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PamOKW
02-14-2002, 01:44 PM
As of 2:00 p.m. today it looks like the majority of people at each resort fall into the 30-50 age group at roughly the same percentages. OKW 76%, BWV 70% and WLV 81%.

OKW’s poll was confusing on the Under 30 question so I haven’t included an amount for them in that category.

For Under 30, BWV has 12% and WLV 10%. For 30-40, OKW has 33%, BWV 36%, and WLV 45%. For 41-50, OKW has 43%, BWV has 34% and WLV has 36%. 50-59 is at 18% for both OKW and BWV and 6% for WLV. Over 60, has 6% at OKW and 3% at WLV.

BWV breaks out pretty evenly between the 30-40 group and the 41-50 group. OKW leans toward the 41-50 bracket and WLV towards the 30-40 group. Looks like we’re basically the same with WLV leaning slightly younger.

No 60+ members at BWV??

PKS44
02-14-2002, 02:17 PM
SO for OVER 50- the numbers are-

OKW 24%
BWV 18%
WLV-9%

OKW is an older group. There are 50% more older folks by percentage than BWV and more than double compared to WLV.

Multiply those percentages by the much larger total group for OKW and sorry, no matter how you slice it...there are more "O" folks at OKW than at the other resorts.

Paul

DVC-Don
02-14-2002, 02:37 PM
That's sort of what I heard from a CM about the owners at OKW being an older group. Being a past EMS worker I got into a discussion of deaths in Disney Resorts. I know, weird conversation, huh? An ambulance came through Priority 1 (lights & siren, I think that's how it started.) Anyway he said that most of the deaths in a Disney resort are at DVC resorts, with OKW having the most of the DVC resorts. His statement now, not mine, "They're an older bunch over there you know."

Beth
02-14-2002, 02:46 PM
What is the point of this discussion?!?

How many OKW members were there when Boardwalk first opened - in '96, right? 20,000? I know there were 25,000, total, in '97. That's approximately 20,000 members who had 5-6 years on those that FIRST bought into BWV. It could easily account for the higher percentages of OKW'ers being in a higher bracket, couldn't it?

I know "I've" jumped an age bracket since we bought into OKW - I was a 20-30 when we bought in. I don't consider myself old, and I "still" prefer OKW over either of the other two Disney properties. Why does that lump me in as "old?"

I'm just trying to understand...

PKS44
02-14-2002, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Beth
What is the point of this discussion?!?


There are many reasons why OKW might be an "older" crowd...we were trying to see if the perception that it seems older is reality...it appears it is...the discussion stems from the apparent disinterest in changing the OKW main pool-as Disney has done with every other older pool.

Those of us in favor of seeing change suspect that the older demographic at OKW prizes quiet pools over children squealing with delight (or whatever), stability over change. They don't like new styles, new music, or new ideas. They tend to be conservative rather than experimental. Older people tend to resist change.
In other words we can probably forget about ever seeing OKW changing that main pool.

Granny
02-14-2002, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by PamOKW
No 60+ members at BWV?? Well, there used to be some 60+ aged members but they all keeled over trying to get from the elevators to their rooms! :D :D :D

PamOKW
02-14-2002, 04:08 PM
That's what I was thinking, Granny. ;)

Paul -- Unless you are kidding I think you are taking this way too seriously.

At the time I looked at the numbers, there were 17 people in the 51-60 category at BWV or 18.48% of that total. At OKW there were 19 people in the 50-59 category or 17.92%. We can round them both to 18%....or we can say BWV is slightly older. ;)

The difference in total people over 50 is the 6 people over 60 at OKW vs. none at BWV. Considering we may have folks trying to sway the vote to older....I don't see where those 6 people make OKW an old folks home.

As we all know, there is much more space in the rooms at OKW making them perfect for family gatherings....multi-generational family gatherings where people are likely to have a medical emergency.

PamOKW
02-14-2002, 04:12 PM
They don't like new styles, new music, or new ideas. They tend to be conservative rather than experimental.


LOL!! We're drawing an awful lot of conclusions from this stupid, totally unscientific survey. They don't like new things, yet they are here on the Internet discussing their DVC purchase. Most of them are older because they are from the older resort where they've owned for 10 years. The folks who are in their 50's now were in their 40's when they purchased and they took a chance on a experimental concept called DVC. ;) ;)

Werner Weiss
02-14-2002, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by PamOKW
LOL!! We're drawing an awful lot of conclusions from this stupid, totally unscientific survey. They don't like new things, yet they are here on the Internet discussing their DVC purchase.

Thank you for putting the remarks about "older people" into perspective! My first reaction was to find the remarks offensive, although I'm in my 40s. I agree that it's healthier just to laugh.

GAIL HAYDEN
02-14-2002, 05:56 PM
Pam,
Nicely said.
For the record I do like new music, I do like to try new things, I do resist change, but most people do. I don't really feel I need to defend, however, the fact that my age is just something that happens naturally and something I have no control over. I am not too old to have an open mind, a very important tool, btw, for fighting ignorance.
It is a shame that some intolerant people ,who cannot get their own way, will point the finger and say it is because Old Key West has Old people.
Disney can improve all the resort pools they want, but, Disney itself does not own DVC, members own DVC.
The vast majority of your unscientific poll and DVC's member polls state that they don't want a pool with a slide. Simple, easy and hopefully, the end of it.
Now, tell me, Pam, how is the thought of an ADULT's only MEMBER pub going? ;)

PKS44
02-14-2002, 06:11 PM
Pam-

First, I find this all very interesting and amusing, nothing to take seriously... if you knew my day job, you'd know I need something this inconsequential to distract me...

The survey may or may not be accurate. It is the only data we have. If it represents the truth, it would fit with everything we know and have heard here on these boards. The EMS comment posted here confirms what I think the surveys show. OKW is made up of a larger percentage and a greater number of older people than the other resorts. Why dispute it? I did not say that makes it bad. I think it explains why the resort is the way it is, and why some people do or do not like it according to their own philosophy of family vacation. Today my wife told me she would not like OKW no matter how great the pool was- too quiet and far from the shops, the restaurants, the action....That probably causes shudders in some people, that is not the point.... The point is that making the pool more family- oriented (as Disney would do if they owned it) and less "grown-up/old" would not change the atmosphere-OKW would still be the quiet, peaceful, relaxing and beautiful golf course resort it always will be...unless they add a bunch of night clubs, restaurants, shops, etc...and no one suggested that they should.

Presumably the OKW group is older because they have been around longer, but that still makes them older. ( When they bought into the new idea of DVC they were younger.) Older people whether you or I like it, (and I do not) in general, do tend to behave and think in certain ways. Not all people, not every old person, but the whole science of surveys depends on the idea that groups can be represented somewhat accurately by a portion of the whole. These thoughts about how older people think are not based on these threads or surveys, but on observation of how people in general behave. If you read through the various OKW pool threads, the sentiment expressed seems to me to be one I would expect from an older demographic. "Less noise," "fewer kids," "adults only"...these are not what you would expect to hear from young families, but empty nesters--either the always childless or currently childless if the kids have grown (as in older people). What would be so bad about that if it were the truth? Why would you dispute it? It would explain a lot.

Paul

Werner Weiss
02-14-2002, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by PKS44
OKW is made up of a larger percentage and a greater number of older people than the other resorts. Why dispute it? I did not say that makes it bad. I think it explains why the resort is the way it is, and why some people do or do not like it according to their own philosophy of family vacation.
The resort "is the way it is" because that's how Disney designed it!

And it's not as though there's a homeowners association of elected senior OKW owners calling the shots.

When somebody buys into a timeshare (and, yes, DVC is a timeshare), they expect to be able to enjoy the resort for many years, consistent with what they saw when they bought. The timeshare management company has an obligation to manage the property prudently, both to keep annual costs reasonable and to make sure that the owners get what they bought.

Of course, this raises the question of how the management company should react to changes in taste, expectations, and technology over time.

OKW, although it's ten years old, has aged gracefully. The decor and architecture don't seem dated. In comparison, we recently stayed at Marriott's Cypress Harbour in Orlando which is also around ten years old. Although we enjoyed our stay, the decor screamed "late 1980s" (which is when Cypress Harbour was designed).

GAIL HAYDEN
02-14-2002, 08:20 PM
Werner,
Ah, so nicely put, as usual. Thank you !!!!!

PKS44
02-14-2002, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by Werner Weiss

The resort "is the way it is" because that's how Disney designed it



Ah, but would Disney leave the pool the way it is if they still owned it? Doubtful. Now, it reflects its current owners.

Also, interesting- Gail points out in another thread that Disney is marketing to empty nesters and older folks. To do so they have to assume such people think as a group in a certain way. Disney designs this resort possibly to capture that market? Yet I suggest that older folks think a certain way and it is considered offensive. Do or don't age demographics reflect how people think? Quoting myself- "the older demographic at OKW prizes... stability over change. They don't like new styles, new music, or new ideas. They tend to be conservative rather than experimental. Older people tend to resist change.
In other words we can probably forget about ever seeing OKW changing that main pool." If I misunderstand the older market please correct me, and correct Madison Avenue, and Disney while you are at it. People are assigning value to subjective judgements....It is not wrong to be conservative rather than experimental--to prefer the old and not the new---give me old Penn Station over new Penn Station ..It is not attacking to note the market preferences of certain age groups...it is not intolerant..but calling people names just because they don't share your opinion is. We can differ in our perceptions of pools and people, but it is wrong to start attacking people.

The real difference of opinion here is that I don't share the sense that a change in the pool would alter the resort atmosphere or theme to any degree. OKW is a large and lovely resort. I was hoping that the owners would treat it's pool the same way Disney would if they owned it. Others VEHEMENTLY feel any pool change would seriously damage the peace and tranquility of the resort. I don't see it and I am trying to understand why anyone would think that it would.

From what I have read and understand about the demographics of OKW, it looks like it will not be changing the main pool. Is that true or not? Is it possible the demographics have something to do with it? If they don't- where is the harm in thinking it might? Is it intolerant to suggest demographics can predict preferences?...then you should be offended by every attempt to target a demographic market.

CRobin
02-15-2002, 06:10 AM
This is certainly an interesting thread, albeit with little likely consequence.

I doubt that "demographics" will play a big role in what Disney does or doesn't do with the pool. Last I looked, OKW was SOLD OUT. That means that, save a default or two, Disney is going to get the operating expenses, property taxes, and capital budget for that resort for the next 40 years. So, "targeting" a specific age group really makes no sense.

I guess I missed the post where someone vehemently opposed changing the pool, or maybe I read it wrong. I felt the gist of those not wanting to change was "it ain't broke and we don't have a problem with it".

Pumps and valves go south. Concrete cracks. Pools break. OKW's will too (however it has certainly had a better track record than VWL;) ). When it's time for a major overhaul, Disney may decide to put in some upgrades, change the theming, or they may not. What the members think will likely be taken as a consideration but nothing more, IMHO.

Granny - you beat me to the punch with the explanation to Pams' query as to why there were no 60+ aged members @ BWV. LOL!

Towncrier
02-15-2002, 08:02 AM
Pam hit the nail on the head. When I first looked at DVC, I was in my 30's. By the time I bought at OKW, I had just turned 40. Statistics are a funny thing. You cannot compare DVC ownership without factoring in the availability date of the resorts. So far there aren't any young or old folks at all at Eagle Pines or the DVC at Disney Institute. What conclusions can you draw from that? (other than perhaps Towncrier got out of bed on the wrong side this AM).

LisaR
02-15-2002, 08:08 AM
Just my .02 cents but......
Some of us that are young, OKW members who like new things, music, styles, etc and have 2 young, noisy children don't see the point in spending money on a new pool. My kids LOVE okw pools. My kids do not have an inground pool at home. They have a 15' above ground pool that we don't get to use often as our summers stink! To go to OKW and swim in a huge pool and make new friends is something they are overly thrilled with.

In all honesty, if my kids ever complained about the OKW pools being boring, they would have some very angry parents. They get to go to Disney 2 times a year and stay in a 2 bedroom resort. They dine with the characters, go on rides, see shows, etc. And they get to swim in something that can't even compare to what they have at home. Yes, my kids are spoiled. However, they can't have every single thing in life. If a huge pool isn't good enough for them, they would spend a vacation with grandma while mom and dad went and slummed it in the OKW pools! LOL

Lisa

PamOKW
02-15-2002, 09:53 AM
There are several disparities in the way the different polls were worded that make direct comparison difficult. There was no Under 30 category for OKW. Write-in was suggested but that is not an equal option to being able to click the poll. Also, 50-59 was the category for OKW while BWV & VWL used 51-60. A 60 year old would be in a different category depending upon resort. OKW also had 41-50 and 50-59 as categories vs. 41-50 and 51-60 as the breakouts for BWV and VWL.

To try to make the comparison more apples-to-apples, I've eliminated the Under 30 votes. I'll let the disparity on the Over 60 category stand. Unfortunately, my attempts at charts don't seem to line up well here so I'll do my best to lay it out. (#) is the total number of votes

30-40 OKW 29% (36) BWV 41% (39) VWL 54% (45)
41-50 OKW 46% (57) BWV 39% (47) VWL 37% (30)
50-59 OKW 19% (23) BWV 19% (18) VWL 5% (4)
60+ OKW 6% (7) BWV 1% (1) VWL 4% (3)

Combined:

30-50 at OKW 75%; BWV 80%; VWL 91%
Over 50 at OKW 25%; BWV 20%; VWL 9%

The proposition was that age of members was the reason there was not a push for a slide at OKW. Taking just OKW votes on the slide question (with it's own imperfections) that doesn't seem to hold up. A total of 30 people identified themselves as over 50 but 75 votes were received to keep the slide as it is. It seems that votes must have come from those Under 50 as well. The breakout on that poll is:

112 OKW votes on the subject
17% for a new slide
13% for a new pool
3% for some lesser improvement
67% leave as is.

Coincidentally, this is about the same breakout of vote DVC got on their poll several years ago.

Some valid reasons to consider changes at the OKW pools have been given here and some valid rebuttals as well. Age, however, does not seem to be the deciding factor on how people feel about the pools and I don't think a huge age disparity among the DVC's has been proven either. Not wanting a slide does not mean children aren't welcome. Looking for upgrades in the adult features doesn't mean children shouldn't be considered also. No one said to make it "adult only". The GF has a much more adult feel -- the All-Star appeals more to children -- you'll find children and families at both of them because it is WDW. The same with DVC's -- maybe as their personalities develop one will be more adult and one more childlike. I'm guessing the Eagle Pine development will cater to more adult tastes trying to bring in the golfers. Maybe the DI will develop into a resort that is looking for the young family even more so than BWV.

Combining all the votes (but still eliminating the Under 30), the total breakout came out as follows:

30-40 -- 40%
41-50 -- 41%
50-59 -- 15%
60+ -- 4%

That may give us some idea of who our fellow posters are. The number who identified as Under 30 was roughly 20 posters.

GAIL HAYDEN
02-15-2002, 10:20 AM
Paul,
It is not what you say that offends, it is how you say it. Your comments come across in a very flippant and rude manner and
it appears you have no tolerance for anyone over the age of 50.
I can understand your wife's thoughts on OKW and it appears that it is not her "cup of tea", hey, I don't find that offensive in the least, I find it honest and to the point. The way you repeated it to us made absolutely no slights to the Oldies here.
I would not stay at BWV as it is too busy for me. It is a beautiful resort and I love the fact that you can access two parks from there quite easily, but I don't think I would be comfortable with the "hotelish" atmosphere or the noise that seems to be constantly present. Until recently, I worked in retail, and I received more than my share of noise in that enviornment, that is the last thing I want on vacation. For others, they don't care and that is great. Perhaps that is why Disney and DDC make so many different kinds of resorts. Diversity!!!!!!

Granny
02-15-2002, 10:23 AM
Pam,

Whew....makes me tired just thinking of the effort you put into pulling those numbers together! Thanks for recapping (and hopefully putting to bed) those many polls! :)

So what's it all mean? Nothing, but it's fun to get some results and see what the people posting on the boards are like.

It's been interesting viewing the OKW pool debate, and even the pool hopping feedback in general. Personally, I think I would like to take advantage of pool hopping just to provide a little variation in future vacations.

But I don't drive 900 miles to Orlando for the main purpose of swimming. So I can't get too excited about the pool stuff. As long as they keep them maintained, clean and OPEN (whine, whine), I am happy with them all.

Thanks, Pam for pulling the information together.

PamOKW
02-15-2002, 10:57 AM
So what's it all mean? Nothing, but it's fun

Nothing -- you got that right, Granny! I'm also not so sure how much "fun" this discussion has been....interesting.

(and hopefully putting to bed)

AMEN!

One thing I was surprised with the pool hopping thread was the number of people who said they wouldn't mind if it were done away with. That percentage was higher than I expected.

I also agree that the pool is a very small part of my vacation. I enjoy time spent there but it's not tops on my list.

PKS44
02-15-2002, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
Paul,
It is not what you say that offends, it is how you say it.

I said it before and Granny said it too- on the Internet there is no way to control inflection....you cannot tell HOW I said anything...how you say something is in the eye of the beholder no matter WHAT I actually said...For the last time, I was not being flippant, no matter what people read into it. I apologize if that is what comes across. I still maintain that age can play a role in things, whether it does or doesn't can't be proven or disproven by any of my musings or these polls..The polls do prove nothing and can be used to support either view depending on how you want it to look.
The OKW pool change thread was 70% against for OKW and 50/50 for non OKW...could be lots of reasons for those differences (it is easier for the non OKW dues payers to vote for a change, attitudinal differences whether age related or otherwise) or they may be a statistical fluke and not real...But a slight difference in age groupings could alter the perception in the "need" for a change. Even a minor difference in the age breakdowns at the resorts could be enough to move an issue one way or another. (As in an election where a key constituency while a minority pushes the vote one way or the other...)
I don't know why it seems some people are bothered if I think that groups of people's opinions are influenced by their life experience (actual experiences and/or length).

Snowgod
02-15-2002, 04:48 PM
This board is beginning to reflect the atmosphere at town meeting in Northern New England. Lots of opinions and little actual progress. Has DVC grown so large that we actually have OKW against everyone else? I bought in to DVC so I could enjoy my time in a very nice collection of resorts, but on the boards there seems to be a lot of animosity developing over very minor things. Is a pool slide at OKW really enough to get people so worked up? :smooth: :D

Werner Weiss
02-15-2002, 05:58 PM
OKW was designed over 10 years ago. OKW's feature pool doesn't have a waterslide or provide enough fun for some tastes. OKW's feature pool is a delighful, relaxing, and very pleasant place just the way it is for other tastes. And, believe it of not, there are even people with pre-teen children who have the latter opinion.

If OKW were being designed today, would there be a water slide? Maybe, maybe not. The DVC resorts at VB and HH have waterslides. The three other DVC resorts at WDW share feature pools with deluxe hotels, and these pools also have slides. But slides are very rare in the world of dedicated timeshare resorts. Marriott continues to build new first class, family-oriented timeshare resorts without waterslides. I don't think any of us know whether the new DVC resorts at DI and Eagle Pines will have slides.

People who bought at OKW knew what they were getting, and they have the right to expect facilities consistent with what they bought. If they didn't like what they saw, they probably didn't buy. And although other DVC members are welcome to make reservations at the 7-month window, nobody is forcing other DVC members to stay at OKW.

To throw ageist remarks at OKW owners who are over 50 -- making blanket statements that they are "O" folks who "don't like new styles, new music, or new ideas" and who are somehow ruining things for others because they are old -- is offensive (and I'm not over 50). And it misses the point about how timeshares operate, and the responsibility of a timeshare management company to meet the expectations that were set at the time that owners purchased.

The lack of a slide at OKW is an issue of timeshare vs. hotel, not old vs. young.

Werner Weiss
02-15-2002, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Snowgod
Has DVC grown so large that we actually have OKW against everyone else?
Huh? I don't understand this comment/question at all. Where is OKW against everyone else?

Snowgod
02-15-2002, 06:52 PM
I mean that these threads lately about OKW owners not wanting a pool slide, or how OKW are older all seem like an "us against them" attitude. People seem to be getting upset. I personaly love all the resort pools and think that OKW has beautiful pools, and love that lighthouse sauna. I like the clown at BWV and have never pool hopped. The tone of so many threads seems negative to me and DVC is such a happy topic. :smooth:

Granny
02-15-2002, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Snowgod
The tone of so many threads seems negative to me and DVC is such a happy topic. :smooth: Snowgod....I've been reading and posting on this board for six months or so, and I can tell you that the OVERWHELMING majority of posts here are informative, helpful and supportive.

Every once in a while, there will come a topic which some people have some strong opinions. Obviously, OKW pool is one, room capacity limits is another. There are a few hot buttons out there.

But like I said, most of the posts are very positive. And even those posters whom you might think (from this thread) are a little antagonistic....well, I've seen great, helpful posts from each of them many times.

Hang in there. You'll find a lot of gold on this board...sometimes you have to sift through a little dirt. :D :D :D

That's a joke, that's a joke, that's a joke. :D :D :D

GAIL HAYDEN
02-15-2002, 08:22 PM
Paul,
You are absolutely correct when you speak about how people come across on the net. However, with a ;), :),:( ( and all the other little gizmos that I cannot get to work) it makes it easier.
And, perhaps with the absence of these in posts people ( I include myself in this) tend to become very very sensative.
I hope you understand what I mean and I am not being critical.
;)

GAIL HAYDEN
02-15-2002, 08:25 PM
Werner,
You are right on there. We do expect consistant facilities.
Heck, I am still upset about loosing the placemats, napkins and salt and pepper. I figure, I was told it was a cost control method, if they cannot afford these items anymore, then how ever could we justify the expense of a slide and lifeguard? Call me kooky, but, I don't see the logic.

PKS44
02-16-2002, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Werner Weiss
To throw ageist remarks at OKW owners who are over 50 -- making blanket statements that they are "O" folks who "don't like new styles, new music, or new ideas" and who are somehow ruining things for others because they are old -- is offensive (and I'm not over 50).

Werner-

I never said anything about ruining anything. You and others are reading stuff into my posts that are not there. If I did say these folks are ruining things, please quote me-(--Gail can show you how to use the quote thingee);) ;) ;) ;) :D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)(That was an inside joke for Gail)

"Blanket statements" as you call them are the meat of market research. Of course they are ridiculously generalized. Individual young people and old people feel otherwise than many others - I hate being lumped in with the Boomers. But if someone wanted to say some derogotory remarks about Boomers, I would not take it personally because it might apply to many or most and not me... I did not say ALL OKW. I took note of an attitude expressed by a part of OKW. I wonder if that was a significant part, but never said it was EVERY OKW person the way you are trying to make it.

But if you were marketing something to people over 50 what would you say, they are more likely to go for the new? New music? New Styles? :confused: MY comments were a speculation on where some ideas and attitudes might be coming from....a theory...
Finally -I am not ageist. I like people of all ages. I don't take vacations that exclude people based on age. (And I don't think people who do makes them ageist- though one could argue that better than trying to say I am) I hang out with people of all ages. I've been on some fun cruises (you know the joke about the people on cruises- the overfed, the newlywed and the nearly dead). ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :) :) :) :) (NOT Disney cruises of course-but trust me other cruises are mostly older folks!) Again this is not meant as a blanket statement...just an observation.
Our next DVC trip we are taking my parents and my in-laws. (and the kids).

Paul

GAIL HAYDEN
02-16-2002, 08:53 AM
Paul,
LOL, yeah, sure, anytime. :)

PamOKW
02-21-2002, 09:38 AM
After a week of voting, and using the elimination of the Under 30 category, the numbers still don't show that the majority of OKW owners are significantly older than those at other DVC resorts. They do show an aging of members based on how long the resorts have been open....OKW heaviest in the 41-50 category; BWV almost split between 30-40/41-50 with a slightly higher percentage in the 30-40 group; and VWL heaviest in the 30-40 group.

Here are the updated #s.

30-40 OKW 32% (50) BWV 44% (51) VWL 55% (64)
41-50 OKW 44% (67 BWV 36% (42) VWL 35% (41)
50-59 OKW 18% (28) BWV 20% (23) VWL 6% (7)
60+ OKW 6% (9) BWV -1% (1) VWL 4% (4)

Combined:

30-50 at OKW 76%; BWV 80%; VWL 90%
Over 50 at OKW 24%; BWV 20%; VWL 10%

mac_tlc
02-21-2002, 06:52 PM
Well, I just spent the last 15-20 minutes reading every post on this thread..and for some reason I still decided to post a reply!! For the record, I was 31 when we bought into OKW in 1992, and am 41 now.. Jumped an age group I guess.... Voted for the slide at OKW when the question was posed to the members, but having thought about it since, I would probably vote against it now... although my DS (7) would not be happy. Not because of my resistance to change, but because the other resorts have one, and if I or the kids want to swim with a slide , we will go there.

As far as the "age thing" goes, I think that if there is a perceptable age difference among the owners of the DVC resorts, as yet un-proven (keep workin' the numbers, Pam) , a factor most certainly can be that age/availability/build-out of the resorts. Certainly from this point on, one would expect that the average age of the oldest resort (especially if it is sold-out) will increase since the opportunity to add "younger" members is limited. The newest resort is marketed to all age groups, so I would expect the average age to be lower.

mac_tlc

Granny
02-22-2002, 12:16 AM
Pam...I think this age of DVC owners thing is playing out pretty much as we predicted before we started the polls.

If the average age of DVC purchasers (at the time of purchase) has not changed much in the past 10 years, then OKW should skew slightly older, followed by BWV then VWL. And I think the numbers bear that out. BCV should skew very slightly younger than VWL since VWL sold out so fast.

On the other hand, I have a feeling that the add-ons from existing members may be higher for BVC than VWL due to that prime Epcot location and substantial incentives. That would skew the age back up a little.

So again, what's this all mean? Not much. Just fun to run some of the numbers.

Pam...congratulations on getting all the information with a minimum of new debates! ;)