Are all cruisers non-smokers? [Archive] - The DIS Discussion Forums

inkkognito

02-16-2002, 09:28 AM

First, a suggestion for smokers who are getting an inside cabin for budgetary or any other reason:
If you are getting a Cat. 11 cabin, get one as far aft as possible on Deck 7 so that you can go right outside on the "secret aft verandah." If you are self-conscious about bothering others, the "secret deck 8 overlook" is even better. I have details on both of those spots on my website at www.*****************. If you are going for a Cat. 9 and are on Deck 2, it's only 2 floors up to Deck 4, with lots of exterior areas.
Now, a report from a non-smoker who is extremely allergic to smoke (I thought I was going to suffocate on Sovereign of the Seas--Disney is MUCH better for non-smokers than RCCL). The only place I am ever bothered by smoke is the clubs because there is not enough space or ventilation. One of the non-smoking sections in Wavebands/Rockin Bar D is literally right in front of the smoking section, so it is very smoky. We sit off to the side, but it's still pretty bad. The only thing we go in there for is the 70s Party...I take my drugs so I can deal with it for that because I love that party.
Cadlillac lounge is way too smoky too, for the same reasons, plus there is no enforcement of the non-smoking areas. We discovered this when smokers plopped down next to us and, not seeing an ashtray, simply brought one over from the smoking section. Normally I am not shy about saying something, but we were just about ready to leave anyway so we did.
You can have problems if you have a chainsmoker on the verandah next to you, but this has only happened to us a couple of times (actually, it was a cigar smoker--ugh!). Mostly, we are able to enjoy our verandah when we have one without being assailed by smoke.
In theory, someone can smoke next to you at the pool. In practice, we've really not found this to be much of a problem. It seems to happen more often at the adult bach on Castaway Cay, so we try to choose beach chairs that are not right next to others.
Disney is very responsive...they get applause from me for making the Promenade Lounge non-smoking based on guest feedback. Because it is an open area, located off a main hallway, the area was smoky and awful for walking through. Now it is so nice!
So yes, there is some potential for problems if you are sensitive to smoke, but overall it is not bad and Disney is much more nonsmoker-friendly than RCCL.
Barb
Visit the Platinum Castaway Club at: www.*****************

taswira

02-16-2002, 10:01 AM

For non-smokers it IS bad that smoking is allowed in the adult clubs. Last month I found Cadillac Lounge SO smoke-filled that I never walked through its entrance in the evening. I was told the air filtration system needed servicing. I went to Wavebands, ending up with red eyes, dry throat and cough, and my clothes smelling like cigarette smoke. There's no way to avoid coming out smelling like you are a smoker. I sympathize with those addicted to nicotine, but it is unfortunate that non-smokers can not enjoy the adult clubs without unpleasant, unhealthy consequences. I also was in an elevator with a man who positively REEKED of cigarette smoke (from breath to hair to clothing) standing close next to me in a full elevator. I think the "secret deck 8 overlook" is a good place to direct smokers. Too many of us non-smokers like to relax in the clean air of Deck 7 aft ;-).

To "disneyholic family" - Carnival's Paradise is the ONLY totally smoke-free cruise ship and it's strictly enforced. Even the crew are non-smokers. But it's NOT Disney!

idontknow

02-16-2002, 02:07 PM

Thank you for your true information and not flaming me. :) There are a few cabins open really close to the open deck on 7. Thanks for telling me about the one on 8, too.

I had to chuckle at taswira's post. (all in fun, of course) "can not enjoy the adult clubs without unpleasant, unhealthy consequences. " I know you ment the second hand smoke, but but what you said conjered up fantasies of drinking disney alcohol and not getting a hangover. WOW, the power of disney magic and pixie dust! LOL (please take that the right way. In no way am I picking on your post. I just got a chuckle out of the vision it put in my mind as I read it.;))

Thanks for your help!

taswira

02-16-2002, 02:36 PM

That's okay, "idontknow." Yes, I DID mean the second-hand smoke! Guess I wasn't thinking of the alcohol because about the only time I drink alcohol is for one "drink of the day" special.

Maybe someday there will be a nice "smoker's lounge" on the ship if there continues to be a lot of smokers. You never know . . .

disneyholic family

02-16-2002, 03:57 PM

i am truly disappointed and seriously considering cancelling...
i simply can't understand why they couldn't have the lounges no-smoking....are they that desperate to generate more dollars from smokers who might buy a drink to go with that cigarette?....

i was so looking forwards to those adult clubs...
now i understand why in almost every review i've read, people said the adult clubs were very underpopulated....no doubt because of the smoke.....

i assume that at least studio sea is non-smoking.....right???....

i can't believe it.....i have to seriously think whether spending thousands of dollars for 3 nights of smoked filled rooms isn't a reallly stupid thing to do.....

time to try to talk the kids out of this cruise...
though if i mention the word smoke, it won't be very hard to do...

i wonder where the paradise sails...
it might not be disney but at least i won't be held captive in a confined space with people who by definition are inconsiderate of others.... (as demonstrated by your story of the people who smoked in the no-smoking area)....

oh well......

mmouse37

02-16-2002, 04:11 PM

I have taken 4 DCL cruises and about 5 other non disney cruises. By far, Disney handles the smoke better than any other line I have been on. I have not had smoke be an issue on DCL and I hate smoke. Yes, ocassionally you will get a whiff while up on deck but all in all people seem to respect other people's space.

Even though I would prefer a non-smoking Disney ship, I realize that smoker's have a right to experiences the clubs as well as non-smokers. I would not cancel my trip for fear of a smoke problem. Especially coming from Europe, Disneyholic family, where smoking is out of control I am sure you won't find it that much of a problem.

Just my 2 cents.

MJ

disneyholic family

02-16-2002, 04:22 PM

mmouse....
that's really the point....
if we can pick and choose where to spend our time why would we pick a smoke filled room....
now that i've been warned, i would have only myself to blame for the inevitable disappointment we'll all feel when we can't take advantage of something we were very much looking forwards to......
which is why i'm over in the carnival cruise lines site, checking out the paradise....

hydster

02-16-2002, 05:08 PM

If you are truly bothered by smoke I would suggest going on Carnival Paradise (which as the name implies is the non smokers paradise) because NO ONE can smoke on that ship ANYWHERE! You actually have to sign a waiver stating that if you are caught WITH anything to smoke or are caught smoking you will be put off at the next port and getting home is YOUR problem!!! Even the staff on the ship have to be non-smokers! The ship is completely smoke free! There is NO room ANYWHERE that you can smoke in! And they take it very seriously!!!
If you are that worried about it I would maybe think about switching to the Paradise even though it isnt Disney they have great kids programs there as well. The only draw back to the Paradise is it only goes on 7 and 10 day trips out of Miami!!
Just some food for thought! It is a beautiful trip and it was hard to go back to a smoking ship after the non-smoking ship. I wish ALL lines would follow suit!!!
Heidi

wdwobsessed

02-16-2002, 05:41 PM

OMG people. Get a grip.

I'm not a smoker ... but DH is and BARS are the ONE place that smokers are free to enjoy thier vice.

I think the fact that the restaurants , rooms, theateres, and most inside areas are smoke free should appease.

And YES, Disney does have to think about smoking because a lot of people do it.... and most BARS do allow smoking.... at least where I live.

Why anyone would consider not going on a cruise (unless you are allergic) because a few adult nightclub (BAR) areas have smoking in them ..... well .. I just don't understand it.

Now before you kill me ... I hate smoke .... DH is not allowed to smoke in the house.... we always get non-smoking rooms when we go somewhere and he goes outside or to the BAR for a smoke.

But .... if we go out to a BAR ... I expect it. After all it is a BAR and a lot of people who smoke, drink. People who like to smoke have a hard time not doing it while drinking.

I'm a big woman .... and some people may not like looking at me in a bathingsuit ... in fact, they may find it offensive ... but hey, does that mean that I should not get to go swimming?

I'm not saying that non-smokers SUCH AS MYSELF do not deserve areas where we can be free from the smoke ... and it seems that on DCL there are plenty of those types of areas.

I'm only saying that people who DO smoke ... deserve an area to be able to smoke if they want.......... whether you agree with it or not.

And .. thinking about all the places on the ship that are smoke free ... about 80% it seems .... let them have thier 20%.

Ok .. slam me now.

wdwo

disneyholic family

02-16-2002, 05:53 PM

wdwobsessed...

i'm not going to slam you...
this has only to do with me and my family....
i was very very very much looking forwards to the adult nightclubs....
that was at the top of my list.....
and now i find out that i won't be able to go there....
i'm glad i found out now, but i'm very very very very disappointed...
i was so looking forwards to this cruise..
i'd much rather go with disney than anyone else..
and i kind of doubt i exactly fall into the typical carnival cruise passenger category...
at least with disney i have the disney part of it in common with others...
but the smoke is a serious issue...
i'm not allergic...i just can't stand it.....
neither can my kids..
and i know they'll be even more disappointed than i am not to be going on this cruise...it was their idea after all.....

northsouth

02-16-2002, 06:11 PM

WDWO, thank you!! you are so right.

And disneyholic I understand your concerns too. But on a Disney ship the nonsmokers FAR outnumber the smokers, at least on the 2 cruises I've been on. I confess DH and I both smoke, at least I like to smoke when I drink, he is a heavier smoker than I, but we are both quite considerate about where we smoke. We had a verandah cabin and did not smoke on the verandah because we overheard our next door neighbors making a comment. So we always went up to Deck 10 where there is always a fresh breeze blowing, or to Deck 4 and made sure we did not invade a nonsmokers space. And yes we did smoke in the bars (but didn't go much to the bars because we had late dinner and were too tired after dinner to go anywhere) but that is allowed. And I realize that is a disappointment if you wanted to enjoy the adult clubs, but there are very few refuges anymore for smokers. I agree, it is a dirty nasty addiction and I am sorry I ever started smoking (thinking seriously about quitting too but DH probably won't).

Anyway, that is all beside the point, but you should be aware that smoking is not rampant on a Disney ship like it is on some other cruise lines. But if you feel that strongly do check out Paradise, I am sure it is clean and beautiful.

fireplug

02-16-2002, 06:17 PM

disneyholic family
So fill us in on why the "kids" will be disapointed not going to the CLUBS which have an age limit on them anyway?:confused:

inkkognito

02-16-2002, 06:30 PM

I'll throw my two cents in once again (and remember, this is from the perspective of a person who is very allergic to smoke):
While I would be very glad if smoking were not allowed in the bars, the other excellent aspects of Disney Cruise Line outweigh the limitations on my spending a lot of time in the bars. The 70s party is the only time we spend in Wavebands, and believe me, there is never a shortage of other things to do. I would prefer a smoke-free ship, and I'm sure I would LOVE the Paradise (we spoke with an RCCL crew member who told us that Carnival HAS put people off for smoking quite frequently...seems smokers take that cruise thinking it will be a good way to quit cold turkey, and then they get desperate for their fix). But overall, I love Disney Cruise Line, and the other advantages outweigh the fact that I have to restrict myself in a few activities to avoid the smoke.
Barb
Visit the Platinum Castaway Club at: www.*****************

Pluto4President

02-16-2002, 09:22 PM

Well, I spent most nights in the clubs on the Magic. Rockin Bar D was smoking, and from what I saw, most of US smokers sat on the upper level. That's what I noticed anyway, while I sat at the bar and smoked. Granted, I consider myself a considerate smoker. Off Beat was non-smoking, but I believe smoking was allowed in Sessions. Never went to sessions though.

On the other topic, the only night that Rockin Bar D didn't have a decent crows was on the LAST night.

I also, eat in non-smoking areas and get non-smoking rooms. Don't much care for smoke myself. I really didn't see it as a problem on the boat at all. Plus, smokers usually congregate and talk about the others :) (non-smokers)

Just my 2 cents :smooth:

disneyholic family

02-17-2002, 12:13 AM

Hi fireplug...

my kids are even more turned off by smoke and smokers than i am...
they turn veritably green if a smoker gets on an elevator with them (have you ever smelled a smoker in close proximity??????)...
since the ship is a somewhat closed place those smells must travel....
and if there's smoking on the open decks that would mean that any open deck the kids walk on will be a smoke-filled zone...
when WDW first became totally non-smoking it was actually enforced and my kids were as happy as can be...
last summer we discovered to our chagrin that the smokers (admittedly mostly european and south american) were smoking everywhere (not just in the designated zones of the theme parks) and the CMs ignored it....
now you may say it was outdoors and what's the big deal when you're outside.....
well.....when you're bothered by cigarette smoke, even the smoke from one cigarette somewhere in your vicinity will be upsetting...
i'm sure the boat smells.....it has to....
and i suppose the rooms smell too, simply by virtue of smokers having been in them (whether they smoked or not)....
to give you an idea of how much it disturbs us, once at the beach club resort they upgraded us to a larger room (slightly larger with a very large balcony and water view).....we were thrilled....until we stepped inside....it reaked of cigarettes.....my daughter wouldn't even stay for the 5 minutes it took me to call the desk to tell them we couldn't take that room, regardless of the upgrade.....so we waited a few hours and were put in a standard room with a standard view but without the stench of smoke.....we were content....
does that answer your question fireplug?

aprilgail2

02-17-2002, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Pluto4President
Deck 9 in the mickey pool section is designated Non- Smoking.

Is the MickeyPool the baby pool or is it a pool ok for the 14 ear old I am bringing?? The little boy already has cancer and it makes him absolutely nuts when people are smoking next to him, I always said that if he grows up he is one kid I would never have to worry about taking up smoking since he already had first hand experience what it can do to you. I certainly would not cancel the cruise due to people smoking on there though, that would be a bit drastic, we will just move around to avoid it.....my big turn off is someone near me smoking while I am eating, and since that is not allowed I can deal with the rest, though I really do hope that the person next to us doesn't sit on their verandah and smoke!

Pluto4President

02-17-2002, 08:29 AM

The mickey pool is the "kids" pool, but plenty of adults are in there as well. It's only about 1½ feet deep.

atigeg

02-17-2002, 09:07 AM

I can detect a smoker lighting up a mile away, and I have to say that Disney's ship and rooms do not smell of smoke, with the exception of a very few areas. The nightclub area can get pretty bad, and when the Promenade Lounge used to allow smoking, you could smell it all the way to Guest Services. But not that is no longer a problem (thanks, Disney!). The only area that still smells is around the nightclubs, and that is a very small area of the ship. I LOVE the fact that the rooms don't smell...that is one of my biggest pet peeves about hotels.
The only other place I've noticed that smell is when being near people (in an elevator or whatever) that are smokers. I swear, they must have no idea how severely they reek of it. I think they just get used to it and don't notice anymore.
I recently read that Holland America just banned smoking in their diningrooms. Can you imagine?!
Barb
Visit the Platinum Castaway Club at: www.*****************

TnRobin

02-17-2002, 09:12 AM

Guys,

If this thread continues on the course it is taking, I will move it to the debate board. Please return to the original topic and question of the poster.

Each person needs to make his or her own decision on whether they will be affected by the fact that the Wonder and Magic are not non-smoking.

Werner Weiss

02-17-2002, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by TnRobin
If this thread continues on the course it is taking, I will move it to the debate board. Please return to the original topic and question of the poster.
Actually, I think this thread has been quite civil. There's been good information to help smokers and non-smokers know what to expect on the Disney ships.

I'm both encouraged and discouraged by what Barb wrote. I don't suppose there's much of a chance that the nightclubs will soon become non-smoking areas.

TnRobin

02-17-2002, 09:41 AM

While some of the responses are constructive, others are very unconstructive.

The original question was where can this person smoke and stay within the wishes of DCL.

This board is not the place to debate whether some people's decision to smoke will ruin the entire cruise for their family.

disneyholic family

02-17-2002, 09:58 AM

20% of the adults on the ship smoke?..
wow.....how many passengers on the ship?....2,600?....
of which probably 50% are kids....so that leaves 1300...
20% of that?....260?....that's a lot of smoke in a small space...

everyone has their pros and cons for doing anything...
disney is a pro....the smoke is a con....
i'll present this new information to the kids and let them decide....

taswira

02-17-2002, 10:09 AM

I agree. In nearly every area of the ship, smoking is NOT a problem. The adult clubs were the only real problem. And yes, Studio Sea is NON-smoking.

If you are going to cruise, I definitely recommend DCL. Your kids will love it. You will love it. Everything else about the ship and the cruise more than makes up for the second-hand-smoke-in-certain-areas situation. In spite of the Carnival Paradise being non-smoking, I still prefer DCL. On any cruise line forum, you will read pros and cons. Nothing is perfect on any cruise, but Disney comes as close as it can get!

Timon

02-17-2002, 12:14 PM

I smoked for 10 years...quit on my 25th birthday (almost 5 years now!) so I can see both sides of the story. (and you all know how terrible we former-smokers are :) I am allergic to smoke and so is my husband. We just returned 2 weeks ago from the Disney Magic and I must say that the only time we had a problem was the 70's night in Rockin Bar D. We were in Rockin Bar D two previous times and it was full but not jam-packed and we were just fine sitting on the lower level. We are both very alert to any smoke in the vicinity and on top of that, to us Canadians, U.S. cigarettes are WAY stronger than what we are used to here in Canada. Having said that, I was impressed that we weren't bothered by the smoke more often. On the 70's night, however, the place WAS jam-packed and it was VERY noticeable, so we left. I would have loved to stay, but it certainly didn't ruin our trip because we didn't see it. We saw many people smoking on Decks 4, 9 & 10 but it's so windy and open that we didn't even notice any kind of smell even with people smoking pretty close to us. If we had, we would have just gotten up and moved to a different spot. Being a ex-smoker, I HATE smoke....it just disgusts me now and I can't BELIEVE that I used to smell like that! ( I have apologized to my hubby for ever smelling bad MANY times :) but I also understand that people have the right to smoke and I expect it in certain places I visit...like a BAR or DANCE CLUBS, which is why we don't go to places like that. That's just life! Having a huge love for Disney, I wouldn't recommend cancelling your trip because of this issue. It's a great ship with so many things for people of all ages. Missing a few things in Rockin Bar D won't ruin your cruise. Plus, you can also try sitting next to some people who aren't smoking, you might just be ok there. As for elevators, we only used them twice and using the stairs helps keep those extra pounds off! I hope you keep your reservation with Disney as it is a MAGICAL ship!

Dave_from_Marietta

02-17-2002, 01:04 PM

I certainly wasn't aware that smoking isn't allowed near the Mickey pool. Is this new? If not, it certainly wasn't visibly marked or enforced on our 5/26 cruise last year.

CarolAnnC

02-17-2002, 01:30 PM

Smoking is allowed there also. All of deck 9 is an open area and all pool areas do allow smoking. The snack and beverage bars poolside all have ashtrays available for use. Again, I have not found this to be an issue, and doubt people would have problems with this on the cruise. No more than visiting WDW or staying at a WDW resort would be a problem. Or anywhere else for that matter. BTW, I am a non-smoker. :)

Pluto4President

02-17-2002, 02:01 PM

I beg to differ. There were definately posted signs near the Mickey pool, Port Side, that stated NO SMOKING, on the 1/19 cruise.

What's that, Dave didn't know something? :D

disneyholic family

02-17-2002, 03:47 PM

the kids asked the following:

is there smoking on the sports deck (where the basketball is)?

they don't care about the pool area so much during the day (they have no intention of swimming on the ship), except in terms of getting something to eat there (specifically the ice cream)......is there smoking in that area (where the ice cream is)?...

they feel they will frequent the pool deck during parties....
they would like to know whether the smoking is bad during the parties on deck?....

as for WDW....the theme parks are completely no smoking except for very limited designated areas around the parks....however they were much stricter about it in the first year they instituted the policy....last year there were far less vigilent.....

northsouth

02-17-2002, 05:51 PM

The sports deck is on deck 10 far forward at the very front of the ship, a very windy area but it does have a windsreen to block the heavy breezes for the benefit of the sports area. I rarely saw anyone smoking that far forward though. It is just too windy generally, especially while at sea.

Actually the only place I noticed any smoke was in the bars, they are not as well ventilated as they could be, in my opinion. Even being a smoker I do not like second hand smoke, if I smoke it has to be in a well ventilated area (I sometimes wonder why I even smoke!!) The open decks are very breezy and any smoke dissipates pretty quickly. Plus there just are not a lot of smokers on a Disney ship anyway, compared to the general population.

And yes, the Mickey pool area has now been designated nonsmoking, the only area on deck 9 where I saw any smoking was near the adult pool and Signals bar.

willow0256

02-17-2002, 07:31 PM

My only concern, Disneyholic, is if your primary reason for going on the Disney Cruise is the adult clubs, as you stated, then there might be a better alternative you could find for your family vacation. First of all, kids aren't allowed in the adult clubs. Second, there are probably bars in your home town that prohibit smoking, and their is no need to go on a cruise simply to go to an adult night club. The Disney Cruise is an overall experience, filled with wonderful magic, theatre, food, incredible service, vista spa and excursions on the island. Generally, the night club action is a very small percentage of the time spent on the cruise. I've never noticed any smell of smoke in any of the rooms, nor had any problems encountering smoke on the decks. And I would not consider the Disney Cruise Line to be "small" for the amount of smokers on board. I can understand if you cannot stand the smell of smoke on an individual, but I would trust you run into that same delima in any of your day to day travels or restaurants. I think anyone who cannot tolerate smoking (and I understand those who are, or who have medical conditions that it aggreavates) should not attend any vacation where smoking will be present, if it is that bothersome. Cruises cost too much to "not enjoy". If smoking is going to ruin all the wonderful things the cruise has to offer, there is no sense in making yourself, or the kids, miserable. Perhaps I am just a very "unobservant" person, but it has never been an issue to me. And the fun we've had as a family has been incredible, along with the service! Nothing could keep me away from the Disney Cruise Line! (and that hasn't meant things have always been perfect. But overall, it has been a wonderful and magical experience). :bounce:

CarolAnnC

02-17-2002, 07:35 PM

Yes, Pluto that must be something brand new. In fact, those are the only signs I have ever heard of for "No Smoking" on the entire ship. Interesting!

Limmer

02-17-2002, 07:59 PM

I have too add my 2cents worth here, there were only 2 odours I found offensive on our Oct cruise. The 1st one was people who wear WAY too much perfume and the people who needed a little perfume ;) . I noticed a few people in the elevators who maybe thought bathing was optional on vacation and people who bathed in their perfume. And no I am not a smoker and yes I am asthmatic with a very low tolerance for cigarette smoke. (I make my husband smoke outsideand must brush his teeth after each one.)

Dave_from_Marietta

02-17-2002, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by willow0256

First of all, kids aren't allowed in the adult clubs.

Actually, there is programming for families in the adult clubs. Here are some excerpts from recent 7-day Navigators:

Saturday, 7:45pm - 8:15
Family Pianos: Fast-fingered fun for everyone in The Off Beat Club (Everyone Welcome).

Sunday, 7:45pm
Cabaret Show Time: Starring Rich Purpura, "The Greatest Magician in the World" (Almost). Rockin' Bar D (Everyone Welcome).

Sunday, 7:45pm - 8:30pm
Family Pianos: The kookiest keyboardists afloat in The Off Beat Club (Everyone Welcome).

Monday, 7:30pm
Cabaret Show Time with the Comedy & Juggling of Chuck Gunter, Rockin' Bar D (Everyone Welcome).

Monday, 7:45pm - 8:15pm
Family Pianos: Craziness for the Kids & You! The Off Beat Club (Everyone Welcome).

Wednesday, 7:45pm
Cabaret Show Time: Starring the Comedy & Music of Gary Delena. Rockin' Bar D.

Wednesday, 7:45pm - 8:30pm
Family Pianos: The kookiest keyboardists afloat in The Off Beat Club (Everyone Welcome).

Thursday, 2:00pm
Talent Show Signups: Those guest who have already signed up for tomorrow's show, please report to Off-Beat for a run through of your specialty.

Thursday, 2:30pm
Line Dancing with the Cruise Staff. Rockin' Bar D.

Thursday, 7:45pm
Cabaret Show Time with the Comedy & Ventriloquism of Michael Harrison. Rockin' Bar D (Everyone Welcome).

Thursday, 7:45pm - 8:15pm
Family Pianos: Fast-fingered fun for everyone in The Off Beat Club (Everyone Welcome).

Friday, 7:30 - 8:30pm
Family Talent Show: Join your fellow Guests, James and Greg for this fun event. Rockin' Bar D (Everyone Welcome).

I can tell you that these family shows at Rockin' Bar D are very popular... often "Standing Room Only". My DW and I tried to attend one evening. We finally found one seat. I stood while my DW sat, and the lady next to us lit up a cigarette. Everyone else in the audience seemed to be enjoying the show... and the performers were certainly talented, but we couldn't enjoy the show because of this one lady.

willow0256

02-17-2002, 08:50 PM

I am not a smoking advocate, but it sounds like from the responses to the post, that you guys never encountering smoking anywhere except on the Disney Cruise. Have you not been in an elevator in "other places" where you have smelt smoke? Have you not been to a restaurant and walked through the smoking section and smelt smoke? Do you not have some distant or close relative/friend that smokes? The problem with smoking is not a "Disney" issue, but a national issue. I don't think Disney is going to be able to set out to right all of America's wrongs. Disney is no different than any other vacation area (except for the few non-smoking cruises). I agree with one's right to avoid smokers, and those people should go on a non-smoking cruise. I don't understand why you would go on a cruise where you know smoking is permitted (even though it is in very limited areas), and then complain about it. Do you think the adult clubs should not serve alcohol because a recovering alcoholic may be cruising? Should there be no medical staff, because some religions don't believe in medical assistance? Should there be no seafood because some people are alergic to shellfish? We live in an imperfect world. I think the stress that some people are putting upon theirselves regarding this issue is more harmful than a small puff of second hand smoke. While adults are worried about second hand smoke, our teenagers our committing suicide at alarming rates. Parents fail to put their child in child restraints/child seats, and they are dying on the roads. Our educational system is failing our children, but does that mean we simply don't allow them to attend school? I agree 2nd hand smoke isn't healthy, but there are much worse issues that many families never face and confront. Because it is always easier to cast blame on others than look to their own lives. If smoking will ruin your vacation, PLEASE go on a non-smoking cruise so you can be happy.
-A Non-Smoker who realizes there are much more serious woes in the world :eek:

aprilgail2

02-17-2002, 08:59 PM

Actually being from NY we have some fairly tough smoking laws here(cigs are going up to 7.00 a pack in June here!) so I am really not bothered much locally by people smoking around me. There is no smoking even in outdoor sports complexs here, no smoking within certain feet of the front of the buildings and all restaurants are non smoking unless they have aseperate enclosed "smoke room" to keep the smoke locked in while people eat in there. When I go away on vacation I forget that not all states are the same but regardless I will just stay out of all the things that go on in the enclosed places where adults smoke on the ship.

disneyholic family

02-17-2002, 11:41 PM

thank you all for the information...

we'll take it all into consideration when making our decision...

Dave,
those things sound like fun.....exactly the type of activity i'm going on the cruise for.....i hope they have them in other places as well (the non-smoking lounge/ studio sea)...
i'm a loves music/ loves to dance sort of person (i LOVE line dancing)....i was really looking forwards to it...
we'll see....

Chattyaholic

02-18-2002, 08:31 AM

I'm a non-smoker (hubby too) and I was very concerned about smoke before our cruise on the Magic a year ago. Happy to report we were never bothered by it even once, and I'm very sensitive to smoke so was actually surprised about it. We did have a verandah room and we must have had non-smokers on either side of us as we never smelled smoke when we were out there (cigar smoke would be even worse, I think they should ban that on verandahs!!). I don't remember ever seeing anyone lighting up at the pool area, and even when we went to Rockin' D bar after dinner and the show we were never bothered by it. We went to the bar almost every night, and usually sat at one of the little round tables on the second level, right up by the railing. We thought the ventilation system worked fine. :D Maybe because the Disney ships are "family" oriented, there aren't as many smokers as on other ships? I don't know, but I wouldn't let worrying about encoutering a little bit of smoke spoil my Disney Magic cruise. It certainly didn't spoil ours! We had the best vacation we've ever had, and we can hardly wait to go back next January!!! :D