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MarkBarbieri
10-18-2007, 12:26 PM
I just had a Disney security person stop me to ask if I was shooting for personal use. Seems like a waste of time to ask. Who would say "no?"

JR6ooo4
10-18-2007, 12:39 PM
Hehehheee,
to quote the farmer cousin from "vacation"

"I use em alot"

Mikeeee

mabas9395
10-18-2007, 12:51 PM
Tell him that any person willing to pay your fee can use them for their "personal" use as much as they want.

Nikel
10-18-2007, 01:15 PM
:rotfl2: "Nope, I'm gonna have up on on my site for sale by 5 PM. Here's my card, if you're interested." What in the world was he expecting you to say?

MICKEY88
10-18-2007, 01:29 PM
I had that happen at WDW and at Hersheypark, Hersheypark being the more interesting of the 2 experiences. there a security guard stopped me shortly after I entered the park he asked if I was a professional I said yes, he asked where I was going I said to the amphitheater to take pics of the show, he said you can't do that,I said I've been doing it for years, and walked away going to the show, as the show started I noticed that he had folowed me and now security had every exit covered, I'm guessing they didn't want to disrupt the show, they stood and watched as I took pictures, when the show ended I headed for the exit where the first guard was wating, he again told me I couldn't do that, I calmly said I just did...LOL

I told him he needed to contact the head of entertainment, who had recently bought copies of my pics..

it turns out, that Hershey's policy is to escort professional photographers/photo journalists who are there to get pics and write a story, they want to make sure you have full access to the performers and the best vantage point for taking pics.

he had somehow misinterpretted that policy to mean that pro photographers could not enter the park and take pictures..

the rest of that season he would turn and walk the other way any time he saw me..

I believe Disney has a similar policy, so he might have been checking to see if he should radio for an escort..and worded his inquiry poorly

DVC Jen
10-18-2007, 01:57 PM
I just had a Disney security person stop me to ask if I was shooting for personal use. Seems like a waste of time to ask. Who would say "no?"

no one ever asks me that. I'm not sure if I am glad or hurt. ;)

Gdad
10-18-2007, 02:46 PM
What were you using? (Long Lens? Tripod?)

orchjoe
10-18-2007, 02:59 PM
I believe Disney has a similar policy, so he might have been checking to see if he should radio for an escort..and worded his inquiry poorly

Maybe you could have gotten a tour of Cinderella Suite :rotfl:

Groucho
10-18-2007, 03:15 PM
That seems kind of strange. Even if you're carrying one of the stereotypical "giant white lenses" (which is generally a pretty poor fit for WDW shooting, outside of maybe the Safari ride!), it's not like those are that unusual there... and I didn't get any trouble whatsoever at WDW or DL carrying around a full-size tripod.

We-Luv-Disney
10-18-2007, 03:20 PM
:lmao: Reminds me of this one time! I set up my tripod in front of the crystal palace for Wishes and a family came over and stood in front of my setup and said "we are ready for the picture when you are" :rotfl2: I should have told them cash up front please:rotfl:

handicap18
10-18-2007, 03:33 PM
You should have said to him "Thats a very personal question" ....... ok ok, bad joke. :)

MICKEY88
10-18-2007, 03:39 PM
Maybe you could have gotten a tour of Cinderella Suite :rotfl:


I'd rather go backstage with Jasmine

jann1033
10-18-2007, 05:21 PM
earning money is very personally useful imo ;)

WillCAD
10-18-2007, 05:54 PM
I would have said, "Yes, I'm going to personally use these photos to make some money."

I get something similar - other Guests will often walk up to me and start asking me questions, obviously under the impression that I'm a CM. I try to be polite and courteous about it, but I nearly snapped when a woman walked up to me in Liberty Square once and laid into me on a rant about how her kids had waited for 20 minutes to see a character and the character went back stage.

boBQuincy
10-18-2007, 06:11 PM
Tell them you're just practicing and don't even have any film in the camera. Honesty works! ;)

ukcatfan
10-18-2007, 06:38 PM
I just had a Disney security person stop me to ask if I was shooting for personal use. Seems like a waste of time to ask. Who would say "no?"

My guess is that it had something to do with you being alone with a very expensive camera. I doubt they would question you if you were with your family.


I believe Disney has a similar policy, so he might have been checking to see if he should radio for an escort..and worded his inquiry poorly

I am sure that they have a similar policy, but it is not like you can just walk up to the gates and request it. You cannot even sell a shot taken inside Disney without written permission. I have a CM friend in management and he was told it is next to impossible to get that permission. They typically have contracts with professionals with international acclaim.

Kevin

MICKEY88
10-18-2007, 08:03 PM
My guess is that it had something to do with you being alone with a very expensive camera. I doubt they would question you if you were with your family.



I am sure that they have a similar policy, but it is not like you can just walk up to the gates and request it. You cannot even sell a shot taken inside Disney without written permission. I have a CM friend in management and he was told it is next to impossible to get that permission. They typically have contracts with professionals with international acclaim.

Kevin

I agreee 100%, my point was if they spot a photographer that they might think is a photojournalist, they will stop them and then provide the escort,,,they certainly allow journalists to get pics to go with their stories..

that permission may be next to impossible to get , but it is possible, I Got the OK back in 2001 from the disney legal dept..

We-Luv-Disney
10-18-2007, 09:26 PM
They typically have contracts with professionals with international acclaim.

Kevin

Its funny you say that! They may be professional with international acclaim, but I have seen Hundreds of Photos here on these message boards taken by DIS members that are way better than any WDW photo taken by these professionals!

ukcatfan
10-18-2007, 10:41 PM
Its funny you say that! They may be professional with international acclaim, but I have seen Hundreds of Photos here on these message boards taken by DIS members that are way better than any WDW photo taken by these professionals!

That is because those pros do not have the Disney addiction like we do!!!

Kevin

bostran1
10-18-2007, 11:01 PM
I got stopped by fans at game two of the ALCS asking me which newspaper I work for. All I had was my dale and 55-200 lens on. No tripod or monopod or anything. I still haven't gotten used to those questions.

barrie
10-19-2007, 03:10 AM
Let me shed a little light on the situation. I met Mark at the Magic Kingdom today...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2230/1629843737_9730d0db5f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1629843737&size=o)

I'm sure the only reason no one asked him if he was a pro today is because of MNSSHP. They probably thought this was a costume! The rear view includes a tripod. It was fun to see him negotiate the turnstiles.

And by the way - he's just as nice in person as he is on the boards. I had a great time hanging out with you Mark!

Gdad
10-19-2007, 04:57 AM
It was fun to see him negotiate the turnstiles.

Forget the turnstiles- have fun stuffing all that under your seat on Soarin' ;)

WillCAD
10-19-2007, 07:26 AM
Holy Carp! How does he walk with all that stuff!

MICKEY88
10-19-2007, 09:54 AM
slightly OT, for those people who won't wear a vest because they don't want to draw attention, or think their families will disown them,, does this really draw any more attention than Mark's setup...??

http://images29.fotki.com/v291/photos/8/86568/336006/photographerB-vi.jpg http://images29.fotki.com/v310/photos/8/86568/336006/photographer2B-vi.jpg
one of the employees grabbed these shots of me at the PA Renn Faire last weekend...

Master Mason
10-19-2007, 10:10 AM
slightly OT, for those people who won't wear a vest because they don't want to draw attention, or think their families will disown them,, does this really draw any more attention than Mark's setup...??

http://images29.fotki.com/v291/photos/8/86568/336006/photographerB-vi.jpg http://images29.fotki.com/v310/photos/8/86568/336006/photographer2B-vi.jpg

one of the employees grabbed these shots of me at the PA Renn Faire last weekend...

Getting red x's Mickey88.

MarkBarbieri
10-19-2007, 10:29 AM
I got questioned again today. It was on my way in to Epcot. She was very nice about it. She warned me that I was likely to be stopped many more times.

She confirmed that I would need a guide to shoot professionally and that arranging that was very difficult. I asked what would draw attention from security and she said that shooting backstage or behind construction fences was a major no-no.

My outlandish get up is actuall a vest. It's a belt/vest combo that holds "pods" for lenses and gear. This is my first outing with it. I was inspired by the vest lovers here.

If by "giant white lenses", you mean things like 500mm lenses, I agree. I think that my 70-200mm f2.8 lens (considered giant by some) is ideal for indoor shows.

orchjoe
10-19-2007, 11:32 AM
Mark you are my new hero :banana:

My gf would never let me out out of the house like that...

MICKEY88
10-19-2007, 11:54 AM
I got questioned again today. It was on my way in to Epcot. She was very nice about it. She warned me that I was likely to be stopped many more times.

She confirmed that I would need a guide to shoot professionally and that arranging that was very difficult. I asked what would draw attention from security and she said that shooting backstage or behind construction fences was a major no-no.

My outlandish get up is actuall a vest. It's a belt/vest combo that holds "pods" for lenses and gear. This is my first outing with it. I was inspired by the vest lovers here.

If by "giant white lenses", you mean things like 500mm lenses, I agree. I think that my 70-200mm f2.8 lens (considered giant by some) is ideal for indoor shows.

it looks like a good setup but I still think the vest is easier.... everything in one place and it's easier to put on and take off, while eating etc...

WillCAD
10-19-2007, 12:01 PM
I recognized your rig right away Mark - it's the LowePro Street & Field Vest Harness, (http://www.lowepro.com/Products/Belts_and_Harnesses/harness/S_and_F_Vest_Harness.aspx) a very nice modular setup.

I considered one of those myself, but I prefer to tour light when at WDW, with only one lens and a few accessories, so I invented a camera harness of my own that works great for a medium to large SLR with almost any size lens. It works like a charm and is much more comfortable than a neck strap; accessories like spare batts and memory cards go in my pockets or on my belt.

I like being able to go through the "no bag" entrance at the parks and skipping that 20 minute confuse-o-thon at the bag check tables.

MICKEY88
10-19-2007, 12:04 PM
I recognized your rig right away Mark - it's the LowePro Street & Field Vest Harness, (http://www.lowepro.com/Products/Belts_and_Harnesses/harness/S_and_F_Vest_Harness.aspx) a very nice modular setup.

I considered one of those myself, but I prefer to tour light when at WDW, with only one lens and a few accessories, so I invented a camera harness of my own that works great for a medium to large SLR with almost any size lens. It works like a charm and is much more comfortable than a neck strap; accessories like spare batts and memory cards go in my pockets or on my belt.

I like being able to go through the "no bag" entrance at the parks and skipping that 20 minute confuse-o-thon at the bag check tables.

they waved me right thru wearing my vest,
I thought that was kind of crazy 20+ pockets ..who knows what I could have been packing...

they do the same thing at the PA renn fairre ??:confused3 :confused3

Groucho
10-19-2007, 01:40 PM
The lens pouch is big enough to cram small children into! Yeesh. I'll stick with my little ones - hey, I was able to cram both a 28-75mm F2.8 and 10-17mm fisheye into one, with only the lens mount sticking out the top (drawstring tight around it to avoid any droppage...)

Closest I've come to that I guess would be the times in January when I'd have both the DSLR and SLR slung around my neck, bag at my side, and tripod slung across the back...

The good part is that I've gotten away with a couple backstage shots without anyone noticing/caring. :)

geetey
10-19-2007, 02:20 PM
:scared1: HOLY COW! That's some gear!! I think I would be too pooped to walk all around the parks. (Of course, if I could convince dh that I need a longer lense as part of a fitness routine :scratchin .... Hmm... you might be on to something! :thumbsup2)

Mickey88, are you carrying your lens with a strap?

WillCAD
10-19-2007, 03:22 PM
they waved me right thru wearing my vest,
I thought that was kind of crazy 20+ pockets ..who knows what I could have been packing...

they do the same thing at the PA renn fairre ??:confused3 :confused3

In the past they have never stopped anyone with a photographers vest (or a fisherman's vest masquerading as a photographers vest!)

But I have been hearing reports over the last two years that folks with multi-pocket vests are being asked to open the pockets for inspection more and more frequently. It's not a universal policy yet; for the time being it seems to be individual CMs taking some personal initiative, but I can see it maybe becoming an official policy in the future.

I've tried wearing a vest a few times in the past, and it is prety comfortable for the most part, but even the lightest cloth vest is just way too hot for me in central Florida. A mesh-back vest might work, but I haven't been able to find one that I like with enough pockets at a reasonable price.

MICKEY88
10-19-2007, 03:27 PM
In the past they have never stopped anyone with a photographers vest (or a fisherman's vest masquerading as a photographers vest!)

But I have been hearing reports over the last two years that folks with multi-pocket vests are being asked to open the pockets for inspection more and more frequently. It's not a universal policy yet; for the time being it seems to be individual CMs taking some personal initiative, but I can see it maybe becoming an official policy in the future.

I've tried wearing a vest a few times in the past, and it is prety comfortable for the most part, but even the lightest cloth vest is just way too hot for me in central Florida. A mesh-back vest might work, but I haven't been able to find one that I like with enough pockets at a reasonable price.

my last trip was Feb '06, waved thru with vest, and stopped many times by guests or cast members who thought I was a photopass photographer..

mine cost me 35 bucks,good seller on ebay... 100% cotton, vented back with mesh lining,, 20+ pockets I have 3 khaki and one black, occasionally on really hot days, it's easier to swap out vests at night, rather than washing one..

I'm thinking about altering the back panels, by cutting them at the top, so I can roll it down on really hot days, and reattach with snaps on not so hot days..

MICKEY88
10-19-2007, 03:31 PM
:scared1: HOLY COW! That's some gear!! I think I would be too pooped to walk all around the parks. (Of course, if I could convince dh that I need a longer lense as part of a fitness routine :scratchin .... Hmm... you might be on to something! :thumbsup2)

Mickey88, are you carrying your lens with a strap?

yes, it's a lens cradle, great way to carry the lens off camera, and when mounted on the camera it gives better balance and reduces the risk of lens mount damage...

geetey
10-19-2007, 04:22 PM
Thanks for the reply, Mickey88. I haven't seen one of those before. It looks very handy!

MICKEY88
10-19-2007, 04:33 PM
Thanks for the reply, Mickey88. I haven't seen one of those before. It looks very handy!


www.lenscradle.com



I got mine off ebay, they were running a 2 for 1 sale..

ColleenS
10-19-2007, 07:46 PM
and I didn't get any trouble whatsoever at WDW or DL carrying around a full-size tripod.

I did! ;)

After dinner at Raglan Road my sister & I went to shoot Pleasure Island. I had been shooting for about 5 minutes when a security guard walked over and
He said I had to stop, that I couldn't use my tri-pod. I was confused and he told me that they we not allowed. I said "oh here at Pleasure Island?" he said "no, all of Disney property" :confused3

I knew he was wrong but didn't know how to prove it.:rolleyes1 He told me I could take pictures just couldn't use the tri-pod. He said "sorry Disney rules" :rolleyes:

I told him I was taking long exposure shots and he told me I could rest in on the railing.:rolleyes:

If I was a quick thinker I would have told him about the two photopass photographers at MGM two nights ago giving me tips on shooting the Hat after Fantasmic! they came over and were quite helpful and never once said I wasn't allowed to use a tripod. :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I still got a few shots before the security guard stopped me.;) :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/Coolvolley126/6-7-07-290.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/Coolvolley126/6-7-07-293.jpg

You can see him walking at me in this one (right in the center):lmao:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/Coolvolley126/6-7-07-286.jpg

I should also mention that I continued to use the tripod for the rest of the night, just not in Pleasure Island :rotfl: I also used in during Spectro, Wishes, Fantasmic!, & Illuminations with no problems.

AndrewWG
10-19-2007, 08:12 PM
Wow, Colleen. That is terrible. However, I am not surprised one bit by it. "Un-Pleasureable" Island as we call it will never see one penny from my pocket. I think I mentioned it before but they would not allow my DW in (to drink anyways) because she didn't have a drivers license. She did, however, have her US passport which allowed us to go out o fthe country jsut a week prior. It was our honeymoon and the grief that they gave her at the gate caused us to just walk away and NEVER will we try to go in again. So, like I said, I totally believe that this happened to you because PI has their own rules despite them trying to pass them off as "Disney Rules". They are full of themselves over there.

orchjoe
10-19-2007, 09:15 PM
Thats funny.... a US passport should be better than a state ID.

Gdad
10-19-2007, 09:26 PM
Thats funny.... a US passport should be better than a state ID.

I guess foreign tourists better visit the Florida Dept of Transportation before going to PI. :rolleyes1

AndrewWG
10-19-2007, 09:48 PM
Exactly. That was what we got in a heated argument with the manager about. I mean, c'mon, she could leave and enter the country with it but can't get a drink? Also, that showed me that you CAN'T drink there unless you have the ability to drive home! :scared1: I just didn't get it. Essentially, we got kicked out. Oh well. My temper is usually quite mild, but sometimes.....:mad:

Groucho
10-21-2007, 09:08 AM
I'm really surprised you got a hard time about the tripod. I carried mine all around Downtown Disney (both WDW and DL) without any problem whatsoever. Obviously it's not Disney policy since there's always a few tripods floating around.

I'm generally not very argumentative either, but I've probably tell the security guard to get stuffed. :teeth: Well, maybe not that, but definitely tell he that he's absolutely wrong and to check with his supervisor.

If there's any doubt - how about this: every time you go through bag check, they see everything, and I've always mentioned the tripod (when it was "hidden" in the bottom of our stroller) and never had a hard time. If the bag check people OK it, that's a pretty good sign that it's OK.

brack
10-21-2007, 03:01 PM
no one ever asks me that. I'm not sure if I am glad or hurt. ;)

:lmao: They've never asked me either.

jann1033
10-22-2007, 11:08 AM
funny, evidently the security guard has never been to wdw after dark:lmao:

but what is it with tripods anyway, i've seen little p&s on a tripod so do they really think that makes them pros?

and mark i showed hub the photo of you loaded down with gear...never again will he complain about my one scrawny bag:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

WillCAD
10-22-2007, 11:47 AM
funny, evidently the security guard has never been to wdw after dark:lmao:

but what is it with tripods anyway, i've seen little p&s on a tripod so do they really think that makes them pros?

and mark i showed hub the photo of you loaded down with gear...never again will he complain about my one scrawny bag:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I don't think it's the tripod alone, I think it's the combination of a tripod and a big, scary-looking camera (i.e. an SLR or anything that looks like an SLR).

MarkBarbieri
10-22-2007, 12:55 PM
To be fair, I'm a pretty small guy, so it looks bulkier on me than it would on a normal sized person.

manning
10-22-2007, 01:56 PM
Let me shed a little light on the situation. I met Mark at the Magic Kingdom today...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2230/1629843737_9730d0db5f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1629843737&size=o)

I'm sure the only reason no one asked him if he was a pro today is because of MNSSHP. They probably thought this was a costume! The rear view includes a tripod. It was fun to see him negotiate the turnstiles.

And by the way - he's just as nice in person as he is on the boards. I had a great time hanging out with you Mark!


That was me 30 years ago when the equipment was heavier. Today I run (actually walk) around with only a Sony H5 and Panasonic TZ1.

Enjoy it when your young!!!

Pea-n-Me
10-22-2007, 04:03 PM
Really like the "geeky photographer" look for MNSSHP, Mark! :thumbsup2 :rotfl:

campinggal
10-23-2007, 11:26 PM
Let me shed a little light on the situation. I met Mark at the Magic Kingdom today...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2230/1629843737_9730d0db5f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1629843737&size=o)

I'm sure the only reason no one asked him if he was a pro today is because of MNSSHP. They probably thought this was a costume! The rear view includes a tripod. It was fun to see him negotiate the turnstiles.

And by the way - he's just as nice in person as he is on the boards. I had a great time hanging out with you Mark!

:thumbsup2 So glad you thought to take a photo of him in his 'get up'.

I had the good fortune of bumping into Mark at AK earlier in the day. I saw him walk by where I was waiting in line for Nemo and thought...hmm...lots o'camera equipment, maybe a DISer, if he were underwater with a mask on it might be the same person...and with luck- he joined the Nemo line too so I went over and chatted with him for a minute.

Can't wait to see his photos (no pressure Mark! :) ). I was touring with my 10 year old DD who has no patience for pausing for creative photography so my shooting was limited. Plus- with the heat of last week- schlepping my Nikon around was getting pretty tiresome(can't believe I just said that).

MarkBarbieri
10-24-2007, 06:38 AM
It was a real thrill seeing both CampingGal and Barrie at the parks. It was especially nice as I was there by myself, so it was good to talk to other people that I "know."

I posted some of the picks I took at the Nemo show over on http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1616186. While my shots weren't great, they weren't bad for a first effort either. I think it's an easier show to shoot than the Festival of the Lion King, although I think the latter is a much more enjoyable show.