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SandraVB79
08-06-2007, 09:00 AM
Today I read in the newspaper that Maddy (the British girl missing in Portugal) is apparantly not kidnapped; they (police) think she has been murdered or has died in an accident.

Apparently, UV lamps have showed Blood on a wall, and a "sniff" dog (those dogs that go sniffing around to catch a trace of someone/ something, sorry, don't know how you call them in English) have caught a trace of a dead person. A person needs to be dead for two hours before a dog can pick up the smell of it, which would mean that the girl would have been in the room dead for two hours. And the parents went back every 30 minutes to check on the kids?

I haven't followed this case closely the last weeks, but this caught my attention again, and once again I think the case is fishy.

The Mystery Machine
08-06-2007, 09:02 AM
Interesting......poor kid.:guilty:

Heidict
08-06-2007, 09:05 AM
Cadaver dogs is the word you are looking for.

I hadn't heard of this. So, are they thinking then that the parents are invovled in this in some way? Or are they still looking at a stranger?

mushumadness
08-06-2007, 09:06 AM
Ive just read the bbc news over here, and they are not reporting anything about her being dead right now, they are just saying they didnt find herwhen they dug up murats garden

Daxx
08-06-2007, 09:12 AM
Today I read in the newspaper that Maddy (the British girl missing in Portugal) is apparantly not kidnapped; they (police) think she has been murdered or has died in an accident.

Apparently, UV lamps have showed Blood on a wall, and a "sniff" dog (those dogs that go sniffing around to catch a trace of someone/ something, sorry, don't know how you call them in English) have caught a trace of a dead person. A person needs to be dead for two hours before a dog can pick up the smell of it, which would mean that the girl would have been in the room dead for two hours. And the parents went back every 30 minutes to check on the kids?

I haven't followed this case closely the last weeks, but this caught my attention again, and once again I think the case is fishy.

If the UV lamps showed blood on a wall in the hotel room that Maddy and her parents had, it doesn't mean it's Maddy's blood. That blood could belong to anyone ... esp. if it wasn't fresh. W/o DNA testing, there's no way of knowing if this was Maddy's blood, the person who took Maddy or someone else who used the room prior to Maddy and her family being there.

It's v. well that the girl could have accidentally died and the parents wanted to cover it up, so they created the kidnapping story but dumped the kid in the ocean, hid her body somewhere ... who knows!?

java
08-06-2007, 09:14 AM
This weekend there was a lot of buzz about a sighting in Belgium*I think it was Belgium. A woman says she saw her at a restaurant -with a couple. They are doing DNA testing on a milkshake straw!! So they will know if it was her in a few days.

carolfoy
08-06-2007, 09:28 AM
as Anna states, they are reporting that the suspects house has been investigated thoroughly (why it took so long I don't understand :confused3 ) but that there has been no reports of any blood or real evidence found.

keishashadow
08-06-2007, 09:31 AM
please, don't let it be the parents:sad2:

Hannathy
08-06-2007, 09:55 AM
please, don't let it be the parents:sad2:

Statistically it usually is..... or someone else they know.

BuzznBelle'smom
08-06-2007, 10:04 AM
This whole story has been fishy from the get-go. The good news is, today's forensics techniques make it tougher to get away with a crime. I sure hope that little girl is alive, but I wouldn't bet on it.

SandraVB79
08-06-2007, 10:27 AM
I know that finding blood doesn't mean it has to be Maddy's. However... it's a coincidence. How many times do you have an injury that there is blood on WALLS? I don't think anyone at our house has been in such a situation. And then this occurring in the same room as where a child disappears? Fishy..
The same with the smell of a dead person: There are people that die while on vacation, but it doesn't happen on a regular basis. And this happens in the same room as where she disappeared? And the smell can still be smelled by the dogs??
I assume if this happened X years ago, the smell disappears with time... Not too sure about that, but that is what my common sense tells me.

Fishy fishy fishy...

This weekend there was a lot of buzz about a sighting in Belgium*I think it was Belgium. A woman says she saw her at a restaurant -with a couple. They are doing DNA testing on a milkshake straw!! So they will know if it was her in a few days.

Indeed, in Tongeren.
I don't understand that they didn't call the police when they were still in the restaurant. call the police, keep them in the restaurant until police arrives, clear it up immediately. But I guess that's too easy.

please, don't let it be the parents:sad2:

Most times, it is someone from the near "entourage".

I am getting more and more curious how this will turn out. It kind of reminds me of the Jonbenett (sp??) case


ETA: http://www.standaard.be/Artikel/Detail.aspx?artikelid=DMF06082007_029 This is the article. I know you won't understand what it says, however, I wanted to post my "source"

4nana
08-06-2007, 10:51 AM
I hope and pray they find little Maddy safe and the parents are not involved. :(

emily1982
08-06-2007, 10:54 AM
I hope she is found safe, Don't know where you got your news story from because you haven't quoted but there isn't any story like that overhere. www.sky.com/news is a good website for updates or the bbc.

PrincessKitty1
08-06-2007, 11:10 AM
Like a lot of people, I've always thought the story was way, way dubious. I hope she is alive and well but I've always thought the parents were covering something up.

SandraVB79
08-06-2007, 11:16 AM
I hope she is found safe, Don't know where you got your news story from because you haven't quoted but there isn't any story like that overhere. www.sky.com/news is a good website for updates or the bbc.

As you can see, I have included the link now in a previous post; sorry, can't help it's in Dutch. In the article, two names of Portuguese papers are also mentioned, they have also reported on this.

http://jn.sapo.pt/2007/08/06/primeiro_plano/sangue_quarto_mc_cann.html

http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=252822&idCanal=9

Stacerita
08-06-2007, 11:21 AM
Statistically it usually is..... or someone else they know.

Very true. Most kids are hurt by their parents or another person close to them. Very sad if thats the case here.

k_reile
08-06-2007, 11:28 AM
The thing that I thought was wierd was that the parents left the two children who were like under 4? alone in a room while they went out to dinner? Ever think of hiring a babysitter...thats child endangerment right there just leaving them alone...obviously they cannot defend themselves at that age. They left the perfect opportunity for someone to take her...

Kath2003
08-06-2007, 11:33 AM
The thing that I thought was wierd was that the parents left the two children who were like under 4? alone in a room while they went out to dinner? Ever think of hiring a babysitter...thats child endangerment right there just leaving them alone...obviously they cannot defend themselves at that age. They left the perfect opportunity for someone to take her...

This has been gone over 100,000 times. The parents have to live with what they did and they received the worst punishment of them all.

That little girl is long gone, wherever she is and whatever happened to her.

SueM in MN
08-06-2007, 11:38 AM
As you can see, I have included the link now in a previous post; sorry, can't help it's in Dutch. In the article, two names of Portuguese papers are also mentioned, they have also reported on this.

http://jn.sapo.pt/2007/08/06/primeiro_plano/sangue_quarto_mc_cann.html

http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=252822&idCanal=9
This site ( babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) ) can be used to translate webpages or text to different languages. I used it to read the Portuguese papers. You can get the general idea of the article, but some of the language is sort of funny (like what in English is "cadaver dogs" was translated as "dogs especially trained to detect biological vestiges of people deceased"). You can get the general meaning of the articles though.

Feralpeg
08-06-2007, 11:57 AM
Maybe we should wait until the police announce they have conclusive evidence before we start accusing the parents.

DawnCt1
08-06-2007, 12:32 PM
How accurate and what the suspicions are may depend upon how much Portugal feels under fire. I can remember a lot of erroneous leaks, bad leads and false imformation from Aruba, when they felt under fire due to the Natale Holloway case.

Daxx
08-06-2007, 12:59 PM
As for the blood -- my guess is they found a bit of blood on a wall. Probably a small spot of blood. Enough that you might normally miss it if you weren't looking for or at it. My guess is that there's blood spots on our hardwood floors, on a carpet fiber, on a bathroom wall, in the grout of the floor tile that we can't detect. You cut yourself, you hobble to the bathroom and don't notice that tiny bit of blood that fell on the carpet, hardwood, hit the floor or got onto the wall b/c it was too small to really notice. Plus, you prob. weren't looking for it in your efforts to bandage yourself up. Put a special lamp and it's going to turn up.

I'm off to read the article to see if it says how much blood was found. My guess ... a tiny pinprick of a spot.

marshallandcartersmo
08-06-2007, 01:20 PM
Did they find the blood on the wall recently? It seems to me that would be something that the police would look for immediatly after a child was kidnapped, rather than wait several months to go looking for it. :confused3

SandraVB79
08-06-2007, 02:05 PM
In the meanwhile, they changed the article in the online version of De Standaard, the newspaper I read. I must admit I haven't translated the Portuguese ones.

The changed article says now that Murrat is still prime suspect nr 1. He has a blond daughter, 4yo, who lives in the UK while he lives in Portugal, and he misses her terribly.

Time will tell what happened. Or not.