Pentax 100D ONE MORE TIME [Archive] - The DIS Discussion Forums

Dcanoli

07-08-2007, 09:22 PM

Okay, here we go...one final time....

I read all the threads from a month or two ago about the Pentax 100D, and then, I read the reviews you guys posted, THEN I sold my two film SLRs on Ebay a few weeks ago.....

..and now, the time has come....AND I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS!

For $700 (and a $150 rebate on top of that--bringing me down to $550), I can get the 100D kit (18-55mm) plus a 50-200mm from BD.

Any last minutes pros or cons? Any new owners of this little camera?

During my last trip to THE WORLD, I was on the monorail platform at the GF w/my 10YO son, and there was a man there with a Pentax SLR. I immediately struck up a conversation w/him, and he showed me his firework pics (among others) on the screen. (They all looked great, BUT don't pictures normally look "great" on the screen only to look not-so-great when you get them on your PC?)

This man said he LOVED the Pentax (I think he had the 10D--is that right?), but wish he had waited--one month later, they came out with the 100D!

Any opinions--last minute views would be appreciated! I don't want to make a mistake spending this much money!

Debbie

Dcanoli

07-08-2007, 09:33 PM

Actually....after Googling...it looks as if there has been a price drop in this camera...Now, I can get both for $500.

Anybody know why? Is a new model on the horizon?

ukcatfan

07-08-2007, 10:20 PM

The K10D is actually the better model, but it is still around $800-900. I have the K100D and I have not been happier. With the package rebate going on, it is the best deal in a DSLR around. It is cheaper b/c Pentax is still trying to make a name in the DSLR field. Basiacally, you cannot go wrong with ANY DSLR, and the Pentax K100D is simply a great deal right now. They just announced the K100D Super last week, but it really does not make much of an upgrade and I would only go for it if I was planning on getting the DA* lenses ($$$$ BTW). If it was a year ago, he had to have the K100D or possibly even an older model. I am not even sure the K100D was available a year ago, so it might have been the *ist DL or an even older model.

I entered the selection process wanting the Rebel XT until I actually handled one. Then I wanted the D50 b/c it felt good in my hands and had nice features. Then I found out about the Pentax models and they have a very similar feel to the Nikons. I was going to go with the *ist DL, but the DW gave me the go ahead to get the upgraded K100D. It is really not much different than the older models, but does add IS in the body and better JPG performance (not important to me b/c I shoot RAW).

BTW... Pentax is known to have some of the best quality glass by many people. The Pentax SMC coating is well known as being of very high quality. They are behind C&N at this point mainly b/c they hesitated getting into the digital field where C&N jumped in. It was a bad business decision, but has no effect on the Pentax quality. Their range of zooms is still a little limited, but they are known to have a very extensive prime selection and some are at better prices compared to other brands for equiv. models. Also, the third party lens makers are typically making the same models available to Pentax as they do the other camera makers.

You cannot go wrong with the Pentax models just as you cannot go wrong with any DSLR. If you plan on becomming a pro in the next year or two, then C&N might be a better choice(as some Cannonites are sure to point out), but not many entry level buyers are looking towards that anyway.

Kevin

Dcanoli

07-08-2007, 10:35 PM

I was just heading downstairs and came to check my mail one more time....

Glad to hear the kudos for Pentax...I've run across a few other reviews (DP & CNet), and both were SINGING the praises of this little SLR.

Now, the interesting part is that I had it bookmarked at BD for $479. They've since dropped it to $469, but Best Priced Cameras has it at $399, and Shop Digital has the lens for $210. That's a total of $610 (w/o the $100 rebate).

I wish I could find a seller offering good prices and both pieces, then the rebate jumps to $150!

So, basically $500 for an SLR body and two lenses is a fair shake I believe! I am not planning on going pro, and in fact, we take so many trips to Disney that I want a camera that is going to give me good fireworks and low-light pictures...I am so tired of pictures looking good on my Kodak's screen only to have them look bad once I get them back on the PC, plus-as you know-PNS' are terrible at fireworks and low-light situations (despite what the scene modes say)!

My primary purpose for this camera is Disney, and then, all of life after that! LOL.....

Thanks for all the info...I did notice that Pentax was coming out with the Super version, but I couldn't remember what they said the difference was....

UK....I didn't realize you had a Pentax. Most of the people on here have Nikons (Yek. & GD)....

ukcatfan

07-08-2007, 10:52 PM

ukcatfan

07-08-2007, 10:55 PM

UK....I didn't realize you had a Pentax. Most of the people on here have Nikons (Yek. & GD)....

There are a few of us around, but Groucho and I are the typical regulars to this board. I pretty much gave up posting on the theme parks and resorts boards due to the constant negativity, so I am usually on here.

Kevin

Dcanoli

07-09-2007, 06:16 AM

Glad you caught me before I made any purchases! I was hoping by mentioning a few names, you (or anyone else) would let me know if they weren't very good.

I did look around, and they did have a few "certified" things on their website saying they were safe, etc. I'll check out the link you sent too.

If I buy from BD, I can get the $150 rebate (versus the $100 from buying the two pieces seperately).

I wish I could buy the Pentax kit AND the 50mm and get the $150, but they aren't offering that combo deal. Several people have recommeneded the 50mm over the 50-200mm.

It may even have been Groucho that said I would rarely use the 50-200mm...

What is your opinion on the two lenses? I know they are for two different scenarios, but do you have the tele lens and how often do you use it at the Parks versus the stand-alone/prime 50mm?

Dcanoli

07-09-2007, 06:19 AM

Just read the reviews! S-C-A-R-Y!

Thanks for saving me! Maybe I'll just pay the extra $50 and be done w/it from BD!

WebmasterCricket

07-09-2007, 07:38 AM

I'll have the 100d soon enough. Waiting on a rebate from another product to come in before I order this one though.

I'm debating the rebate 2 lens package as my second lens (kit lens and the 50-200mm as you have stated) or a wide prime off of eBay along with the kit lens. I'm sure I'll use all three eventually but with a WDW trip coming up I might use the faster wa more. I'm very torn between the discount and the drooling over the angle/speed combo of the short prime. The longer zoom is useful but I don't think I want to drag it around on this trip. I also hate making a short term decision for a long term purchase

Dcanoli

07-09-2007, 07:45 AM

ukcatfan

07-09-2007, 09:45 AM

See...that is EXACTLY the dilemma (sp?) I'm talking about!

Nobody wants to lug the 200mm around, but you feel it's a necessary evil. AND...everybody wants the 50mm, but it's over $300.

I haven't checked Ebay...maybe later on when I sell some more stuff on there to pay for it!

I think I'm going to make the jump later tonight. I'm on my way out today to run errands, and I want to see if I get any more responses to this thread before I buy the camera.

However, it has gotten AWESOME reviews from the review websites and people that have bought it, and it's got the best price going right now. It ALMOST seems too good to be true, doesn't it?

I believe that you are looking at the macro f/2.8 if the price is over $300. The f/1.4 version is around $200 and currently has a $25 rebate. As for lugging the 50-200mm, do not worry too much b/c it is just a tiny bit larger than the 18-55mm and is not heavy due to it being a digital only lens. As to if you use it much or not is more up to your shooting style. At WDW, I only use tele at AK.I personally shoot more wide, so I saved my money and went with a used 80-210mm Tamron. The quality of the shots from it are not what I could get from the Pentax lens, but I almost never need that focal length anyway. I am thinking about upgrading to the expected DA 17-70mm and DA 55-300mm in a couple of years. They might not be out for a year or so anyway.

If only one of the FA 50mm f/1.4 or the DA 50-200mm is an option at this point, I would go with the FA 50mm because I shoot mainly wider shots and low light is important to me. It is also good for creating a shallow DOF. Only you can decide if low light use/DOF control is more important than tele range.

Kevin

WebmasterCricket

07-09-2007, 11:45 AM

I think that is what I am leaning toward Kevin.

Dcanoli

07-09-2007, 03:42 PM

Well maybe I should look into that then.

I didn't even look to see if there were DIFFERENT 50mms! DUH!

I know when I had my film SLRs, I didn't really use the zoom all that much, but let me pose this question....what is the benefit to having a dedicated 50mm versus a 18-55mm?

Groucho

07-09-2007, 09:00 PM

I'm shying away from "what DSLR should I buy" threads for a while but I'm happy to chime in when you're already pretty much decided. :) Kevin's made a lot of the points already. The camera feels and works very similarly to the comparable Nikons, only with image stabilization. I don't have IS as I bought mine before the K100D came along, but am still very happy. Pentax does have some terrific lenses, especially when it comes to primes. Their kit lens is as good or better than any other equivalent kit lenses out there, and you are unlikely to have any need to upgrade it unless you want a faster lens. (I just recently picked up a Tamron 28-75mm F2.8 lens, but I got it for the low-light performance, not because I was unhappy with the optical quality of the kit lens.)

For low prices, you're unlikely to beat Beach Camera no matter where you look. If you do see it cheaper, it's probably not reputable. However, Beach's site is not exactly the best, and they do have a lot of lenses that may not come up when browsing. Toss "Pentax" into the search box and you'll find them. However, their lens prices aren't always as good as their camera prices, unfortunately! Fortunately, they do have the 50mm for pretty cheap.

They have the 50mm F1.4 for $189, minus $25 rebate, so $164 - an incredible lens for that, easily able to match or beat any comparable lens that costs twice as much.

The 50mm Macro F2.8 is $369 from them, minus $50 rebate. This costs more because it's a macro lens, so it can focus closer than the F1.4.

It looks like they're out of stock on the 50-200mm at the moment, but they had it for a little more than B&H or Adorama... it's a great one to get in a kit, but you can always get it later - chances are that it'll still have a $50 rebate when the next round of rebates comes along, but you don't get the extra $50 of buying both at once.

Chances are that they're selling quickly as the current rebate is ending before long. It's up at the end of the month. I was about to order the fisheye 10-17mm a few days ago and it suddenly went out of stock... argh...

Oh, and the 50-200mm is really quite light and small - at its shortest, it's not much longer than the 18-55mm.

The advantage of the 50mm F1.4 over the 18-55mm is two-fold - first, being a prime (non-zoom) lens, it's sharper (it's one of the all-time great lenses), and second, the big advantage is that it lets in so much light that you can take quality photos in much darker environments. You can also control depth of field more, once you're ready to start doing that. I used mine for about 49% of the ~2,500 photos I took at WDW in January, even though I was carrying six lenses. So much at WDW is in low-light that it's really a terrific lens to have. If you like, you can look at my signature and follow the links to my gallery or trip report to see my photos from the trip. I'm currently working my way through them again with a different RAW processor and getting some nice improvements on many of them, too, so I hope to have them all replaced with better ones before long.

Also, Kevin's right about the price-cutting to get attention. When I bought my Pentax around this time last year, the camera alone had a $100 rebate. I think the 50-200mm when I bought it a little later also had a $100 rebate, and my 50mm F1.4 had a $50 rebate. Now each of those is half what it was then, as Pentax has had a lot of success in the past year.

Dcanoli

07-09-2007, 09:43 PM

I'll try and quote only parts of your post Groucho.....FIRST.....

.....their kit lens is as good or better than any other equivalent kit lenses out there, and you are unlikely to have any need to upgrade it unless you want a faster lens.....

I was wondering about this very point....my main purpose in buying the camera is for Disney's low-light scenarios.....and won't I need the faster lens for that?

....They have the 50mm F1.4 for $189, minus $25 rebate, so $164 - an incredible lens for that, easily able to match or beat any comparable lens that costs twice as much.....It looks like they're out of stock on the 50-200mm at the moment, but they had it for a little more than B&H or Adorama... it's a great one to get in a kit, but you can always get it later - chances are that it'll still have a $50 rebate when the next round of rebates comes along, but you don't get the extra $50 of buying both at once.

I cannot even believe this! I had put both the kit and the 50-200mm in my cart this morning, went out to run errands, and came back to place my order! The darn thing was GONE! I've e-mailed them and called, but no answer from them yet.

I have to say that I am in total agreement with you Groucho about the prices and the kit...HOWEVER, I was debating getting the prime 50mm instead of the 18-55 for Disney, and that was probably going to be my next question to both of you: (a) For Disney, most people seem to recommend using just the prime, but I'm wondering if the 18-55mm wouldn't be used more and (b) the cost of the 100D body plus the prime EQUALS (basically) what the kit plus the tele would cost. I'm not sure my brain can fathom paying the SAME thing for a camera body and ONE lens when I could have gotten a camera body and TWO lenses for the same price.

How do you guys rate the different "sets," if you will? It also doesn't seem as if a lot of people use the tele at WDW (though it might come in handy elsewhere in life).

Does one wait to see if the 200mm comes back in stock (#1) or (#2) go for the body and prime alone or (#3) go for the body, prime, and the 18-55 (if financially able)?

I really hate to miss out on this double rebate on the 200mm, but I also hate to buy it if I'll hardly use it.

Make sense?

ukcatfan

07-09-2007, 10:29 PM

I have to say that I am in total agreement with you Groucho about the prices and the kit...HOWEVER, I was debating getting the prime 50mm instead of the 18-55 for Disney, and that was probably going to be my next question to both of you: (a) For Disney, most people seem to recommend using just the prime, but I'm wondering if the 18-55mm wouldn't be used more and (b) the cost of the 100D body plus the prime EQUALS (basically) what the kit plus the tele would cost. I'm not sure my brain can fathom paying the SAME thing for a camera body and ONE lens when I could have gotten a camera body and TWO lenses for the same price.

Getting the 18-55mm kit is a no brainer decision. You must have something in that range. You will never be happy with outdoor shots at WDW if your widest lens is a 50mm. There are other options for that range, but all are much more expensive. Besides, the difference in price between the body only and the one with the kit is like $40 at Buydig.

Kevin

Dcanoli

07-09-2007, 10:35 PM

Yes, Kevin--that is what I am looking at right now...I've got all three websites up and comparing prices....

I just don't see how one couldn't have a wide-angle.....You really need that lens....

So, you get the kit...and then one has to make the final decision--tele or prime? :confused3

Eventually, you are going to need them all....and both (w/rebates) are pricing out the same--$175 vs. $180--however, you don't get the bonus $50 camera rebate if you buy the prime right now....

...and that is a DARN SHAME because WDW is FULL of low-light picture-taking opps, and Mommy needs that PRIME! :rotfl: :rotfl:

Why can't they just make it easy on a person and offer the bonus $50 on ANY LENS? Good grief...decisions, decisions, decisions....

Groucho

07-09-2007, 11:15 PM

I was wondering about this very point....my main purpose in buying the camera is for Disney's low-light scenarios.....and won't I need the faster lens for that?
Well, you can do pretty well by bumping the ISO levels, but ISO levels plus a fast lens really take it to a whole different level, in terms of capturing low-light stuff without a flash.

I cannot even believe this! I had put both the kit and the 50-200mm in my cart this morning, went out to run errands, and came back to place my order! The darn thing was GONE! I've e-mailed them and called, but no answer from them yet.
Yup... hopefully they'll get more before the month is out. When I got my 50mm F1.4, they were extremely difficult to find. I ended up just putting in a backorder for it at Adorama, and what do you know, they got more just a couple days later. Now, it's easier to find than the 50-200mm! I'm sure the end of the rebate coming up is driving some sales, but some of them tend to go in and out of stock regularly. I'm just hoping that they get the fisheye back before the end of the month... that's got a $100 rebate and the prices seem to have dropped lately, so they may end up only giving it a $50 rebate next time...

How do you guys rate the different "sets," if you will? It also doesn't seem as if a lot of people use the tele at WDW (though it might come in handy elsewhere in life).
For WDW, I'd definitely choose 18-55mm+50mm over 18-55mm+50-200mm. For average shooting, that's a bit tougher. My 50-200mm gets a lot of use other times.

Now, if I could only have one lens of the group, it'd have to be either the 18-55mm or the 50mm, but picking just one is like Sophie's choice! :eek: Don't make me do it! :teeth:

Does one wait to see if the 200mm comes back in stock (#1) or (#2) go for the body and prime alone or (#3) go for the body, prime, and the 18-55 (if financially able)?

I really hate to miss out on this double rebate on the 200mm, but I also hate to buy it if I'll hardly use it.
I think you'd get a fair amount of use out of it, just not as much as WDW as other places.

However, which way to go? That's a good question. I would lean towards #1, but there's always the chance that the camera itself will go out of stock. Also price out Adorama and B&H, last time I checked, I think they had the 50-200mm for cheaper than Beach, so the grand total may have been not that dissimilar. They will charge you shipping (and tax if in NYS), so that cuts into the extra $50, but better than not getting it at all!

Dcanoli

07-09-2007, 11:23 PM

I know, I know...you have hit the proverbial nail on the head....

All three sites tie on camera price, but BD was the cheapest on the 200mm and is the chepeast on the 50mm...it's all a wash now anyway with the 200 being sold out....

My total was going to be $550, but now, for the body and kit and one lens, I'm at about $600-$650, depending on the site....

So, like I said--you hit the nail on the head.....PERFECT WORLD? ALL THREE LENSES NEEDED....Disney World? Prime + WA

I jotted down BD's number a few minutes ago....gonna call them on the way to work tomorrow. If they think they can get it back in stock, I'll go ahead and order the tele because it's too sweet a deal to resist.

Otherwise, I'm going to just order the camera w/kit and wait for the Prime to get a rebate and free shipping.

Thanks, Groucho.....I got it, you got it, NOW if PENTAX would get it! :goodvibes

Dcanoli

07-13-2007, 11:23 AM

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I wanted to say thank you to all your photo guys for helping me through the buying process....

I sold both my film SLRs and did a few Get Paid To sites (from the Disboards too) to earn about $300 toward my new Pentax.

After much internet review reading and talking to you guys on these boards, I bit the bullet this morning and ordered the Pentax 100D. (Let's hope all MY hype lives up to my pictures!)

It was $469 minus a $50 rebate, bringing it down to about $419. Not too bad for an SLR digital w/an 18-55mm lens.

I wanted to get the $150 rebate, but I waited too long, and the 50-200mm lens sold out at BuyDig. They had it at a few other websites, but their 100D price was much higher than BD's.

Also, thank you for the awesome fireworks help! I am so excited about WDW in September! This will be my first trip trying pictures, so I'm sure we'll have to go back in 2008 for another one!

Now, I do have one more final question--what kind of filters do you suggest right off the bat? A "daylight one" (the name escapes me at the moment)? A polarizing one? Any others?

ukcatfan

07-13-2007, 11:58 AM

Now, I do have one more final question--what kind of filters do you suggest right off the bat? A "daylight one" (the name escapes me at the moment)? A polarizing one? Any others?

Get a CP for sure, but I would not get a protection one(UV/sky/daylight). As long as you are careful not to bump your camera lens into something with a sharp point, the lens hood gives enough protection. Those filters actually degrade the quality of the shot. Another useful one is a graduated ND filter. It will reduce the exposure for only part of the shot, which can be useful on horizon shots. If working with very bright light or when wanting to slow down a shot beyond what the aperture can do, a regular ND filter might be needed. There are also some trick filters that cannot be easily reproduced on the computer like a starlight/cross filter. It gives the shooting streams of light effect to points of light. They usually come in 4,6, and 8 line versions. Generally all the color, warming, cooling, etc. filter effects can be done on a computer with even more control.

Kevin

Dcanoli

07-13-2007, 04:01 PM

Get a CP for sure. Another useful one is a graduated ND filter.

Okay, humor me here--I'm a newbie--what is a CP and an ND? Thanks!

ukcatfan

07-13-2007, 04:10 PM

Okay, humor me here--I'm a newbie--what is a CP and an ND? Thanks!

circular polarizer - a regular polarizer will not work correctly on your camera
neutral density - basically dark glass that reduces the light coming in

Kevin

Groucho

07-14-2007, 06:18 PM

Dcanoli

07-14-2007, 07:05 PM

Circular polarizer is probably top of the list. Everything else is way down the list IMHO behind a good tripod, remote shutter release, extra memory cards, etc.

I just bought a new Hoya multicoated circular polarizer for my Tamron 28-75mm F2.8. I got it from "slphotogear" on eBay, good prices and very quick shipping. I was going to check the local college's photo shop as well, where they often have decent prices, but I decided that it was unlikely that they'd beat their price.

Congratulations on the camera! Make sure to take plenty of memory cards - and I really recommend shooting in Raw mode. You may not be ready to do more than just run the photos through a raw converter at this point (the one Pentax provides with the camera is decent enough), but you may want to at a later point down the road when you're more comfortable with the process. However, the raws take around 3x as much space, so you'll have to keep that in mind when buying memory cards - more is better!

Good grief Groucho! Could you throw any MORE information my way? :rotfl:

No, seriously, thank you for the congratulations! It's a big step, you know!

I was just getting ready to look on Ebay for the CP...thank you for that userid. I'll make sure to look for them....So...CP, tripod, and shutter release (thanks for reminding me about that--I had completely forgotten!!)...right?

Also, I was wondering about RAW mode. It seemed more advanced, so honestly, I was thinking about skipping it. I know it gives a better picture, but what are the differences? Is it major enough to shoot in RAW?

...and I've heard you guys say how much space it takes up....I have a 1GB and a 128 card (another 1GB if I take my son's MixStick card!!)--normally, I can get about 400-500 6MP shots on my 1GB card (on my Kodak PNS); how will that dwindle if I shoot in RAW?

...and thanks for letting me know about the camera's software. I saw that it came w/software, but I wasn't sure what it was or if I would even need and/or use it.

I've seen that everyone seems to prefer different photo editing software packages and some of them are even free on the web. What I've got right now is MS' Digital Image Suite....I'm not sure if that will convert RAW images.

What else do you use the included software for (i.e., photo edits, converting RAW to JPEG [?], etc.)?

Thanks!

ukcatfan

07-14-2007, 07:36 PM

Also, I was wondering about RAW mode. It seemed more advanced, so honestly, I was thinking about skipping it. I know it gives a better picture, but what are the differences? Is it major enough to shoot in RAW?

...and I've heard you guys say how much space it takes up....I have a 1GB and a 128 card (another 1GB if I take my son's MixStick card!!)--normally, I can get about 400-500 6MP shots on my 1GB card (on my Kodak PNS); how will that dwindle if I shoot in RAW?

...and thanks for letting me know about the camera's software. I saw that it came w/software, but I wasn't sure what it was or if I would even need and/or use it.

I've seen that everyone seems to prefer different photo editing software packages and some of them are even free on the web. What I've got right now is MS' Digital Image Suite....I'm not sure if that will convert RAW images.

What else do you use the included software for (i.e., photo edits, converting RAW to JPEG [?], etc.)?

Thanks!

Your 400-500 will turn into about 90 in RAW. SD memory is very cheap these days though, so do not worry. I just ordered a 2GB high speed card from Amazon last night for $25 with free shipping.

At first, I suggest just using the free RAW software while you get used to it. After you have some experience, you might find that it is missing some feature that you want and you could then make a smarter purchase on a better converter. Lightroom is very popular, but not worth the $$$ IMO. There are a number of other choices and many are affordable.

The biggest benefit of RAW is that you can adjust the image more without negative effects and you can easily modify the white balance. It is basically a digital negative and is never modified. The adjustments are normally stored as a separate file.

Kevin

Groucho

07-14-2007, 08:06 PM

Like Kevin said - you'll definitely want a bigger memory card! 2gbs seem to usually offer the best bang for the buck.

For converting raws, I'd stick with the included Pentax software for now. You can download the latest version from here (http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/show_software?softId=7717476) but you need to install it from your original CD first.

The big advantage is that you have a more latitude for post-processing later, and one of the big things right off the bat is very easy white balance adjustments. DSLRs all have a hard time getting the right color under tungsten light (which is most indoor lighting), so you end up with yellows instead of whites. This is trivial to adjust afterwards with Raw, more so than with a jpg.

If you have the space, it really makes sense to shoot raw at Disney, because those are shots that you're probably not going to be able to take again for a little while (depending on how often you go), so it's that much more important to get the best possible shot now.

Dcanoli

07-14-2007, 08:35 PM

Alright guys....I'm sort of a middle-bie (not terribly new, but not experienced like you two)! :goodvibes

Now...white balance...familiar w/the term, but not so much when dealing w/it. You don't really deal w/it that much on PNS cameras. Once the Pentax comes, and I get to play w/it, I think I'll understand more what you mean.

As far as RAW, I guess I'll HAVE to try it, won't I? You two seem pretty set on using it versus JPG, PNG, etc.

...and I guess I'll keep my eye out for a good 2GB card. Here's the thing...how many shots do you get on your 2GB.

I just noticed YEKCIM's signature...he has FIVE GB cards! If you're telling me that a 1GB can only hold about 90 images, then I'd say you'd need at least 3. I normally take around 300 pictures a trip.

Alright...so bottom line...what you guys suggest...a CP for sure, a tripod (do you store it in a locker or carry it around somehow w/you?), a shutter release cord, and a BIG memory card!

Hey, what about batteries? This thing takes 4 AA batteries. Do I need to keep a lot on hand? How fast do they die?

Groucho

07-14-2007, 08:47 PM

I get about 189 shots on a 2gb card in Raw mode.

White balance is no more or less important on a DSLR than on a PnS, but it's usually ignored on a PnS (hence the term "point and shoot"), but most PnSs are capable of having white balance set to a pre-determined level.

Raw is not really comparable to PNG. As far as I know, no camera has ever outputting PNG directly. PNG also, I don't believe, can store the setting separately like a raw file can.

For batteries, I would sometimes have to change my batteries late in the day. If you're going to shoot fireworks, you'll want a fresh set as bulb mode is especially demanding on batteries. 2 or 3 sets should be plenty, as well as a good charger.

Dcanoli

07-14-2007, 08:56 PM

2 or 3 sets should be plenty, as well as a good charger.

Well, I was wondering....so, you use rechargeable batteries?

The review on dpreview said to just use regular AA because they seemed to last a long time in this camera.

ukcatfan

07-14-2007, 09:29 PM

Well, I was wondering....so, you use rechargeable batteries?

Without a doubt. Not only will the disposables be more expensive, but why add to the landfills. If you happen to be set on disposables, then go for lithiums.

The review on dpreview said to just use regular AA because they seemed to last a long time in this camera.

I think Phil might actually be losing his mind if he said that in a review. It just goes as support on why I put less and less weight on his site's opinions. ;)

Kevin

P.S. I forgot to mention that if you think that your normal is 300 shots, go ahead and plan for more because the new camera will likely inspire you to shoot more.

Anewman

07-14-2007, 09:36 PM

P.S. I forgot to mention that if you think that your normal is 300 shots, go ahead and plan for more because the new camera will likely inspire you to shoot more.

And since it is FASTER than any camera you have shot in the past you will be ready for more shots... No more waiting 30 seconds in between shots.:)

Dcanoli

07-15-2007, 07:16 AM

I think Phil might actually be losing his mind if he said that in a review. It just goes as support on why I put less and less weight on his site's opinions. I forgot to mention that if you think that your normal is 300 shots, go ahead and plan for more because the new camera will likely inspire you to shoot more.

And since it is FASTER than any camera you have shot in the past you will be ready for more shots... No more waiting 30 seconds in between shots.:)

WHAT? Are you even kidding me?

I was planning on MORE shots because I was hoping to get some great fireworks shots, you know? But, the thought of taking FASTER pictures never even occurred to me.

Heck, I'll be happy just to have a camera that works. We paid a little over $300 for our Kodak PNS. It was their top of the line two years ago--I got it because it had all kinds of manual features on it; HOWEVER, the manual features really weren't all that manual, if you know what I mean--very limited.

THEN, it started freezing on me--now, I have to hit the side of it after I take a picture to see the review of it, and I have to "rub" my finger across the button that takes the pictures to get it to actually "unfreeze" and focus before I TAKE the picture....it's a joke--for $400 I'm getting an SLR, and for $300, I got two years I got a PNS...

It still "works," but it is such a hassle having to hit it, wait, hit it again....so embarrasing when you are trying to take someone's picture!

So, all that said--I am looking forward to a camera that will actually focus, shoot, and review when I tell it to! :rotfl:

..and as for Phil's review...what is said was basically something to the effect of...the batteries lasted throughout their whole test, which was a whole day or something like that....

NOW, you tell me not to put weight in his reviews! :rotfl: DP and CNET gave HUGE rave views to the Pentax 100D. Said it was the best camera (and the best value out there) for the MP and the buck! (But, hey--most of you guys on the photo. boards agreed too! So, that sealed my deal!) Plus, it performed the same and even better in some instances as the Nikon and Canon!

ukcatfan

07-15-2007, 09:52 AM

NOW, you tell me not to put weight in his reviews! :rotfl: DP and CNET gave HUGE rave views to the Pentax 100D. Said it was the best camera (and the best value out there) for the MP and the buck! (But, hey--most of you guys on the photo. boards agreed too! So, that sealed my deal!) Plus, it performed the same and even better in some instances as the Nikon and Canon!

He did a pretty good job on the K100D review, but he has just seemed a little inconsistent lately. He really gave the K10D a raw deal IMO. I think he is just in a little over his head and sort of doing some brand loyalty. Then he went and sold his site to Amazon??? It is getting harder and harder to take his stuff seriously when he is now part of a big company like that. I put more weight in http://www.dcresource.com/ reviews lately.

Kevin

Dcanoli

07-15-2007, 01:23 PM

Well, why didn't you tell me that a few weeks ago? :rotfl:

I hope THEIR review of the K100 was good! :rotfl: I'll have to check it out!

Thanks Kevin....

Anewman

07-15-2007, 01:33 PM

He did a pretty good job on the K100D review, but he has just seemed a little inconsistent lately. He really gave the K10D a raw deal IMO. I think he is just in a little over his head and sort of doing some brand loyalty. Then he went and sold his site to Amazon??? It is getting harder and harder to take his stuff seriously when he is now part of a big company like that. I put more weight in http://www.dcresource.com/ reviews lately.

Kevin

One thing about the DPREVIEW reviews, you dont need to read Phil or Simons opinions the reviews are filled with 20 pages of FACTS/timings and actual comparison shots so one can come to their own conclusions. And the tests are the same for most cameras reviewed, while other sites have too many variables to get an accurate comparison sometimes(imo). So I can compare images from a brand new review to images from my 3 year old 20D, all shot under the same exact conditions. No other site is as consistent IMO.

Dcanoli

07-15-2007, 02:06 PM

Well, it seems all the reviews for this camera are about the same--mostly positive w/a few negatives....

The only thing I am seeing right now that appears a little disappointing is that the on the disboards, I can see Nikon pictures by say, GDAD or YEKCIM, that are spectacular, and the examples I'm seeing on the above-mentioned review's website aren't as good....

I hope this doesn't reflect on the pictures I will actually get because on the other review site (DP), the Pentax pictures were comparable to Nikon's.

Anewman

07-15-2007, 02:23 PM

I hope this doesn't reflect on the pictures I will actually get because on the other review site (DP), the Pentax pictures were comparable to Nikon's.

It is a great camera I am sure you will get awesome photos.:)

Dcanoli

07-15-2007, 02:31 PM

One can only hope....

ukcatfan

07-15-2007, 07:05 PM

The only thing I am seeing right now that appears a little disappointing is that the on the disboards, I can see Nikon pictures by say, GDAD or YEKCIM, that are spectacular, and the examples I'm seeing on the above-mentioned review's website aren't as good....

Don't look too much into their shots for comparison as they are both very good photographers. In the equation, I think it is about 10% camera and 90% photographer. If you want to improve your technique, you should look at the books from Bryan Peterson. Understanding Exposure is an excelent choice, but there is a newer book by him that goes into the digital aspects a little more. I have heard that it is very similar to UE with added information on post processing.

Kevin

YEKCIM

07-15-2007, 08:04 PM

Don't look too much into their shots for comparison as they are both very good photographers. In the equation, I think it is about 10% camera and 90% photographer. If you want to improve your technique, you should look at the books from Bryan Peterson. Understanding Exposure is an excelent choice, but there is a newer book by him that goes into the digital aspects a little more. I have heard that it is very similar to UE with added information on post processing.

Kevin

Keep in mind, too, that PP has a lot to do with it. Jeff is a master at PP and, though I'm still struggling with Picasa, even just a little PP can make a HUGE difference in the appearance of the final result. I'm not absolutely certain, but I *think* the review images on most, if not all, of the review sites are straight from the camera. DSLR's typically do less PP in-camera, although the amount of in-camera PP is user-adjustable. In order to get the most out of the digital file, some PP will be required. One reason I settled on the D50 is that it produces very good out-of-camera JPEG's, but I still have to do some PP in order to make them look the way I want them to. That is especially true of RAW images, which the camera does not PP in any way, as I understand it.

Hope that is helpful.

BTW, I'm just back from The World and hope to have some images ready to post in a day or two.

~Ed

Groucho

07-15-2007, 11:01 PM

I don't care for DPReview, and it doesn't matter if he had praised the K10D as well as he did the K100D, I still wouldn't think much of his difficult-to-navigate and confusing site, where press releases often masquerade as actual news. (Example, recently someone from here quoting glowing comments about a particular camera from a DPReview page, but it was actually just a press release and not clearly marked as so.) Just like I don't respect Consumer Reports even though they really like my favorite line of cars - even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;)

Still, the hard stats can be helpful and I do often end up referencing them when I'm looking for things like sensor sizes, etc.

The only thing I am seeing right now that appears a little disappointing is that the on the disboards, I can see Nikon pictures by say, GDAD or YEKCIM, that are spectacular, and the examples I'm seeing on the above-mentioned review's website aren't as good....
There are a lot of excellent photographers around here. (Check out some of 0bli0's work sometimes - wow!) But the Nikon uses the same sensor as the Pentax, so if you're shooting raw, quality is basically identical, it's just up to the lens, and I think that with the basic kit lens (as well as the 50mm), you'll be slightly ahead with the Pentax. Note that I'm pretty sure that Gdad and YEKCIM are not using the kit lens. :)

Here's a few shots from my Pentax *ist DL, which is a bit older and has the same sensor as the K100D and D40/D50, but lacks image stabilization and has a cheaper and slower autofocus system. I'm certainly no great talent but I have a lot of fun, and I don't feel that the camera is letting me down in the IQ department.

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/28835-2/2007WDW4-fam-002.jpg

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/26343-4/2007WDW4-044.jpg

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/24566-4/2007WDW4-119.jpg

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/549-4/2007WDW-071.jpg

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/23869-4/2007WDW4-517.jpg

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/25537-4/2007WDW4-399.jpg

Here's a few non-Disney ones.

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/67-4/070623Boat02.jpg

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/7409-4/EuroCarDay07-07.jpg

http://www.totalsham.com/pics/gallery/7389-4/EuroCarDay07-02.jpg

If you want to see some really impressive work, check out the Pentax forums at any of the big sites (Steve's Digicams, DPReview, etc) or pentaxforums.com - there are plenty of folks producing really amazing shots with their cameras. Don't let IQ fear scare you away.

Dcanoli

07-15-2007, 11:25 PM

Okay, I get the point! :rotfl:

I will try to head over to those sites sometime tomorrow, Groucho, and take a look around...sounds good.

I think I'm really gonna have to just play around w/the camera, because--frankly--between you and me--the RAW thing scares me a little. If you guys say, "Do It," then, I'm gonna do it, but just the thought of it is a little intimidating.

However, I did read the review that was linked above, and it showed pictures of the software that comes w/the camera, and it appears to be pretty simple and straightforward.

I do appreciate you posting about the Pentax's features that are the same as the Nikon's. That means that someday, with a little Pixie Dust, practice, and good luck, I can compete w/those two "old guys" and their Nikons! :rotfl:

...and you are right, I'm not sure Ed was shooting w/the kit lens...did you see the SIZE of the lens he was using? What was that? The 300mm?

...again, thanks for keeping posting...everything you post, puts me one step closer to being a better user....

Deb

Dcanoli

07-18-2007, 03:40 PM

Does it matter what brand?

Groucho

07-18-2007, 07:03 PM

The brand probably doesn't matter so much as buying a fairly decent one, preferably multicoated.

When you say NP, do you mean ND (neutral density)? I wouldn't worry too much about picking up one of those, you probably won't need one very often. I don't have any and I can't think of a time where I really wishes that I did. Maybe once I might have used one if I'd had one available, but nothing like the CP, which gets a lot of usage - mine'll probably be on my lens nearly non-stop for outdoor photos on my DL trip.

Dcanoli

07-18-2007, 07:46 PM

Yes, that's what I meant! Thanks!

There are so many on Ebay, I was curious it brand mattered...got a watch on a Hoya now...

Thanks!

Greg K.

07-20-2007, 07:06 AM

I just got the Pentax 50 lens (Beach Camera, $184) and it IS an impressive piece of work. Especially in low light.

One caveat: depth of field is very shallow. This can make for some gorgeous shots, but if anything is an inch or two off from the focus point, it's out of focus. Like the picture below.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f46/gkandra/tot.jpg

Groucho

07-20-2007, 05:52 PM

Yes, that's what I meant! Thanks!

There are so many on Ebay, I was curious it brand mattered...got a watch on a Hoya now...

Thanks!
I just picked up a Hoya CP from Spotlight Photo aka slphotogear on eBay. Good price and very quick shipping. I'd buy from them again if I was picking up another filter.

Dcanoli

06-05-2008, 08:17 PM

This thread is really old, but I was just reading through it again for a friend of mine. (She is contemplating a DSLR purchase, and I thought this thread would be a great read for her!)

I just wanted to publicly thank KEVIN AND JEFF for helping me. It's been almost a year now since I purchased my K100D, and when I read back thru my old posts on here, I sound like such an idiot, but you both were gracious, kind, and patient.

A year later, and I feel like I have grown so much using my DSLR! Everything you said on here now makes INCREDIBLE, PERFECT SENSE! Ha! Ha!

This is also a great thread to bump back up to the top for anyone considering purchasing a Pentax SLR.

THANKS AGAIN KEVIN AND JEFF! You guys were (and still are) incredible!

Deb

ukcatfan

06-05-2008, 08:44 PM

You're welcome! :goodvibes

Groucho

06-05-2008, 09:54 PM

Hey, it's great to see you enjoying your camera! :) (I assume you meant another Jeff - I'm Jeff too but rarely say so!)

How time flies... one year, two DSLRs ago, one DL trip, one WDW trip, and one web host ago for me, so I went back and updated my broken (from my old host) photo links on page 3. I'll check the earlier pages to see if I missed any others. :)

Dcanoli

06-05-2008, 09:58 PM

(I assume you meant another Jeff - I'm Jeff too but rarely say so!)

NOPE! I meant you! :thumbsup2

Groucho

06-05-2008, 10:00 PM

In that case, even more thanks! :rotfl:

I saw Jeff AKA Gdad mentioned earlier in the thread but didn't re-read the whole thing to see the context, and wasn't sure if you knew my "real" name or not. :teeth:

Dcanoli

06-05-2008, 10:05 PM

Thumper_ehhhhh

06-06-2008, 12:49 AM

Dcanoli

06-06-2008, 06:33 AM

I also have the Pentax K100D with the 2 lens package. I've had it for just over a year. I love it. I got mine after reading these forums and the fact I have had other Pentax cameras and have always been happy with them.

I have to say that it really is a great camera, and I am happy with my decision.

Sometimes, it is hard to be the "lone" Pentax user out there, when everyone around you is using Nikon (and their pictures keep turning out FABULOUS), but when you tell people that Pentax has the same sensor inside as the Nikon, that usually stops them in their tracks. (Not to mention that it also costs a FRACTION of what their Nikon cost!)

I've had a hard time adjusting over the year, learning (and forcing myself) to NOT use the Auto setting.

(I recently went hiking w/my 11YO son, and I forced myself to use M for most of the shots. He was getting annoyed waiting on me all the time, but I was so fascinated with how much better my shots were on that mode [versus my Av shots for that day] that I just kept on fiddling with the settings!)

I am loving every minute of owning an SLR, and the fact that Groucho and UK are on here encouraging people is a big plus for me. ...not to mention that I love reading their reviews and opinions on other threads.