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jann1033
09-28-2007, 09:43 AM
i was attempting to get a teleconverter on ebay, using auction sniper to get it...they sent my snipe when there was 11 seconds left ( i told them 8) and someone else got in after me and beat me( by 2 bucks and 8 seconds:sad2: )... they may have sniped as well so i might not have gotten it anyway but just wondering if all sniper services do that( send in your bid before you tell them to) they claim it's because it's busy at the time the auction ended but they also tell you to raise your lead time which i did from 5 to 8 sec like they said to. i've used esnipe before and always won but just wondering if this is common for snipes or not since if not i won't use auction snipe again

MICKEY88
09-28-2007, 09:46 AM
i was attempting to get a teleconverter on ebay, using auction sniper to get it...they sent my snipe when there was 11 seconds left ( i told them 8) and someone else got in after me and beat me( by 2 bucks and 8 seconds:sad2: )... they may have sniped as well so i might not have gotten it anyway but just wondering if all sniper services do that( send in your bid before you tell them to) they claim it's because it's busy at the time the auction ended but they also tell you to raise your lead time which i did from 5 to 8 sec like they said to. i've used esnipe before and always won but just wondering if this is common for snipes or not since if not i won't use auction snipe again


I use auction sniper all the time, with great success, it's possible if someone had their max bid set higher than your snipe, that your snipe would trigger their bid to be raised..

check the bidding list to see if the winner had a bid prior to your snipe..

also, If I'm online when an auction is about to end, I'll have 2 windows open , one with my highest bid, ready to send it, the other monitoring the auction refreshing every few seconds so I can send my bid at the very last second..that could have happened to you as well..



just a random thought on the converter, due to the stop or 2 of lost light, I prefer to shoot with my longest lens, then crop via computer..

jann1033
09-28-2007, 09:53 AM
no he didn't which is why i thought he might have sniped it... it just frosted me that he literally got the bid in the second it closed and if they had sent mine at 8 he might not have had the time .curses ! foiled again:lmao: oh well what's another hundred for a new one;)

i've been going back and forth on the converter as i also want to see if it would help with my macro..hoping it magnifies it enough i don't have to use the filter to get 1:1 or closer to that at least. if not i will end up with a new macro someday and so i figured the ebay was good since i never see the kenko pro used anywhere...

MICKEY88
09-28-2007, 10:01 AM
if I'mm following your times right he may have very well used my second techinique and just waited 'till the last second to click verify bid.., even if they had sent your bid at the specified time, he still would have beat you..

jann1033
09-28-2007, 10:04 AM
i just keep telling myself the lens was probably filled with fungus anyway:lmao:

MarkBarbieri
09-28-2007, 11:40 AM
Let's assume that you and the other person were both sniping. Because you were both sniping, neither expected to have the opportunity to place a second bid. That means that you both bid the most you were willing to pay. In that case, it doesn't really matter that his bid was after yours. He was willing to pay more for the converter. He got what he wanted at a price he was comfortable with. While you wanted the teleconverter, it sold for more than you were willing to pay. What's the problem?

MICKEY88
09-28-2007, 11:56 AM
Let's assume that you and the other person were both sniping. Because you were both sniping, neither expected to have the opportunity to place a second bid. That means that you both bid the most you were willing to pay. In that case, it doesn't really matter that his bid was after yours. He was willing to pay more for the converter. He got what he wanted at a price he was comfortable with. While you wanted the teleconverter, it sold for more than you were willing to pay. What's the problem?


excellent point:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2

jann1033
09-28-2007, 02:40 PM
i would have paid another 2 bucks:rolleyes: ...but the main thing i wondered about was the fact they sent my bid in so early...why have the customer put the lead time there if you are going to ignore it? and i do know with ebay ever second counts...on their site they tell you you determine when they send the bid and recommend during busy times you set 7-12 sec. but today when i emailed them and asked them( after i got a email from ebay saying it was sent in 11 seconds before the auction ended) they said they always send the bid in early which they should mention imo so you can watch the auction if you want that item...if i had known that i probably wouldn't have used them for the auction since i can sit by the computer and hit send myself for free rather than pay them to send it earlier than i want it sent and have to watch it anyway....the auction didn't really have much activity at all till the last few seconds ( which i think is how it usually is)then someone bid 2 less than me 2 seconds before they sent my bid then the other guy sent his bid. but i don't think i'd use auction snipe again since they do that...if seems like it would be easy to lose it if that is how they do it.

Taqwus
09-29-2007, 11:00 AM
Personally I use more of an anti-snipe bids
Secret is most people bid in easy to guess incriments so my highest bid is usually a few pennies over
I have won lots of auctions this way, I put what I am willing to bid on, usually withing the last few minutes that way if someone tries to snipe it I am usually outbidding them already
My best was the original star wars deathstar playset with a mint box won by 1 penny

jann1033
09-29-2007, 11:17 AM
Personally I use more of an anti-snipe bids
Secret is most people bid in easy to guess incriments so my highest bid is usually a few pennies over
I have won lots of auctions this way, I put what I am willing to bid on, usually withing the last few minutes that way if someone tries to snipe it I am usually outbidding them already
My best was the original star wars deathstar playset with a mint box won by 1 penny
that is kind of what i did, there was a new one from hong
kong for 96 so i bid 102 figuring someone might bid 100 but the other guy got in with 104 so guess there really isn't an easy way to make sure unless you just forget the beauty sleep and stay up late & watch it:rotfl: before doing it that way I usually lost as we had dial up at the time...my dsl still isn't that fast but maybe i need to go back to the basics:rotfl:

JR6ooo4
09-29-2007, 11:54 AM
that is kind of what i did, there was a new one from hong
kong for 96 so i bid 102 figuring someone might bid 100 but the other guy got in with 104 so guess there really isn't an easy way to make sure unless you just forget the beauty sleep and stay up late & watch it:rotfl: before doing it that way I usually lost as we had dial up at the time...my dsl still isn't that fast but maybe i need to go back to the basics:rotfl:

Speaking of basics... I am trying to figure out dsl...

darling sister law, no
daughter son lazy... no

Oooohhh! Digital subscriber line! hehehehehee

My snipe time is set at 5 seconds. And I also bid $102.23 instead of $102.00. Or smaller items $x.53

Mikeeee

AZ JazzyJ
09-29-2007, 12:21 PM
Personally I use more of an anti-snipe bids
Secret is most people bid in easy to guess incriments so my highest bid is usually a few pennies over
I have won lots of auctions this way, I put what I am willing to bid on, usually withing the last few minutes that way if someone tries to snipe it I am usually outbidding them already
My best was the original star wars deathstar playset with a mint box won by 1 penny

Ok, this is where I confess that I really need to get a life. If I am watching an item on eBay, I will look at all of the other bidders through bid history. I will then go to their feedback and look over the items they have previously won. I can usually find a pattern that shows what they are willing to spend on items within a certain genre. People are typically creatures of habit so they will usually also show in previous auctions a pattern in the dollar amounts. Once I have that information I can make a calculated decision of what I am willing to bid and adjust the cents so that if I am close to the other bidders I stand a good chance to win it by a few pennies. This works for people who have already bid. It is a little more difficult when they haven't bid. For those I will do a search on completed items and look at the user IDs of people who did not win. Chances are they will play again so I can collect data on those whose snipes didn't work one time but may the next time.

To me eBay is the ultimate sociology and psychology experiment. You can learn more about human behavior and personality tendencies watching an auction than you could from studying humans for months in every day life. The stupid thing about this is I tend to get caught up in figuring out the person rather than buying an item. I've been known to bid on items to validate a psychology hypothesis even though I don't want the item. Granted I don't usually do that on big-ticket items. I seriously need to find a different outlet for my intellectual curiosity otherwise I may end up being the world's largest collector of porcelain cow figurines.

Jeff

Anewman
09-29-2007, 03:18 PM
Ok, this is where I confess that I really need to get a life. If I am watching an item on eBay, I will look at all of the other bidders through bid history. I will then go to their feedback and look over the items they have previously won. I can usually find a pattern that shows what they are willing to spend on items within a certain genre. People are typically creatures of habit so they will usually also show in previous auctions a pattern in the dollar amounts. Once I have that information I can make a calculated decision of what I am willing to bid and adjust the cents so that if I am close to the other bidders I stand a good chance to win it by a few pennies. This works for people who have already bid. It is a little more difficult when they haven't bid. For those I will do a search on completed items and look at the user IDs of people who did not win. Chances are they will play again so I can collect data on those whose snipes didn't work one time but may the next time.


Yes I do similar, with an advanced search for bidders you can see what they bid on identical items even if they lost.
I was out bid on a muslin background yesterday and I went through the bidders previous auctions(won or lost) and noticed he never exceeded $15.00(higher than I wanted to go) on many other backgrounds, but had I wanted that muslin bad enough I would have sniped one penny over that.

MarkBarbieri
09-29-2007, 04:06 PM
I usually find the various auctions in progress for the item I am interested in. I then decide how much I'm willing to spend. I take that and set up snipes for the various auctions, being careful to factor in shipping costs and making risk adjustments based on feedback. I sometimes shift up my bids by a few sense here or there to keep people guessing. I then set it up so that once I win one bid, the sniper stops submitting the others.

Of course, that strategy only works for items that are sold fairly regularly.

MarkBarbieri
09-29-2007, 04:07 PM
I'm surprised that no one has posted on how they think snipes are evil, immoral, unethical, anti-American, or whatever. It is often a hot-button topic.

Anewman
09-29-2007, 04:36 PM
I'm surprised that no one has posted on how they think snipes are evil, immoral, unethical, anti-American, or whatever. It is often a hot-button topic.


While I dont use snipers, I hardly think they are evil. I have been sniped at the last minute hundreds of times, but in the long run I feel I have come out way ahead. I set my max price and I wont go over even by a penny, if a sniper is willing to pay more he would win the item even if he bid ten days b4 the end of auction(against me anyways).


Ebay auctions are crazy though, I dont understand how the SAME EXACT ITEM can fluctuate in price from day to day. I am talking about items that are sold multiple times a day, EVERY DAY of the year.

Take one of these umbrellas, I won one for 99cents, the day b4 one sold for $18.50. Funny thing is that the guy SNIPED $18.50 thinks he WON because of the sniping.

http://search-completed.ebay.com/DPU-SR-W-36_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfclZ3QQfisZ2QQfromZR7QQfrppZ200Q QfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0QQsacatZQ2d1QQsat itleZDPUQ2dSRQ2fWQ2036QQsofocusZbs

0bli0
09-29-2007, 04:36 PM
whilst not a sniping proggie - has anyone seen San Dimas? it's a really nice interface and great to use to view while sniping/manual last minute bidding in another window (and just general searching, etc.)

jann1033
09-29-2007, 07:51 PM
[QUOTE=MarkBarbieri;21057936]I'm surprised that no one has posted on how they think snipes are evil, immoral, unethical, anti-American, or whatever. It is often a hot-button topic.[/QUOTE

:scratchin so does that mean the photo board has more than the average share of the above?;) ;) ;) :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:
but sheesh no wonder i don't' win...i have to get a masters in ebay to win anything anyone here is bidding on...guess i should forget the photo bids and stick to the "lightly used furry bunny slippers" section::)

the thing that shocks me is sometimes the items go for more than they could buy it from adorama or someplace they know is legit and will still be in business if they have a problem... I just don't get that "auction fever" mentality i guess

JR6ooo4
09-30-2007, 11:00 AM
I am suprised ebay allows sniping. it keeps the price from being bid up by the impulse buyers who see someone else bidding on an interestig item, then they often get jealous and bid more. Then more people see more bids for an item and they think they have to have it because so many others want it.

Mikeeee

MarkBarbieri
09-30-2007, 02:35 PM
I am suprised ebay allows sniping. it keeps the price from being bid up by the impulse buyers who see someone else bidding on an interestig item, then they often get jealous and bid more. Then more people see more bids for an item and they think they have to have it because so many others want it.

Mikeeee

A lot of other auction sites handle this by keeping bidding open until some period of time after the last bid has been received. In other words, if you snipe with 1 second left, they keep the bidding open for something like another minute.

Personally, I don't really care what the rules are as long as they are consistently followed. I then tailor my strategy to minimize my purchase price under the rules given.

jann1033
09-30-2007, 02:41 PM
I am suprised ebay allows sniping. it keeps the price from being bid up by the impulse buyers who see someone else bidding on an interestig item, then they often get jealous and bid more. Then more people see more bids for an item and they think they have to have it because so many others want it.

Mikeeee

no doubt that explains the high market for things like elvis's rancid old sweat socks:rotfl:

MICKEY88
09-30-2007, 11:13 PM
I think snipes are evil, immoral, unethical...............




that's why I enjoy doing it so much...:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2

jfulcer
10-01-2007, 12:37 AM
sorry, OT...

I'm in a moral and ethical dilemna. I listed something on ebay with a buy it now for a 3 day auction. Some lady did a buy it now and a day later said "oh, I made a mistake". I'm like - fine, whatever. Just pay my relisting fee and we'll call it quits. Ebayer will refund me everything else, so it's a wash. So she then goes to try to pay me the relisting fee and pays the whole value of the item because she clicked the wrong buttons. Later that day she emailed again "oh, I made another mistake, i should just let me husband do this ebay stuff."

Ok, that's like 5-6 clicks at least that she got wrong. How can you go that wrong??? I'm of the mind that she just bought the item and she can relist it if she decided she did not want it. Just not sure it's the 'right thing' to do. decisions, decisions...

Anewman
10-01-2007, 03:23 PM
sorry, OT...

I'm in a moral and ethical dilemna. I listed something on ebay with a buy it now for a 3 day auction. Some lady did a buy it now and a day later said "oh, I made a mistake". I'm like - fine, whatever. Just pay my relisting fee and we'll call it quits. Ebayer will refund me everything else, so it's a wash. So she then goes to try to pay me the relisting fee and pays the whole value of the item because she clicked the wrong buttons. Later that day she emailed again "oh, I made another mistake, i should just let me husband do this ebay stuff."

Ok, that's like 5-6 clicks at least that she got wrong. How can you go that wrong??? I'm of the mind that she just bought the item and she can relist it if she decided she did not want it. Just not sure it's the 'right thing' to do. decisions, decisions...

Have you ever seen those persons at the ATM that take like two hours to check their balance(my mom)??

I feel it is entirely possible for some one to be that EBAY illiterate, she might not have ANY idea how to go about sending money via paypal other than clicking through your auction.

still your call as to what action to take.

MarkBarbieri
10-01-2007, 06:19 PM
sorry, OT...

I'm in a moral and ethical dilemna. I listed something on ebay with a buy it now for a 3 day auction. Some lady did a buy it now and a day later said "oh, I made a mistake". I'm like - fine, whatever. Just pay my relisting fee and we'll call it quits. Ebayer will refund me everything else, so it's a wash. So she then goes to try to pay me the relisting fee and pays the whole value of the item because she clicked the wrong buttons. Later that day she emailed again "oh, I made another mistake, i should just let me husband do this ebay stuff."

Ok, that's like 5-6 clicks at least that she got wrong. How can you go that wrong??? I'm of the mind that she just bought the item and she can relist it if she decided she did not want it. Just not sure it's the 'right thing' to do. decisions, decisions...

It could be an innocent mistake or it could be a clever scam. A common scam is to convince someone that you are overpaying them. You then get them to refund the overpayment. Once you've sent them real money, you discover that the payment you got from them was fradulent (usually a bouncing check).

This scam was popular in a lot of poorly regulated, high priced sales like horses. It would usually start with someone offering to buy your horse for $1,000 more than it was worth. The buyer would explain that they had a cashiers check that they would sign over to you but that they didn't want to cash themselves for some innocent sounding reason. They would offer to let you keep half of the cost above your asking price. People would take the deal, give them $500 in cash, and then find out the cashiers check was forged.

seashoreCM
10-03-2007, 08:19 PM
If someone pays you too much via PayPal and you choose to refund the difference, use a PayPal refund transaction, not a brand new PayPal transaction.

From the example cited, be careful not to refund too much, making the same mistake the original payor made.

If someone chooses to pay you for his eBay won item using an oversized check, that is a strong likelihood of the abovementioned scam. You can send back the oversized check and claim that the item is still unpaid for until the buyer sends a check for the correct amount, although this does not guarantee that we do not have a scam. In any event I would not send back any change.

No bank employee I have asked (and I have asked several at different banks) has been able to tell me when a check has cleared for good.

Disney hints: http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm

fitzperry
10-04-2007, 07:54 AM
It could be an innocent mistake or it could be a clever scam. A common scam is to convince someone that you are overpaying them. You then get them to refund the overpayment. Once you've sent them real money, you discover that the payment you got from them was fradulent (usually a bouncing check).

This scam was popular in a lot of poorly regulated, high priced sales like horses. It would usually start with someone offering to buy your horse for $1,000 more than it was worth. The buyer would explain that they had a cashiers check that they would sign over to you but that they didn't want to cash themselves for some innocent sounding reason. They would offer to let you keep half of the cost above your asking price. People would take the deal, give them $500 in cash, and then find out the cashiers check was forged.

That scam still seems to be quite popular. We listed my old Audi station wagon on eBay and got several emails containing similar offers.

If it seems too good to be true . . . . . yada yada yada.

jann1033
10-04-2007, 09:09 AM
i got just one of these "offers" from something i listed on graig's list...according to that company it can take weeks for the fake money order, check, cashiers check to process and be found to be a fake....then you are left with zero.

but if i am understanding the original post right she paid you twice for something you aren't sending her? if it was through paypal, don't they take the money out right away( at least they do for me) so the chance of a scam would seem pretty slim

and since i'm probably known to be not all that ebay/ computer savvy...just let me say it wasn't me;) :)

Groucho
10-05-2007, 10:10 AM
I'm surprised that no one has posted on how they think snipes are evil, immoral, unethical, anti-American, or whatever. It is often a hot-button topic.
(raises hand)

I hate sniping. Moreover, I hate the way eBay ignores it.

eBay's argument is that if you bid correctly, you will not be sniped. Ie, you make one bid which is the maximum that you're willing to spend. If you do that, then if you don't win it, it sold for more than you were willing to spend. A fair point, but still a huge cop-out.

I did not know that other auction sites extend the end time after the last bid - I've been wishing eBay would do the exact same thing for years. Why do they not? :confused3 I can't imagine.

You would never go to a live auction and see sniping. That's the whole point of "going, going, gone"!

Continuing to allow sniping benefits nobody except perhaps the sniper, who may get a slightly cheaper price. Moving to the model where the auction will not end until it's gone 1-5 minutes without a bid would benefit the seller (more money), eBay (more commissions), and most buyers, who will have less of a "wild west" environment and will be able to get a better idea of the value of items.

And who would it hurt? Well, it might hurt a sniper who's trying to save a buck or two (at the expense of the seller), and it will hurt all the bottomfeeding companies who make money selling software designed to enable sniping. One simple eBay change and voila, that entire market is destroyed, and good riddance to 'em.

Unfortunately, I suspect eBay won't do that any time soon - they're still doing auctions with a ten-year-old internet mentality. And while I'm complaining, why is it so difficult to find "completed listings" when browsing for specific items? (I recently bought a used Xbox to use as a media player and as far as I can tell, if you browse to Xbox systems for sale, it's impossible to view completed items - you need to do a standard search.)

While I'm complaining, how about the way search results often have the wrong price listed? This is especially infuriating when you're looking at completed items - several times I'll see auctions that are over, and the price shown in the search results page is not the same price that you see when you look at the actual item.

OK, is that enough ranting for one message? :thumbsup2

Geoff_M
10-05-2007, 11:22 AM
Let's assume that you and the other person were both sniping. Because you were both sniping, neither expected to have the opportunity to place a second bid. That means that you both bid the most you were willing to pay. In that case, it doesn't really matter that his bid was after yours. He was willing to pay more for the converter. He got what he wanted at a price he was comfortable with. While you wanted the teleconverter, it sold for more than you were willing to pay. What's the problem?I snipe the old-fashioned way... I do it myself! However, what you say above is only true if everyone truly is snipe bidding with a true personal "maximum bid". I always bid the max that I'm willing to pay, but what often wins me the item is that the other snipers use what they hope will be winning "low ball" bids as their maximum bids.

Unfortunately, I suspect eBay won't do that any time soon - they're still doing auctions with a ten-year-old internet mentality. And while I'm complaining, why is it so difficult to find "completed listings" when browsing for specific items? (I recently bought a used Xbox to use as a media player and as far as I can tell, if you browse to Xbox systems for sale, it's impossible to view completed items - you need to do a standard search.)I'll be happy to play by the rules, whatever they are. But there's one major reason why eBay will be unlikely to make any changes. The money is where the buyers are, not the sellers. Therefore sites with rules that favor the buyers will be much more likely to succeed. Why would I, as a bidder, use a site that will likely cost me more to win the same item?

caniswolfie
10-05-2007, 12:50 PM
I dislike sniping for the reason not necessarily having the chance to respond to a sniping attempt. Sometimes if someone bids my maximum by a dollar, I'll usually at least bump my max by 5 dollars (depending on the cost of the item). But sniping denies the opportunity. I don't get too upset about it since Ebay doesn't have a policy against it. Just a personal pet peeve.

As far as Ebay not changing it because the buyers are where the money is, I guess from a certain point of view that they need the buyers to actually buy items, but Ebay doesn't make any money off of the buyers. They make it off the sellers and also the higher the selling price the better Ebay makes out on the commissions. So I can see it that Ebay would be better off cracking down on sniping so that the auction prices go up and so does their commissions.

I don't think people would run to another service if they did crack down on sniping, but those companies whose business of sniping is ruined would be upset and possibly cause trouble.

jann1033
10-05-2007, 01:25 PM
considering ebay will now let you set a group of similar items and they bid on them all for you till you win one i don't see sniping going anywhere...:)

however i also don't see how sniping hurts the seller. the sniping only happens in the last few seconds so how does it keep the price lower? if anything it would raise the price since the last bid might not get in otherwise...if the snipe is lower than the bids the snipe won't get it anyway and if no one bidding conventionally is willing to go higher then at least they get the few more bucks from the snipe.:confused3: if anything it hurts the buyer since if they aren't using a snipe( or have a lousy snipe like mine:rotfl: ) they don't get as much of a chance to try to make a last ditch bid but then again they can snipe if they want as well so i guess all is fair on ebay...sort of;)

Groucho
10-05-2007, 01:56 PM
however i also don't see how sniping hurts the seller. the sniping only happens in the last few seconds so how does it keep the price lower? if anything it would raise the price since the last bid might not get in otherwise...if the snipe is lower than the bids the snipe won't get it anyway and if no one bidding conventionally is willing to go higher then at least they get the few more bucks from the snipe.:confused3: if anything it hurts the buyer since if they aren't using a snipe( or have a lousy snipe like mine:rotfl: ) they don't get as much of a chance to try to make a last ditch bid but then again they can snipe if they want as well so i guess all is fair on ebay...sort of;)
I made that statement because the way that most (probably) eBay users work is that they put their bid in for what they'd like to pay, not the maximum they're willing to pay.

The whole point of sniping is to count on the other person being willing to spend more money than they've bid, and that you're not giving them the chance to be able to do so. (That's why the bids are placed in the last second or two.) If a bidder realizes that the other people who are bidding have already put in the maximum amount they're willing to spend, then there's no reason to snipe.

Anyway, how many times have you heard someone say "I was bidding on that but got sniped at the last minute"? That's exactly what you describe in your original message - in this case, sniping hurt the buyer (because you were willing to spend more than the winning bid), eBay (smaller commission), and you (didn't get what you wanted).

If eBay allowed the auction to continue for a certain amount of time after the last bid (I like five minutes, but even one would help tremendously), then you might have bid a little higher and gotten what you wanted for not much difference in money. Even if you didn't get it, someone else would have spent even more, benefitting the buyer and eBay even more.

Unfortunately, eBay is so entrenched now that they can do whatever they want with little fear of people leaving.

Geoff_M
10-05-2007, 02:07 PM
As far as Ebay not changing it because the buyers are where the money is, I guess from a certain point of view that they need the buyers to actually buy items, but Ebay doesn't make any money off of the buyers. They make it off the sellers and also the higher the selling price the better Ebay makes out on the commissions.Yes, but in the world of eCommerce, the traffic is going to head to where the better deals can be had. Say I'm looking for a nice RBK 9K model red hockey helmet and I have two auction sites to choose from. I know that one has policies that favor the buyer and will likely get me the helmet at a lower final price and another site know for policies that drive up the final price for a seller.... which site will I try and spend my money at? The answer is: The one most likely to get me the better deal as a buyer!

Also as a seller, I want to list my stuff on the site that's most likely to give me the largest number of people that will bid on it. The more people interested, the better the chance of a bidding war.

Geoff_M
10-05-2007, 02:25 PM
Anyway, how many times have you heard someone say "I was bidding on that but got sniped at the last minute"?If you hear someone say this, then one of two things happened:
1) The person really did bid the maximum amount they were willing to pay for it, but the sniper was willing to pay more. If this is the case, then the outcome would have been the same regardless of when the sniper put in their bid. This outcome is totally neutral to the seller.
2) The person didn't bid the true maximum they were willing to pay for the item (even if they were willing to only go a few dollars higher) and were hoping the low bid would hold out. If this is the case, well then I'd say "shame on them". eBay tells you upfront to bid your maximum. Anything less is a calculated gamble. When you gamble, sometimes the house wins and sometimes you do.

Why do I snipe? It's because I can't stand the pressure of being the high bidder in the last hours and hopping it will hold out. I like more of a "sealed bit" process and let the chips fall where they may. Bidding in advance it like showing your hand in poker.

Anewman
10-05-2007, 03:02 PM
When I bid on an item I take the "ending time" into consideration. If the auction is supposed to end at 6 pm I EXPECT it to end at 6pm, I would hate if it were extended because persons kept bidding. My wife feels I spend too much time on there already, I can imagine the look on her face if I kept telling her "FIVE MORE MINUTES."

I really dont see the problem, snipers do enter the max they are willing to pay into the software how is it their fault that most others dont?

jann1033
10-05-2007, 04:35 PM
If you hear someone say this, then one of two things happened:
1) The person really did bid the maximum amount they were willing to pay for it, but the sniper was willing to pay more. If this is the case, then the outcome would have been the same regardless of when the sniper put in their bid. This outcome is totally neutral to the seller.
2) The person didn't bid the true maximum they were willing to pay for the item (even if they were willing to only go a few dollars higher) and were hoping the low bid would hold out. If this is the case, well then I'd say "shame on them". eBay tells you upfront to bid your maximum. Anything less is a calculated gamble. When you gamble, sometimes the house wins and sometimes you do.

Why do I snipe? It's because I can't stand the pressure of being the high bidder in the last hours and hopping it will hold out. I like more of a "sealed bit" process and let the chips fall where they may. Bidding in advance it like showing your hand in poker.

i think the problem with this is really how can you tell how much to put in so in that case regular non snipe bidding is helpful..you know where you stand and do you want to pay $2 more or not...in my case i had to guess( it was a used item, so couldn't really go by any set cost) and guessed lower( although i maxed my bid at more than twice what was there up until 10 seconds before it closed...i think there is probably a better way but since that is the way ebay lets bids come in i guess that 's just the way it is. i snipe cause i hate staying up till midnight just to lose to some guy with faster dsl/computer than me:rotfl:

Geoff_M
10-05-2007, 08:52 PM
I sniped and lost on a hockey helmet and 1/2 shield (for my son to use refereeing) a couple of weeks ago. If you look at completed items, unless it's a really rare item, there's good info about the prices that similar or identical items go for on average. I always try to do some research first on an item. In the case of the helmet I knew what I could buy a comparable one for locally new and decided that I wasn't going to go a dollar over $50. That's what I sniped, but the then current high bidder had more for their max bid amount so he won it. I wasn't upset because I couldn't try bidding a couple dollars more as a 2nd stab at it, because I had already drawn a line in the sand and wasn't going to go over it. There would be other helmets.

seashoreCM
10-06-2007, 09:29 AM
I was at a "silent auction" several years ago, where people bid using sign-up sheets and the process resembled eBay (done manually) to some extent. And people were doing the equivalent of sniping! At about the appointed closing moment for various items I saw attendants throwing down cloths over one sign up sheet after another, sometimes just after someone added a bid and before the next person could step in.

One way that eBay could cut down on sniping as we know it is to have the auction end time be approximate, and the exact moment would have a random variance of about ten minutes either way.

If two or more people snipe, then it does not make any difference who bid last.

The sniper does not know the maximum bid of the high bidder showing.
i just keep telling myself the lens was probably filled with fungus anyway
If you had bid higher you could have seen for yourself.

Remember, unlike the silent auction I was at, eBay uses only enough of your maximum bid as is needed. The sniper would have been licking his wounds seeing that he was beat only by a tiny amount.