Just saw a clip on the news...

[Maistre Gracey]

Has anyone seen the clip, I believe at DL, where Pluto was chasing a kid? It was obviously not a friendly, playful chase. It appeared as though the mother actually stopped Pluto, and pushed him to the ground.
Perhaps I misinterpreted the whole thing, but if so the news people did as well. It didn't look good.

I saw the clip on "Tucker" on MSNBC earlier tonight.

MG

[Maistre Gracey]

I googled "disneyland pluto chase". Lots of hits, but here's just one.

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/14/pluto-flips-out-at-d.html

MG

[EUROPACL]

This kind of talk got me in trouble the other day...but the problem with the clip is that you only see the chase and the push. You have no idea of the context or what happened before the clip starts.

[Maistre Gracey]

This kind of talk got me in trouble the other day...but the problem with the clip is that you only see the chase and the push. You have no idea of the context or what happened before the clip starts.
It most cases I would agree, however it's hard to justify chasing a kid at top speed for that distance.

MG

[BubblPopElectrc]

There a number of threads about it so it's nothing super new. :)

[Maistre Gracey]

There a number of threads about it so it's nothing super new. :)
Okay, thanx. I did look, but perhaps not carefully enough.. :smokin:

MG

[EUROPACL]

It most cases I would agree, however it's hard to justify chasing a kid at top speed for that distance.

MG

I don't know looks to me that Pluto could have caught the kid if he wanted to. Looks like he was just playing around and carried it a little too far. Notice you didn't see a handler come running up and take Pluto backstage plus the kid came right back up to Pluto at the end of the video. Its just another case of not getting the whole video from start to finish.


edit to add...just look at the buzz over that College kid getting tazzed at the Kerry event....now read this.

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

[Maistre Gracey]

I don't know looks to me that Pluto could have caught the kid if he wanted to. Looks like he was just playing around and carried it a little too far. Notice you didn't see a handler come running up and take Pluto backstage plus the kid came right back up to Pluto at the end of the video. Its just another case of not getting the whole video from start to finish.


edit to add...just look at the buzz over that College kid getting tazzed at the Kerry event....now read this.

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS
You may be right, but in the best light it's bad judgment on Pluto's part.
It's also hard to get past the way Pluto waves his finger at the mother. It just doesn't look playful if you ask me.

I didn't go to the tazer link, but I did see two different versions on the news. The abbreviated version made the kid look like a victim, but once you see the entire video...

MG

[PowerMonkey]

i think this can go both ways....they might have been playing around, but someone took it the wrong way.. but pluto is running awfully fast if it was just a playful thing... but than again, his reaction when he loses the kid is kinda playful (the "oh noeeeesss" gesture)... until he got pushed.... it really is one of those things where you have to see both sides

[Demosthenes]

I didn't go to the tazer link, but I did see two different versions on the news. The abbreviated version made the kid look like a victim, but once you see the entire video...

MG

I don't know. I saw he entire video, and whole the kid is being very disruptive, he did nothing to warrant being tazered. I think non-lethal weapons are one of the worst ideas in law enforcement; it is like spanking a child, and while it can be beneficial in the right circumstance, it is more likely to be overused and abused.

[DancingBear]

It doesn't appear that the woman who stopped Pluto is the Mom--there is another woman at the end of the video (after Pluto gets up after falling over the curb) that appears to be the mom--not clear if the two women were together or not.

[ukwildcat]

You may be right, but in the best light it's bad judgment on Pluto's part.
It's also hard to get past the way Pluto waves his finger at the mother.

How do you know that lady was his mother? Maybe it was just some lady who thought the kid was being harassed.

[Wick]

Wow. Not quite sure what to make of that. Never seen a character act like that. Looks like he was playing around and just got a little too carried away.

[EUROPACL]

It doesn't appear that the woman who stopped Pluto is the Mom--there is another woman at the end of the video (after Pluto gets up after falling over the curb) that appears to be the mom--not clear if the two women were together or not.

Not sure if she is the mother but if you watch at the very end two women appear the one that pushed and another, there are also two kids dressed just alike the one being chased and another. Both of them walk right up to Pluto again. So I'm still not thinking there was anything bad going on. Looks like they were part of a group or people that just like to dress their kids up the same.

[DancingBear]

Not sure if she is the mother but if you watch at the very end two women appear the one that pushed and another, there are also two kids dressed just alike the one being chased and another. Both of them walk right up to Pluto again. So I'm still not thinking there was anything bad going on. Looks like they were part of a group or people that just like to dress their kids up the same.I guess I assumed that the woman holding the hand of the one kid, who is dressed the same as running boy, was the mom, but maybe it is as you say and the two women are together. The running boy clearly comes back around Pluto next to the second woman, but I don't know if I'd say he "walked right up to Pluto" again.

[EUROPACL]

he did nothing to warrant being tazered. I think non-lethal weapons are one of the worst ideas in law enforcement; it is like spanking a child, and while it can be beneficial in the right circumstance, it is more likely to be overused and abused.

Apparently the kid does not think so.

Worst ideas? Really? Wow just Wow.

[Mickmse2002]

I don't know. I saw he entire video, and whole the kid is being very disruptive, he did nothing to warrant being tazered. I think non-lethal weapons are one of the worst ideas in law enforcement; it is like spanking a child, and while it can be beneficial in the right circumstance, it is more likely to be overused and abused.

Are you in law enforcement?

I can think of a lot worse ideas..........

[EUROPACL]

Are you in law enforcement?

I can think of a lot worse ideas..........

Right..nothing worse then only have a choice of fist fighting a suspect or shooting them.

[Wick]

Right..nothing worse then only have a choice of fist fighting a suspect or shooting them.

I know it's off topic but as per the taser incident:
The kid was being a ******** and removing him was justifiable. But the police tasered him while he was on the ground and allegedly already handcuffed. No need for a taser at that point as he poses no threat.

[Tink's Tormentor]

Regardig the Pluto tape:

Looks playful to me until that other woman decided to hurt Pluto.... I think Pluto thought the kid was Michael Vick in disguise, and instead of going to Bad Newz Kennels, he chased the kid....

[cxcelica]

If you watch the video closely the woman who yells and then pushes Pluto off the sidewalk is video taping the whole thing. After Pluto gets up it looks like she begins filming again. If you really thought Pluto was attacking your child, would your main concern really be filming it.....I would think I would put the camera down and stop Pluto. HMMM unless...

[RescueRanger]

I know it's off topic but as per the taser incident:
The kid was being a ******** and removing him was justifiable. But the police tasered him while he was on the ground and allegedly already handcuffed. No need for a taser at that point as he poses no threat.


Wrong! I work in law enforcement and I can tell you just because they are in handcuffs, doesn't mean they have stopped resisting or fighting. How would you like to be hit by someone that is flailing around with METAL hand cuffs on their wrists. In fact, they just had an article on MSN.com about a man with no arms who head butted someone and killed them. So, as you can see, just because they are handcuffed doesn't mean they are compliant.

[BMNABrinx]

cxcelica, I noticed the videotaping "mom" too. Almost appears that she was trying to hard to get something on tape. I didn't think it looked like the kid was in any danger or feeling threatened at any time. Wonder if this one will end up in a courtroom? I sure hope not.

[Wick]

Wrong! I work in law enforcement and I can tell you just because they are in handcuffs, doesn't mean they have stopped resisting or fighting. How would you like to be hit by someone that is flailing around with METAL hand cuffs on their wrists. In fact, they just had an article on MSN.com about a man with no arms who head butted someone and killed them. So, as you can see, just because they are handcuffed doesn't mean they are compliant.

I may not have worked in law enforcement like yourself but I have family members who have. Regardless, you don't have to have experience in the field to know when an authority figure has overstepped his bounds. Yes, people can still be threatening while in handcuffs. But it is the responsibility of the officer(s) to guage each situation individually. Clearly, there was plenty of backup, the kid was cuffed face-down on the floor and wasn't flailing about.
What did cops do before tasers were available?
And in response to your article reference, I saw an article on drudge yesteray where a woman was tasered and died as a result. So it can swing both ways.

Sorry for getting off topic guys!

[April76]

Take another look at the video.

Yes, the lady does grab Pluto, but I'm not sure she pushed.

It looks to me that Pluto turns and lost track of where the curb is -- it looks like his foot misses the curb and he loses his balance and falls. JMHO

[BatDisney]

I used to - at the Zoo here in San Antonio. I was a Koala. I was hit, kicked, pinched, dragged, pushed, pulled, and bitten. Kid had to do something to set him off. If the kid was innocent - he would have run straight to mom - not around the flower bed like he did.

The guy in the pluto suit had to be hurt pretty bad to be set off like that - every cast member knows it's their job if they are doing anything like that - so it must have been pretty bad to make him run like that.

Lise

[mitros]

Take another look at the video.

Yes, the lady does grab Pluto, but I'm not sure she pushed.

It looks to me that Pluto turns and lost track of where the curb is -- it looks like his foot misses the curb and he loses his balance and falls. JMHO

Exactly. Doesn't appear that the woman "pushed' Pluto. He simply missed the curb and went down. And if I'm not mistaken, isn't the woman smiling, if not laughing?