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Unregistered
06-26-2007, 11:28 AM
First the little girl was left alone in her hotel room, then a 3 year old left alone for 45 minutes at WDW in the hot sun.

What is wrong with these parents? I know you can blink, look at a souvenir and they can disappear, but this is preventable.

My friend and I call each other smothers instead of mothers.

Our sons go to tae kwon do together and the amount of parents that just drop off their kids are just unbelievable. Out of 30 kids, usually we're the only ones that stay. Once somebody left a 2yo sibling sitting there alone for 45 minutes.

Hope73
06-26-2007, 08:14 PM
I agree with you. I am in the midwest and am upset by people that leave theri kids at the pool. Some are only 8 at the most, I would not do that.

jcc0621
06-26-2007, 08:16 PM
then a 3 year old left alone for 45 minutes at WDW in the hot sun.



What did I miss? When did this happen? Are people out of their minds. I could not imagine leaving my DS alone for any amount of time:scared1:

Unregistered
06-26-2007, 08:43 PM
When you open the DIS page it's on the bottom right side. I'm horrified. That poor baby left by itself at three years old. We know how HOT FL gets.

jcc0621
06-26-2007, 08:52 PM
I just read the story. They should be tied to a stroller and made to sit in the hot sun......According to the story I read on wesh.com they said "They forgot about her" :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

annie1995
06-26-2007, 09:21 PM
:sad2:

pixdust
06-26-2007, 09:51 PM
That is insane. I don't understand some people. My son is 10, I just in the last week have let him be at our local pool by himself. But only then because I knew a mom from 2 houses down was their with her girls. I have been amazed at the number of people I have seen who take their small ones out on blazing sunny days with no hat, no shade, no cover at all and no consideration for how long they have been dragging these toddlers and babies around without naps and cool shade. It makes no sense.:sad2:

ILoveJack
06-26-2007, 10:04 PM
What I don't get is why no one else noticed this child earlier? Someone should have said something before 45 minutes.

guelde96
06-26-2007, 10:38 PM
It is insane. I am having trouble with my 9 year old son because when we are out in public I will not let him use the mens restroom if his father is not with us.

Tangent_
06-26-2007, 11:39 PM
I wish this surprised me. My wife works at an elementary school and it's amazing how many parents don't even attempt to hide the fact that they consider their kids to be inconvenient. Stay-at-home parents regularly leave kids to the last second in after-school programs intended for families where both parents work. Many miss a huge amount of school because the parent couldn't be bothered with taking them, they show up in PJs, they have nothing but a bag of Cheetos (big bag, not snack size!) for lunch, etc...

I'm betting that hundreds of people noticed the kid but didn't say or do anything because of the expected response. I'd fully expect that a parent that would leave a kid sitting alone would also be the type to get extremely hostile if questioned about their parenting.

mumom95
06-27-2007, 07:48 AM
Can someone direct to the story about the child left unattended? I hadn't heard anything about it until this thread.

Oh, and it makes me think of something my grandmother used to say: "there's something wrong when you need a license to fish, but anyone can become a parent"

mumom95
06-27-2007, 07:51 AM
Never mind, I found it.

Unregistered
06-27-2007, 08:25 AM
I'm a SAHM and I help out ds6's teacher twice a week for half a day. I see parents have full time nannies/au pairs that don't spend any time with their kids. We have SAHD(ads) here too and it's the same thing. They all want to go on the class trips and be at the parties, but don't want to help the teacher with mundane tasks.

Sabrina90744
06-27-2007, 09:26 AM
It is insane. I am having trouble with my 9 year old son because when we are out in public I will not let him use the mens restroom if his father is not with us.

I have this same problem, I had one lady yell at me telling me my child was to old to be in the ladies room, she went on and on and on. The next day on the news a boy older than mine was molested in a bathroom...

carrie s
06-27-2007, 10:37 AM
That poor 3 year old. It doesnt surprise me at all.Theres always people leaving newborn babies in hot cars in the middle of summer while the parents go shopping.One of the things that really bothers me is where I live if someone leaves a dog in their car during the summer,the SPCA will come and break their window to let the dog out and the people will get charged.When people leave their babies in the car,nothing gets done.

Hannathy
06-27-2007, 02:20 PM
It is insane. I am having trouble with my 9 year old son because when we are out in public I will not let him use the mens restroom if his father is not with us.

I don't blame your DS. 9 is too old to be in the womens room.

I see nothing wrong with dropping kids off at supervised activities or practices like dance or sports. Parents do not have to hover every second of the day. Just when are these kids eve going to learn any independence. It isn't something that just appears, you have to learn it in small steps.

the john
06-27-2007, 02:32 PM
Why would someone do that? There are a lot of sick people in this world who could easily walk away with another persons child.

lawlesslovewdw
06-27-2007, 02:33 PM
I don't blame your DS. 9 is too old to be in the womens room.

I see nothing wrong with dropping kids off at supervised activities or practices like dance or sports. Parents do not have to hover every second of the day. Just when are these kids eve going to learn any independence. It isn't something that just appears, you have to learn it in small steps.

At 9 you should allow your son the dignity of going to the toilet by himself. I stand by the mens door calling ds (9) name every now and then, bet you worse things happen in the school toilets! Dont know about US but over here more kids get abused by their relatives then strangers, it is just that the stranger danger makes better news headlines. Children need to have independence to grow and mature. IMHO i would hate being called a smother, I take my children to school and outside activities but step back and supervise without them being aware. They are allowed to develop friendships and play at other kids houses, we do not have the laws to allow us to check if these people are safe or not and in our experience its the ones that do not seem to be a danger usually are. We do need to protect our children but are they need to grow without fear and distrust.

As for leaving a 3 year old :headache: that is neglect :sad2:

DizzDoll
06-27-2007, 02:43 PM
During the summer, at our local library there are parents who drop their very young children off at 9:00 when the doors open and pick them up on the way home from work, usually between 5:00 and 6:00. These parents have taught their children how to sneak around in the library so they don't get caught!!:confused3 And what do these kids eat for lunch? They DON'T. Apparently it's everyone else's responsiblity to raise other people's kids.:confused3 Why should anyone be amazed at what's being done to children these days? I agree with the OPs - my son was about 10 when I finally let him go to the men's room alone - with me right outside the door!!! I just don't trust anyone these days.

kbuckley
06-27-2007, 04:22 PM
When you open the DIS page it's on the bottom right side. I'm horrified. That poor baby left by itself at three years old. We know how HOT FL gets.

I can't find it. Can someone point it out to me?

baby1disney
06-27-2007, 05:07 PM
My son is five yrs old and sometimes I let him go in the mens room by hisself. He's very independent and I let him go every once in awhile alone. I'm always standing outside the door with it propped open and call his name at least 10 times!!! That way he feels like a big boy but yet I'm watching him. Also, if there's too many men in the bathroom at once, he doesn't go in. I'll take him to the ladies room. Now, when his father is with him, he goes in with him.

I think a kid should have some independence when it comes to the bathroom, but not all alone. Some of you may think that what I have just said is worng or what I'm doing is wrong, but that's how I handle my son. Plus, I think that it depends on the maturity of your child. But as far as leaving a child alone for almost an hour in the hot sun and you don't know about it, that's BS!!! :scared1: If that kid was sleeping, one of the parents should've stayed out and then when the other parent came back, then the other parent could've went. How horrible!!!!

eliza61
06-27-2007, 06:04 PM
Guys, I think you are forgetting one important fact. "Just because you can give birth doesn't make you a mother" Nowadays I'm sorry to say there are a whole lot of men and women I wouldn't leave a dog with let alone allow them near a child.

Here in Philly, there is a big controversy over a poor single mom who worked her fingers to the bone to insure her kids became successes as adults after dad left them high and dry. Unfortunately one son died on 9/11 and after 25 years of never seeing or speaking with the kid dad is trying to claim a 2 million dollar award. The sob's lawyer had the nerve to say "he doesn't have to prove he was a good dad, just the dad" Oooh I could choke him

Ladybison
06-27-2007, 06:12 PM
Here we go with the criticisms because people don't do things exactly the way you do it. You do what you like with your child. I will do what I like with mine. If a parent chooses to leave their child in a hotel room- they have to deal with the consequences. I for one am a child counselor and if only people knew. Yes, most molesters are people children know, however, it is becoming more prevelant that strangers (usually men) will expose themselves to children, etc. My son is 7 and he will not be going into any bathroom alone. That is my choice. I am not knocking anyone who sends their child into the bathroom.

As far as the woman who told one of the posters that her son was too old. Just what is it that is done in a womans bathroom that a young boy can't see? Everything I do, I do in the privacy of the stalls.

poober25
06-27-2007, 11:52 PM
My son just turned 9, and I rarely let him go to a public restroom alone. If it is a place we are very familiar with, and his friend is with him, they go together, but not by themselves. He is getting embarrassed sometimes now by going into the women's restroom with me, but he understands why. If other people don't like it, tough. He would NEVER go by himself at a place like WDW. We do utilize family or companion restrooms when they are available. I am paranoid, I guess, but I have been a victim of abuse, both by people I knew, and people I didn't.

PrincessBelle39
06-28-2007, 04:16 AM
I don't blame your DS. 9 is too old to be in the womens room.

I see nothing wrong with dropping kids off at supervised activities or practices like dance or sports. Parents do not have to hover every second of the day. Just when are these kids eve going to learn any independence. It isn't something that just appears, you have to learn it in small steps.

I would rather my child be a little bit embarressed that be molested or worse when left alone or allowed to go to the toilet by themselves. Not so long ago here there was an 8 year old girl raped and murdered when allowed to go to the female toilets alone. Her parents obviously thought she would be fine and would never have expected it. My kids are only 5 and 2 but it will be a long time before they are allowed to be that independent. Let them be embarrassed, I'm more concerned for their safety.

abcboys
06-28-2007, 08:01 AM
Hey are you guys from the ebay boards, too???
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=2000389808&tstart=0&mod=1183035311360

mabenoab
06-28-2007, 09:01 AM
Gotta pipe in: my boy is now 17, and I took him w/ me into the ladies at least till age 9, but at 10, he had to suffer Mom standing by the door to the mens' room, and carrying on a conversation with him.

Every parent does what they personally think is best, and every parent can back up what they think is best with argument and logic. Personally, I think my kids have developed a strong sense of independence (too much sometimes :) ) and I've been a very protective mom.

BeautyNBeast
06-28-2007, 09:23 AM
Can someone please post a link to this story? I still have no clue where it is.

Mkrop
06-28-2007, 10:24 AM
What I don't get is why no one else noticed this child earlier? Someone should have said something before 45 minutes.

When I read someone post that I immediately thought if the stroller was parked in stroller parking which is what it said I think then the front of the stroller is usually facing away from crowds and traffic and if the people on either side of where she was parked did not come back for their stroller that is how so much time could have passed, but it is the parents to blame.

Mkrop
06-28-2007, 10:26 AM
It is insane. I am having trouble with my 9 year old son because when we are out in public I will not let him use the mens restroom if his father is not with us.

I agree with you but be prepared to have people possibly flip out. I was on one thread where this turned ugly. I struggle with this whenever I am out wiht my boys alone.

Mkrop
06-28-2007, 10:37 AM
Guys, I think you are forgetting one important fact. "Just because you can give birth doesn't make you a mother" Nowadays I'm sorry to say there are a whole lot of men and women I wouldn't leave a dog with let alone allow them near a child.

Here in Philly, there is a big controversy over a poor single mom who worked her fingers to the bone to insure her kids became successes as adults after dad left them high and dry. Unfortunately one son died on 9/11 and after 25 years of never seeing or speaking with the kid dad is trying to claim a 2 million dollar award. The sob's lawyer had the nerve to say "he doesn't have to prove he was a good dad, just the dad" Oooh I could choke him

I read that story too, what a creep!

schmoopypoo
06-28-2007, 10:56 AM
Can someone please post a link to this story? I still have no clue where it is.
http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/article_001605.htm

I'm sorry, that is just WRONG :sad2:

AlyssinWonderland
06-28-2007, 11:05 AM
The world is a scary place. If you want to keep your children with you in the restroom GOOD FOR YOU!!! I don't have any children, but can understand the embarassment for a 9 year old boy in the ladies restroom. But IMHO he's get over embarassment alot quicker then possible abuse. He'll understand when he's older. I'm surpised people would get angry with you about it. I'd ignore them, they can do what they want with their own children, I think you are being a good parent.

As for the poor 3 year old. I can't believe they would forget their own child. How irresponsible. :confused:

Racemom17
06-28-2007, 11:13 AM
The world is a scary place. If you want to keep your children with you in the restroom GOOD FOR YOU!!! I don't have any children, but can understand the embarassment for a 9 year old boy in the ladies restroom. But IMHO he's get over embarassment alot quicker then possible abuse. He'll understand when he's older. I'm surpised people would get angry with you about it. I'd ignore them, they can do what they want with their own children, I think you are being a good parent.

As for the poor 3 year old. I can't believe they would forget their own child. How irresponsible. :confused:


My oldest son is 11 and very small for his age...could pass for 8. At large places like that he still accompanies me to the bathroom...too much can go on in the bathrooms and he often is finished before me and the other 2 younger kids and doesn't need to stand outside by himself...He was upset the other day because I don't trust him...tried to explain to him it is not him I don't trust.:sad2:

TravelinGal
06-28-2007, 12:05 PM
As far as the woman who told one of the posters that her son was too old. Just what is it that is done in a womans bathroom that a young boy can't see? Everything I do, I do in the privacy of the stalls.

EXACTLY! Not like they're going to see something they shouldn't - ohhh...she's fixing her hair! Oh no! She's washing her hands! :sad2: Women are not exposed in public bathrooms.

I'd be FAR more worried about a dad taking a 9 yr old girl into the men's room. The urinals are usually not enclosed so she COULD be exposed to - well... you know... :rolleyes1 (Thank heavens "Family Bathrooms" are becoming easier to find!)

I'm very protective of my DS (2 1/2 yrs old) and I'm sure I always will be. BUT I also know I need to let him have some freedom (as he gets older) to learn how to deal with life. We are trying to teach him how to make decisions now - and learning about consequences as well. (nothing that would harm him, of course) I know some people would say I'm too strict. But I want my child to understand that rules DO mean something and that if you don't follow them there will be consequences. If that means, as a mother, I have to "S-mother" him sometimes, then you bet. Not only do we teach responsibility by rules/discipline but also by our actions as parents.

abcboys
06-28-2007, 12:32 PM
I let my 8 year old go in the men's bathroom alone. Even at the mall where there is lots of people coming and going, I've never felt scared. Of course I've never stopped at the ghetto in st. louis or chicago. If its somewhere scary of course we wouldn't stop. He also sleeps in his own room even though there are reports of a few being kidnapped at night and he goes to school where there "could" be a shooting. I'm just not a big worrier about stuff like that.

Leaving a 3 year old alone in a hot stroller is pure abuse.

lawlesslovewdw
06-28-2007, 01:41 PM
I let my 8 year old go in the men's bathroom alone. Even at the mall where there is lots of people coming and going, I've never felt scared. Of course I've never stopped at the ghetto in st. louis or chicago. If its somewhere scary of course we wouldn't stop. He also sleeps in his own room even though there are reports of a few being kidnapped at night and he goes to school where there "could" be a shooting. I'm just not a big worrier about stuff like that.

Leaving a 3 year old alone in a hot stroller is pure abuse.

:thumbsup2

kimis
06-28-2007, 02:25 PM
I agree. Don't parents or care givers realize that the perverts that pray on children hang out where children do???? I love Disney. I am a huge disney addict but even at disney I can't imagine leaving a child unattended!!!!! My heart goes out to the children that have been left for even a few minutes---just imagine how scared they must be!!!! As adults it is time to put children first on the time.

yngsj
06-28-2007, 02:43 PM
When we are the parents we get to decide what's best for OUR kids. No one should judge us on our choices to let our kids go to the BR alone or not. I have a DS10 and in the last 2 years I have let him go in alone but I stand right at the door and watch who goes in and out and I wouldn't have a problem going in if something didn't seam right. I have a friend that doesn't let her son go to the BR alone but lets him play in the front yard by himself. I feel the latter is much more dangerous

Ladybison
06-28-2007, 02:47 PM
I let my 8 year old go in the men's bathroom alone. Even at the mall where there is lots of people coming and going, I've never felt scared. Of course I've never stopped at the ghetto in st. louis or chicago. If its somewhere scary of course we wouldn't stop. He also sleeps in his own room even though there are reports of a few being kidnapped at night and he goes to school where there "could" be a shooting. I'm just not a big worrier about stuff like that.

Leaving a 3 year old alone in a hot stroller is pure abuse.

Things don't only happen in ghetto bathrooms. Go research some of the child molestation cases that happened that got a lot of media attention. It didn't happen in the ghetto. Please don't limit yourself to thinking that because a place looks "safe" or isn't the ghetto- it is safe. After all look at how many boys were molested in churches.

Ladybison
06-28-2007, 02:49 PM
I agree. Don't parents or care givers realize that the perverts that pray on children hang out where children do???? I love Disney. I am a huge disney addict but even at disney I can't imagine leaving a child unattended!!!!! My heart goes out to the children that have been left for even a few minutes---just imagine how scared they must be!!!! As adults it is time to put children first on the time.

Exactly!!! Like the man who tried to get the little girl to go to another area with him but her brother stopped him and told their dad. Then they watched as he got another little girl. People have to realize and I can say this after working with sexual offenders, they watch routines and that's how they prey upon kids.

crossfamily
06-28-2007, 03:09 PM
I am so grateful for family bathrooms.. Just this last year and I started letting my ds10 go to the BR alone. I still stand outside the door and wait but hey thats my choice. That is truely sad about the 3yo. You wonder what goes thought the minds of people now a days...:sad1:

abcboys
06-28-2007, 03:43 PM
Yes, I understand that it could happen anywhere (the bathroom incident). I still won't worry about it or make my 8 year old go in with me. Yes, I know there was a 9 year old killed in a bathroom once and if I look up other stories I find molestation on a 12 and 13 year old boy. I will not take a teenager boy in the women's bathroom because of a freak occurence. If I wait till my son could hold his own with a grown man that grabbed him I would be waiting till he was at least 16. I also found a story of a grown woman killed in a restroom. Should I refuse to use the ladies restroom alone??

I understand everyone has their own parenting style and that's fine. But those of you that don't let your son go in the bathroom alone at the age of 9 or 10, do you let them go to school? Haven't you heard about all of the school shootings?

If you want to give your growing boy some freedom, but still be protective let them use the men's room and stand right by the door. If they need you they can yell for you or you will be able to hear them if there is trouble.

kjetjl
06-28-2007, 04:16 PM
I read an article about the parents leaving the little girl....it said that the father came out of the ride soon after the parents realized that one of them did not have the little girl but the stroller had been moved. ( It is not unheard of for something like that to happen. Once DH dropped me and older kids off at the movie theater and was supposed to park and bring the baby in the car seat in with him. He got into the theater and realized I did not have the baby. He ran outside and got him. The whole situation lasted about 4 minutes.)
What I don't understand is that the article went on to say that it took 50 minutes for the parents to then meet up with authorities who had their daughter. Now that is where I think they were up to no good. I would be running around and notifying a CM IMMEDIATELY if we discovered we didn't have our 3 year old. Not 50 minutes later!

Concerning a 9 year old/10 year old in the opposite sex bathroom. Personally, my son uses the men's bathroom but for those who choose to keep their children with them- I say "good for you." Too many parents don't rely on their own instincts to raise their own kids and give in to what others say is best for them!

workinmomof2
06-28-2007, 10:29 PM
I read all of this and all that comes to mind is WOW.

I am raising my 2 sons to be independent, however, that is not going to stop me from my duty to protect them. Unfortunately, there is alot of ugly in the world these days and I think it is irresponsible of us as parents to stick our heads in the sand and not think it won't happen to us. It is great to give your child freedom, but you HAVE to protect them. If they are old enough to understand than it is time to explain about the ugly world, if not, than you need to do what your maternal instincts tell you. I live 60 miles south of Chicago. Ugly just doesn't happen there. A boy was molested and killed while fishing in the river.

Mkrop
06-29-2007, 06:46 AM
I juts read an article this morning about some creep on the beach in Ocean City NJ who was helpinga 12 yr old girl untangle her kite and he grabbed her toes and starting sucking them. She was too scared to scream but then another grownup started walking towards them on the beach and he quickly jogged off. Now here was this 12 yr old gril whom I am sure her parents and even her school proabably taught her to scream if someone touches you inappropriately but she said she was in complete shock and was then scared so she didnt scream in time. So I dont know if even now when I send DS9 into the bathroom alone (and I judge this on a case by case scenario but he has been going more often alone) if someone threatens him not to scream or if he is going to be to too scared to scream even if I am right outside.

As for the psoter who mentioned the schools, I know I feel more comfortable now sending my child to school now that they have lockdown drills and people are buzzed in at the front door and signed in.

It is a shame that kids do have to grow up with these dangers out there and no I dont think they are around every corner but I will do what is in my control to protect my kids.

goofyboyzmom
06-29-2007, 06:59 AM
With how busy the bathrooms are in Disney I don't worry about this so much as the garden variety wierdo, but for those who are sending their young kids into the bathroom by themselves, here in Michigan at a campground a 9 year old boy went into the bathroom by himself while his aunt stood OUTSIDE THE DOOR waiting for him. He never came out, so she finally went in. He was laying in there dead from having his throat slashed by a sicko who was hiding in the bathroom. This is a true story and you can find it in the archives of the Detroit News/Free Press. I have 3 boys and this totally changed my actions, because I would sometimes just stand outside the door waiting for them.

Just be careful.

Mkrop
06-29-2007, 07:11 AM
I have been trying to avoid the whole bathroom debate bc I felt beat to shreds on the last thread, anyway for me it is a hard decision bc he is at the age where he wants the independence, and is not all that happy about going into the ladies room, but his saftey needs to come first, he is not going to be able to fight off a grown man. He does know when I make the call for him to come in with me it is bc I dont feel the situation is safe and he doest argue but that is certainly not his choice to be in the ladies room. SO ebing mom to boys I feel everytime we go somewhere this is a struggle,

I feel bad for the men out there who have to take their daughters places solo. There was juts a thread about whether a dad should come into a dressing room to help his daughter or not.

Unregistered
06-29-2007, 08:44 AM
I'm lucky enough to have dh take ds6 into the restroom at WDW. We recently went to a local bowling alley and he needed to use the restroom and the mens was the closest. I asked if anybody was in the bathroom, no answer. Then I walk in, nobody. Then I let my son and one of his friends go in. I blocked the door for the few minutes it took.

My aunt would let her son when he got a bit older used the restroom, but he had to sing/recite ABC's. If he stopped singing she would be walking in.

My ds doesn't complain...yet. Pervs come from all walks of life.

Unregistered
07-03-2007, 05:22 PM
That guy came up to me and my step sister and said he liked her nails, and then a few days later the news reporters came up to us and interview us.

Mkrop
07-03-2007, 06:28 PM
That guy came up to me and my step sister and said he liked her nails, and then a few days later the news reporters came up to us and interview us.

I read that in that article from ON, NJ as well. Very scary, be very careful girls!