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megnsamsgracie
05-15-2007, 11:41 PM
My neighbor found out we are taking the kids to Disney (saw the DVD in my mailbox she said... our mailbox isnt the normal type and this could have been true) and said she is taking her kids when she gets her "settlement check" because she and her DH just divorced and she wants to do something special for the kids. She said she is doing 1 standard room at AKL. That fits 4. She has her, DS 18, DS 16, DD 10 and DD 6. I said I thought the hotel gives bands or makes you show keys etc to ride the busses etc? Or use the pool? I told her she might want to check because otherwise she gets down there and is stuck getting a 2nd room (if available) or a suite of some sort. Any words of wisdom to give her before she gets herself in a jam. Money is very tight thats probably why she is trying to do one room.

Cool-Beans
05-15-2007, 11:54 PM
Oh, jeepers. This is one of those questions that brings a fight on. :)

No, you aren't supposed to go over the # allowed. Yes, each person has to show a room key to get in for the Extra Magic Hours or get a wristband. And everyone has to have their own.

No, you don't need a room key for the pool. I've heard they check at the Beach Club sometimes, but I swim in the Quiet Pools there and have never been asked.

No, you don't need a room key for the busses.

9 times out of 10, two rooms in the values are cheaper than one room in a Deluxe.

Plenty of folks will be along shortly to say how much better they are than your friend, how she's a cheater, etc., etc. Don't take it to heart. :)

megnsamsgracie
05-15-2007, 11:59 PM
I could care less.. I just want her to know what she is in for if she tries to pull it off because I know she doesnt have the $ for 2 rooms at AKL (I suggested she try POP and use an AAA discount). I knew they would check SOMETHING somewhere where she would get stuck. I will see her at the bus stop tomorrow and let her know its not such a wise idea.

minnie61650
05-16-2007, 02:43 AM
All Star Music has the Family Suites that sleep up 6 and costs less than a standard room at AKL.

Perhaps she does not know about that option.

The family Suites would her more room . She could have her own seperate bedroom area with a Queen bed and there is room in the living area for 4 to sleep.
Also everone would listed on the ressies and each person will have a key.

They can not use ME(without all the names listed on the ressie) & the cannot use the DDP, or EMH without their own rooms keys.

Here is the layout:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a175/minnie61650/ASMusic_FamSuite_layout.jpg


Here is some more info about the Family Suites:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1392879


I think it really nice you want to help your neighbor.

I hope it all works out for them and that they have a wounderful time at Disney!:wizard:

epcotfan
05-16-2007, 04:17 AM
I've stayed in standard room at AKL with only one other person, and trust me, it would be extremely crowded with 5 people in one room. I second Minnie on getting an ASMu suite. Two tvs, two bathrooms and a mini kitchenette = space and sanity. Also the key situation will be a sticky one if they want to do extra magic hours.

bradk
05-16-2007, 05:19 AM
i couldn't even imagine 4 people in one room to be honest.

what could happen? disney can find out and forcibly remove them from property at a minimum. this is something hotels routinely find out about and take very seriously and act upon. i've even heard of cases where disney got involved because they suspected something when in reality a guest had 2 rooms next to each other.

she might be able to get away with it, she might not. but good luck if she doesn't.

Andy B
05-16-2007, 05:33 AM
If they were booking tickets with the room the overoccupance would be picked up on surely

SnowWitch
05-16-2007, 06:41 AM
First let me state before throwing my hat into this topic, that our group sticks to the number per room set by Disney. We are now a family of 6 and we now stay in 2 bedroom villas at the BW or BC or 2 rooms at most other deluxes. With that said I have been going to Disney and staying on property for since the 70's and not once have I ever been asked for my room key card for early entry or magic hours. Not once. We have been vacationing on property with our kids since 1993, not once. As far as getting carded at pools, yes that happens, especially at the BC, AKL, and once in a blue moon at the Poly.

Everyone has their own Disney pet peeve, I have an issue with pool hoppers.

Do they not have deluxe rooms that fit 5 at the AKL? Maybe she put everyone on the ressie. We all know Disney CM's don't always do things by the book.

I'm happy she will be taking her kids on this trip and I would be SHOCKED if she were dragged out by the Disney police for having 5 in a room meant for 4. I would be SHOCKED if they are asked for a room key for each member of their party for EE and then denied access if each person can't produce a room key.

Andy B
05-16-2007, 07:02 AM
Occupation limits are not just to justify selling more rooms but are also a Health and Safety matter.

bradk
05-16-2007, 07:06 AM
With that said I have been going to Disney and staying on property for since the 70's and not once have I ever been asked for my room key card for early entry or magic hours.

...

I would be SHOCKED if they are asked for a room key for each member of their party for EE and then denied access if each person can't produce a room key.

that's okay, i would have been SHOCKED if they asked for a resort ID to access EMH in the 70s too.

AJKMOM
05-16-2007, 07:09 AM
Seems like if they are on a tight budget, there are other options rather than sneaking an extra person into AKL. Some rooms at AKL hold 5, and they may have to upgrade, but that's more cash.

laura001
05-16-2007, 07:18 AM
not once have I ever been asked for my room key card for early entry or magic hours. Not once.

Just wanted to say that DH and I were at WDW a couple of weeks ago and took part in Extra Magic Hours 3 times, all 3 times we were asked to show our room cards, and they used a scanner on them. Maybe this is something they are checking more now.

disneygirl29
05-16-2007, 07:23 AM
I agree with SnowWitch! We are yearly visitors of Disney and have a large group-- we do have 2 rooms... with 10 people... we stay in rooms that hold 5 per room, but sometimes 6 are in 1 and 4 int he other-- just how it works. I would be surprised if she got "caught" and as I have been told (by CM's etc)-- Disney will never cause a "scene"- they always go with the customer's benefit-- not saying they will allow it and give her a pat on the back, but they may offer to change resorts or rooms and will work with her-- IF she is caught. Do I think it is the right thing? :confused3 Nope-- if she wants deluxe why not stay at one that can hold 5 in a room:teacher: -- many can, just not the standard room at AKL. I would suggest that first. Where she will have a problem is if she does the DDP (all people in the room must have same tickets, etc), uses the ME (all the people on the reservation will have a ticket), etc... it will get tricky to not have the 5th person on the reservation and just buy a ticket at the gate for:confused: ! Of course if she is driving down or renting a car it will not be as difficult-- in fact I would guess she wouldn't get caught.

Just my two cents... no it is not right, there is a reason for the room cap guidelines, but people do it and she might be one of them...:laundy:

gigi1313
05-16-2007, 07:24 AM
i would strongly suggest that your friend try a room at POR that holds five (request the trundle bed) or go w/two value rooms or the family suite (which costs more than two value rooms, fwiw)...

although, she may have been honest and they may say it's okay... we were at CBR for 10 days a few years ago and my college-aged niece who went to school in Florida wanted to join us for a long weekend (thurs night thru sunday) and we were honest w/the cms and they brought us a rollaway bed... that put five of us in a CBR room... w/out a problem... so exceptions can be made...

NeedaVacation03
05-16-2007, 07:39 AM
I am one who does not care either way if she breaks the rules. My only thought is that in order to make sure and use all the benefits of Disney she would be better getting a reservation with everyone on it. We are a family of 6 and usually rent DVC points for our trips to get more space for our money. But other times we get two rooms at a value or moderate. We were able to stay a POR last summer, but 5 plus 1infant was a lot in that space.
We would love to stay deluxe,but at this point can only do what our budget allows.
I understand that your friend wants to give her kids a great trip. I am sure that they deserve it after the divorce stuff, but I think they would be happy just to stay at Disney. Let her know that they can visit AKL and enjoy the view and the food. It wont be the same as staying there, but my kids enjoy for now. I think you are a good friend for trying to help her.

bgirl29
05-16-2007, 08:05 AM
Over spring break this year my friend did the same thing. When she told me that she was staying at the All Stars I asked her if they had 2 rooms or a family suite. It was her and hubby and 4 kids. She said she would call and make sure what they had when I explained that all 6 would not be allowed in one regular room. Well of course she did not call. But when they went to check in and Disney saw it was 6 for a room they did make them buy an additional room, but they were offered a discount when my friend explained that she had told them the ages of all children when making the reservation.

Also our room keys were checked each time we did a evening magic hours on our trip last October.

Lynne M
05-16-2007, 08:26 AM
I understand and sympathize with the situation, she's probably looking at the AKL as an extra-special treat for the kids after the stress of the divorce.

That said, I think she's adding stress (and complications) to the trip by sneaking in an extra guest.

To summarize what others have said:

1) They can't use DME.

2) Don't know if she wants to use the DDP, but....the extra kid won't be able to use it.

3) No EMH.

4) And most importantly, there's only sleeping space for 4. One of the kids is going to be on the floor. Is she going to bring an air bed with her?

I think a family suite at ASM is a better idea. It'd probably be cheaper, everyone gets a bed, and no worries about EMH, etc.

Nancyg56
05-16-2007, 08:33 AM
I don't know what the price difference is but she AKL had deluxe rooms that could accommodate 5. It may be worthwhile to call and get a quote.

minnie61650
05-16-2007, 08:43 AM
i would strongly suggest that your friend try a room at POR that holds five (request the trundle bed) or go w/two value rooms or the family suite (which costs more than two value rooms, fwiw)...
...

Just an FYI


For comparison, the price of a Family Suite is $9-11 more then 2 Standard Rooms, or $13-15 less the 2 Preferred Rooms, depending on season.

The Family Suites come with a fridge, microwave and coffeepot.
If you rent a fridge at a value it costs $10 a night.

minnie61650
05-16-2007, 08:57 AM
I don't know what the price difference is but she AKL had deluxe rooms that could accommodate 5. It may be worthwhile to call and get a quote.

During Value season the price for a standard view AKL room (least expensive that will sleep 4 is $215 a night.
(A family Suite is $179 during the same time period)

A deluxe Savanna room with bunks (least expensive room that sleeps 5 )duing value season is $375.

Here is link that tells room types, number of persons allowed in a room, seasons and the rates for 2007.


http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/disney-rates-2007.htm#VALUE

madalex
05-16-2007, 08:57 AM
Has she already made her reservation? Because once she does, she will be asked for all the names and ages of the people in her party. Once she gets to that fifth person, they are going to tell her that the AKL standard room isn't going to work for her. If she doesn't tell them about the fifth person, then all the things others have written about lack of access to EMH, DDP, etc. will come into play.

SnowWitch
05-16-2007, 09:01 AM
Oh forget the comment, its just not worth it.

disneygirl29
05-16-2007, 09:37 AM
Has she already made her reservation? Because once she does, she will be asked for all the names and ages of the people in her party. Once she gets to that fifth person, they are going to tell her that the AKL standard room isn't going to work for her. If she doesn't tell them about the fifth person, then all the things others have written about lack of access to EMH, DDP, etc. will come into play.
EMH won't be an issue, if she books her room, and buys her tickets seperately.. b/c she would jsut show a room key at the parks-- and they will not look at all-- a family would go in together! But it will not work if she does the DDP etc... my suggestion is a different place-- is she a teacher or nurse-- Swan/Dolphin has great rates ($169) and they do hold 5 in a room- still deluxe-- no DDP or ME included, but it is a awesome location!

estherhead
05-16-2007, 10:10 AM
My suggestion is that she herself joins the DIS!!! To take that many kids with that difference in age she'll need as much help as possible to have a magical time. Really, really, really she should sign up herself & get the older two kids addicted too. Then everyone will be on the same page.

megnsamsgracie
05-16-2007, 10:21 AM
I gave her the option of going with 2 rooms at a value or mod using AAA discount. We got a rate of $75 per night at a value or $116 a night at a mod with AAA. AKL was $182 a night. I mentioned POFQ with the trundle bed or using a family suite. I gave her this website to come and get help with her trip. Not sure she will sign up or not. She has never been to Disney before so doesnt know what to expect... I assume she thinks booking the room is the easy part. I will mention the ME and EMH etc and the DDP. And offer her suggestions on cheaper alternatives. As a family of 6 I know all too well the trouble booking with more than 4! We ended up having to go with 2 rooms at CSR because the deluxe at WL was just too darn expensive!

Nancyg56
05-16-2007, 11:14 AM
During Value season the price for a standard view AKL room (least expensive that will sleep 4 is $215 a night.
(A family Suite is $179 during the same time period)

A deluxe Savanna room with bunks (least expensive room that sleeps 5 )duing value season is $375.

Here is link that tells room types, number of persons allowed in a room, seasons and the rates for 2007.


http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/disney-rates-2007.htm#VALUE

Thanks for the link. I did not realize that there was such a price difference. She may not want to upgrade in that case. More sense to get two lower priced rooms and have two bathrooms.

kileybeth
05-16-2007, 11:44 AM
BIG SIGH Can't you just hear it?

Poor woman, I'm sure it has been a trying time for her and the kids. If she's never been how about just lending her your Passporter or UG to look at and getting her on the DIS?

Disney is just so different than anyplace else, I'm sure she hasn't gotten the whole picture yet. You are bring a great friend and I'm sure she appreciates it.

My DH and I travel with 4 kids all the time and have been for many, many years (yup, we have six kids but occasionally one grows up, stays behind, or we add a new one!) and room size, occupancy levels, and sleeping arrangements are often the biggest headache of our trips (not just Disney).

Ask her in for a cup of joe or tea and show her pics from allears.net or just pop over here. It realy doesn't take long to figure it out. Disney is different b/c so much is linked to your reservation.

And airmattesses are a life saver, they can be packed easily, help the boy/girl sharing a bed thing and can be put away during the day time in a snap.

No, I am not recommending breaking any rules. I just wanted to say that coming from a large family and now having one of my own, being together for a week of family time is not such a big issue with us. We share well, we know how it works and just have it down to a science I think so it's not about room so much as legally getting that room.

Let us know how it works out. I'd be happy to chat with her. Just PM me.

When is she going? I forget? Maybe if she gets free dining that makes more money for room look like that much less to pay! It sure did for us!

eliza61
05-16-2007, 12:05 PM
These questions are always hard to answer because I never want to encourage folks to break the rules but then I'm can't be self righteous because I've broken a few rules a time or two. I usually give the standard answer.
"No problem just don't get mad if Disney decides to enforce the rules or you get caught".

CoPirate
05-16-2007, 12:13 PM
Just food for thought:

Why does it matter? Who cares how many people you sneak in?

Its fire code. Thats it. Not only are you supposed to have X amount of people per square foot, but lets say worst case scenerio your building catches on fire and burns to the ground. Disney has a list of all the guests staying in that building, only you brought in 3 more than you said you did. You and 2 of your kids get out safely. the other 3 you cant find. As far as Disney is concerned, they dont exist, because they werent listed on the reservation.

Now that ive said that!

ASMU Family Suites is the way to go!

minnie61650
05-16-2007, 12:31 PM
Just food for thought:

Why does it matter? Who cares how many people you sneak in?

Its fire code. Thats it.............

There are real fire codes.

There was a interesting thread discussing Disney occupancy level and fire codes a few months ago.

Here is the reply one of the Dis'ner got back from Disney-- Post #60 of this thread

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1287974&page=4

Well guys...I wrote to Disney and inquired about the reasons why a roll-a-way or trundle could not be put in other rooms besides POR -AB. This was there response:

"Although we appreciate your interest, please know Florida safety and
fire codes restrict additional bedding due to the reduction in fire
access and egress."

So, it's technically the bedding that restricts this - not the extra person, or the size of the room. This would explain why they are allowing a 5th person to be booked in a one bedroom through DVC but not supplying the bedding.

I have to say I find this interesting and not what I expected to hear!

Any thoughts?

That thread is interesting to say the least.

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Some guests think occupancy limits are solely based on room size.
The room size is not as an important issue as are the width of doorways, widths of hallways, number of stair wells, location of stairways, number of fire walls, number of stories in a building and the total number of persons in a building when determining the fire code in regard to fire access and egress.


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Since 9/11 a lot of the fire codes are stricter especially in regards of the disabled and fire access and egress.


See this website about Resources on Emergency Evacuation and Disaster Preparedness for more info:



http://www.access-board.gov/evac.htm

There are real reasons why hotels/motels have room occupancy limits.

Just a little FYI

Have fun at Disney!:wizard:

2forMe
05-16-2007, 01:29 PM
These questions are always hard to answer because I never want to encourage folks to break the rules but then I'm can't be self righteous because I've broken a few rules a time or two. I usually give the standard answer.
"No problem just don't get mad if Disney decides to enforce the rules or you get caught".
:thumbsup2

mom2my3kids
05-16-2007, 01:52 PM
To be honest, I don't care if that allows her to take her kids then fine. But somewhere she is going to have to purchase tickets for the extra child, I am sure the CM's can tell the child is not under 3..:rolleyes1

megnsamsgracie
05-16-2007, 01:54 PM
I dont think she has a set time yet to go.. she said "when the settlement check arrives" Not sure about that. I got a rate of $65/nt with my AAA discount so I told her 2 rooms there is cheaper than 1 at AKL anyway!

SharonLowe
05-16-2007, 05:41 PM
AKL - there are very few deluxe rooms left due to DVC. And, there is no way I would ever want to share a room, even if it was deluxe with the 4 "kids" she has - those older "kids" are adults - just where is everyone going to sleep, change clothes, and use the bathroom?? While AKL might be a treat, cramming all those people into that space would not be a treat. If she really wants a treat, try a DVC unit (OKW units are huge and really nice) or a FW cabin. Everyone will be happier. I could not image sharing a room with my grown son and I can't imagine he would want to do it either.

Schmeck
05-16-2007, 09:02 PM
EMH won't be an issue, if she books her room, and buys her tickets seperately.. b/c she would jsut show a room key at the parks-- and they will not look at all-- a family would go in together!

We've had to produce room keys for all of us for every evening EMH we've attended the past two trips. So, they do "look at all". We even had to produce room keys for each of us for an EMH morning at MK.

belle2594
05-16-2007, 09:19 PM
I think another poster said to lend her your passporter. If you do not have one and depending on how close of a friend you are you may want to purchase her one. They have the room layouts in them so she is able to see for herself. Then, there is not any pressure on your part. I know the first time I took my girls to Disney I wanted it to be spectacular. I never was able to do anything like that when I was a kid so I could not picture what it was really like. Maybe that is the way it is with her. We got a room at the ASMO, but I was sure they were going to be disappointed that we could not afford more. The girls decided they wanted more days instead of a nicer resort. Even with all of my planning that first trip (over a years worth :surfweb: ) I was not prepared for what Disney really was like. The book is very informative. If I can get mine back: sad2: I will even send it to you. It is burned into my brain anyway.:rotfl2:


POR is a very nice resort she will enjoy it. :flower3:

JeanfromBNA
05-16-2007, 11:27 PM
She'll have to show her AAA card to get the AAA discount. Somebody else mentioned the cabins at Fort Wilderness. Sounds like a good adventure and a better idea :goodvibes .

scrapbookworm
05-17-2007, 09:09 AM
She needs to get 2 rooms or a suite. Fire codes, limited space, sharing one bathroom, etc. It would be one thing if she had 2 adults and 3 *small* kids, but she has 2 adults, 1 almost adult, 1 tween, and 1 small child. The 2 teen sons would have to sleep in one bed, she would have to sleep with one of her DDs, and the other DD (probably the 6yo) would have to sleep on the floor. That will be too tight a fit, and they will be very unhappy. If there isn't enough space to spread out. KWIM?