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PamOKW
02-11-2002, 07:17 PM
We've been having a discussion about how people feel about the OKW pools. This is an attempt to try to get an idea about opinions.

Keep in mind that OKW dues have increased $.07 since 1997 -- from $3.1448 to $3.2163 per point. I can't recall the estimate DVC gave for a dues increase to cover a new slide and lifeguard but let's assume that it will be $.08 per point.

Also, assume that THERE IS NO POOL HOPPING when you make your choices. (Pool hopping itself could be a different survey.)

Please vote as either an OKW Home Resort Member or Non-OKW which includes DVC members at other home resorts and non-DVC members.

PKS44
02-11-2002, 07:47 PM
As a non-OKW member I am uncomfortable telling OKW members what they SHOULD do..so I did not cast a vote... I have no problem suggesting things they could do and in the interest of enhancing the value of all DVC, SHOULD consider. This poll is worded and skewed to get a certain result...as we have been discussing on the poolhopping thread, this is not about lifeguards and slides or kiddie areas. Making the poll this way makes it seem like it is...the question for OKW members--should OKW do something to make the main pool more like almost every other main pool at WDW resorts-- with a slide-- or something less costly-- or leave it as is.
I don't know how to post a poll but I would have it as follows-for OKW members only:

1)OKW should add a slide and a lifeguard at a cost of 0.08 per point increase in dues

2)OKW should add some water features (waterfall or interactive fountain areas) but not anything requiring a lifeguard if it can be done for up to 0.02 per point increase in dues

3)The same as #2 but up to 0.04 increase

4)NO CHANGE-leave it as is

And for non-OKW membersthe choices:
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OKW do:
#1, #2, #3 #4 or I don't care what they do..

PamOKW
02-11-2002, 07:52 PM
I'm sorry you don't like the poll. As I said, unscientific. I also had a heckuva time getting it to post at all. LOL!

Keeping pool hopping in the equation was too difficult so I eliminated it. I could not figure out how to word the choice for something "in-between" as you suggest (questions are limited in size). Others can consider the enhanced kiddy area as being cosmetic/more minor changes to the pool area as were suggested by PKS44 in the other thread.

The fact is, OKW members were never offered a choice by DVC. The choice was a black & white -- add a slide and lifeguard. The option suggested by PKS44 has never been offered by DVC management.

I tried NOT to skew this poll. I'm curious whether things would come out the same or different from the results DVC got in their survey a few years ago.

PKS44
02-11-2002, 08:06 PM
Pam- You are way ahead of me- I can't figure out how to make a poll...I think your use of the word "in-between" is good and if you please--I would like to say non OKW votes are what we would like-not what others SHOULD do with their money and their resort...can we make that assumption as well for non OKW members?

I did not say I don't like the poll. I just think it is inherently biased. Let me just point out one subtle way the poll ISskewed.

One choice is -I like the pool as it is. This pushes people to cast a vote implying they do not like the pool when in fact they might like it okay. People can like the pool as it is and still want it to be changed. A less biased way to get the same information is to simply give the choice "Leave the pool as it is."

Neither of us is a professional polltaker, but the way a poll is worded can be used to get different results...Disney claims to have polls that show people love Character Caravan and California Adventure and don't really want Early Entry. IF those polls show that I would like to see how they worded the choices...

Paul

PamOKW
02-11-2002, 08:27 PM
LOL! Paul, Disney is the master of wording the surveys. Every survey I ever received from DVC was worded towards what they planned to do. They never include multiple choices.

I'm very familiar with the science of poll taking and considering the wording of the questions etc., etc. This is really just for fun and was done quickly since the results would never hold up as a representative sample any way. :)

Granny
02-11-2002, 10:03 PM
When I think of OKW, the words "laid back" just leap into my mind, in the most positive of ways.

Somehow, a trumped-up pool seems out of character. But then again, the current pool is part of what defines the OKW character. I'd be reluctant to suggest that OKW owners pay to change the pool.

My kids enjoy slides and such, but really they seem to be happy as long as they can just get wet. My wife is happy as long as she can hang out by the pool and read a book.

I'm happy as long as they're happy.

vernon
02-12-2002, 06:25 AM
With the extra units built in place of Admiralty/Commadore House , coupled with higher usage as the resort sells out AND that members are likely not to feel the need of visiting the parks ALL THE TIME, I think DVC needs to look at upgrading it's pool offerings. I'm not overly bothered about a slide ( or life guard) but I do feel that there is a need for a larger ( or another large ) pool area. The main pool is a nice one BUT it's design does mean it feels full with a relatively small number of people. Anyone wishing to actually swim in it is hard pushed to do so if there are more than 20 people using the pool. IMHO it would be prohibitively expensive to add extra size to that pool but as the new buildings are all in that area as well, the main pool is in danger of getting too busy. I would suggest that redeveloping and expanding the quiet pool that you find by taking a right when you enter OKW ( Millar Road?) would be a cheaper option. By making that pool twice as big ( not adding extra drinks/food facilities) and an increase in seating area you could offer a pool that doubles as a lap pool for those that like to swim, and increase the pool area in that part of OKW without a massive increase in your year on year running costs. It would be a relatively small, one off cost that would help take the pressure off the main pool, and also offer another type of experiece for guests at the resort.

dtheboys
02-12-2002, 10:01 AM
Now, no one get upset, but we are OKW members, but we don't ever stay there!
It was the only game in town when I bought into DVC.
I have three kids that want a pool w/ a slide, and other activities. The Boardwalk, and Wilderness Lodge offers more for them.
WAIT!!!!! I like OKW or I wouldn't have bought in.
I think that DVC has to look at the future, and I think a new pool and slide is needed.
If I was a CHILD, and was asked where I would like to stay, given the three resorts.....OKW would be my last choice. Boardwalk and Wilderness Lodge offers a newer updated pool and slide. A much nicer game room, and places to snack and eat.
I would support and increase to update the pool , and build a slide.....
Just ask your kids and Grandkids where THEY would rather stay?
See what answer you get?
Thanks.....Hey " Don't shoot the messanger" This is just my opinion, and I respect your opinion!
Thanks

Chuck S
02-12-2002, 10:12 AM
I voted "leave as is"... not because of a dues increase, but because I really don't like pool slides. Also, I don't have kids. But injuries increase with slides, whether or not there is a lifeguard present. Even a fairly "minor" injury can wreck a vacation. Plus, if you really MUST have one, you could stay at another DVC resort, even if the do away with pool hopping. It not like we don't have options and alternatives.

PamOKW
02-12-2002, 10:49 AM
A much nicer game room, and places to snack and eat.

I'd actually like to see these improvements more than changing the pool.

Also, now don't take offense anyone, if it were possible for OKW to appeal to more adult vactioners that would be alright, too. ;)
I'm not sure of the demographics of owners and I imagine that people traveling with children continue to be the majority but if that weren't the case, I'd rather see some of the children's options cut back and the adult options beefed up.

dtheboys
02-12-2002, 11:00 AM
Pam,
It is nice knowing that we all care about DVC, even if we differ in our idea's!!!! It's people like you that keep DVC on there toes. By asking, and posting, we show DVC that we care about the present and future of our resorts.....Thanks for your posts!!!
Doug

PamOKW
02-12-2002, 11:48 AM
Thanks Doug. I think everyone is trying to share their ideas for what will make us all happy. Throwing around ideas, even ones that some of us don't like, could lead to something better for all of us. It's just when people get carried away with their dislikes and cut down a particular resort I kind of take offense. Comparing any DVC pool or villa to Motel 6 etc. is not being constructive, just mean-spirited, whether it's a slap at BWV, VWL or OKW.

Looking at this poll, you can see how difficult it is for DVC to know what to do. There are so many different people with different expectations that it's hard to find a clear majority for most decisions. I guess we have to trust the "experts" to know what will keep the majority happy. :)

AnnK
02-12-2002, 01:50 PM
I think OKW already appeals more to the "adult vacationer". I would be interested to know what "adult programs you would like to see "beefed up", and what children's programs you would like to see cut? Personally, your statement right there is what I perceive as the whole problem to OKW. There is that "adult" atmosphere, and WHAT ARE THE CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS, WHERE are they? I am not talking about an "unbirthday party" either. I realize OKW was the first built, but that doesn't mean they can't undate the facilities. The health club is ancient, it's smalll and the equiptment is minimal. The gameroom is pathetic. The community hall has nothing that appeals to a child over the age of 5 for any amount of time. That to me is why we never stay there, it's not just the small and boring "themed" pool,that feels claustrophobic when another family comes in, it's the fact that NOTHING has been done to upgrade in 10 years.
Sorry if this offends anyone, but it is my opinion and it is the reason we never stay there, even those GIGANTIC rooms don't compensate for the lack of children's activities.

mickey7861
02-12-2002, 03:23 PM
I wonder how many people who stay at OKW pool hop compared to the DVC members at the resorts with "activity" pools? I think it's probably fair to say that people pool hopping to OKW does not occur as much as it does at other resorts....or is it? Is the slide/upgrade unwanted because it would bring in more "hoppers" or is it strictly a dues question? I don't own at OKW, just trying to figure out why in the past 10 years this slide thing hasn't gathered more of a following. As far as OKW being more of an "adult" resort ..... although it is more laid back I know the huge room sizes are a big draw for my family. Of course my kids are older teens and the extra space is well used, they don't use the arcades, the pool is only to cool off or tan beside, and they'll be no unbirthday party ressies... I guess we're really 4 adults, maybe it is an adult resort!

robinb
02-12-2002, 03:32 PM
I would love to see a slide at OKW! My DD is only 2 now and just enjoys getting wet, but she will want something more in the future. Why should I give up my extra space and laid back OKW atmosphere to spend more points at BWV, VWL or BCV just so she can have fun in the pool? I think that the All Stars are the only other resorts without a slide.

ncligs
02-12-2002, 03:53 PM
We voted leave as is......... Thats the beauty of DVC, if you want to stay at one of the other DVC resorts.......you can make reservations at any of them at the 7 month window.....or 11 month window for your home resort.:D

PKS44
02-12-2002, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by robinb
I think that the All Stars are the only other resorts without a slide.

..and yet the ALL Star pools even without slides are still more themed and interactive than the OKW pool as I undertand it.... don't they have little squirting character fountains and islands in the pools, etc...? apparently All Stars, even doing it on the cheaper side, was able to do more than OKW had...

spruce
02-12-2002, 05:03 PM
I voted to keep the pool as it is.
This may be off topic but my Son is 15 and has been to WDW 7 times. When I was a kid, we went to the Jersey Shore twice. When my dad was a kid, they didn't vacation, they went to war. I do understand wanting the biggest and best for my son. Frankly, he's got it better then my generation or my Fathers generation.
It's a shame that without a slide or better themed pool, at WDW no less, children are bored when a swim in the creek was a thrill to those of us that didn't "have" as kids.
Maybe we should appreciate what we have. JMHO....spruce

Pluto4President
02-12-2002, 05:10 PM
I own a contract at OKW and would pay a little more in dues for the slide and lifeguard!

PamOKW
02-12-2002, 05:11 PM
LOL! Spruce. That's what runs through my mind all the time in these discussions. For Pete's sake, your in WDW for crying out loud. Why is the pool so important to the kids? Or is it more important to the parents to have what they think is best for the kids?

As to the adult things that could be done at OKW. Expanding and upgrading the gym would be a good start. It would also be nice to have a place to get an ice cream sundae and some light fare (like The Plaza). There are different crafts activities and the Unbirthday Party etc. for kids. It would be nice to once a week or so have "nibbles" available in the evening by the pool or some other type of social activity. An upgraded arcade for all would be good too.

Don't even go the route of saying we want an All-Star style pool at OKW!

robinb
02-12-2002, 06:28 PM
It's a shame that without a slide or better themed pool, at WDW no less, children are bored when a swim in the creek was a thrill to those of us that didn't "have" as kids.

Spruce, you must be talking about way back when River Country was the only water park on Disney propety :D.

BTW, I appreciate what we have ... but I still want a slide! And no, I don't was an All Stars type pool. Just a nice zero depth pool for the littlest DVC members and a nice slide for the bigger "kids". If that makes me spoiled, so be it! It wouldn't be the first time.

Dancind
02-12-2002, 06:41 PM
On our first trip to WDW, we spent 9 days at the Beach Club, my DD was barely 8. For her, SAB was one of the highlights of the trip! At almost 11, the pool is still a big deal. We have only stayed at OKW twice, as we are fairly new members, but have yet to swim in the pool. We did go by and look at it though. Next trip, we are staying at BWV. And guess what, she's excited about the pools! Yes, it's WDW, but do you have pools like that around town? We don't! It will break her heart if they do end pool hopping to SAB, guess we might have to figure out a way to afford BCV. Do I wish our home resort OKW had a nice pool? You bet! Diana

WOW
02-12-2002, 06:49 PM
Pam,
I thought your survey was very appropriate, very simple and to the point. We have been members since 94 and have always loved OKW. Our children were 15 and 16 at the time and they always loved OKW and still do. We have lots to compare to--pre-DVC we always stayed at the Poly and the pool was great. We have also stayed at Boardwalk (great location), pool hopped to the Yacht and Beach club pool and also some others. Everyone still prefers OKW and its' pool. We just love the laid back homey feeling there. It does take longer to get places, but when you are a member you really aren't in much of a hurry because you know there will be another day---Hakuna Matata.:D

PKS44
02-12-2002, 06:59 PM
This sounds too much like the old folks vs the young'ns. Anybody remember Dana Carvey's Old Man character? " Why when we were kids we didn't have rollee coasters- we just jumped off a hill-- and we liked it." Reminds of the old guy who said, "I've seen a lot of changes, and I've been against every one of them."

Seems this is becoming more a debate between those with kids and those that don't have kids. Wanting to make things more fun is as strong a desire for some as keeping things from changing is for others.

Spruce-
Creeks and lakes are fun- they have animals in them and trees to swing out off of and into the water. And rocks to dive off, and currents...Lots of interactive features...and as far as saying people should just appreciate what they have...well people are paying Disney a lot for the resort experience and some of us feel that the OKW pool is not up to the rest of current WDW resort standards. I mean if you are supposed to just be happy with what there is why ever build a new E-ticket ride or add an Epcot or MGM or AK for that matter? When we were kids MK was more than enough.

PamOKW -I am not sure what about the All Star pool features you don't like. I was not considering cheerleeders as part of the pool...

and robinb made me think of something else--a zero depth pool would not only be nicer for the little ones, but the bigger ones in wheelchairs too!

Paul

PamOKW
02-12-2002, 07:06 PM
I think you're missing my point Ann. I'm not aware of the details of what they provide for children's programs but they do provide them. I don't begrudge what they cost since other people are paying for the buses that I use and they don't. What I said was IF it turned out that people with children weren't the majority who were staying at OKW then maybe they could consider offering more things for the adults or balancing events. Currently, there aren't any adult programs.

What I am trying to say is that many of the members do like it the way it is. That seems to be coming across in this survey and is the result DVC got from their survey. This is the way the resort was sold with what I still maintain are beautiful pools. They don't have slides or other bells & whistles that, of course, appeal to children. I think SAB is great and if I was a kid I'd want to be there too. But, to put that in the setting of OKW would change the whole character of the place.

It boils down to some children don't like the OKW pools and their parents who would like to see something better at OKW for them to enjoy. However, that has to be balanced by the members and their families who very much like OKW the way it is.

Why is it distatsteful for me to want to enjoy the vacations that I have paid a great sum of money to take? Many people are expressing their feeling that a slide or other changes to the pools would enhance their vacations. I'm saying that things that would enhance my vacation would be updating the gym and arcade and maybe adding some social programs. ;) When we are in this for the long-term it's not ALL about keeping children happy. Of course, they should have things for them and babysitting etc., etc. However, Disney continues to market to adults and empty nesters about how great WDW is without kids. Well, let's see some of those programs also.

robinb
02-12-2002, 07:07 PM
AnnK:

I agree with a lot of what you said, except the thing about the "OKW Attitude" :rolleyes: . Even though I am an owner at OKW and have been told I have "an attitude" ;).

I just want to expland on one of your points. The thing about kids and pools is that many kids would just as soon spend time in the pool than go to a Disney park. Ask you average 10 year old boy: "BWV Terrifying Clown Pool or Beauty and the Beast at MGM?" and you know what answer you would get. You'd probably get the same answer from a 10 year old girl too :). Kids love to swim. Older kids love water slides. Adults love hot tubs. Two outta three at OKW isn't bad, but I want it all!

WOW
02-12-2002, 07:24 PM
I was reading more of these posts and I agree with Spruce.....Aren't we all becoming just a little spoiled? Remember your first trip to WDW? It was all magic-who cared about the pools, except that there was one-- to cool off and relax. Our poor deprived children need something other that the parks to be amused? I really think we need to revisit what is really important here. WDW is itself can be overwhelming for parents as well as children without all this worry about "themed" pools. If one needs the "theme", then there are plenty of options to choose from at WDW. As far as the "old folks" and "OKW attitude". Gimme a break!!!!!!

PamOKW
02-12-2002, 07:48 PM
Maybe one of the differences we are missing in this discussion is the basic conceptual difference between Old Key West -- the original Disney Vacation Club - and the other WDW resorts.

The other WDW resorts are hotel/motel establishments. The "shell" could be a Holiday Inn but it is dressed up to be a much nicer resort whether it's a Value resort or a Moderate. The Deluxe resorts are all distinctive hotels.

The Disney Vacation Club was built as something different. We've agreed before that it is much more of a luxury golf condo complex. As such, it has 4 smaller size pools rather than one large pool (or a theme pool and a quiet pool). Two of these pools offer snack service (since it is a resort) and more theming and other activities in the general area like the sand castle, playground, basketball, tennis, etc. It is more of a community than a hotel. In fact, it's not a hotel at all.

The only other resort on property comparable is DI. This was also built as a community type setting and has less emphasis on the pool area as well.

I can't comment on the set-up at Hilton Head but all the other DVC's are connected with hotels and have more of a hotel feel. (Vero is kind of a hybrid that was intended to be more like OKW but due to plan changes is more hotel-like). VWL, BWV & BCV have smaller rooms because they are more hotel like.

If you want to feel like you are at a hotel, then OKW takes getting used to and you may never come to love it. If you want to feel like you have a luxury vacation home then OKW is it and some can't get used to the hotel feel of BWV (Rich where are you?). Some of us love them all but we also love that they are different in some aspects. :)

PKS44
02-12-2002, 08:01 PM
I don't see how making the main pool more interactive would change the general atmosphere at OKW. The place is huge. There are areas for quiet reflection, walks, community feel. Other than the financial consequences on dues I don't know why anyone would want to deprive other resort guests of an onsite choice similar to what is offered at other resorts, hotel like or not. How would one pool change alter the whole resort?

BTW-I hold in my hand the Summer 2001 Disney magazine which had an article "The Best WDW Pools." OKW made it for the Village Pool being the Best Place for a Picnic Lunch.

Paul

PamOKW
02-12-2002, 08:45 PM
Paul, I understand and appreciate your suggestion for making some type of change at the OKW pool that would still keep the character of the resort. THat is something that has never been presented as an option by DVC. I don't know whether that would require a dues increase or would come out of the capital budget. I also don't know whether they would even need to ask or could just "do it".....like they can remodel the lobby or change the configuration of the restaurants. It's also something that I would probably support.

However, many of the pool who are dissatisfied with the pools now would not have their minds substantially changed by such an improvement. The benefit of the expense seems minimal. I'm not sure how DVC would make the decision.

AnnK
02-12-2002, 08:54 PM
PamOKW,
I had decided to stay out of this, but since you think I am missing the point I will say, I am in fact not missing anything.
You said if there should less children at OKW then maybe you could cut the "children's programs". I am asking you what they are? As I recall there wasn't much at all, nothing costly, and nothing of interest to most children over 5. So I wonder just what are you cutting? I also wonder at what amount of children you feel it is appropriate to cut the few little programs OKW offers out altogether. I know those spoiled rotten little kids didn't pay a dime to join, so why offer them anything at all?

What type of Adult programs would you like to see? Based on the cost of the kids programs you are cutting, maybe it would mean free pretzels.
:D

I don't put much faith in the survey results. It's the same old people taking the same old survey. Why would I expect the results to be any different now?

Yes the resort was sold this way 10 years ago. The pools are nice, but BORING, and claustrophobic for sure. All the other resorts have updated the pools, and they are very nice. I suspect that if DVC upgraded the pool they would do a beautiful job, and would keep it completely within the original "theme" of OKW.

Robinb you are an exception to the OKW attitude, ( and there are others out there too!) Funny thing is we bought BWV, added on OKW because BWV was not available in NY. Loved BWV, thought OKW was nice. It's these boards that have really soured me on OKW.


WOW,
The pool has always mattered to me when I stay at a resort. We go to Disney so often that many times we have no need of going to the parks, we just like to enjoy our resort. Sorry if you don't think that OKW people have the ADULTS first attitude, maybe you just haven't been reading these boards long enough......


PamOKW I don't think anyone is missing the condo/hotel difference. I am not sure why that means you don't need a fun pool or to update the other facilities. ( DI failed so what does that mean?:confused:

Paul,
I would agree they are good for having a picnic lunch.:D :D

AnnK
02-12-2002, 09:01 PM
that's all I am going to say on this subject. I do own a contract at OKW but I haven't stayed there in a few years. As long as I can trade into BWV, VWL or the upcoming BCV, I am not overly concerned with what happens at OKW. I leave that for the adult vacationers:D

PamOKW
02-12-2002, 09:31 PM
We're just a tiny little group of DVC members yakking away here. If I based whether I'd stay at certain resorts by what some people say on these boards I probably wouldn't even go to WDW.

I'm not a child hater (or even very old) as I seem to be perceived. Not sure how that happened. All I want to do is go to my "home" every once in awhile. I do want to see it maintained to current standards and I'm hoping DVC will do that. I would enjoy some enhancements to the pools but I do not feel a need to demand a slide. I would be willing to take a modest bump to pay for a lifeguard and would be willing to have dues increase to keep the entire resort up to the latest standards. I just have a problem singling out one particular feature i.e, a slide. If DVC feels an increase is needed to institute a program that will upgrade all aspects that's okay with me.

I don't know what the current children's programs are -- I have never had any reason to use them since all children who have traveled with me were pre-teen or older and more interested in hitting the parks. The remark about pretzels is kind of funny because I once told a DVC management type to drop the chips (at the socials they used to have) and give us a few extra towels at the time the charge was being instituted....we lost the chips and the towels. ;)

dtheboys
02-13-2002, 10:16 AM
Hi,
I wish that you could of incorporated the age of the member on this vote.
I feel that the older member wants the resort to stay the same...?
( I wonder how there grandchildren would vote?, I bet they would like a slide!)
Age, I feel is important in this vote.
I'm 40 and have three children, that want to stay anywhere , but OKW.
One restraunt, very poor game room, no slide, etc. I purchased OKW, because it was the only game in town....
We have never stayed at OKW since Boardwalk opened....
I don't blame the kids..... I think that OKW needs to improve, and update. Let's at least add a food court, etc.

dtheboys
02-13-2002, 10:25 AM
Leaving for Disney in 2 days SOOO
that's all I am going to say on this subject. I do own a contract at OKW but I haven't stayed there in a few years. As long as I can trade into BWV, VWL or the upcoming BCV, I am not overly concerned with what happens at OKW. I leave that for the adult vacationers

AnnK,
I agree, but we need to be concerned....What if we can't get in other resorts in the future? It is getting harder and harder to book at BWV.
We never stay at OKW, either......But I'm worried as more and more members won't stay at OKW, will be able to get into other resorts?
P.S......I'll beat everyone to the punch...who asks me then why did you buy at OKW? It was the only DVC property at the time I purchased.

spiceycat
02-13-2002, 11:40 AM
I am not sure about your age thing - I have always wanted a slide at OKW (even when I brought) because in the sales pitch - they claimed that it was just like a moderate - but the moderates have slides.

Now I don't generally do slides - but niece and nephew, not to mention my friends do.

When OKW did the survey and my side got out voted I asked to see the results - and the people who wanted a slide were out voted by about 90%. I don't know why - the slides at the moderates are not fancey (well CRS is) and the kids love them.

I agreed there is not enough for adults or kids to do at OKW - compare it to a Marriott.

When FW first opened - WDW had tons of programs for it and no one participated - everyone went to the parks. But I wish WDW would realize there is a diffence in DVC and people staying at WDW resorts. I was going to participate in the DI but WDW closed it to guests before I could.

Maybe some day....

spruce
02-13-2002, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by PKS44

BTW-I hold in my hand the Summer 2001 Disney magazine which had an article "The Best WDW Pools." OKW made it for the Village Pool being the Best Place for a Picnic Lunch.

Paul

Sure you can turn the interactivness of a creek around to bolster your argument but that misses my entire point.
Are you suggesting then that the OKW main pool is highly rated since it made a best of list or do you find fault with poolside picnics?
I'm 41 years old and bought when I was 37. I'm not quite ready for the retirement home.
I own at OKW and BWV and soon will own at BCV. I've followed the mantra of these boards, "Buy where you want to stay" Unfortunatly, those that bought early with a lower price and free passes didn't have a choice of where to buy. Those choices are there now though and it seems by trading in at 7 months some are using those choices but paying the lower OKW fees(good plan).
I don't care if the OKW pool is upgraded or not. It's a nice pool now and I own different choices. My glass is half-full but I don't drink so I don't need any cheese......spruce

GAIL HAYDEN
02-13-2002, 05:44 PM
I am not sure who made the sales pitch and grouped it with a moderate, because it is way above that. I was told it surpassed the deluxes. I agree with that statement.
I shudder when I think of a food court being built at OKW, but, then, I cannot stand food courts. If I wanted a food court I would stay at a moderate or value. Since they are on par with the deluxe resort, I think it should maintain the same quality.
The only deluxe I know of with any sort of food court is AKL.
But, I still would not even that at OKW.
Now, to the slide. I guess when we old fogies pass this on to our grandchildren they can then vote to have the slide they want so badly. After all, they will then be paying the dues. Perhaps the lack of slide and other exciting features at the pools are the reason we have pool hopping available to us. This way you can enjoy what makes your boat float without incurring additional dues.
OKW is supposed to be laid back, there is nothing laid back about noise that usually accompanies a water slide.
Now, if you want to make an improvement that would benefit us old fogies, perhaps enlarging the GS to it's orginal size would be great, get us soused and we will agree to the slide. ;)

PKS44
02-13-2002, 10:56 PM
spruce asked me in his post
Are you suggesting then that the OKW main pool is highly rated since it made a best of list or do you find fault with poolside picnics?

Neither-I was merely providing some additional information and opinion other than my own that I happened across.
I thought it was an interesting article with some great pictures of WDW pools.

Paul

dianeschlicht
02-14-2002, 06:11 AM
THe key to DVC is to have choices and flexibility. If we change the theme of OKW by making it more like the other offerings, it would limit our choices. I say leave it as is.

PKS44
02-14-2002, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by dianeschlicht
THe key to DVC is to have choices and flexibility. If we change the theme of OKW by making it more like the other offerings, it would limit our choices. I say leave it as is.

I agree about the theme issue. They should definitely make the new pool in the theme of OKW. They could change the pool, without changing the theme. Palm trees, lighthouses could all be incorporated into fun interactive elements and not just decorative accents as they are now. It just takes a little imagination to see it.

The choices and flexibility would be increased, since for those forced to stay at OKW now due to limited availability at the resorts with more recent pools are currently the ones who are limited by the choices available at the OKW resort. The change would give all DVC resort guests the flexibility at the resort of going to a quiet pool or a pool more likely to inspire those dreaded childish squeals of delight.

Paul

spruce
02-14-2002, 04:49 PM
Here are some other imagineering ideas for an enhanced OKW pool. We could put a winding staircase around the lighthouse and have a slide shooting off the top. We could have a water fall effect flowing over the edge of the bridge. How about an island in the pool with stools in the water and a bar so we can swim to get a drink. We could crack open a fire hydrant and spray each other with a fire hose. What else....anybody?
BTW, I'm kidding.....spruce

PamOKW
02-14-2002, 07:08 PM
How about an island in the pool with stools in the water and a bar so we can swim to get a drink

Oh no, can't have that! Some adults might like that and we want to be sure that adults don't have any fun at OKW.....they're all about to die off any minute now anyway. ;)

WebmasterDoc
02-14-2002, 07:58 PM
Some adults might like that and we want to be sure that adults don't have any fun at OKW.....

...although the fire hydrant idea sounds great! Just like in the "old" days, when we didn't have a pool at all and they'd just open the hydrants to let us enjoy some water on those hot summer days.

Of course, that reminds me of the days when I had to walk 4 miles to school every day, uphill ( both ways) , barefoot, in the snow, year round.

Ahhh, the good 'ol days. These young 'uns nowadays need sumthin' to entertain them all the time. Just imagine...squirting water out of a clown's nose while they race down a slide, listening to that shameless rock-n-roll music! ;)

:D :D :D :D :jester: :D :D :D :D

GAIL HAYDEN
02-14-2002, 08:18 PM
Actually Spruce, I love the hydrant idea, but........not sure this old ticker could take it. And, the swim up bar, ah, that is marvelous, but, there again, not sure we have the strength to swim, let alone lift the glass.
Now the slide off the top of the the lighthouse, interesting, great targets, can we have water guns, or........maybe tazers?

DeeP
02-14-2002, 09:59 PM
I am a DVC member with my home resort at BWV and I do happen to like this DVC resort the best. That is why I bought at BWV and was not even remotely interested in buying into DVC when there was only the choice of OKW.
However, I have stayed at OKW several times and I like the resort and I love the size of the 1 BR villa.
But come on, facts are facts.........OKW pools are small and leave a lot to be desired. During my stays at OKW we never used their pools, we went to BWV or Stromalong Bay. This is not saying that OKW is not a nice DVC resort, it is, but the pools and the pool bar could definitely use some expansion & updating. My children are late teens/young adults, so this opinion is solely mine and has nothing to do with young children wanting a pool slide.
Also, I must say, when I have stayed at OKW, I found them to have quite a few programs geared to young children and very few to adults and the many times I have stayed at BWV I have found them to have much less programs/activities vs OKW geared to any age group!