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kimis
08-13-2007, 08:48 AM
:sad2: I just got back from a trip to DL with my son, daughter in law and the three of my grandchildren. We had a blast for the most part.
You wouldn't believe some of the adults we came accross:eek:
My 5 year old granddaughter was honestly putting her leg into an astro jet for the ride when an adult women literally came over and pushed her out so she could have the jet. She wanted to be close to her friend who was behind my granddaughter. I was coming up from the other side and saw the whole thing. I hollered out that the child was there first but the lady just put her head down and covered her face with her hair. Yes my granddaughter found another jet to get in but really? I was so shocked! If I wouldn't have seen it I may not have believed it.
I told my granddaughter that I was sorry that happened and maybe the lady was just having a bad day.:mad:

4bugzinarug
08-13-2007, 09:02 AM
Wow! Some people. I really think that being @ Disneyland intensifies the cluelessness of certain personaility types. Maybe if the woman covered her face with her hair she realized what she had done and was slightly embarassed? Hopefully :-)

How wonderful that you went with your grandchildren!! My kids went the first time with my parents, it was such a special thing for them!

DisneySuiteFreak
08-13-2007, 09:12 AM
:sad2: That's really SAD and disgusting. Where were the CMs? :confused: Didn't they notice the commotion? I'm really surprised that they didn't ask the person to get off the ride -- that was just RUDE! If I ever saw an adult stranger put their hands on my kid when he was that age, they would have had h-e- double l to pay. :mad: She's just lucky your grandaughter didn't immediately start screaming about this adult stranger hurting her or touching her. She would've been in deep you-know-what then!
It was really ignorant of her to do that. Hello? She's the adult. It wouldn't have killed her to go on another jet. I know Disney brings out the kid in most of us, but geez...:confused:

Albort
08-13-2007, 11:41 AM
:sad2: That's really SAD and disgusting. Where were the CMs? :confused: Didn't they notice the commotion? I'm really surprised that they didn't ask the person to get off the ride -- that was just RUDE! If I ever saw an adult stranger put their hands on my kid when he was that age, they would have had h-e- double l to pay. :mad: She's just lucky your grandaughter didn't immediately start screaming about this adult stranger hurting her or touching her. She would've been in deep you-know-what then!
It was really ignorant of her to do that. Hello? She's the adult. It wouldn't have killed her to go on another jet. I know Disney brings out the kid in most of us, but geez...:confused:

CMs cant catch everything my friend. Most likely, the CM was still controlling the line going into the ride and didnt see it...

Your best choice would either to A) let it go, or B) tell a CM about it if there isnt another one left...

DisneySuiteFreak
08-13-2007, 12:06 PM
CMs cant catch everything my friend. Most likely, the CM was still controlling the line going into the ride and didnt see it...

Your best choice would either to A) let it go, or B) tell a CM about it if there isnt another one left...

You're right. And I hope you didn't take that as a personal attack on CMs. :) Obviously they can't be everywhere all the time.
Ultimately, the rude adult was just wrong to grab a complete stranger (who also happened to be a young child). Would she have grabbed an adult that way? I think most Disneylovers have the ability to let things go, but when it comes to an adult stranger putting their grubby hands on a child they don't know...Uh uh. That's where I would draw the line. (Especially if it were my child.)
Honestly, if it were reported to a CM after the fact, what, if anything could have been done? If it wasn't witnessed by the CM, it would be one person's word against the other's. The other person had an adult friend with her who could easily lie to cover for her friend. (Sad to say, but it happens.) I'm afraid that this type of behavior is becoming more commonplace everywhere. And that's sad. :sad2:

Albort
08-13-2007, 01:03 PM
You're right. And I hope you didn't take that as a personal attack on CMs. :) Obviously they can't be everywhere all the time.
Ultimately, the rude adult was just wrong to grab a complete stranger (who also happened to be a young child). Would she have grabbed an adult that way? I think most Disneylovers have the ability to let things go, but when it comes to an adult stranger putting their grubby hands on a child they don't know...Uh uh. That's where I would draw the line. (Especially if it were my child.)
Honestly, if it were reported to a CM after the fact, what, if anything could have been done? If it wasn't witnessed by the CM, it would be one person's word against the other's. The other person had an adult friend with her who could easily lie to cover for her friend. (Sad to say, but it happens.) I'm afraid that this type of behavior is becoming more commonplace everywhere. And that's sad. :sad2:

I didnt really mean to give you that impression to be honest... as a ex Knotts Berry Farm Ride Operator, i would usually kick the lady off the ride if it was bad... if not, id just take either the adult back into line OR let the granddaughter and family wait outside the exit and have them get first pick of the rocket before letting in the general line... :)

tinkerbelt
08-13-2007, 01:44 PM
We saw two families get into a fight over the front car on the monorail the other night. I am not sure who got there first, but there were two families, and the CM told them that it was first come, first served. One family got in, and the mom from the other family yelled at them to get some manners, and the dad from the other family got out and yelled that they were there first, and she needed to get some manners, and that she could go screw herself. The mom started ranting, and her husband was like "it's not a big deal, let's just sit back there", but she dragged her kids and stormed off (her entire family looked annoyed, like they just wanted to get on the monorail). We ended up waiting for the next monorail, and the angry mom and her family showed up with a supervisor in tow, who told the CMs at the monorail that they had to let the family ride in the front - which sucked for the family who had already been waiting for the front row. I mean honestly, I don't see the big deal. The monorail comes every couple of minutes, and you honestly don't see anything in the front that you don't see from everywhere else. It's not worth getting upset about.

On Saturday night, I was taking DD to see Fantasmic for her birthday, and on the way there, we got surrounded by a family with two ECV's and a stroller, and they were using all 3 to shove their way through the crowd and push people out of the way. The woman driving the ECV tried to shove past my DD (who is only 4), and she ran over her foot in the process. She didn't even bother to stop or say sorry, she just said something to her friend about how people needed to get out of her way, and then she took off. DD was unable to walk, and instead of watching Fantasmic on her birthday, she had to sit in the first aid station while the nurse checked her foot. She is ok now, but she could not walk for the rest of the night, and we ended up not getting to watch Fantasmic or ride Pirates - which were the two things that she wanted to do most for her birthday.

Lostgirlz
08-13-2007, 02:38 PM
I can't believe an adult with the sense, and knowledge would treat a child that way, and even more so in a public theme park like Disneyland. I know the excitement and magic of Disney can be overwhelming, but not to the point you start knocking down little ones. I am sorry that happened she's lucky it was not my child, cause heh covering her face wouldnt have saved her from some choice words I would have had for her.

inkkognito
08-13-2007, 02:59 PM
I personally like to use the embarrassment element with people like that (this must be done in a very loud but calm/incredulous voice vs. hysterical ranting): "You just pushed a child! Wow, I can't believe it, a big adult like you actually pushed a child! An adult, and you actually put your hands on my child...it's illegal and you still did it...I am shocked that you dared to touch a child!" etc. etc. She'd freakin' well have reason to hide behind her hair because I'd make sure that everyone in the vicinity was looking at her with scorn.

Carter'sMommy
08-13-2007, 06:33 PM
We were at MTTM and waiting for the ceremonies to start (approx 10 mins. before showtime) So DH and myself got 2 seats (plenty of open seats as there were just a few people starting to gather) and headed over 20 feet to set them up at vacant table that had no seats. We noticed that DS4 (actually 5 because it was on his Bday) was getting his own (very heavy cast iron) chair...how cute we thought.
When out of the blue this B**** (who later we find out is a mother herself) comes running up to him as he was just about to sit down and what does she do .....she pulls the chair from beneath him and he goes crashing down to the hard cement.

DH and myself jumped up to see if DS was okay and all this lady did was yell... "That d... child STOLE the chair that I WAS going to sit in"!! Once we determined that DS was okay-- I layed into the woman (calmly I might add) "Oh.... so you OWN that chair please let me see your receipt so I can confirm the purchase other wise the chair is HIS!
Now... there were 10+ other chairs in the area that she could have taken for her use. NOooooo... she had to walk over to DS and take that particular one back. ARGHHHHHhhhhhhh!
Her family was in a giftshop behind us and heard the comotion and came out, her husband tried to calm her down for getting so irate at my DS for "stealing" her chair. She just kept going on and on.. she looked like an idiot!

Well a group of CMs saw the WHOLE thing and came over to DS to make sure he was okay and started to talk to him (they noticed that he was wearing a "Happy Birthday" pin and asked how old he was and where he was from etc... after a few minutes they moved on because the show was about to start.

The MC welcomed the crowd and announced that they had a SPECIAL guest today.... it was DS!!!!!!! The MC had him come up to the stage and when he got there he had the crowd sing HB to him!! That moment was PRICELESS!!!

After it was over DH and myself just looked back at the "wicked" woman and smiled REAL big.

Albort
08-13-2007, 06:40 PM
I personally like to use the embarrassment element with people like that (this must be done in a very loud but calm/incredulous voice vs. hysterical ranting): "You just pushed a child! Wow, I can't believe it, a big adult like you actually pushed a child! An adult, and you actually put your hands on my child...it's illegal and you still did it...I am shocked that you dared to touch a child!" etc. etc. She'd freakin' well have reason to hide behind her hair because I'd make sure that everyone in the vicinity was looking at her with scorn.

hahahahahaha... thats a good point... the kid should just start crying out loud going "THAT PERSON PUSHED ME!!! WAAAAAAAH!"

the parent would go GOOD JOB! "YOU PUSHED A KID!!!" *applause!* :P

would love to see the adult's reaction... :P

i did that once in the parking lot full of people :) the parents got sooo embarassed they drove away... :P

ShawnaF
08-13-2007, 11:31 PM
I'm so sorry to all of you who have experienced this - and especially to the two kids who got hurt, in particular on their birthdays too! I hope the kids don't remember THOSE parts of their trips.

I don't know what's wrong with people, but yeah, it sure seems to be happening everywhere a lot more often. I can't do crowds for one of those reasons - people just start pushing and complaining and it drives me insane.

Adults...man oh man. Take deep breaths and relax!

4bugzinarug
08-14-2007, 12:22 AM
The woman driving the ECV tried to shove past my DD (who is only 4), and she ran over her foot in the process. She didn't even bother to stop or say sorry, she just said something to her friend about how people needed to get out of her way, and then she took off. DD was unable to walk, and instead of watching Fantasmic on her birthday, she had to sit in the first aid station while the nurse checked her foot.

Jiminy! I wonder if that is the kind of situation that merits filing assault charges. OH MAN I would be livid! Your poor daughter!

As for the monorail experience, there is something about the herd/crowd mentality that makes me very nervous. You just never know when some nut job is going to go uncorked & postal over someone pushing ahead of them. That's one of the reasons we try to go in off season ... I get somewhat claustrophobic in crowds. But then, I have seen actual fights/physical assaults break out over stupid things like "I was first in line!". And that doesn't just affect the morons doing the fighting! :sad2:

At a trade show in Vegas, we were in a crowd waiting for shuttle buses to take us back to the hotel. EVERYONE was tired, and had been waiting for at least an hour in line. We are talking about hundreds, possibly thousands of people waiting hours for shuttle buses to their hotels, crammed shoulder to shoulder. When we were third in line and the bus pulled up, a group of about 15-20 people traveling together pushed ahead of our line. I am telling you, I would have given ANYTHING to be out of that herd at that time. My opinion was that being "third in line" is nowhere NEAR as important as keeping cool and coming home safe to my family. An all out verbal assult took place between people both in front of us and behind us, and it nearly became a physical riot. All of this at a BUSINESS convention. :mad: :scared: :mad: WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!

JawsFan
08-14-2007, 05:34 AM
I must say that when we took the trip to California in 2003 i was disgusted with the attitude of the majority of the people i came across. We stayed @ the Radisson which is right next to Knott's Berry Farm & one morning during breakfast, me & my family were eating breakfast in the hotel restaurant and the waitress came over and told us that we needed to hurry up and eat our breakfast because there were people waiting to get on our table, this was 15 minutes after arriving for breakfast and this was not the worst attitude we experienced @ the hotel during our stay- I was not impressed with the hotel, the trip or "THE WALK OF FAME".....:sad2:

DisneySuiteFreak
08-14-2007, 06:19 AM
Well a group of CMs saw the WHOLE thing and came over to DS to make sure he was okay and started to talk to him (they noticed that he was wearing a "Happy Birthday" pin and asked how old he was and where he was from etc... after a few minutes they moved on because the show was about to start.

The MC welcomed the crowd and announced that they had a SPECIAL guest today.... it was DS!!!!!!! The MC had him come up to the stage and when he got there he had the crowd sing HB to him!! That moment was PRICELESS!!!

After it was over DH and myself just looked back at the "wicked" woman and smiled REAL big.

:dance3: YAY! There is justice in this world! She must've been steaming! :lmao:

Albort
08-14-2007, 11:33 AM
well, you guys are lucky... i get rude guest TONS of times... I had this one guest cuss me out about his son... i was happy his wife smacked him in the back of the head for it... hahhahahhahaha...

Another is i know and understand Chinese... i had an grandma, a mom, and a son... so i tell them it cost $4. The grandma handed the son $2. then tells grandma that it isnt enough in chinese. the grandma said, well just give it to him and see what he would do in chinese. and started to annoy me because they were acting dumb... then i showed them 4 fingers and they finally gave in... then as usual, i said goodbye in chinese and they fleed quickly :P

seriously... dont ever play dumb with a CM or it might just end up on the internet :P

bouncy54
08-14-2007, 11:44 AM
well, you guys are lucky... i get rude guest TONS of times... I had this one guest cuss me out about his son... i was happy his wife smacked him in the back of the head for it... hahhahahhahaha...

Another is i know and understand Chinese... i had an grandma, a mom, and a son... so i tell them it cost $4. The grandma handed the son $2. then tells grandma that it isnt enough in chinese. the grandma said, well just give it to him and see what he would do in chinese. and started to annoy me because they were acting dumb... then i showed them 4 fingers and they finally gave in... then as usual, i said goodbye in chinese and they fleed quickly :P

seriously... dont ever play dumb with a CM or it might just end up on the internet :P

I had several people do the same thing at my yard sales this summer They pretended not to understand English then get the shock of their lives when my DH's uncle lets them know that he understands their Spanish perfectly.

Come on people...Most of us know that tres = 3, not 1...we're not all dumb Yankee Americans! :rotfl:

Hound 109
08-14-2007, 11:44 AM
...... the grandma said, well just give it to him and see what he would do in chinese. and started to annoy me because they were acting dumb... then i showed them 4 fingers and they finally gave in... then as usual, i said goodbye in chinese and they fleed quickly :P

seriously... dont ever play dumb with a CM or it might just end up on the internet :P

:rotfl: That's classic, Albort. Good for you. :thumbsup2


hound - :rotfl2:

Hambletfamily
08-14-2007, 02:25 PM
We were there over 4th of July and seen plenty of rudeness especially riding the shuttle. Everyone should have gotten in a line. No they basically crowded so the people whom should have gotten on first were almost last. That happened to us 1 time. The next times we actually pushed back.

Another time I seen rude people was in character lines especially on main street if there is not CM - People cut and almost jump into your pictures. I was standing in line waiting to see Minnie and it seemed like every child was cutting in front of me. Of course the parents shoving them. I just think it's plain rude.

kiwitravel
08-14-2007, 03:44 PM
Another time I seen rude people was in character lines especially on main street if there is not CM - People cut and almost jump into your pictures. I was standing in line waiting to see Minnie and it seemed like every child was cutting in front of me. Of course the parents shoving them. I just think it's plain rude.

We experienced this too, but I politely told people that there is a line and you have to wait back there and pointed to the end of the line. Most of the time I was the only one speaking out and thats why these people keep doing this.... because it works for them. Its arrogance and selfishness and a belief that they are somehow more important than everyone else.

There is safety in numbers if more people speak out or even just support those that are speaking out then perhaps society can change these people. If I had seen some of the things posted on this thread I would have spoken out to support the person wronged, not get into a shouting match, just been there to help where I could and back the person wronged.

As said in a previous thread on this issue though, the world is a dangerous place and above all else keep safe. DL is a safe place, the parking lot of a 7/11 is not.

lisadoll93
08-14-2007, 05:21 PM
Sometimes, I think all manners are left at the gate.

We were getting on Casey Jr. DS uses a GAC, so typically he gets seated first. So, he choose the monkey cage and starts climbing in. This woman freaks out!!! I mean it was crazy. Her husband tells her its not big deal pick another one. She starts "nevermind the ride is ruined".

I smile nicely and tell her "there is plenty of room for all of us" Then she asked very rudely "why does he get to pick frist" So I tell her "he is a close personal friend of Mickey, didn't you know"

The thing is there were other cages and I would have move DS but she started acting all crazy.

karin6996
08-14-2007, 07:29 PM
So my story actually happened at WDW last weekend, but it fits right in with this thread about self-absorbed rude people. We were standing in the queue at Soarin with hundreds of people. The line spanned 8-10 people across. We had been waiting about 10 mins of the 60 min wait when the 3 y/o child in front of us announced she needed to use the restroom. Her parents responded with "you'll have to hold it". Well about 40 mins later the child could not hold it any longer and proceeded to have an accident.

Now accidents happen and it was definitely not the child's fault. Unbelievably, the parents cleaned up the child but left the large puddle on the floor for the rest of the hundreds of guests behind to walk through, most of whom were in sandals or flip flops. :confused3 We actually saw the Mom approach the CM at the front of the line and anticipated her soliciting help, but to our amazement she said "party of three." Well, we very loudly announced the circumstances to the Cast Member so that the family could hear the exchange and actually walked the CM back to the area in line so it could be cleaned up.

As we stepped out of the queue and headed directly to the loading area through direction of the CM, we gave a smile to the family that was now behind us. I just hope next time they think a bit more about public health concerns:sick:

4bugzinarug
08-14-2007, 07:35 PM
OH GROSS!!! I can't believe parents would just LEAVE their child's URINE for others to walk in! Nasty nasty nasty.

These are the kinds of stories that make me want to cary hand sanitzer and wet wipes EVERYWHERE, even though my kids are now in elementary school, LOL!

A N D ... what is WITH them making a THREE YEAR OLD wait to go potty! At that age, when a kid says PEE ... you run to the nearest potty-ing receptacle. Even if it is a bush in the middle of the desert on the long drive to Disneyland. Since when is a ride more important than sparing a 3 year old's embarassment (yes, they can and do get embarassed of their accidents at that age).

disneyfanatic4
08-14-2007, 08:41 PM
Unfortunately I had a similar experience with strangers putting their hands on my child. We were waiting to go on TOT and we were in front of the elevators where you stand in the numbered lines. After the CM told the line next to us to enter, my DS9 accidentally started to go in and the gentleman that was in the line next to us actually grabbed my sons shoulders to hold him back. I was LIVID. :mad: I said something to my DH behind me but did not make a fuss because my DS9 was not hurt. I did not enjoy that particular ride, though, because I was so angry that I could hardly even think straight. I am just amazed at what some people think they can get away with. Of course, I guess I was the one this time that "let" him get away with it. I think I was in too much of a shock that someone would put their hands on my child right in front of me.

4bugzinarug
08-14-2007, 10:38 PM
I think I was in too much of a shock that someone would put their hands on my child right in front of me.

That pretty much hits the nail on the head as to why so many children don't speak up and say something if an adult or other child touches them. It's probably just the pure shock of having something like that happen & not fully seeing how to react. If we as adults are dumbfounded and confused, imagine how the kids feel! :sad2: EXAMPLE: My 4 year old was punched in the face by an 11 year old at his old daycare as I arrived to pick him up. Very shocking thing to see, hard to know how to react.

Boy, we sure need those happy Disney memories this year! That's the great thing about Disneyland, it seems to replace so many of the crummy moments in life with the wonderful, joyful moments we experience there! :love: :hourglass :love:

Hound 109
08-14-2007, 11:01 PM
Unfortunately I had a similar experience with strangers putting their hands on my child. We were waiting to go on TOT and we were in front of the elevators where you stand in the numbered lines. After the CM told the line next to us to enter, my DS9 accidentally started to go in and the gentleman that was in the line next to us actually grabbed my sons shoulders to hold him back. I was LIVID. :mad: I said something to my DH behind me but did not make a fuss because my DS9 was not hurt. I did not enjoy that particular ride, though, because I was so angry that I could hardly even think straight. I am just amazed at what some people think they can get away with. Of course, I guess I was the one this time that "let" him get away with it. I think I was in too much of a shock that someone would put their hands on my child right in front of me. I'm not sure how this relates (to rudeness). What was he trying to "get away with"?

Certainly he shouldn't have touched your son, but was he purposefully inappropriate or just not thinking. (Note: only in the past 10 years or so would such an incedent - as I'm reading it -be a topic.) I wasn't there, so if i'm reading this wrong, i'm sorry for bringing this question up.

kiwitravel
08-14-2007, 11:31 PM
I with Hound a bit on this one.....

Not sure how it relates to rude behaviour as such, may have been just a reflex action of seeing someone about to do something they weren't supposed to. Probably a little inappropriate as there was no chance of your son coming to harm from his misdeed, but a far cry from some of the other postings here.

But as Hound said its a little hard for us to judge as we weren't there.

JenDisneylandlver
08-15-2007, 01:10 PM
Well I can see why disneyfanatic4 was upset. I don't think it's right to ever put your hands on someone else's child. Apparently these adults were never taught to keep their hands to themselves!

If you want to say something that's okay. Like "oh it's not our turn yet!" Or something, but grabbing them by the shoulders is not appropriate. Would you be okay with, as an adult, a stranger grabbed you by the shoulders? Ever? Not me!

kiwitravel
08-15-2007, 03:24 PM
I think what Hound and I are trying to get at is if you saw someone elses child about to do something that would cause them harm you would stop them whether verbally or in more extreme situations physically. Its often a reflex thing with kids (especially if you have your own) you do it because children do not have the judgement capabilities of adults (well most of us anyway). You would not be so quick to do it for an adult, I just hope that we are not turning into a world where we let harm come to other kids simply out of fear of reprisals of going near someone elses kids.

I am not condoning this strangers behaviour, I agree he should have said something, not done something. If it was just a reflex action he should have immediately apologised. But in the context of this thread (kids having chairs removed from under them, kids physically removed from a ride) I just feel its not in the same league.

Hound 109
08-15-2007, 04:43 PM
Kiwi stated my thoughts exactly.

BTW - I am a parent & like many "dads".....i volunteer coach various Y league teams (that my 8 y/o son is on).

I'm having to "touch" kids often, just in the last week (in coaching basketball for 8 & 9 y/o), I have:

- yank them off the court so they don't get run over.
- pull their arms up over their heads so they understand how to play defense in the post.
- show how to "pop" the wrist for a proper jump shot.

Granted it's all in the open (thank god) & obviously never inappropriate.....but touching occurs. The day that anyone shows concern or anger towards me (in regards to this) is the day I would "retire" from all volunteer work forever.

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JenDisneylandlver
08-15-2007, 05:51 PM
I guess I just don't see how this situation was harmful. Sounds to me like the child was accidently moving forward in line when they weren't supposed to. It's not like they were falling off of a ride, now that is dangerous and a harmful situation. In this case saying something is all that would be needed. Or let the parents handle it. Just as I wouldn't want to be grabbed for just moving forward in line, I wouldn't want anyone doing that to my child either. Using ones voice works wonders for situations like that! JMO of course.

Hound, the things you describe as being a coach is also a different story IMV. A coach isn't a stranger and they are trying to teach a sport. I can understand that also. But in public I let the parents do the parenting, and I'll speak up if I must, but I wouldn't touch a strangers child.

XTinabell
08-16-2007, 05:56 AM
I hope this doesn't turn into a battle, but I have to agree with Jen. As an adult you wouldn't want some stranger to grab your shoulders because you made a mistake, now children are much more sensitive imagine how they feel? It was inappropriate and the man hsould have said...It's not your turn yet. It sounded like it was an act of violence, not an act of I'm caring for you so you don't get hurt.

Anyways, enough of that, people always say Disneyland brings out the child in us all, and yes it does. That's why adults behave like children in the park.
When getting on the monorail I asked a cm if we could sit in the front so he walked us there and put my party of four in it. We were waiting and talking and laughing and then a cm brings over a couple, well the woman went insane she literally started 'whining' and shouting and going on about how she wanted the front and how she had asked first...um lady it seats6 or 7, there is room for all of us, and clearly she didn't ask first because we were already in there :rotfl2:
Anyways the cm's ignored her and walked away, lol so she got in and pouted the whole trip :rotfl2: It must have been past her nap time. The rest of us had a blast though.

we3disneygo
08-16-2007, 06:22 AM
:confused3 We encountered lot's rude people in June, a group of 11 kids and a teacher cut in front to ride with their group......we were 3 people.......and what appeared to be a local family of about 9.....only 2 in line.......then they wanted to start a fight......we told the CM but, it we couldn't do anything while waiting in line as their was no CM mointering the lines........it didn't make for a magical first and only visit.:headache:

disneyfanatic4
08-16-2007, 04:30 PM
My goodness, I did not mean to cause such an uproar...... simply sharing a story...... I never stated that what happend was the worst thing in the world. I simply said that I was shocked that this happend. I guess I have a different mothering stlye than some people. No, I would not mind if my child's teacher or coach had to touch or grab my child's shoulders. Yes, it is true that I did not go into explicit detail like the look on the man's face and the fact that he didn't say one word to me, my husband or my child. In fact, he wouldn't even look at me. He just grabbed my son strongly by the shoulders, pulled him back and rolled his eyes at the CM. Remember, my child is 9 not 17 and I was standing right behind him and was in the process of telling him that it was not his turn. Sorry I felt the urge to share my story along with everyone else. I will go back to just reading these threads and not participating.

Sorry that I seem to going off about this but I honestly didn't even expect anyone to comment on my story just simply read it.

Hound 109
08-16-2007, 04:42 PM
Please participate, disneyfanatic. We (kiwi & i) read into it more than was there. I'm sensitive because of my being a coach.

Had a man (or woman) grabbed my 8 y/o, avoided my eye contact with me & rolled his eyes to a CM, I would have been upset too.

The Dis forums have the best people in the world, but with all forums sometimes it's hard to express all thoughts & emotions. I'm sorry if i upset or offended, but please keep posting.

hound :flower3:

disneyfanatic4
08-16-2007, 05:55 PM
Thank you for your apology. I was a little wound up when I responded and now feel awful and embarassed for making such a fuss. I was having a bad day at work and thought I would pop onto the boards for some cheering up. I actually forgot that I had posted to this until I saw that little check to remind me. I am not a confrontational person at all but, for some reason, felt the need to defend myself. I, too, apologize for being too sensitive. :goodvibes

kiwitravel
08-16-2007, 06:17 PM
Please participate, disneyfanatic. We (kiwi & i) read into it more than was there. I'm sensitive because of my being a coach.

Had a man (or woman) grabbed my 8 y/o, avoided my eye contact with me & rolled his eyes to a CM, I would have been upset too.

The Dis forums have the best people in the world, but with all forums sometimes it's hard to express all thoughts & emotions. I'm sorry if i upset or offended, but please keep posting.

hound :flower3:

Same for me here, I too did not want to offend. Sounds like there was more to it than orginally posted and concur it was totally inappropriate. Don't stop posting we need as many opinions as possible.

PirateFish989
08-22-2007, 06:03 PM
My family had an "incident" (I guess you could call it that) when we went last August. We were on Indiana Jones, the four of us in the back row, and there was a group of 7 in the first two rows - the father, mother, and one child in the front, and 2 teenagers and 1 girl (5ish years old) in the middle. I guess it ws the little girl's first time on the ride and the father insisted on taking flash photographs of her during the entire ride! He was literally turned around the entire ride taking pictures and everytime the flash would blind us! My mom said something after about the 2nd or 3rd time but apparently this didnt' phase him. When we got off the ride we told the CM at the exit and she said that there are cameras throughout the ride but she guessed the CM watching those cameras wasn't paying enough attention. She apologized for this man's very rude behavior and very kindly told us how we could ride again without waiting. We did and our second ride was thoroughly enjoyable!

Dancind
08-23-2007, 01:55 PM
We've been to WDW many, many times, and I have to say, the guests at DL take the prize for rudeness. We were there about a year ago, my daughter's dance team was performing. Something outlandish happened to us every day, but this one actually still bothers me.

The kids were "backstage" and my SIL and I were just killing some time. We stopped to watch the Jammitors group in the open space in front of the main store in Tomorrowland. A couple came walking out of the store, in front was a big guy wearing pin lanyards, being followed by a female companion. I am 5'3", in my 50s, and not that wide, but this guy looked directly at me and yelled "coming through". He then body checked me to get through the semi-circle of people standing there. And it really HURT! Then the female did the same thing! I was so stunned, I just stood there for a minute, and then started to go after them. My SIL stopped me, I guess she figured the guy wouldn't hesitate to beat me up. I still can't figure that one out, why did he pick me? And furthermore, why didn't he go around? There was plenty of room!

chepar
08-23-2007, 03:44 PM
I think we just live in a generally ruder society these days and being at DL or WDW exacerbates this type of behavior in certain people. It's the "me first" attitude.

It does seem that everytime I go to DL (haven't been to WDW in a while, but am going next June :banana: ) I encounter more and more rude people. The instances usually only made me shake my head and think to myself "D@*#, you're rude" but as people become more obnoxious and outrageous it's like my blood pressure needs to be checked on a daily basis.

I'm still stewing about a couple of incidents that happened a couple of years ago at DL - I think I need therapy for it. :rotfl2:

Master Mason
08-23-2007, 05:03 PM
My family had an "incident" (I guess you could call it that) when we went last August. We were on Indiana Jones, the four of us in the back row, and there was a group of 7 in the first two rows - the father, mother, and one child in the front, and 2 teenagers and 1 girl (5ish years old) in the middle. I guess it ws the little girl's first time on the ride and the father insisted on taking flash photographs of her during the entire ride! He was literally turned around the entire ride taking pictures and everytime the flash would blind us! My mom said something after about the 2nd or 3rd time but apparently this didnt' phase him. When we got off the ride we told the CM at the exit and she said that there are cameras throughout the ride but she guessed the CM watching those cameras wasn't paying enough attention. She apologized for this man's very rude behavior and very kindly told us how we could ride again without waiting. We did and our second ride was thoroughly enjoyable!

I wish DL would start ejecting a few of the people that behave like this, If you get caught taking flash pictures when your not supposed to, or putting your hand out side the ride when your not supposed to. If security was there to meet a few of them and escort them from the park, it would make the rest of them stop.

It would no longer be don't, it would be don't or you will be removed from the park. Word would spread quickly, and people would stop just as quickly.

The reason so many folks do stuff their not supposed to do, is they are never called on it, and there are never consiquenses to their actions.

As to the guy that touched the one ladies kids, I have found that a simple, you touch my kid again and I'll break your hand tends to stop them. Never in my life have I had to speak to someone a second time about it.

XTinabell
08-23-2007, 05:31 PM
I wish DL would start ejecting a few of the people that behave like this, If you get caught taking flash pictures when your not supposed to, or putting your hand out side the ride when your not supposed to. If security was there to meet a few of them and escort them from the park, it would make the rest of them stop.

It would no longer be don't, it would be don't or you will be removed from the park. Word would spread quickly, and people would stop just as quickly.

The reason so many folks do stuff their not supposed to do, is they are never called on it, and there are never consiquenses to their actions.

As to the guy that touched the one ladies kids, I have found that a simple, you touch my kid again and I'll break your hand tends to stop them. Never in my life have I had to speak to someone a second time about it.

I wonder if they don't do this because people would claim ignorance that they didn't know. Because it happened to me where I really truley didn't know.

The first time I saw fantasmic I was so excited, we had front row seats and I was visiting with everyone, bla bla bla. Anyways, part way into the performance these two guys next to me asked if I knew if they were allowed to take pictures, I said "I don't see why not" so they did. I then told them :eek: to turn on their flash for a better picture :scared1: Then I told the guy he could stand to get better pictures :scared1: Anyways, he only took about three and that was that.

I saw the show again the next night, considering I wasn't as excited I actually listened to the voice over guy clearly say "NO FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY, AND IF YOU'RE IN TEH FRONT SECTION NO STANDING!" I was soo horrified that I told those guys to do EVERYTHING they weren't allowed to do :rotfl2: Now if the three of us had been kicked out of the park I probably would have burst into tears.

So it would be difficult to associate the difference between people who honestly didn't know and those who claim to not know. HOWEVER - I think those that get caught after being told by a cm and they continue to do it should be removed from the park.

A guy on BTMRR was turned around taking pictures of his daughter and they kept coming over the speakers saying "MAN IN RED SHIRT IN CAR TWO TURN AROUND" he didn't listen through the whole ride. He got off the ride and nothing. And they KNEW he wasn't listening, and they told him more than once and STILL did nothing when he got off the ride.

Master Mason
08-23-2007, 05:37 PM
I wonder if they don't do this because people would claim ignorance that they didn't know. Because it happened to me where I really truley didn't know.

Ignorance is not a defense, do you think if you were driving 50 down the street in a 25 zone that you wouldn't have to pay the fine, because you didn't know it was a 25 zone??

But my point was more to the example you gave of the guy on BTMRR. I was there last week, and this lady was taking pics during the section of the Railroad between Tomorrow land and Mainstreet, they told her no less than 10 times no flash photography, and she just kept snaping away. If they had pulled her aside and escorted her out of the park, I think they would have gotten a standing ovation form the other 200 or so folks that were sitting on the train.

XTinabell
08-23-2007, 05:53 PM
Ignorance is not a defense, do you think if you were driving 50 down the street in a 25 zone that you wouldn't have to pay the fine, because you didn't know it was a 25 zone??

But my point was more to the example you gave of the guy on BTMRR. I was there last week, and this lady was taking pics during the section of the Railroad between Tomorrow land and Mainstreet, they told her no less than 10 times no flash photography, and she just kept snaping away. If they had pulled her aside and escorted her out of the park, I think they would have gotten a standing ovation form the other 200 or so folks that were sitting on the train.

Oh I completely agree with you, I was just trying to guess why they don't do that because it does happen (and claiming ignorance on the road is different, you have a license that says you know the rules, DL doesn't make you sign a contract stating you know the rules). But you know that's the thing, if they see it happen and the CM's are the one's telling them to stop and they DON'T stop, come on. They should be removed from the park.

tynkrbell1977
08-23-2007, 06:13 PM
Sadly I hear this stuff all the time.:rolleyes2 It is so not cool and I dont know who these adults think they are. I dont have kids and I love to have fun in Disneyland. But there is no way I woudl EVER remove a kid from a ride car that they got in 1st! And as for the monorail issue, that woman has issues. It does not matter what car you sit in. Her poor family will now think of that everytime they get on the monorail! :sad1: NOt cool at all. :mad:

Master Mason
08-23-2007, 06:19 PM
And as for the monorail issue, that woman has issues. It does not matter what car you sit in. Her poor family will now think of that everytime they get on the monorail! :sad1: NOt cool at all. :mad:

Actually the sad part, is her kids will grow up and think that that is how one is supposed to behave, so 20 years from now, you'll see them standing on the monorail platform pitching a fit.

I often think that it is strange that we require someone to be prove profienceny before they can drive a car, but just about anyone can have a kid, regardless of if they know what they are doing or not.

Cannot_Wait_4Disney
08-23-2007, 07:17 PM
We've been to WDW many, many times, and I have to say, the guests at DL take the prize for rudeness. We were there about a year ago, my daughter's dance team was performing. Something outlandish happened to us every day, but this one actually still bothers me.

Um. Can we have MORE hasty generalizations please.


Let's see. Scanning recent headlines.
Tempest on the teacups. Lady chokes another from behind.
Kids spit on guests, try to beat up security and cop.
Both of these happened at WDW.

And of the things I've seen, nothing I've seen in my many years at DLR approaches the guy I saw berating his wife and kid over someone else spilling a little mustard on him by accident. And she was screaming right back at him. Kid balling all over the place because the grownups in her life were acting terribly.

But you don't see me posting things like "The guests at WDW take the prize for domestic abuse," here let alone on a WDW forum.

There are bad people everywhere. WDW, Disneyland, Universal. You name a place where there are a lot of people, and there are going to be some bad ones.

arliepooh68
08-23-2007, 09:40 PM
perhaps if they had more complaints with solutions they might start doing it again. . . I've seen them take people away though, mind you it was over an almost fist fight, but I have seen them take people away. . .

I'm THAT person that when I see something fishy I am not afraid to find a security person and say something. about 8 years ago we were attempting to have a liesurely walk at the zoo and this man kept harassing this other man, i'm talking hair standing up on your neck scary harassing, which was one thing, but then he started using all sorts of colorful words. . . and this was on a weekday when groups of kids were there for schools. . . I stopped a security person, explained what we had witnessed and told them I felt the other guy was at risk of his own safety from this idiot. . .

but normally what I see at DL are the idiots that think it is freakin hilarious to "accidentally" bump into you and not apologize. . . we had a group that did this a couple of times. I lowered myself and "accidentally" stretched my foot from a muscle cramp all of a sudden. put a stop to it. . I know BAD. .