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sncbird
02-02-2001, 02:14 PM
Michael623
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I don't want to seem insensitive but....
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What is the deal with people in wheelchairs getting to cut the line? Half the time when they get up to the ride they hop out of their chairs like Mary Lou Retton. Am I the only one that has a problem with this?

I think he needs some sensitivity training. Maybe we should enlighten him on what it's like to be wheelchair users.

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SueM in MN
02-02-2001, 03:06 PM
I always read the ones that say "I don't mean to be insensitive" because they usually are. Very nice reply on your part and when I cam back here to post about it, I found you beat me. HHere's a link to the post that doesn't mean to be insensitive. (http://wdwinfo.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=40009993&f=30009094&m=481090828)

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sncbird
02-02-2001, 03:40 PM
Thank you Sue for your kind words. Also, I'm glad you put a link to the posting so others can express their feelings as well.

Your response as usual was done with taste and class!!!

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SueM in MN
02-02-2001, 03:48 PM
and a lot of editing. Thank you for your compliment. M

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Michigan
02-02-2001, 04:30 PM
Don't you wish all you had to worry about at WDW was if someone got on a ride before you? No seizures, overheating, or worry that something eaten will cause a bowel accident. WOW what a day that must be!

SueOKW
02-02-2001, 07:08 PM
you guys said it all - i hope the author of that post gets back to read it.

I loved your offers of having him join you for a day. SueM - adding the links was genius. But Michigan - your post made me cry. God Bless us every one. Sometimes we forget just how damn tough it all really is.

Thank God we have WDW - and when we aren't around the clunkers, we can actually all be really happy for a change.

Anyway - I guess I may be overly tired, and better sign off. Good answers everyone!

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Wheelsie
02-02-2001, 09:50 PM
*with a heavy sad/glad/relieved/elated heart cries smiling and frowning all at once* I just read that thread ya'll... what can I say? *sob*

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Puffy2
02-03-2001, 05:43 AM
Of course this is the sort of thing that I was worried about before I rented the ECV for my friend. We leave (I hope) Thursday!! & I hope it's the best trip ever!!! Thanks for all of your help and encouragement. :)

SueM in MN
02-03-2001, 05:47 AM
I am happy and very proud to be associated with such a group of thoughtful and eloquent people. The posts on this the thread in question have been thought provoking and showed people without disabilities a side of the world they don't understand.
Everyone has kept their cool and no one has even gotten close to the line (which is not easy some times). Thank you all.ü

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sncbird
02-03-2001, 08:14 AM
I am also proud to be associated with such an elete group of people. I am overwhelmed by all the responses to that posting.

Michigan - your post touched the hearts of so many people including mine. I think it gave
non-handi people a complete perpective of what it's all about!!

My disease is slowly taking away the muscle strength in my legs. I'm constantly adapting both physically and mentally. This past year I've finally agreeded to use a manual wheelchair when I need it. That in itself was a 2 year process. Now that I have done it, it has made life alot easier!!! I don't know what took me so long.

I'm so grateful I have found a place where I can come to where people understand what I deal with. At first I thought this board would just help me figure out how to get around Disney. But, what I have found out is it's helping me get through everyday life!!!

Thank You everyone for enriching my life as well as the lives of others, reminding me to be thankful for what I have and not to let rude insensitive people get me down.

I hope I can give back to this forum as much as I have gotten out of it.

Christine (sncbird)

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SueOKW
02-03-2001, 09:07 AM
Trust me when I tell you, Christine, you have found a wonderful group of people here. When one is down, the others are up and vice versa.

If you ever need anything, all you have to do is ask!
Sue

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bfeller
02-03-2001, 11:35 AM
Just a thought about this thread.

Not all disabilities/challenges can be seen with 'insensitives eyes', only those possessing sensitive hearts can.

Wheelsie
02-03-2001, 07:59 PM
Good point Bfeller!! good point!! :)

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LvsTnk
02-04-2001, 06:24 AM
he might feel bad or at least a little remorse, but I guess not. You try to think the best about people and that they just need to be more aware, he has posted again and not in a nice way. I think that everyone here opened the eyes of some people anyway.

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bfeller
02-04-2001, 07:19 AM
Let's kill him with kindness! He is in need of some. There must be a reason someone would be so insensitive(his words). He just doesn't get it.

I am no longer in the position to be in a wheelchair/EVC but keep coming back here because you all are so nice and I wanted to stay in touch. Please know that all walking people do not feel that way and you have touched the hearts of those of us with your kindness and understanding. It was such a relief when planning my trip last August that there was a board like this for a novice(person who hasn't been in wheelchair before). I could find out exactly what I could and couldn't do while at WDW in a wheelchair. I am very strong willed and wouldn't let a thing like a EVC stand in my way of having a good time. It just meant that I had to go about it in a different way. Bless everyone for their courage and showing me how to be independent. Hopefully, for the poster(Michael) he will never have to face this situation but if he ever does, I am sure he will think about his insensitive remarks. Remember what goes around comes around.

sncbird
02-04-2001, 07:39 AM
I can't believe Micheal responded the way he did!!!!

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Michael623
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From: Randolph, ma
Registered: 01-20-01
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Boy did I open a can of worms, and I didn't even mention all the bruises on my ankles from people in wheelchairs. Bring it on!!
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I was hoping he would get something positive out of this. I guess there's no hope for some people.

All I can say is what comes around goes around!!!


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SueM in MN
02-04-2001, 08:09 AM
Don't worry bfeller, we know that most people without a disability are nice (especially you). We just hope to run into the nice ones.

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SueM in MN
02-04-2001, 09:39 AM
Just a reminder. I know that this thread on the Theme Parks Board is hitting a lot of hot buttons. I appreciate everyone'ss responses to it. Let's try to keep it cool and keep away from anything that could be looked on as a personal attack. As long as it stays cool and informational (is that a word?), the Theme Parks Mods are willing to keep it open. We want people to hear what we have to say and not be getting sidetracked into anything else.
Write, edit, re-write, re-edit, post. That's what I've been doing.
Thanks

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isles_nyi
02-04-2001, 11:34 AM
Hi folks. I'm not handicapped nor is anyone in my family. But I have had experiences in WDW about 10 years ago with a wheelchair. My wife at the time had a foot operation and had to use one. She didn't want to, but after 2 days with crutches she gave in to the pain and blisters and we rented one.

It was odd for us. Kids stared at her and adults avoided eye contact. At Seaworld, the woman at the rental counter actually had the nerve to ask me why I needed it. I was really offended.

We got on some stuff without waiting, but we would have much rather been able to walk. I don't need to tell you all that you miss little things like holding hands and talking quietly together without effort. It was a learning experience and maybe it's hard to really appreciate some of those things without experiencing them for yourself. I'm a litle embarrassed to admit that maybe I wasn't as sensitive to those things as I thought I was. It was harder then both of us imagined.

I think the originator of the thread was a little insensitive by his original post, and a lot insensitive with his follow up. You see people like that everywhere you go on the internet no matter what the topic. Almost every reply I've read has been mature and thought provoking. A credit to the visitors of these forums. ;)

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SueM in MN
02-04-2001, 01:02 PM
thank you, islesnyi for your nice comments. The majority of people are nice, but it's the other few that make things difficult.¨

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MosMom
02-04-2001, 07:52 PM
I read that entire thread & made a comment myself after Michael's "Bring it on" post. I agree that it's important for the masses to read the stories & know what it is like. My suggestion is to have a post on there about these issues. Maybe have it moderator controlled & bump it often (like the "tips on keeping the board on topic" post gets bumped). It might help just a bit!

That guy really truly shocked me & I will probably never respond to another post of his again. He goes on the mental ignore list =). I thought for sure his eyes might be opened but to be quite honest, I don't think he *really* read your posts. I think he just skimmed through what suited his needs & left another nasty post all the while not meaning to be insensitive about it. Stuff like that really makes me wonder about the human race sometimes..I guess that is why I like to hang out with a mouse so much. :D

MoseysMom

JorJor
02-05-2001, 06:50 AM
Something tells me that Michael623 is getting quite a kick out of all of us getting upset. Let's not let what he's said get us in a tizzy. I'm not in a wheelchair, nor are my kids, but I can completely sympathize with people staring and whispering about you or your children. My son is 3 and has had 5 surgeries. He could not eat by mouth until he was 13 mo. old. We fed him through a tube that went directly into his stomach. Can you imagine the looks we got while out in public? He can now eat by mouth, but often "gags" on his food and has to cough it up. Well, we get even worse looks now. But you know what? For as many rude and ignorant people...there are so many more wonderful ones with kind hearts. Many people have said "God bless you and your son", rather than just staring. So to all of you that are dealing with your disabilities...God bless you! And Especially to those of you with children with disabilities....I believe that God chose you to be the caregiver for their little bodies and souls!!

SueM in MN
02-05-2001, 08:40 AM
Thanks to everyone who did comment on that thread and also to those who read it.
I think Michael623 intended to upset people. If he didn't, he wouldn't have given the post a title like that. But, something good came out of a posting that titled itself "insensitive". People who would not have even opened the thread if they knew it involved disabilities were "suckered" into reading it. There were 3817 views of that thread. Almost 10 times as many people read that thread in the 2 days it was going as read a similar post that has been on the Debate Board for over a month. Some of the people might have felt like Michael623, but NOT ONE of those people posted and that is a first for the subject. I'm not sure Michael623 even skimmed any of the posts, but a lot of other people did and if it helped them understand a little better, then we have a good ending to a bad beginning.
I also want to thank everyone for keeping their cool. The moderators mostly stayed out of the post because people were doing a good job of sharing information (some of it painful - I know I cried a lot reading and writing) and not doing any personal attacks. Trust me, it was being watch very closely by multiple moderators. Usually, when a thread starts out on such a confrontational state, by the middle of the first page, there has to be a "please be nice" post by a moderator. We got to the bottom of page 5; pretty good for a thread that could have gotten very hot very fast.
Be proud. You did good.v

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SandraC
02-05-2001, 10:11 AM
Hello everyone! I was so overwhelmed by the post the the THEME board that I will not visit there anymore. We are going to WDW in April with 7 years old daughter and 1 year old son. Daughter, Emily, was granted a wish from MAKE A WISH FOUNDATION in 1998, she was 4.5 years old. We stayed at Kids Village thanks to GIVE KIDS THE WORLD and it was remarkable! Emily got a special pass that allowed her exit access, it was a life-saver! Emily can't go on much but it was great not to have to wait to get on rides since she can't take the heat. Our WDW trip would have been days and days of naps if it wasn't for the pass. THANKS MAKE A WISH & GIVE KIDS THE WORLD. We are going back in April and hope Emily will get the pass again. We will bring the old one as proof and all her medical letters. Again, she can't go on everything, but it makes a giant difference! I want to thank Sue for always being sensitive and kind to everyone here. Sue knew how upset I was with that post and she e-mailed me with an invitation to these boards. Thanks you Sue. 74 more days to WDW. Everynight I watch my daughter sleep so peacefully and look forward to seeing her face when she sees the castle! THANKS ALL! GOD BLESS YOU SUE!

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Michael623
02-05-2001, 10:25 AM
Please take a moment to read my apology on the strategies board.

Snow_White
02-05-2001, 12:08 PM
I just wanted to sincerely thank all of you who posted your experiences in the original post (which is now closed) on Theme Parks board. I'm not handicapped, nor is anyone that is close to me, so thank you all for giving your unique perspectives. I'm sure it was hard for some of you say what you had to say because it was so personal and close to your heart, but it definitely made an impact. Thank you for making me more aware and god bless all of you...you have changed my perspective forever (in a good way!).

Sincerely,
Jenn

SueM in MN
02-05-2001, 01:13 PM
null (http://null)CLICK HERE for a link to Michael623's apology post. (http://wdwinfo.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?q=Y&a=tpc&s=40009993&f=30009094&m=244090948)o

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bfeller
02-05-2001, 04:37 PM
SandraC, Please go back and visit the other board. What happened there is not the norm. Stay there and get all the tips and information that you need for your next trip. There are a lot of wonderful people out there and please don't let 1 person get the best of you.