good for Disney. Turning over tables and accommodating more guests(DDP or otherwise) means more bucks for the mouse. Nuff said.

[hematite153]

While I, personally am a big proponent of the app/des choice... This was my understanding of Disney's thinking. Someone around here said it earlier, and its certainly true. Disney will do what is good for Disney. Turning over tables and accommodating more guests(DDP or otherwise) means more bucks for the mouse. Nuff said.

Yes, but, I think you'd turn tables over just as quickly by letting people get app & entree only. My family generally eats appetizers quickly (because we're hungry) but lingers over dessert. We'd spend a lot less time sitting at the table if we ate app & entree than by eating entree & dessert. Plus, I'm likely to pay OOP for an appetizer, then, ask for something different (i.e. berries) for dessert, whereas, we would have only had app & entree if that had been an option.

In other words, I get the logic of their decision, but, I think they've missed out on how it will actually work--and they've missed a critical PR point about how this action contradicts their claims that they are making things healthier.

[hipchickie]

Just got back. Can confirm this is being enforced. Even if you show them your medical id bracelet. I just ordered dessert and then left it. Kinda like my own little rebellion. I didn't want Disney to get the idea they could save money by this change!

(I can see the suits now--ok guys--we can give them an appy or a dessert. Desserts are cheaper, there are guests who can't eat them, the selection is limited and some people will be too full to eat them and not want to carry them around. Let's go with dessert and we will make even more money because more people will let that portion go unused)
That is a great idea - I just figured we would not order anything, but that is much better. It kills me to be wasting it though, so I think I will try to give it to another table first.

[hipchickie]

There are always at least some people who will be concerned more about what they're getting than they are about enjoying their vacation. I suspect they know that, and factored it into their decision-making.

I just knew it was a matter of time before someone chimed in with one of these ridiculous comments :lmao:

When are you going? Maybe we will see each other - I will be the one with the scowl counting pennies on a bench, I assume you will be the one skipping down Main St USA throwing $100 bills to the crowd?

[solfan68]

Yes, but, I think you'd turn tables over just as quickly by letting people get app & entree only. My family generally eats appetizers quickly (because we're hungry) but lingers over dessert. We'd spend a lot less time sitting at the table if we ate app & entree than by eating entree & dessert. Plus, I'm likely to pay OOP for an appetizer, then, ask for something different (i.e. berries) for dessert, whereas, we would have only had app & entree if that had been an option.

I see what you are saying. I just didn't flesh out my point well enough, I suppose. If they give everyone a choice, then they risk(time wise) being right back where they started. Some might get APP, some DES. There's also the notion - as started earlier:

1. Dessert is cheaper (more money for Mouse)
2. If you do opt to get APP and pay OOP, that's alright (more money for Mouse)
3. Some people, even with just an entree, are full at the end of the meal. No DES served. Yes, that's right... more money for mouse.

Frankly, I would have rather given the Mouse a few more bucks up front and left the plan as designed. The buck per day I will be "saving" this summer is not worth the hassle. Unfortunately, they didn't ask me. :laughing:

[hematite153]

I see what you are saying. I just didn't flesh out my point well enough, I suppose. If they give everyone a choice, then they risk(time wise) being right back where they started. Some might get APP, some DES. There's also the notion - as started earlier:


I do understand your point. Although, I'm not convinced that I've explained myself clearly enough.

I was saying that they could require the choice to be consistent for every table. In other words, we cannot have one person order the appetizer and another order the dessert. Leave it to each family to make a decision about who gets what they want.

I like the idea of giving my dessert away to a neighbouring table that isn't on the plan--I may try that if/when I am unable to get a dessert I can enjoy. (I.e. counteract the "more money for the mouse" idea by preventing someone else from paying for dessert.)

[n2mm]

I just knew it was a matter of time before someone chimed in with one of these ridiculous comments :lmao:

When are you going? Maybe we will see each other - I will be the one with the scowl counting pennies on a bench, I assume you will be the one skipping down Main St USA throwing $100 bills to the crowd?


:rotfl2:

I'll be there right behind you (arrive Jan. 26th). I'll be picking up the pennies in case you drop some.

[MarieA]

My DS (20) and DD (24) are in WDW right now. They are using the dining plan and were told they could not substitute an appetizer for dessert.

[LexPlayer]

I will be ordering the cheapest appetizer on the menu, just to make sure that I get my 3 courses- I don't want my table turning over too quickly...;)

[bicker]

I just knew it was a matter of time before someone chimed in with one of these ridiculous comments :lmao: You see it that way only as a reflection of your own discomfiture, I suppose. However, with respect, note that the problem is with your perspective, not the reality I outlined.

[TruBlu]

So... you can't get a hotdog on a white bun at Casey's anymore BUT you can chase that healthy wheat bun with two cheesecakes a day. :thumbsup2 Nice.

[byoung]

While it would be nice if this were the case, I suspect this is yet another instance of a mis-informed DRC CM. The brochure is still quite clear on this point: entree and dessert for adult diners. It is possible that some places may allow substitutions, but it is not yet formal policy.

I agree, would love the choice though.

[Pumbaa_]

Reminder to play nice folks.

DIS Guidelines (http://www.wdwinfo.com/guidelines.htm)
3. NO FIGHTING/SARCASM: While we'd like to think that a Disney fan site is always lighthearted, there are times when there are disagreements. Let's face it, there are certain topics that can transform any of us into a raging "Donald Duck." When you sense this is happening, we ask that you step away from the discussion before it escalates into a fight. Just like Mom always said about fighting, we don't care who started the argument and we don't want it on the DIS. (Okay, she didn't say the part about the DIS, but you know what we mean.) No attacking others and no sarcasm please. Either will result in an infraction.

[hipchickie]

You see it that way only as a reflection of your own discomfiture, I suppose. However, with respect, note that the problem is with your perspective, not the reality I outlined.

I disagree respectfully :)

[hematite153]

So... you can't get a hotdog on a white bun at Casey's anymore BUT you can chase that healthy wheat bun with two cheesecakes a day. :thumbsup2 Nice.

Exactly!

How do they justify this new policy in terms of their claims that they are making their food healthier?

I think we should all write letters.

[bicker]

Remember, the healthier food initiative doesn't necessarily apply to the Dining Plan specifically, but is a more general objective. And, overall, healthier food choices are available, far more so than were available years ago.

Whether the patron chooses healthier choices is up to the patron.

[TruBlu]

Remember, the healthier food initiative doesn't necessarily apply to the Dining Plan specifically, but is a more general objective. And, overall, healthier food choices are available, far more so than were available years ago.

Whether the patron chooses healthier choices is up to the patron.That's all were asking for - the ability to choose. (Appetizer/dessert, white/wheat, fries/grapes...) It would just be nice to have the option.

[hematite153]

That's all were asking for - the ability to choose. (Appetizer/dessert, white/wheat, fries/grapes...) It would just be nice to have the option.

Yep!

They do let me choose grapes now--although most of the vegetarian CS options don't come with a side anyway.

I prefer wheat to white, so that one doesn't bother me directly, but I find it an odd thing to "forbid".

I'm not a big fan of sugar. Artificial sugars don't solve this because they are still designed to make things SWEET. (Plus, unless the artificial sweetner is Splenda/sucralose, it will make me ill.) Whenever they have cheese plates on the dessert list, I get excited. But, I've yet to be allowed to order it with the DDP.

[hipchickie]

I'm not a big fan of sugar. Artificial sugars don't solve this because they are still designed to make things SWEET. (Plus, unless the artificial sweetner is Splenda/sucralose, it will make me ill.) Whenever they have cheese plates on the dessert list, I get excited. But, I've yet to be allowed to order it with the DDP.

We were allowed to order a cheese plate for dessert in 2006 (Le Cellier I believe). Wouldn't that be a nice option on *all* the menus instead of fake sweeteners/chemicals!

[TDC Nala]

I do understand your point. Although, I'm not convinced that I've explained myself clearly enough.

I was saying that they could require the choice to be consistent for every table. In other words, we cannot have one person order the appetizer and another order the dessert. Leave it to each family to make a decision about who gets what they want.

I like the idea of giving my dessert away to a neighbouring table that isn't on the plan--I may try that if/when I am unable to get a dessert I can enjoy. (I.e. counteract the "more money for the mouse" idea by preventing someone else from paying for dessert.)

Fine, except that not all members of a party can be assumed to be a family. While one could be convinced to give up the dessert for an appetizer to bring about the preference of another family member's desire for the appetizer, it's more difficult to convince someone to do that for a friend of a friend.

It's also assuming that all people in a dining party are on the plan; that all are staying in the same room; and that the server won't have to go to the members of each separate room reservation, determine who is included in it, and whether the diners ON THAT RESERVATION want the appetizer or want the dessert. Besides the time it would take to do that, some could pick the appetizer, and some the dessert, and in terms of time they're right back where they started from, without the extra money coming in from OOP appetizers.

Whenever they have cheese plates on the dessert list, I get excited. But, I've yet to be allowed to order it with the DDP.

I have ordered cheese plates for dessert on DDP at Flying Fish, California Grill and Artist Point.

[hematite153]

We were allowed to order a cheese plate for dessert in 2006 (Le Cellier I believe). Wouldn't that be a nice option on *all* the menus instead of fake sweeteners/chemicals!


I have ordered cheese plates for dessert on DDP at Flying Fish, California Grill and Artist Point.

Oooh...Le Cellier and California Grill are two of the places that told me I couldn't have the cheese plate as my dessert with the DDP. But, now that I know others have I may have to become one of those annoying guests who says, "but a poster on the disboards told me that they were allowed to do so."

Seriously, if there was a cheese plate, fruit option (no sweetners, cake, or ice cream attached to the fruit), or a simple salad available on the dessert list I wouldn't mind the appetizer change. I'm happy to eat my salad at the end of the meal if that makes the restaurants happier.

[bicker]

That's all were asking for - the ability to choose. (Appetizer/dessert, white/wheat, fries/grapes...) It would just be nice to have the option.However, you're asking for choices that increase the effective, average cost without increasing the price. Remember, earlier it was discussed in detail why Disney likely saves money by offering dessert instead of appetizers (i.e., people are more likely to skip dessert).

So your choice should be between chocolate cake and melon, and I heartily support your interest in having that choice. In my experience, most full-service restaurants at WDW will have a healthier choice available for dessert.

[DCDisney]

e, fruit option (no sweetners, cake, or ice cream attached to the fruit), Every TS place with a kids menu offers fruit salad as a dessert option. It's just fruit no sugar, sauce, ice cream, etc. Adults can order the kids dessert with no problem.

[hematite153]

Every TS place with a kids menu offers fruit salad as a dessert option. It's just fruit no sugar, sauce, ice cream, etc. Adults can order the kids dessert with no problem.

The one time I tried to order this it was in a very sugary sauce/syrup. There are also many reports of people being refused kids items for their 10 year olds (even when they were clear that they were going to use the adult credit to pay for the, much cheaper, child's item) so I'm not sure that it is universally true that you can get the kids dessert at a TS meal.

However, I did once successfully get plain berries when there was a dessert on the menu described as "topped with berries"

[Brian Noble]

I think we should all write letters.
Unless those letters are accompanied by a firm resolve to stop eating in Disney restaurants, they are likely to be placed directly in the, ahem, circular file.

[TruBlu]

However, you're asking for choices that increase the effective, average cost without increasing the price. Remember, earlier it was discussed in detail why Disney likely saves money by offering dessert instead of appetizers (i.e., people are more likely to skip dessert).

So your choice should be between chocolate cake and melon, and I heartily support your interest in having that choice. In my experience, most full-service restaurants at WDW will have a healthier choice available for dessert.Good point, but you can't blame a girl for wishing. :goodvibes

[mariaJ.]

Oh, I love the idea of ordering the dessert and giving it to another table!:hippie:

I still might cancel the plan for our Feb 2 trip, especially if I can cancel without the $50 fee, whadya think are the chances of THAT?!:lmao:

[Pumbaa_]

I would be surprised if you are allowed to 'share' your dessert with other tables. The DDP specifically does not allow sharing with others not on the plan.

I know if we had a choice of appy or dessert, we would order one of each. Which is exactly why they didn't make that an option, IMHO.

[hipchickie]

I would be surprised if you are allowed to 'share' your dessert with other tables. The DDP specifically does not allow sharing with others not on the plan.

Maybe I will get it packaged to go and just forget it.....on thier table

[CharmedLife]

I would be surprised if you are allowed to 'share' your dessert with other tables. The DDP specifically does not allow sharing with others not on the plan.

This may be slightly OT, but does this mean that if my mom and dad are eating with us, and we're on the plan but they're not (we're staying DVC, they're not), that we can't share food with each other? I knew that credits were non-transferrable, but you can't share the FOOD either?

As I haven't booked the DDP yet, I'm just going back and forth on whether or not to do it. This could make my decision for me, I don't want to get yelled at for sharing food with my mom! :rolleyes:

ETA: Just to clarify, it's not that my parents wouldn't be ordering their own food. We just like to order different things and then sample each others' food.

[bicker]

Generally, once a dessert is delivered to the table, it can be eaten by whomever is sitting at the table, unless it is an AYCE item (like a bottomless milkshake).

[TruBlu]

Generally, once a dessert is delivered to the table, it can be eaten by whomever is sitting at the table, unless it is an AYCE item (like a bottomless milkshake).Is sharing an AYCE item OK if you don't get a refill? (My boys and I usually share the milkshake, but we would never ask for a refill.):confused3

[bicker]

Ask your server.

[Belle1962]

FYI: at Teppan Edo I orded my dessert "to go" so it came out boxed up. I then just handed it to the other party.

[tripplanner2]

Anyone think the changes were part of the master plan? When they first introduced the program, they let it go really cheap so customers would take it as a no brainer. Now, we are used to it and have a hard time vacationing without it. I was able to get a great room rate with the 40% off code. In the past I would have bought food OOP but last year we had free dining for half of our trip and paid OOP for the first half. We hated not being on the dining plan and even DH said he would rather pay for DDP than be without it. This year I priced it out with our room rate and feel it is really expensive but at the same time at least I know what our expenses will be. There will be no surprises at the end of our trip. I also agree that they got rid of the apps to cut down on table time.

[bicker]

It always makes sense to introduce new services at a lower price than what you'll charge once the service is well-established.

[TruBlu]

Anyone think the changes were part of the master plan? When they first introduced the program, they let it go really cheap so customers would take it as a no brainer. Now, we are used to it and have a hard time vacationing without it.It's kind of like a drug dealer - only with Mickey bars instead!:rotfl: