Does this make any sense??

[roymccoy]

We just went to DL to get my three year old her first annual pass. I was told that there is NOT a different price for a kids annual pass as opposed to an adult pass. Ages 3 to 93 pay the same price for annual passes. When I asked why they did this, I was told that the decision was made that kids use the park just as much as adults. I told them that I thought that there should be a different annual pass rate for kids because they can't ride all the rides or use all of the facilities. They told me that this wasn't true, Disney feels that kids use the park just as much as adults over the year. I asked "How come you have a single day $33 ticket for kids 3-11 if the kids use the parks just as much as adults?" I was told that this is just the way it is. I think that this is unfair and is just a way to gouge us a little more. I don't see why kids one day tickets are cheaper (significantly) but kids passes are not.

Roy

[year2late]

The Premium pass at $199 and consider it a great deal! No blackout days, great discounts, park hopping, free parking. We made out with the discounts!

The Deluxe pass is $149 with some blackouts is a good deal as well.

I believe the Southern Ca pass is $99 but has many blackout days.

http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneylandresort/ResortInfo/Tickets/index?id=6073&Grouping=TG

Any of these deals is great for either an adult or child.

I see it as they are offering us adults child rates.

[year2late]

By the way, did you buy it?

[Mary Jo]

<font color=navy>I feel that if you use the pass more times than you would pay to take your child, then it's worth the price. If you don't then maybe you are paying too much.

We've been to DL 6 times already this year (wait, make that 8 since we were there Fri-Sat-Sun this past weekend), and I bought the Deluxe passes for my kids. Even if I paid the $33/visit, we have already gone at least four more times than what eight passes would have cost. We plan on going many more times, so I consider these passes to be very cost effective for what Disney offers.

I've been to neighborhood/school/church carnivals, and have paid just as much for my kids there as I have paid at the Disney parks, and there is no comparison.

I can understand your point, Roy, but my opinion is we're getting a bargain for the kids as well as ourselves. I got mine the deluxe, and I got a premium for myself, since I'm the one who needs the parking and discounts.

[darner]

I also wonder if you bought it, my bet is YES, given all your other posts and life-long love of Disney... It's a steal before March 15th... (2 park hopper for price of one, isn't that enough of a discount for you?)

Also, you've reported DLR has been rubbing you the wrong way lately and losing it's magic... I hope your little one still sees all that DLR has to offer in a positive light and not influenced by disappointments you're seeing... DLR is now his/her park... you'll always have DL from years ago, but CA, DD will always be what your little one remembers once DLR expands and adds a water park plus what ever else is up their sleeve years from now...

darner
-DVC member

[roymccoy]

they charge the same for passes, but less for tickets. It doesn't make any sense to me. I'm glad it makes sense to those who replied! Maybe it's just me...I'm kind of weird about paying the same price for my 3 year old who can't go on half the rides...I'm just wondering why Disney's policy changes from day tickets to annual pass. Why do they understand, on one hand, that children under 11 don't have to pay full price to get in the park because they can't use it all but, on the other hand, charge an adults price for passes when they STILL can't use all of the park? Sounds like gouging to me.

Roy

P.S. Yes I bought her a pass. She hates staying home alone.

[Mortimer Mouse]

Put me in the middle but i understand what eveybody just said:bounce:

P.s. anyone seen Goofster57 or Moliki Gram or Rajah latley? They use to be here regularly and i miss there posts.

[year2late]

Did you buy her a pass because it was a great deal?

Like I said with the prices they are charging, we shouldn't be asking 'why isn't the child's pass less' we should be asking 'why isn't the adult's pass more?'

After all, $199 for a top of the line park hopper/no restrictions/free parking/great discounts is a great deal. $99 could get you a SO Ca resident pass (also park hopper) if you can stand all the blackout days.

[Mary Jo]

<font color=navy>I could see how Disney would charge less for a one-day pass. The little ones wouldn't go on as many attractions, etc., and the family would only be there for one day. However, to go to both parks for an entire year gives the family plenty of opportunity to enjoy everything that the parks have to offer, even if the little ones cannot go on all of the attractions. So, in that sense, I still think we get a good deal.

[roymccoy]

I didn't buy her a pass because it was a great deal. I bought her a pass because our passes would be useless if we couldn't take her. I'm not arguing if the passes are a good deal or not, I'm saying that Disney can't have it both ways. Either kids cost the same as adults for ALL tickets or they cost less. The person I talked to about it at admissions was talking out of both sides of her mouth. On one hand, she was defending the cost of a pass by saying that kids can enjoy Disney all year and that "You'll be surprised at how much the little ones can ride at Disney". On the other hand, she defended Disney's child price ticket ($10 off adult) by saying that it was a "little break for parents because the kids can't go on everything." Well, what is it? Where's the "little break for parents" on the annual passes? My three year old can't go on half the rides at Disneyland. It's not like I have to defend my position on this by looking at other theme parks or other businesses policies about kid prices, Disney HAS a lower price ticket for kids. They charge 25% less for a kids one day ticket as opposed to an adult ticket. They understand. They're not stupid. They want more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Surprise Surprise.

Roy

[Tigger&Belle]

At WDW an annual pass for children is less than for adults. Before we bought our WDW passes we did the math and figured that it would be worth it to get the passes. We could have bought one adult pass (in order to get the hotel discounts) and then bought hoppers for the kids and extra adult if that had of been cheaper.

We haven't been to DL since my 2nd child was 3yo (he's now 11), but at that time he could ride on most rides. I'm sure that Disney doesn't have a problem selling the one-price annual pass and since they don't, why should they discount it? It is a business afterall.

[year2late]

Originally posted by roymccoy
I didn't buy her a pass because it was a great deal. I bought her a pass because our passes would be useless if we couldn't take her.

Sure you could take her. By her a single child's ticket.

The point is that the deal is PHENOMENAL for an adult OR child (if they are repeat DL/DCA offenders). Would you prefer they raise the rate of the adult's AP just to make it look like the child's was cheaper? You can't have it both ways.

[roymccoy]

year2late. I doesn't matter if you think that the current AP rates are phenomenal, that's not the point. The point is, how can Disney
justify a 25% discount on a one-day childs pass and none on an annual pass? Their reasoning behind the 25% discount on the one day pass is that kids can't do as much at DL so they get a break on the price. Why don't they carry that reasoning over to the annual
passes?? Can kids somehow mysteriously ride more rides and use more of the park with an AP as opposed to a one day pass?? Anyway, the point is moot. Disney ALREADY charges less for child's annual passes at WDW so, they are just being hypocritical and greedy at DL. The policy is wrong and it should be changed. IMHO

Roy

[year2late]

Originally posted by roymccoy
year2late. I doesn't matter if you think that the current AP rates are phenomenal, that's not the point.

It does matter. The rates are better than ever before - would I like my childs pass to be 25% less? Heck yeh! But I don't think it is Disney that is being greedy.:D


There are options out there - just don't buy the pass!

[raidermatt]

Its only gouging if you don't have a choice or are not aware of it. Clearly neither applies in this case.

Your question is valid, but no more valid than asking the opposite: "Why does Disney discount a single day ticket for kids when they don't discount the AP".

Sure there's some inconsistency, but they could choose to eliminate children's discounts altogether.

Logically, they are saying we think that if you buy the AP for kids, the kids will make more than six trips, so it's a good deal for you. And of course, you must agree that its a good deal. If not, you would just purchase single day tickets for your child.

[WDW2002]

Though I agree that the one price AP is an excellent deal, and is paid for in less then 4 visits for adults and 5 for kids for the deluxe. I just wish I lived closer....

However I agree with Roy on this one :eek: :confused: :eek: :confused: I do not think disney is charging one price to be greedy but I do not understand why they do charge only one price when virtually everything else is divided into children (9 & under) and adults (10 and up). So why not for the AP??

[raidermatt]

I do not think disney is charging one price to be greedy but I do not understand why they do charge only one price when virtually everything else is divided into children (9 & under) and adults (10 and up). So why not for the AP??

Its what they believe the market will bear. If they are selling the children's APs for the same amount and people are buying them because its still a good bargain, there is no reason for them to lower the price. Its the same idea as with the adult APs. If they thought they could raise the price without hurting themselves financially they would do it. Just as any good business would. They don't offer single-day discounts for children because they think its fair, its because the public wants those discounts or they will go somewhere else. If families were balking at the APs because the kids didn't get a discount, they'd start discounting the children's APs.

WDW does offer a children's discount for APs, but its a different market with a different product. WDW APs are much more expensive because there are more parks and things to do.

[roymccoy]

that DCA at $43 was what the market would bear, and that ended up being a bad business decision. Now they are having to almost give the tickets away to get people in the park. They actually did a good thing by offering a lower priced AP for both parks. It was a decision that I applauded and one that I thought may be signaling a sense of reality with what's going on at the parks, especially DCA. Then I go to buy one and here it comes again...another wrench in the works. They want to sell more AP's so they lower the price. Then, they don't offer a child's AP. WDW does. DL used to...but some very intelligent person decides to kill the whole thing by getting greedy again. Do you realize how many MORE AP's they would have sold if there was a child's price for an AP? As it stands now, people with kids aren't going to be able to afford passes for each one of their kids. When you've got 2,3 and 4 kids...it gets expensive! And if you think about it, Disney is trying to get their parents in the parks anyway, so they can buy food and merchandise. The AP's shouldn't be the money maker in this...it should be the families coming and spending their $$ on food and merchandise. It's just another example of being penny wise and pound foolish.

IMHO

Roy

P.S. WDW2002...I was just as surprised as you!! ;-)

[WDW2002]

Originally posted by roymccoy

P.S. WDW2002...I was just as surprised as you!! ;-)

I guess miracles do happen. ;)

[raidermatt]

Disney thought...

that DCA at $43 was what the market would bear, and that ended up
being a bad business decision. Now they are having to almost give
the tickets away to get people in the park.

Roy, you are answering your own question. If it turns out to be a bad decision, or they feel they can make a better one, they will. Yes, they make mistakes, and if they priced something wrong, they have to do something about it. The same will apply to APs.



Do you realize how many MORE AP's they would have sold if there was a child's price for an AP?

No, I don't, and nether do you. The only info we have is what you decided to do, and you bought the pass! (All that while proclaiming DCA to be a shell of a park, and advising everyone to stay away from DL, but that's another story...). Apparently they feel that most families will make the same decision you did, which is to buy the pass. If they're wrong, you'll see a change. If they are right, you won't.

It's just another example of being penny wise and pound foolish.

Only if there are ENOUGH families who make a decision different than you did. If they only charged $140 for the kids AP, they would have lost $59 on your purchase. Regardless, as your DCA example proves, they will correct any pricing mistakes they made, if they did in fact make any.

[roymccoy]

I hold the firm position that satan loves to cut and paste.

Roy

[roymccoy]

I decided (after MUCH debate) to buy my 3 year old a pass for two reasons:

1) My wife and I renewed in December of 2001 and without my daughter having a pass, ours would be useless.

2) We only have one child so our pain was minimized.

I am talking especially about families with 2,3,4 or more kids. Are they going to be able to afford passes for
the whole family? I am assuming that Disney sells a discounted child's one day pass to get parents to bring their families to the park. Also, it could be argued that they give a discount because three year olds don't use very much of the park or as much of the park as their adult parents. Hey, I don't need to convince Disney to have a lower price point for child's AP's...they already do it at WDW. I'm just looking for a little consistency. Also, I DO think that Disney has shot themselves in the foot by not having a child's AP
rate. The whole reason for the 2-park pass is to try to get families to come and they have priced out a lot of families. You watch, they'll change their minds when they finally figure out the problem. I'm just saying that the mistake didn't have to be made in the first place.

Roy

[WDW2002]

Originally posted by roymccoy
am talking especially about families with 2,3,4 or more kids. Are they going to be able to afford passes for the whole family?

I honestly do not think the $25 (15% just like WDW) per AP is going to keep many families from purchasing AP's. I know for me it wouldn't.

[Mary Jo]

<font color=navy>As a single mom of two kids, who are my dependents, whether they are 3 or 13, yes, if it's important enough to our family to save for a year's entertainment, then we'll pay for the AP.

[year2late]

I may not be Satan with my cut and paste, but I am certainly bound for Hell on a bus.

Originally posted by roymccoy
1) My wife and I renewed in December of 2001 and without my daughter having a pass, ours would be useless.

It would not be useless, you could buy her a single day ticket....yes......at the child's discount rate.

[roymccoy]

but is it FAIR to pay the same for a 3 year old as opposed to an adult. Is it fair for there to be a discount for a children's AP at WDW but not here? Is it fair to pay less for a child's ticket but more for an AP? Why does Disney think that children who are there for one day use less of the park and deserve a 25% discount but somehow a 3 year old with an AP uses as much of the park as an adult. It's not fair...and they'll end up changing the policy. This is the same idiocy that was going on when they screwed up the AP's for DCA and DL. Remember? They got rid of the DL AP altogether. They had no 2-park hopper pass and you couldn't add DCA on to your existing AP. That was a fiasco and now they're having to take deep cuts in prices just to lure us back when the problem was seen by almost everybody BUT Disney at the time. They should have a stable, fair policy with fair prices from the beginning. DCA isn't worth $43 so don't charge $43. Child AP's should be at the same discount rate as tickets are. If Disney would get a fair and equitable ticket pricing structure going, then they wouldn't have to keep making all of these concessions (free tickets, $33 tickets, etc.) later on.

I'm not going to pay the same price for 1/2 pound of butter as I do for a pound of butter. That's what they are asking us to do. Pay the same for less.

Roy

[roymccoy]

buy her a single day ticket every time we went to DL? Obviously, we are stuck with an AP but it's still not fair.

Roy

P.S. Hell on a Bus...that would be a great replacement for Superstar Limo! (wouldn't have to make any changes!)

[year2late]

Originally posted by roymccoy
but is it FAIR to pay the same for a 3 year old as opposed to an adult. Is it fair for there to be a discount for a children's AP at WDW but not here? Is it fair to pay less for a child's ticket but more for an AP ?

Yes. It is fair. It is a consumer thing. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Would I like the child's to be less? Yup! Yesireebob! Did I buy the premium hopper pass for my child(who buy the way, only rides a few select rides)? Yes. Why? Because a great deal!!!!!!

[raidermatt]

I hold the firm position that satan loves to cut and paste.

Alright.

As year2late said, its not about "fairness". You, as the entertainment consumer, have the right to purchase your entertainment as you see fit. Disney, just like any other entertainment provider, has the right to charge whatever it wants.

Its only been a year since DLResort went from just a park to an actual resort. It does not have the scope of WDW, nor are the demographics of its guests the same. So it follows that there MAY be a need to price things differently. (Just look at single day tickets, $43 in Anaheim, $48 in Orlando)

If Disney would get a fair and equitable ticket pricing structure going, then they wouldn't have to keep making all of these concessions (free tickets, $33 tickets, etc.) later on.

So if they charged $33 from the beginning, they wouldn't have to charge $33 later?:confused:

Roy, its clear that you value what Disney is offering right now much lower than 99% of those who go there. Do you honestly think Disney should price their tickets based on what you declare is "fair"? And even with your disgust (shell of a park, stay away from DL), you bought the tickets. If you're willing to pay for the APs, then surely all of the families that are actually happy with Disney will still buy them. Given that, the only idiotic thing Disney could do would be to lower the APs more, even though their customers are willing to pay more.

[Thumper1]

Being an adult (a kid at heart though) I don't ride Dumbo or the Teacups or most of the Fantasyland rides, but I do spend a lot of time in Tomorrowland. I think I've seen a lot of kids in Fantasyland. So it might be possible that kids do ride as much, just different rides.

[Tigger&Belle]

To quote the first line af a speech that was (if what I heard was accurate) made by Bill Gates to a high school class in Visalia, CA: "Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it." It's a great speech, by the way.

I tell my kids all the time that life is not fair and if they want fair they should go to the fairgrounds. Just a corny mom's line.

Bottom line is that Disney thinks that they can get the same price for the passes. If they are wrong and there is a decrease in sales then they might change their mind. It's a business decision. Maybe if more people DIDN'T buy the pass for young children they would change their mind quicker.

I assume that you guestimated how many times your daughter would use her pass during the year and figured out that it was a better deal for your family to get her the pass. Otherwise you would have bought daily tickets.

Does Disney charge less for a person in a wheelchair? They might not be able to ride as many rides. I've been to WDW several times this year with a toddler and I wasn't able to do as many things as I would have liked because he was unable to sit through shows and wasn't big enough for some rides. They didn't charge me less. The baby swap was wonderful, but of course I didn't get to do the quantity of rides that I otherwise could have done. Of course I don't expect reduced rates in my situation, but I (and a lot of other people) could make the argument.

I'm afraid if Disney decides that the passes shouldn't cost the same that they will simply increase the cost of the adult passes. That would hurt a lot of families more than the current situation.

[year2late]

Nicely said T & B.

My feeling also was that if DLR wanted to have different priced passes they would have lessend the discount for the adult rather than deepend the discount for the child. As it is $199/premium and $149/Deluxe are great prices for either adult or child.

Our two local theme parks do not stagger their season pass prices as well.

If the passes do not sell, Disney well rethink matters.

[roymccoy]

at how much BS people will put up with from Disney. I just got caught up on this thread and it blows me away at how much "spinning" that some of you will do for Disney. The AP pricing structure is unfair...period. They have lower Child AP prices at WDW and a 25% discount on childrens one day passes at all of their parks. So now your argument is that "life isn't fair?" Didn't Hitler try to make that argument? That's Disney's new line?..."Come to Disneyland and pay full price for a kid...Life's Not Fair!!" I don't have a problem with a company making a profit...I have a problem with inconsistant pricing policies. Just like I think that it is unfair to offer drink refills at some locations in DL and DCA, but not all locations even though the drinks all cost $2.19. I don't care how you try to rationalize it...it's unfair. I ALSO don't understand WHY you'd want to rationalize it. If it's unfair, it's unfair. I disagree with Mr. Gates....life IS fair. All actions have an equal and opposite reaction. Simple physics. If Disney has an unfair AP policy, people will react by not buying as many AP's. At some board meeting along the way, someone will ask "How can we get more families to come to DL and DCA?" and the policy will be changed. Lately it seems that Disney is not innovating, they're plugging leaks and patching holes. I'm merely trying to point out that these errors in judgement are easy to see from inception and that Disney is thinking a little too "greedy."

The child's AP price at DLR is unfair. It will backfire on Disney. No amount of spin can change it.

Roy

[year2late]

It is not spin, Roy. My family and I are Premium Season Pass Holders and we are thrilled at the AP rates. I might suggest that your insinuation that we are putting a spin on it for the sake of Disney is your own brand of spin.

We bought our Premium APs and between what we normally would have paid for park hopper tickets and the discounts, the AP paid for itself on the first trip. Seeing as we plan to go back down at least 2 more times (3-4 days stints) we will be making out like crazy. When Disney dropped its AP prices they could have chosen to drop the Premium AP adult to $225 and the Child's to $199 - would that have satisfied you? I would have bought it at that price as well.

Comparing Disneys practices to the atrocities that Hitler was responsible is sick and twisted. I am begining to think you work for Universal.

I refuse to feel guilty because I am very happy with the pricing structure, the parks and the customer service. Is there room for improvement? Yup. But there has been room for improvement since the original park opened.

Like I have stated before, their policies are fair. Even if they charged $5 for a coffee at DL and $1 at DCA - it is fair. We are consumers, not hostages. We either buy (consume) or not, it is our choice. Fairness and Nazi Germany do not enter into the picture.

[Tink33]

Sure it makes cents Roy...oh that type of sense . ;)

[benebire]

roy,

are you one of the cup is half empty kind of people, it sures seems that way. You seem angry that some of us still love Disney despite the shortcomings. could they improve? yes of course but what company/person is perfect? I respect yr right to yr opinion and hope you will do the same for the rest of us.

[roymccoy]

by my guns on this one. Not having a child's AP rate when there is a child's rate for EVERYTHING else at every Disney park is not fair. It's gouging, IMHO.

Now, as Forrest Gump so eloquently put it, "that's all I have to say about that."

Roy Roy Gump

[year2late]

I stand by my guns as well. you are a consumer, not a hostage. Don't consume.

[Tigger&Belle]

That's right, year2late, don't consume and then complain. Roy, if you hadn't of bought that pass for your daughter then you would have been taking a stand. Of course you bought it because you knew that it was financially better than the one day passes. Your choice.

Better to voice displeasure with Disney directly. I did that before a recent trip to WDW. I wasn't happy because they discontinued early opening for onsire guests. I showed my unhappiness be staying offsite since that was my main reason for staying onsite. Then I went down there and had a blast! I let Disney know of my complaint and didn't let that ruin my vacation.

I cetainly don't spin for Disney. We all are just giving our opinion. I assumed that is why you posted this topic on the discussion board. Or you could have stated that only those that agreed with you 100% should reply. The funny thing is that I do agree with you somewhat and am glad that WDW discounts their children's passes.

Life is clearly not fair if you look at all the crazy and sad things that happen to people who do not deserve it. And what in the heck does Hitler have to do with anything? We're talking theme parks, not mass killing.

But year2late, watch any Universal comments. We happen to love Universal! :D

T&B

[year2late]

Universal is great! I wholeheartedly agree.

I love both, but my heart is with DLR.

[raidermatt]

The AP pricing structure is unfair...period.

No its not. Period. If you don't like it, you don't buy it. That's fair. There is no spin, no BS. You have a choice in how you spend your family's entertainment dollars, and you made your choice.

Didn't Hitler try to make that argument? That's Disney's new line?..."Come to Disneyland and pay full price for a kid...Life's Not Fair!!"

Forgetting how distasteful the Hitler comment was...

Full price is $43 per day. Neither you nor your daughter are paying that. You all have unlimited admission to two parks, one of which you hate and the other you advise nobody visit, for $199 each. Its a great deal and you know it, which is why you purchased the APs. If it wasn't a great deal, you'd have bought just the adult APs and single day tix for your daughter.

Once again, you are asking people to agree with you on something that your own actions disagree with. Its a free country and you can do whatever you want, but you shouldn't be surprised when you are called on it.

[roymccoy]

a discounted AP for children at WDW. Disney has a discounted price for children tickets at DL, DCA, DL Paris, etc. They even have discounted child tickets to most of their shows. It's unfair to have a 25% discount for children on a one-day pass to DL/DCA and have no discount for an AP to the same parks. WDW has a child's AP and DL used to have a discount for a child's AP but now they are the same price. Doesn't make any sense and it is not fair. Why does Disney charge less for a one day child's pass? Well, when I called them they told me "because kids can't utilize everything in the park and we want to give the parents a little break." Well, carry their own explanation over to AP's. Why are kids all of the sudden the same as adults? Their pricing structure isn't fair.

Roy Roy Gump

[raidermatt]

Once again, by your definition, there are three ways to make the pricing structure "fair".

1- Do what you suggest and lower child's AP.
2- Raise adult AP, leave child's at $199.
3- Eliminate all other children's discounts, such as single day child's discount

All would be "fair" by your definition, but would you be happy with #'s 2 or 3?

Disney offers children's discounts for business reasons, not out of fairness. So where they offer them and where they don't is also a business decision.

Certainly you've seen discounts for various items from various companies that say "Cannot be combined with any other discounts or promotions". Isn't this the same thing? An AP is already a discounted ticket. It's a very common business practice to not allow further discounts. They CAN if they want to, but fairness is not the reason. WDW probably does it because their APs cost more. Its more difficult to convince someone to spend $400 per child than $200. Even though there is more to do at WDW, $400 is still a bigger chunk out of a budget than $200.

Another example is a movie theatre. Why do they charge less for matinee's than they do for evening shows? It's the same movie. For that matter, why do they charge less for a child? The child takes up the same number of seats as the adult does, and sees the same movie. (Hint- both are Business Decisions, not fairness)

[roymccoy]

and the lady in admissions said that they have received MANY comments and complaints about there not being a child's price for annual pass when there is a child's price for everything else that Disney does. I registered my feelings on the matter with her and she said that she would pass them along. She said that it "obviously hadn't been thought through too well because it didn't seem right to her either." She thinks maybe it was an oversight. She said that they had similar problems when they first introduced the DL/DCA AP. That makes me feel a little better. At least they are getting some calls about it and even the employees can see the inconsistency. We'll see.....

Roy

P.S. I asked if I would get a refund of some sort IF they did implement some sort of child's AP and she said that
"she didn't know for sure but it has been done before with other AP changes."

[year2late]

An oversight, that is funny! Of course it was not! That statement alone leads me to believe she was 'handling' you.

Calling and writing to Disney is productive to a point.

I think that in the end, Disney will make a financial decision - were people (adults and children) buying them at a sufficient rate? If they were not buying them at sufficient rates Disney will make other decisions.

[Floydian]

1) Express your concerns to Disney in the hopes that somehow, someone there will think it's something that needs to be looked at, which you've already done.

2) In many ways, it is a business decision, and whether one person likes it or not isn't going to have a tremendous impact. If they are selling things at a whatever their "target rate" might be, then why change it? If they're selling things faster than expected, I'd expect to see a price increase. If they're selling them slower than they wanted, then I'd expect to see some kind of discount. That's just the business side of hings, and MAY be what the thinking is of the executives there, whether you or I disagree with it or not.

3) By the way, I don't like the policy either. I think it's inequitable, and seems to go against every other pricing policy they have in effect. Thus, one can only hope that some kind of change will be made to "fix" the problem. One thing that also has to be considered by those same execs (assuming they're paying attention) is any possible "image problems" that might arise from this situation. Maybe they're selling tickets just fine. Maybe they don't really care if someone doesn't like the pricing structure, especially when that person buys the product anyway, despite their disaproval. But, if that person voices an opinion, and others voice the same opinion, and a number of people begin to agree that something isn't right, even if they are generally fine with the actual costs and value, then the execs might see a possible public relations problem brewing, and make a change JUST to protect an already tarnished image.

4) How would it be done? It seems that almost everyone with experience agrees that paying $199 for the childs AP is a good value, and i seems that they are not exactly having problems selling those. So, why should they lower the price on them? It also seems that those same people feel that the $199 for the adult AP is a TREMENDOUS value, and hint that they'd be willing to pay more if they had to, because it is such a great value. Well, if I were a Disney Exec. and had to do something with all of this information, there would be only one decision for me.

Beginning June 1, 2002 (or whenever "seasonal rates" go up), the new price for an Adult Premium AP will increase to $249. Thank you and have a nice day.

I agree that the lack of different pricing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I agree that they seem to have made a mistake when changing the prices and hving adults and kids costing the same. But I also see only one solution, andmy guess would be that adult prces would go up. I'm not sure if you want that or not. But it would at least satisfy this particular complaint. ;)

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Originally posted by Floydian
I agree that the lack of different pricing makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I agree that they seem to have made a mistake when changing the prices and hving adults and kids costing the same. But I also see only one solution, andmy guess would be that adult prces would go up. I'm not sure if you want that or not. But it would at least satisfy this particular complaint. ;)

Which is why I was satisfied when Disney gave us a good thing. Greed backfires on ya sometimes.