CA DVC first dibs not really fair for old timers who live in CA

[disneydawn6]

I live in Nothern CA and bought DVC back in 2001 before there was a DVC in CA. My guide is in FL. While I was at Disneyland last week, I visited the DVC there. I was thinking of switching my guide to a CA one since I am only 400 miles from Disneyland. and 3000 from WDW. Anyway when I was there the guide in CA told me that people who bought out in CA would get the first priority on buying at the Grand Calif 50 units. Now this is a small amount of units and I'm sure they will go fast. I do not think it's fair since I live in CA that I can not get some sort of priority too. DVC was not at CA when I bought in. If it was I certainly would have bought in CA since that it where I live. But since I bought before they opened DVC, I will not even get a change to buy until people who bought later in CA get their chance.

Do you think that is fair????

[Deb & Bill]

When we were at DL last year, I talked to a Guide who told me a few wrong things as well.

Did you plan to do an add on or an entirely new contract?

[disneydawn6]

I just want to add on...

[MikeChan408]

Anyone know a direct number to get to california DVC?

[robinb]

Do you think that is fair????
No, I don't think it's fair to give priority to people who bought in a certain state or who live in a certain state. I don't believe that you should have a priority either just because you live in California.

If it makes you feel better I think that there will be plenty of points for you to buy at the Grand Californian as long as you purchase in the first few weeks that the points are available to the rest of us.

[wdw4life]

When we were at DL last year, I talked to a Guide who told me a few wrong things as well.

This is absolutely true. I have had it confirmed by two different DVC staff high in management and my guide in Florida confirmed it with management yesterday.

In answer to the OP's question no I do not think it is fair. The reason I was given that they are doing this is stupid. I bought in '03, almost two years before DVC even had a sales staff at DLR. So why am I, or anyone else, being penalized because we were unable to purchase our original master contract at DLR? At least DVC is not tying up all GCV points in the Founding Members program. There will be points available for the rest of us to buy even if every Founding Member added on the 160 points they have been guaranteed.

[WebmasterDoc]

This may be because CA is the only state where DVC is currently registered to sell at that resort. Once other states have approved sales to their residents for the GCV resort you will be bale to purchase by simply calling your guide, but until that time sales are only open to those who buy in person at DL.

Stay Tuned!

[drusba]

From OPs post, that doesn't sound like the reason. They are apparently giving preference to those who purchase at Disneyland, regardless of which state they come from, and the OP, who actually lives in California is not getting such preference because he bought through a Florida sales rep. If California was the only registered state he should still be able to purchase by calling a California guide if the true reason was that registration exists only in California. They are just setting a rule to sell only at DLR when it begins.

I would guess the real reason is that they want this to be DLR not just a DVC promo at the start and they want to see early how well they do selling on-site property to people who are on the site when they buy.

I personally don't believe it is going to be much of an issue as they will have plenty to sell after the intial promo.

[WebmasterDoc]

From OPs post, that doesn't sound like the reason. They are apparently giving preference to those who purchase at Disneyland, regardless of which state they come from, and the OP, who actually lives in California is not getting such preference because he bought through a Florida sales rep. If California was the only registered state he should still be able to purchase by calling a California guide if the true reason was that registration exists only in California. They are just setting a rule to sell only at DLR when it begins.
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If DVC is only registered to sell in CA, perhaps buyers cannot purchase thru their FL guide. Onsite at DL is the only way these early buyers are able to purchase. It would seem that no one is able to purchase from WDW at this time and only those physically at DL can purchase.

If there are other legal ramifications, please feel free to clarify.

[ACDSNY]

I'm not happy with this either; however, I think there will be enough points that we'll still get to add-on at GC. If we miss out I'll be one unhappy camper! I've been waiting for DVC at DL for many years.

[castleri]

If DVC is only registered to sell in CA, perhaps buyers cannot purchase thru their FL guide. Onsite at DL is the only way these early buyers are able to purchase. It would seem that no one is able to purchase from WDW at this time and only those physically at DL can purchase.

If there are other legal ramifications, please feel free to clarify.


From The DVC website about GCV:
This time-share plan has been preliminarily registered only in Florida, California and Illinois, but is not yet being offered for sale. This will not be an offer in, and will be void in, any jurisdiction which requires prior registration and in which the time-share plan is not registered

I remember reading recently that it will be offered first to those who purchased their master contract at DL. I may have been wrong but got the idea that small add ons were not part of this original offer. It sounded to me as if it would be 160 points or nothing so I think there will be points available after the initial promotion to those who purchased at DL. I can't remember where I read the info though so probably also misinterpreted what they meant.

[nunzia]

From The DVC website about GCV:
This time-share plan has been preliminarily registered only in Florida, California and Illinois, but is not yet being offered for sale. This will not be an offer in, and will be void in, any jurisdiction which requires prior registration and in which the time-share plan is not registered

I remember reading recently that it will be offered first to those who purchased their master contract at DL. I may have been wrong but got the idea that small add ons were not part of this original offer. It sounded to me as if it would be 160 points or nothing so I think there will be points available after the initial promotion to those who purchased at DL. I can't remember where I read the info though so probably also misinterpreted what they meant.

Really? Well, Heck..I don't want and can't really afford 160 points at DGC

[WebmasterDoc]

From The DVC website about GCV:
This time-share plan has been preliminarily registered only in Florida, California and Illinois, but is not yet being offered for sale. This will not be an offer in, and will be void in, any jurisdiction which requires prior registration and in which the time-share plan is not registered

I remember reading recently that it will be offered first to those who purchased their master contract at DL. I may have been wrong but got the idea that small add ons were not part of this original offer. It sounded to me as if it would be 160 points or nothing so I think there will be points available after the initial promotion to those who purchased at DL. I can't remember where I read the info though so probably also misinterpreted what they meant.


Thanks for that information.

I would appear that the "DL only" policy is by design then. Once they have given the initial opportunity to DL buyers then others may be able to purchase add-ons at GCV. I'd be surprised if that opportunity was not available - but until that is the case it would seem that buying while at DL is the only option.

[wdw4life]

From The DVC website about GCV:
This time-share plan has been preliminarily registered only in Florida, California and Illinois, but is not yet being offered for sale. This will not be an offer in, and will be void in, any jurisdiction which requires prior registration and in which the time-share plan is not registered

I remember reading recently that it will be offered first to those who purchased their master contract at DL. I may have been wrong but got the idea that small add ons were not part of this original offer. It sounded to me as if it would be 160 points or nothing so I think there will be points available after the initial promotion to those who purchased at DL. I can't remember where I read the info though so probably also misinterpreted what they meant.

I thought is was odd that the only other state GCV was registered to sell in, other than CA and FL, was IL. Now I realize it's because of the new sales center there.

It is my understanding Founding Members can add on any amount they choose. The 160 points is just what they have been guaranteed will be available to them for an add on if they want that many. I don't know if there are any restrictions should they choose to add on more than the 160.

[castleri]

Found the following on another thread but couldn't figure out how to post a link so will just post the part I copied. The part about the 160 points could mean either of the intrepretations mentioned already.

From thread about staying at GC.
I spoke with a guide about the GCV. He confirmed that sales will initially be open to members who bought their master contract at DLR only. He said that there is a clause in those contracts guaranteeing that those members will be able to buy 160 points before the rest of the membership is able to purchase. He also said that once sales are open to the rest of the members that it will be open to everyone, general public included. So anyone who bought their master contract elsewhere or just did an add on at DLR will be on the same playing field as a non member

Just realized the thread was one you started wdw4life so guess you probably have a better understanding since you spoke with a guide.

It will be interesting to see how it is marketed when they officially open sales.

[wdw4life]

Found the following on another thread but couldn't figure out how to post a link so will just post the part I copied. The part about the 160 points could mean either of the intrepretations mentioned already.

From thread about staying at GC.
I spoke with a guide about the GCV. He confirmed that sales will initially be open to members who bought their master contract at DLR only. He said that there is a clause in those contracts guaranteeing that those members will be able to buy 160 points before the rest of the membership is able to purchase. He also said that once sales are open to the rest of the members that it will be open to everyone, general public included. So anyone who bought their master contract elsewhere or just did an add on at DLR will be on the same playing field as a non member

I am the OP of that thread. I should have written buy up to 160 points. That is the limit that is guaranteed as far as I know. I have no idea if there are any restrictions if a Founding Member wanted to do an add on greater than that but they will be able to add on less if they so desire. At least that's what I was told.

[dragonflymom]

I also spoke with my guide as well as a high level Sales Manager. The Sales Manager emphasized that the volume (sales through Disneyland) is a tiny, tiny fraction of the volume through WDW and he is skeptical that Founding Members will be able to purchase all of the available points for GC DVC.

My guess is that the DL guides really need this perk to keep DVC sales at DLR from stalling. Without this perk, I can even see sales volume going down at DLR when prospective buyers learn that new GC DVC sales is on the horizon--why commit 160 points now when they can do so in a year (or two) for a DVC that they truly want? I believe that people who purchase onsite at DL probably have a strong connection to DLR and are geographically more closely located to DLR than WDW, otherwise they would have purchased through a WDW guide. I personally believe this sales tactic may just work to snag people on the fence. I know for one I'm tempted to look for any way to become a Founding Member!

[dwelty]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

The Disneyland sales center has surpassed all sales goals since it opened. I think Disney feels some responsibility to give these guests "first crack" at the points for sale at DLR.

My understanding is that sales to founding members will only be for 2 weeks before it is opened to all members. They feel that there will still be plenty of points for all additional members that want to purchase.

[nunzia]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

The Disneyland sales center has surpassed all sales goals since it opened. I think Disney feels some responsibility to give these guests "first crack" at the points for sale at DLR.

My understanding is that sales to founding members will only be for 2 weeks before it is opened to all members. They feel that there will still be plenty of points for all additional members that want to purchase.

How about add ons for existing members..not founding members...of under 160 points?

[wdw4life]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

This is the reason I was given also and I think it is stupid.

[wdw4life]

My guess is that the DL guides really need this perk to keep DVC sales at DLR from stalling. Without this perk, I can even see sales volume going down at DLR when prospective buyers learn that new GC DVC sales is on the horizon--why commit 160 points now when they can do so in a year (or two) for a DVC that they truly want? I believe that people who purchase onsite at DL probably have a strong connection to DLR and are geographically more closely located to DLR than WDW, otherwise they would have purchased through a WDW guide. I personally believe this sales tactic may just work to snag people on the fence. I know for one I'm tempted to look for any way to become a Founding Member!

I believe this also. When I was meeting with the salesperson, to set up my meeting with a guide, three different people stopped to ask about the GCV. One was already a member and two were not. I think it's just a way to keep sales going to potential new members who might just be waiting for GCV to start selling.

[disneylover1955]

All This Drama.... :):cheer2:

[Longhairbear]

I am wondering, now that I and a few others have our noses out of joint over the Founding Members thing, if once the general membership starts buying add ons, if the general public will be shut out altogether.

[sjdisneywedding]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

The Disneyland sales center has surpassed all sales goals since it opened. I think Disney feels some responsibility to give these guests "first crack" at the points for sale at DLR.

My understanding is that sales to founding members will only be for 2 weeks before it is opened to all members. They feel that there will still be plenty of points for all additional members that want to purchase.


blind faith?

thats the dumbest reason I have ever heard. Im sure they did tell you this, but I can not imagine that was the reason developed by DVC. Seems like a reason made up by a couple sales guides discussing it amongst themselves or with guests

I dont see how in any way this should allow them to get first crack over the other thousands of members, An existing member is an existing member, period

[sjdisneywedding]

I talked to my guide about this as well today. She said that the reasoning behind this decision is that people who bought at DLR before GCH was announced, bought on "blind" faith, a resort 3,000 miles away with no guarentee that there would ever by a DVC at DLR. The fact that a sales center was built there and kiosks were placed around the Resort "Implied" that there could be a future DVC built in California, but there was no promise of this.

The Disneyland sales center has surpassed all sales goals since it opened. I think Disney feels some responsibility to give these guests "first crack" at the points for sale at DLR.

My understanding is that sales to founding members will only be for 2 weeks before it is opened to all members. They feel that there will still be plenty of points for all additional members that want to purchase.

besides the blind faith theory doesnt automatically mean you bought through a CA guide or vice versa

[MarkRG]

Don't get too panicky yet folks, this isn't the only time DVC has tried one of these exclusivity deals, the member cruise I just got off of had this lottery thing for people who've never been on a member cruise to have first shot, with the intent being to get fresh faces on the cruise to boost addon sales. A lot of people got upset at that, myself included. That deal didn't do as well as DVC expected, and there was still plenty of availability come open call-in day. I'd not be surprised to see the same situation happen here.

[Island Mouse]

popcorn::

How long until they actually start selling GCV?

[deej696]

popcorn:: This is an interesting thread, and I'm sure its a discussion we will all be having again in the near future with Hawaii and the potential of CRV down the road. Granted, I know the issue is the size of GCV, but I also know that us DVCers get antsy when we really want something, and I'm sure I'll be having these same worries if CRV comes about:thumbsup2

Either way, I think it is unlikely that DL will sell through most of the points before the general public can buy them. If they do, well maybe that will be some sort of incentive for Disney to expand the offering if possible? I just dont think this is a once and done thing for Disney at DL if its a success...

I'm not sure I follow what exactly a Founding Member is anyway? I mean, i realize what it technically means, however I'm not sure I understand how someone gets this priority over others....

[keishashadow]

If they do institute a new "minimum" add-on @ future WDW DVC resorts (CRV) say of 160 points; it wouldn't surprise me to see a flood of smaller listings go to resale in order for buyers to maintain a level of points comfortable to their needs.popcorn::

[ducklite]

This may be because CA is the only state where DVC is currently registered to sell at that resort. Once other states have approved sales to their residents for the GCV resort you will be bale to purchase by simply calling your guide, but until that time sales are only open to those who buy in person at DL.

Stay Tuned!

The laws for timeshare sales are very specific on a state-to-state basis, and depending on the state you live in, they sometimes can't even sell to you in person until the development has been approved by the state you reside in.

When BCV was first opened for sale, we were living in NJ, and DVC hadn't gotten NJ DCA approval for BCV yet, so we were unable to buy until a month or two after they began selling, even in person at WDW.

[dwelty]

If they do institute a new "minimum" add-on @ future WDW DVC resorts (CRV) say of 160 points; it wouldn't surprise me to see a flood of smaller listings go to resale in order for buyers to maintain a level of points comfortable to their needs.popcorn::

Disney is not saying that founding members have to buy a minimum of 160 points, they are saying that existing members who bought in California can buy up to 160 points before anyone else.

[JimC]

My guess is that current DVC members will be offered an opportunity to buy before the general public. I hope they do not segment it further, but that is their decision to make.

[keishashadow]

Disney is not saying that founding members have to buy a minimum of 160 points, they are saying that existing members who bought in California can buy up to 160 points before anyone else.

thanks for the clarification, that "minimum" buy-in scenario is my personal nightmare.

[lisah0711]

I dont see how in any way this should allow them to get first crack over the other thousands of members, An existing member is an existing member, period

I totally agree! :thumbsup2 I think its bad PR to make thousands of members unhappy for the sake of a few even though I realize they can do that if they want to. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing even though I think all members who want points will be able to get them.

[barngro]

We just purchased at Disneyland and our contract reads as follows:Paragraph 4 on the Founding Member Opportunity Program."You
must purchase an Ownership Interest in the GCR within(60) day period prior to the planned date on which presales of the GCR to the general public begin. We will notify You at least 90 days in advance of the Public Presales Date. The notice will identify the Public Pre-sales Date and the 60 day period before the Public Pre-sales Date (the Founding Member Pre-sales Period). You will then have the opportunity to become a Founding Member by purchasing an Ownership Interest in the GCR during the Founding Member Pre-sales Period. In order to become a Founding Member, You must initiate purchase within the Founding Member Pre-Sales Period."Plus you will reeive a gift with a retail value of about 100 dollars. This was a major incentive for us as we visit Disneyland at least 4 times a year.

[Longhairbear]

I would be interested to know when that paragraph first appeared in contracts. Just after the GCV were announced, or since the beginning of sales at DLR?
We just purchased at Disneyland and our contract reads as follows:Paragraph 4 on the Founding Member Opportunity Program."You
must purchase an Ownership Interest in the GCR within(60) day period prior to the planned date on which presales of the GCR to the general public begin. We will notify You at least 90 days in advance of the Public Presales Date. The notice will identify the Public Pre-sales Date and the 60 day period before the Public Pre-sales Date (the Founding Member Pre-sales Period). You will then have the opportunity to become a Founding Member by purchasing an Ownership Interest in the GCR during the Founding Member Pre-sales Period. In order to become a Founding Member, You must initiate purchase within the Founding Member Pre-Sales Period."Plus you will reeive a gift with a retail value of about 100 dollars. This was a major incentive for us as we visit Disneyland at least 4 times a year.

[dwelty]

I would be interested to know when that paragraph first appeared in contracts. Just after the GCV were announced, or since the beginning of sales at DLR?

This is a new addition, I checked my paperwork. (bought at DLR August 06) I do not think they would have added this until the announcement of the GCH in September, since it would have tipped everyone off of the plan to built there.

[sjdisneywedding]

I would be interested to know when that paragraph first appeared in contracts. Just after the GCV were announced, or since the beginning of sales at DLR?


I cant imagine its been in there all along. its just not adding up

GC wasnt even built until 2001, right? so when was it announced? were there dvc sales in DL prior to the announcement of GC?

DVC would/could never write into a contract that these people have priority to buy at a resort that has not even been announced.

also I would think someone over all these years would have posted that paragraph, how long has speculation been going on about a dvc at DL? that paragraph doesnt make it 100% official, but that a pretty solid foundation

[sjdisneywedding]

This is a new addition, I checked my paperwork. (bought at DLR August 06) I do not think they would have added this until the announcement of the GCH in September, since it would have tipped everyone off of the plan to built there.

ok so if this is new, is there another statement that would allow the previous buyers from DL priority over other members?

[wdw4life]

I know that the original announcement of GCV was supposed to be made in January of this year. I wonder if this document started appearing in contracts then or around the time it was actually announced? Since people have only recently starting mentioning it I'm betting it's something fairly new.

DLR has had a DVC sales staff for the last two years. I don't believe for a second that this plan has been in place the entire time. If it was then the sales people would have played it up. I still think they cooked it up as a way to keep new members buying until GCV goes on sale.

The way that document reads it does sound like there will be no pre-sales to the existing members. It only mentions the general public. I was previously told this but was really hoping it wasn't true.