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melsmom12
10-21-2007, 03:12 PM
My DD is 2.5 years old and not potty trained. I don't think she will be by the time we go on our cruise at the end of January. I am not a rule-breaker and would not risk having her pee in the pool by taking off her diaper, but I also know that they won't let her in the pool with a diaper on. So basically, my almost-3 year old will not be able to swim in the pools the entire week.

Did any of you find yourselves in a similar situation? How did you handle this? How did your child handle this? I'm wondering if we should go on the cruise at all - see my other (very long) post about this.

Thanks for sharing your experiences with me. :love:

LisaFB
10-21-2007, 03:17 PM
I'll let you know after we get home Nov 1 from our cruise with DS (2 years old!) LOL I think I read that there are splash fountains or something like that by the Mickey Pool for kids with swim diapers. I do wish they'd allow swim diapers in the actual pool since he LOVES to swim.

disneyfaninaz
10-21-2007, 03:32 PM
The new splash area is on the Wonder but not the Magic yet.

LisaFB
10-21-2007, 03:42 PM
I didn't know that.. good thing we're going on the Wonder!

MousseauMob
10-21-2007, 06:27 PM
That's true that the Wonder is the only one with the splash area, but the Magic does have one of the Mickey ears for little ones in swim diapers.

I worried about this same thing in 2005 when DD was 2.5 when we took our cruise. I also worried that since her big brother would be in the Mickey pool, I'd have a hard time keeping her in the designated ear - but she had a great time splashing about and I would distract her from time to time, by having her get out and have a treat/snack or something. She had a popsicle etc. Don't worry about it too much, there's so much to do onboard that providing distractions is easy.

Here's my little one in 2005 having fun in the designated "swim diaper" ear.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/MousseauMob/DSC00003.jpg

tvguy
10-21-2007, 09:35 PM
I do wish they'd allow swim diapers in the actual pool since he LOVES to swim.

They can't allow swim diapers because it is against health rules. So even if they wanted to, they can't allow them.

lawlesslovewdw
10-22-2007, 04:19 AM
I wanted to say that it caused us a few problems. Both my lo love swimming. They were just 2 (not trained) and almost 4 (trained). My 2 year old had tantrum after tantrum, he would be great in the splash area for a short while then want to join his big brother in mickey pool. It also meant we couldnt use the family pool. We didnt restrict ds1 usage of the pool as he is autistic and water is his great love and it was nice to spend some quality time with both of them alone. ds2 made up for it on CC. Had i been fully aware of this i probably would have waited till ds was a little older. Did it ruin our cruise; No. He did enjoy the splash area although it will fill up with older kids every now and then!

LisaFB
10-22-2007, 06:41 AM
They can't allow swim diapers because it is against health rules. So even if they wanted to, they can't allow them.I know. Most town pools and places that allow them don't realize that they don't hold the urine in, they just filter it out when the kids pee. I wouldn't want that in my pool either! LOL But it is a shame that the younger ones can't "swim" with the older ones. I hope DS doesn't get upset and not being in the regular pool with DD!

djs113
10-22-2007, 06:54 AM
good thing they do not let not potty trained kids in - one child went in during our cruise without his swim doctors - had a poop accident

then they must close the pool for hours basically messing up the sea day for all the other young kids - they must drain the pool, scrub it down, and refill the whole pool

took hours - very inconsiderate of that family - they said - "we took her to the potty before we left the cabin, we thought she was good for as few hours" until she pooped

in addition - an untrained child under 3 is not allowed in the kids club either, they must use Flounders for baby sitting and you pay by the hour for that

if in doubt - reschedule the trip after they are 3 and trained

jodifla
10-22-2007, 07:03 AM
I was posted a question of why there was so little to do for the 2 to 3 year old on DCL, and that thread got pretty heated and more than a hundred responses. Carnival opens up their kids clubs to 2 and up.

I'd say a fair amount of parents are surprised that their tots can't go swimming on the boat when they CAN go in pretty much every other pool with a swim diaper. My son has been swimming in pools since he was six months old. In Florida, it's standard to have babies in pools, and to get them swim lessons. Doctors pretty much demand it in Florida!

Here's what really happens on board...people ignore the rules. I witnessed this on both cruises we were on. They either just put their child in the pool with a swim diaper until somebody notices...then they tend to take the diaper off and put same child back in the pool. Or they use the hidden swim diapers that are undetectable.

MiknMinMouse
10-22-2007, 07:30 AM
We just got back from the 7night EC on the Magic. I did have trouble keeping DS 3 in the mickey ear for him. He really wanted to be with big sis. Actually he wanted to walk in the water area between the two big ears - and no flames please but being my first time, I though he could walk in that area since it seemed to be separated from the pool. A CM asked me to move little guy to the ear only and I did - no problem (well no problem with me, but little guy wasn't happy). Two times we took him into the Oceaneers area for the 3 year olds and they let us stay with him and play no problem. The Counselors were very nice and he had a ball. I was really worried about keeping him occupied but he had fun. He loved the shows and we bought him a few little toys that he wanted to play with in the cabin for a little bit each day. Over all he did really well. I am glad that on our next voyage he will be potty trained because that will make it a lot easier.

melsmom12
10-22-2007, 11:21 AM
I was posted a question of why there was so little to do for the 2 to 3 year old on DCL, and that thread got pretty heated and more than a hundred responses. Carnival opens up their kids clubs to 2 and up.



Do you have a link to this post? I'd like to know what people said about this topic. Didn't realize it was such a hot one.

Thanks!

LisaLovesDisney
10-22-2007, 12:07 PM
I was not aware of the pool rules until reading this thread and I depart on my 7 day Disney Magic cruise with my 2.4 pull up wearing DD THIS SATURDAY! I figured for cleaniless reasons that non potty trained babies would be secluded to specific pool but they only have one ear?? I am disapointed. I mean it is Disney?!?!? I would think they would have a bigger swim area got the little guys in swim diapers. With this new information can those who have cruised with non potty trained children share with me what other options there are to entertain a 2 year old on the days we are at sea???

LisaFB
10-22-2007, 12:15 PM
Lisa, I haven't gone on my cruise yet with the kids, but we went on the 7 day cruise 5 years ago just us. There seemed to be tons to do even w/o swimming (granted I wasn't looking at the kid stuff then! LOL). There are movies and activities as well as the shore excursions (wait, you asked about sea days, didn't you?!). We only have 1 sea day on the 4 night cruise, but I know DS will be entertained enough by going on deck and walking (sorry, RUNNING) around and wandering around the ship, etc.

LisaLovesDisney
10-22-2007, 12:21 PM
Lisa, I haven't gone on my cruise yet with the kids, but we went on the 7 day cruise 5 years ago just us. There seemed to be tons to do even w/o swimming (granted I wasn't looking at the kid stuff then! LOL). There are movies and activities as well as the shore excursions (wait, you asked about sea days, didn't you?!). We only have 1 sea day on the 4 night cruise, but I know DS will be entertained enough by going on deck and walking (sorry, RUNNING) around and wandering around the ship, etc.


PHEW! My little one and I are both very pale anyway so I am sure after a couple of hours in the sun we will be ready for some indoor entertainment. I appreciate the post. I would not think Disney would neglect the little guys. On a good note we recently had some progress in the potty department. But she won't be ready for our trip this weekend :)

Thanks again!!!

LisaFB
10-22-2007, 12:29 PM
No prob! Enjoy your cruise, I'm sure you will! I totally remember thinking how great that the DCL was perfect for families with young kids as well as adults and I can't wait to take our kids on Sunday!

ibela
10-22-2007, 12:32 PM
I was not aware of the pool rules until reading this thread and I depart on my 7 day Disney Magic cruise with my 2.4 pull up wearing DD THIS SATURDAY! I figured for cleaniless reasons that non potty trained babies would be secluded to specific pool but they only have one ear?? I am disapointed. I mean it is Disney?!?!? I would think they would have a bigger swim area got the little guys in swim diapers. With this new information can those who have cruised with non potty trained children share with me what other options there are to entertain a 2 year old on the days we are at sea???

There are tons of family activities so check the navigator daily. You can also attend Oceaneer Club activities so long as you stay with your child. Musical shows are offered at a matinee time (usually 2pm) so it's easier on the little ones to attend that show than a 8:30pm showing if you have the early seating.

Our DD loves swimming in pools and so we made it a point to splash around in the ear for about 2 hrs per day. The ear is a decent size, and on any given day we never had more than 4 other kids + 1 adult per kid supervising - we were always very comfortable and didn't feel crowded.

Does anyone have a picture of the area on the Wonder? I'm curious to see it because if we rebook for when she's not potty trained I think we may go that route so she can play in a larger area.

LisaFB
10-22-2007, 12:36 PM
I'll have a pic of it for you when we get back Nov 1!

ibela
10-22-2007, 12:42 PM
Oops, just saw the other thread asking about it and some people posted their pics. Thanks!!

SamIAm21
10-22-2007, 01:04 PM
I was not aware of the pool rules until reading this thread and I depart on my 7 day Disney Magic cruise with my 2.4 pull up wearing DD THIS SATURDAY! I figured for cleaniless reasons that non potty trained babies would be secluded to specific pool but they only have one ear?? I am disapointed. I mean it is Disney?!?!? I would think they would have a bigger swim area got the little guys in swim diapers. With this new information can those who have cruised with non potty trained children share with me what other options there are to entertain a 2 year old on the days we are at sea???

I don't want this to sound mean because I don't mean it to be in any way, but I don't think I'd want my child in a pool where there are lots of children only in swim diapers. The bacteria count would be astronomical. It would have to be cleaned and sanitized really well several times a day for me to be comfortable with that idea. The Mickey ear is probably small enough to be cleaned frequently. It's really not a matter of discriminating against the little ones, but more of a health issue. I'm sure Disney wouldn't want your little ones becoming ill on board or shortly after getting home because of unsanitary swimming conditions.

melsmom12
10-22-2007, 02:12 PM
The ear of the Mickey Pool doesn't collect water in it, it's got jets that shoot in different directions and continuously filters through. I have a picture of it somewhere, lemme see if it's on Photobucket...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/allieg8r94/SmallMickeyEarDCL.jpg

Awww, that's my DD in the middle when she was just a little pipsqueak. She looks like she isn't too sure, but she loved it! Hmmm, I hope she's going to be OK with this rule.

In Disney's defense, this is not just a DCL rule. It's a public health hazard for all cruise ships, and I actually really respect them for enforcing it, if not wish that there was something else that could be provided for them to do.

tvguy
10-22-2007, 06:34 PM
I'd say a fair amount of parents are surprised that their tots can't go swimming on the boat when they CAN go in pretty much every other pool with a swim diaper. My son has been swimming in pools since he was six months old. In Florida, it's standard to have babies in pools, and to get them swim lessons. Doctors pretty much demand it in Florida!
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I have no idea about Florida, but it is illegal in a lot of states too in public pools (pools that the public uses, so even apartment pools). It just isn't enforced.

weathernlu
10-22-2007, 09:05 PM
I have to throw my two cents in here. If you think any PUBLIC POOL whether it has kids with swim diapers in it or not is not swimming with bacteria than you are kidding yourselves.

I have a 3 yo DS and he's doing pretty good with going to the potty, but to think that 3, 4 and even 5 year olds don't have accidents is laughable. You don't think older kids are going number one in the public pool, whether by accident or because kids are kids?

I plan on letting my kids go in the pools, but I am not naive enough to think that it's perfect. There surely the possibility that my 3 year old could have an accident in the pool or in the club. I am not however going to tell my child he cannot do the things he wants to do because he might have an accident. We take him potty at least once an hour when it's a situation like that and he does a really good job with it. Still, when push comes to shove he is still three and prone to accidents.

melsmom12
10-22-2007, 09:40 PM
And that's why G-d invented chlorine, folks!

calmom
10-22-2007, 09:58 PM
Tip for diaper wearing toddlers:

We have been on 2 DCL cruises, and going on the WB Panana Canal (which will have tons of sea days!). I doubt our then 2 1/2 year old will be potty trained, and wasn't on the previous ones.

Bring sand toys - the little ones love playing in water (like they are in the tub). If you keep water toys with them, it tends to keep them occupied, and keeps them active in the ear. Throw some water toys in the middle, tell your children they have to stay in the ear, VOILA!

Now, back to our regularily scheduled debate of diapers and swimming. popcorn::

atinkerbellmom
10-22-2007, 09:59 PM
Guys, it is against federal regulations to have non-potty trained children/people in the pools on cruisehips. If Carnival is allowing it, then they can be shut down. It has to do with the number of GI issues that are transfered so easily, especially on tight premisis such as cruiseships. This is the same reason the CM can not change diapers in the club. Did you know if you contact a roto-virus you will be isolated to your room. They are fined if they get an out-break. There are some rules they just have to follow, to stay in business. This is like them saying, okay you do not like things around your neck, well you can skip the life boat safety drill or not wear your life jacket:scared1: not............ Pools are different from splash areas as the water sits there and collects and grows bacteria even faster in the sun.:eek:

melsmom12
10-22-2007, 10:03 PM
Absolutely true. And, like I said, I have complete respect for this rule and have no desire to be one of "those" people who say tough tarts and break the rule b/c their child is the "special" one who is more important.

But the point was made that truly we have no idea who is peein' in the pool, and there's just not a lot you can do about it except either try not to think about it and have a good time, or just not swim. :)

Davids-Coco
10-22-2007, 11:42 PM
But the point was made that truly we have no idea who is peein' in the pool, and there's just not a lot you can do about it except either try not to think about it and have a good time, or just not swim. :)

Exactly! While swim diapers do allow urine to move through the diaper when they go, there are others who just go in the pool because they don't want to have to get out - no matter if they are 5 or 50.

aprilgail2
10-23-2007, 04:52 AM
The mickey pool was closed down for hours at a time numerous times for scrubbing on our last cruise for people taking non potty trained children in the pool and them having accidents. By the second time the pool crowd was getting a bit rowdy towards the family of the second "pooper". It is tough having an older toddler that is not potty trained and they have to stay in that little splash water ear, if I had to do it now I would wait until my udaughter was 3 and trained before I went. The first cruise we went on my daughter was 2 1/2 and it was right before they started the no swim diapers rule so she could go in the pool but she could not go to the kids club and she was bored to tears in flounders-she complained it was babyish and there were to many crying babies in there all evening and she couldn't go to the club because she was not potty trained. If I had to go back and do that again I would wait until she was potty trained!

SamIAm21
10-23-2007, 09:16 AM
I have to throw my two cents in here. If you think any PUBLIC POOL whether it has kids with swim diapers in it or not is not swimming with bacteria than you are kidding yourselves.

I have a 3 yo DS and he's doing pretty good with going to the potty, but to think that 3, 4 and even 5 year olds don't have accidents is laughable. You don't think older kids are going number one in the public pool, whether by accident or because kids are kids?

I plan on letting my kids go in the pools, but I am not naive enough to think that it's perfect. There surely the possibility that my 3 year old could have an accident in the pool or in the club. I am not however going to tell my child he cannot do the things he wants to do because he might have an accident. We take him potty at least once an hour when it's a situation like that and he does a really good job with it. Still, when push comes to shove he is still three and prone to accidents.

True! There could be some accidents, but if the pool were filled with toddlers in swim diapers then for sure you know without a doubt that there is going to be some serious bacteria that maybe even chlorine couldn't keep up with. There's only so much chlorine you can use before that becomes a health hazard too. I'm glad to see that Mickey ear is really just a little sprinkler station. I love toddlers and kids, and don't get me wrong I feel for those parents who have to find ways to distract their little ones away from the big pools, but I know I'd prefer it be this way so we don't have a bunch of sick people on the boat.

fairfax
10-23-2007, 09:26 AM
I was on the Magic last week and they were VERY strict with the kids' splash area. My DS is 2, and he had to be lifted in and out of the Mickey ear, they would not let him walk in the shallow water surrounding the pool. I completely understand this and had no problem with it, but it was just too difficult for him to stay put in that one area! So we did not take him to the pool after that first day. While DD (4) was in the pool, I'd take DS to the Oceaneer's Club, which he loved. He could stay there and play on everything and participate in the activities, which he did, as long as an adult was there with him.

LisaFB
11-12-2007, 08:54 AM
We were on the Oct 28 Halloween Wonder cruise. DS, who's is 2, was very happy in the splash area behind the slide at the Mickey pool. I think he only asked once to go to the Mickey Pool and I just told him he was there (on the Wonder, it's behind the slide so you can't really see the pool). DH went with DD to the pool part (not even 4 years old and she even went down the slide!) and they came to visit us a few times but then went back to the pool part. Neither of my kids had any issues and both had fun.

calmom
11-12-2007, 09:38 AM
We were on the Oct 28 Halloween Wonder cruise. DS, who's is 2, was very happy in the splash area behind the slide at the Mickey pool. I think he only asked once to go to the Mickey Pool and I just told him he was there (on the Wonder, it's behind the slide so you can't really see the pool). DH went with DD to the pool part (not even 4 years old and she even went down the slide!) and they came to visit us a few times but then went back to the pool part. Neither of my kids had any issues and both had fun.

I wish the Magic had that splash area! It looks great from the pictures I have seen. I think having that saves a lot of issues between parents and their 2 year olds!

LisaFB
11-12-2007, 09:49 AM
I wish I had pics of it, but he was splashing me so much that I didn't want to take it out and chance it getting wet! It really worked out perfectly fine and it would be good if the Magic had the same thing. If they can't see the other pool, then it's not as big of an issue for them!

Mr. & Mrs. Smith
11-12-2007, 05:46 PM
I do wish they'd allow swim diapers in the actual pool since he LOVES to swim.

Swim diapers = :scared1:

But the point was made that truly we have no idea who is peein' in the pool, and there's just not a lot you can do about it except either try not to think about it and have a good time, or just not swim. :)

Although urine in a pool is a gross concept, I don't think it's so much the pee that they are worried about, if you know what I'm saying.

I know that I will get to the point in life where I am worried about these things too (and it's coming soon) but, for now and after reading this thread, thank God for the adult-only pool!

tvguy
11-12-2007, 08:04 PM
I like Babe Ruths, just not in the pool. :lmao:

crisi
11-12-2007, 09:15 PM
We elected to postpone. We have two kids a year apart and my daughter was not yet potty trained, my son was. She was almost three, he was almost four.

Not only did a few months (we actually waited a year) mean she could swim, she could also go to the kids clubs (which she loved), did fine with a hour and a half dinner, and we could book excursions for her.

Would we have had fun anyway - probably, but the two features my kids (now eight and nine - potty training is such a hazy memory - though so vivid at the time) like best about the cruise is the kids clubs and the pools. And, honestly, one of the things we like best is getting at least a little time away from our kids.