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rtphokie
10-08-2007, 09:44 AM
All are shot last week in Pirates of the Caribbean in WDW at f/1.8, ISO 1600 (unless otherwise noted) with a Canon 50mm fixed lens and a Canon Rebel XT. Pirates is a fun challenge due to the extremely low lighting conditions.

http://rtphokie.smugmug.com/photos/205379225-M.jpg
Our first glimpse of Captain Jack. 0.125s (1/8)

http://rtphokie.smugmug.com/photos/205383260-M.jpg
http://rtphokie.smugmug.com/photos/205385074-M.jpg
We wants the redhead. 0.02s (1/50)

http://rtphokie.smugmug.com/photos/205409168-M.jpg
love the tattooed parrot 0.05s (1/20)

http://rtphokie.smugmug.com/photos/205389596-M.jpg
I was naughty and used a flash there at the end. f/4.5 0.0166s (1/60)

http://rtphokie.smugmug.com/photos/205391505-M.jpg
He looks much more plastic in a still photo with a telephoto lens. Okay I used a flash twice. We were the only ones in the boat.
Canon 200-300mm USM f5.6

http://rtphokie.smugmug.com/photos/205426691-M.jpg
http://rtphokie.smugmug.com/photos/205424532-M.jpg
The show Jack Sparrow puts on outside the attraction is not to be missed. f/5.6, 0.01s (1/100), ISO 200

mikamah
10-08-2007, 10:13 AM
YOU USED A FLASH!!!!!:scared1: Daring aren't ya?
Great pictures. I'm happy to see what that lens will do. I just got it too, but haven't done too much with it yet.

Golf4food
10-08-2007, 04:30 PM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to see it does it make a sound?

If a flash goes off in an empty Pirates of the Caribbean and there is nobody else around, does it really matter?

Nah. :)

Nice shots.

boBQuincy
10-08-2007, 06:41 PM
Is it ok to break the rules if we think no one is looking?
No flash means no flash. Newbies look up to the people on this board and it doesn't look good when we post photos of us breaking the rules.

rtphokie
10-08-2007, 06:49 PM
Is it ok to break the rules if we think no one is looking?
No flash means no flash. Newbies look up to the people on this board and it doesn't look good when we post photos of us breaking the rules.

Lighten up Francis.

Gdad
10-08-2007, 06:50 PM
Your camera figured out the white balance better than mine. That ride drives me nutz.

Colleen27
10-08-2007, 07:37 PM
Wow, those are some great shots inside the ride! And great timing to see what the large aperture lens can do, as I'm sitting here debating ordering a 50mm f1.7 for my Sony A100.

Gdad
10-08-2007, 08:00 PM
Lighten up Francis.

Okey-dokey Sergeant Hulka. :rolleyes1

rtphokie
10-08-2007, 08:06 PM
Your camera figured out the white balance better than mine. That ride drives me nutz.

Have any luck with Haunted Mansion? Take the red cast to everything in Pirates and replace it with blue on the Haunted Mansion:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2232/1519270699_f2fbfb8666_o.jpg

I was surprised how 2D her face looks, especially since guests are passing this effect by 90+ degrees. I figured this figure was done the same way as the singing busts (moving images projected on a smooth but 3D surface).

This is the only shot I had from the Haunted Mansion that came out worth a @#$%^&

Gdad
10-08-2007, 08:45 PM
Yes- I took quite a few of her. I agree the rest of the ride is tuff- especially with a 3yo who has a death grip on your right arm. :scared:

http://scl.smugmug.com/photos/205856323-O.jpg


Have any luck with Haunted Mansion? Take the red cast to everything in Pirates and replace it with blue on the Haunted Mansion:

I was surprised how 2D her face looks, especially since guests are passing this effect by 90+ degrees. I figured this figure was done the same way as the singing busts (moving images projected on a smooth but 3D surface).

This is the only shot I had from the Haunted Mansion that came out worth a @#$%^&

Code
10-09-2007, 02:50 AM
Yes- I took quite a few of her. I agree the rest of the ride is tuff- especially with a 3yo who has a death grip on your right arm. :scared:

Wow Gdad, that is a really great shot, and you too rtphokie (I agree about the 2D face). I only had 1 shot at her and didn't do very well. We were there on re-opening day and waited at the Fantasyland rope drop and were in the 2nd group on, but we still didn't have time for a second ride as we had an ADR to catch then our flight home. I didn't do nearly as well as yours, I regretted not getting one axe drawn. Next time :)

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z112/xavarri/potd/P9133176_LR_NN.jpg

Code
10-09-2007, 03:07 AM
Oh and here are my 3 attempts at Pirates even remotely worth salvaging. Pretty sure I can do better on this ride next time, too. These were taken on day 2 of owning my 30mm f1.4 and I was still getting the hang of dealing with razor thin DoF.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/xavarri2/P9062021_sRGB_LR_NN_800.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/xavarri2/P9062030_sRGB_LR_NN_800.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/xavarri2/P9062035_sRGB_LR_NN_800.jpg

MICKEY88
10-09-2007, 08:23 AM
Wow, those are some great shots inside the ride! And great timing to see what the large aperture lens can do, as I'm sitting here debating ordering a 50mm f1.7 for my Sony A100.

you should be able to find a Minolta 50mm 1.7 for under 100

Groucho
10-09-2007, 08:48 AM
For comparison, here's the bride from Disneyland's HM... looks a bit different. This was ISO 3200 and didn't grab focus terribly well... I'm thinking that continuous focus might work better on a ride than regular AF.

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/3604-4/2007DL-042.jpg

As for flash, there's always boats in front and behind you...... it'd be tough to find a time when you're not going to distract someone. I admit that I'm a stickler on this - in fact, I emailed one of the websites recently (AllEarsNet? MousePlanet?) after they posted a bunch of flash photos from HM after it reopened. Besides, the photos with flash usually look bad as the animatronics aren't designed to be seen under such harsh lighting.

Code, how are you liking the Sigma 30mm F1.4? I wouldn't mind one of those some day, although I'd leaning towards saving up for the Pentax 31mm F1.8 although it costs at least twice as much... decisions decisions. :)

Gdad
10-09-2007, 09:32 AM
Code, how are you liking the Sigma 30mm F1.4?

I have been looking at that lens also. Seems like a good value.

Code
10-10-2007, 12:36 AM
I'm thinking that continuous focus might work better on a ride than regular AF.

I was thinking the same. Here's what I am going to try next time: continuous shutter, C-AF with release priority off (will not fire without focus lock), and shutter priority set to the slowest I think I can get away with to get mostly blur-free shots (if aperture is maxed, underexposed > blurry, right?). Maybe even go a little beyond that and just pray to the gods of image stabilization ;) Then I can just concentrate on a focus point, hold the button, and the camera will rapid fire shots whenever focus lock triggers.

Sound OK?

I hadn't previously tried C-AF very much, but when I did I didn't have much luck because the kit lenses couldn't really keep up (too slow initiating focus moves, too slow actually moving, too many false focus locks). The Sigma 30mm is HSM, though, and I did a test today shooting as described above while approaching the subject at a brisk walk and it kept up very well with very few false locks. Wish I had thought of this at Disney.. oh well, next time!

Code, how are you liking the Sigma 30mm F1.4? I wouldn't mind one of those some day, although I'd leaning towards saving up for the Pentax 31mm F1.8 although it costs at least twice as much... decisions decisions. :)
I have been looking at that lens also. Seems like a good value.

I'm not speaking from any experience with primes besides this one, but I like it. It's my first high speed focusing lens, which is fun, and my first real experience with large aperture/thin DoF. I'm using a 4/3rds camera so the 35mm equiv is 60mm, which in terms of shooting at WDW with it as my only night/indoor lens worked out reasonably well, and for its main purpose at home (indoor candids, and portraits) it is perfect. It is definitely a little soft wide open, but that is to be expected.

Code
10-10-2007, 11:28 AM
I wouldn't mind one of those some day, although I'd leaning towards saving up for the Pentax 31mm F1.8 although it costs at least twice as much... decisions decisions. :)

Oh and I was in the same boat pretty much, there is a Panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4 for 4/3rds that is apparently superb, but at twice the price I had to go for value to fill the need of the moment.

JR6ooo4
10-10-2007, 11:51 AM
YOU USED A FLASH!!!!!:scared1: Daring aren't ya?

The daring part is admitting here that you used flash in a dark ride...

Mikeeee

Gdad
10-10-2007, 12:08 PM
It is definitely a little soft wide open, but that is to be expected.

Why do you say that? The sample images (http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/30_14_ex_dc_hsm) I saw did not look soft to me...:confused3

Code
10-11-2007, 06:11 PM
Why do you say that? The sample images (http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/30_14_ex_dc_hsm) I saw did not look soft to me...:confused3

At the pixel-peeping level, the difference in sharpness between f1.4 and say f2.0 or f2.8 is (if just barely) apparent, but at normal print or screen size the overall reduction in sharpness isn't noticable to me.. I can post an example later tonight if you want. I only included the info in my thoughts about the lens because it seems like every review I have read of a fast prime lens talked about sharpness wide open vs not.. and very few (any?) perform as well wide open as they do 1 or 2 stops down.

Groucho
10-12-2007, 08:39 AM
I did a little checking and it sounds like the common opinion on the Sigma 30mm F1.4 is that it is extremely sharp right in the middle but gets worse as you get to the edges. Some like this as it gives it a somewhat unique look, some want sharpness across the whole lens.

I think I'm going to keep saving up for the Pentax 31mm F1.8 but if I find a good deal in the meantime that may change... just a few days ago, I just missed a used Sigma 24mm F1.8 for a good price.

Too bad only the OEMs and Sigma seem interested in fast wide-angle primes. :( It'd be nice to see some competition from Tamron, Tokina, etc.

Gdad
10-12-2007, 06:20 PM
I think I am going to just keep saving for the Nikon 85/1.4

Code
10-12-2007, 06:23 PM
I did a little checking and it sounds like the common opinion on the Sigma 30mm F1.4 is that it is extremely sharp right in the middle but gets worse as you get to the edges.

I haven't really noticed this but that could have something to do with the 4/3rds crop factor.

Groucho
10-14-2007, 07:52 PM
I was reading the reviews at Photozone (http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/index.html). They reviewed both the Canon-mount and Pentax-mount versions and as expected, came to basically the same conclusion on both (since they're the same lens, just different mount).

I'll quote the Pentax review.

The Sigma AF 30mm f/1.4 EX DC is a lens with a mission - to achieve the highest center resolution there is without caring too much about the rest. The border performance of the Sigma is soso at f/1.4 and only good beyond, the vignetting is high at large apertures and neither CAs nor distortions are overly impressive for a fix-focal length lens.

A quite strange design priority but there're applications for this. This is a pretty interesting lens if you want to isolate a (near-centered) object from the rest of the scene using an ultra-large aperture setting. The quality of the bokeh (out-of-focus blur) depends somewhat on the background/foreground structure - it can look "smeary" close to the image borders if the scene is a bit nervous. This is probably a side effect of the low resolution here. In coarse structured scenes the bokeh can be quite smooth and buttery though.

I think that this point, for me it's between the Pentax 35mm F2.0 and the Pentax 31mm F1.8 - preferably the latter as it's absolutely legendary but fairly pricey. Their new rebates will come out this week, we'll see what they say...

miss missy
10-16-2007, 04:39 AM
Yes- I took quite a few of her. I agree the rest of the ride is tuff- especially with a 3yo who has a death grip on your right arm. :scared:

http://scl.smugmug.com/photos/205856323-O.jpg

I have some, I wonder what I got now LOl (I am not home) these are before the changed tho.