queue jumpers and pushy people ...

[**TINKS**]

not sure if anyone experiance this while staying but the fact that some people have the inabillity to queue, we had a horrendous time trying to get on the shuttle bus in fact it was an utter nightmare with a very small 1 yr old and a 4 yr old let alone us adults lol or while queueing for rides we would find people pushing in etc.

lol people must not be able to take in the others can and do get there before them,

did anyone else have this problem and if so how the hell do you deal with it without loosing your cool or your head ... :confused:

[bavaria]

the only time I really had this was on the busses, which felt like the Tokyo subway. And actually, it was worse trying to get off with my suitcase. and I had read here that it was 'other' nationalities which were the worst, but in my case it was a British family which pushed me back hardest and wouldn't let me off the bus, showing that it is not restricted to certain nationalities :(

in the attractions, I only had this at Pirates and it was I suspect more due to enthusiasm and the wide queue areas. I put my arm out once, but otherwise didn't really let it bother me.

During peak periods it may be more of an issue than I experienced, though.

I have a MUCH worse time on my Lufthansa business class flights with businessmen routinely pushing and shoving me into the turnstyles to be first to board :rolleyes1

[Cyrano]

We try not to get the shuttle straight after the park shuts where it tends to be busiest.
Sometimes best to have a final look round the shops than fighting at the bus stop.
As bavaria says no one nationality has the monopoly :confused3

[jillrobinson]

The last twice we have stayed at hotels within easy walking distance - I hate the shuttle buses at night and the fiasco trying to get on.
This recent visit is the only time though I've had problems in the park itself, at Casey's Corner, we were waiting for another English family to vacate their table, they had 3 young children to dress up it was bitterly cold and sleeting, we'd arranged to have their table but I told them not to rush, with 2 of the kids done, they moved off slightly and a family of Spanish, I think, tried to jump into the vacated seats, dad was still sat at the table and was annoyed as I was - suffice to say they did move.

Saturday night whilst waiting for the celebrations Liam was one of a number of children crying due to the crowds, in our case a group of teenagers who decided to push forward and start larking about, jumping on each others backs etc, one girl almost landed on top of Liam, and I did see red as did the others around me in the crowd, not just British I'd hasten to add and the group were ousted back away. I've a more to say about Sat. night but I'll put in my trippie, but DLRP are extremely lucky that and as far as I am aware no incidents or accidents occured at that time. :sad2:

[stonfiesta]

queues at DLP do tend to be an irritating situation.....the worst ones are the queues where you can fit a few people across but....like when me and the missus queue, we stand next to each other and theres always people that edge round on the sly or even just completely bundle there way through. I do find that the spanish are the worse for doing this. :mad:

[NIK]

The main problem I have found is when waiting for parades. You stake out a spot really early then find that some folks decide they can barge in front of you, block your view, knock you over without even an apology. That really gets on my nerves.

[quirkygirl]

Are you allowed to stake out a spot by sitting on the kerb?????

[Hollytigs]

I have definately experienced queue jumping at DLP, but I can't remember exactly when or where (I think I try and forget those bits of the trip!). I try really hard to ignore it, and just let them go past if they really, really want to, it's only an extra few seconds for me! However, this time we go I am taking my 4 year old and DH (who has a quick temper for this sort of thing) so it might be a bit more stressful than usual. Having said that, I won't be going on any of the big rides this time, so maybe the queues won't be such an issue!
I have also noticed that a lot of people seem to think the situation is worse in DLP than in the USA, but if you look at some of the USA threads, they have exactly the same problem (except the smoking - yuck!).

I say ignore them and don't let them spoil your time there!

[tennisfan]

Yes you can stake out your spot for the parade by sitting on the kerb, we always do. Obviously if a little child came along I would swap places. We are taking my 20 month old niece next week for the 1st time so we can stake out with her pushchair.

The only major experience of queue jumping was on the armageddon ride in the studios, 3 guys jumped over the barrier at the end so my cousin and I complained to a CM who told them to leave, they weren't listening until she picked up the phone to call security they soon left then:goodvibes

[mumof30_3]

I get so mad at queue jumpers of all nationalities. This time at DLP, I refused to let people queue jump when the kids were waiting for autographs. I would put my hand across and tell them sternly "NO, wait". My kids do not push their way in and were sometimes not getting autographs because of that. I could tell the parents were teling their kids to push(couldn't understand them as they were foreign), but I knew from what the kids were doing, what they were saying.
The buses at Santa Fe were a nightmare, a free for all shove. DP and BIL would fold the prams down and hold them at either end of the open door, preventing ayone from getting on until we were all on (2 mums, 4 kids and a baby).
In the end you have to be like the rest of people to get on/off the shuttle buses and get autographs. As for jumping queues at any of the rides, that is a big NO NO and I would not let anyone pass.

Maureen

p.s. I am a nice person really, just turn into a mad woman at DLP. :rolleyes1

[isma]

Every queue jumping I experienced at DLP were always groups of teenagers without someone in charge that behaved really rude or smoked in queue.. we had one bad experience while waiting for Armageddon but there were some people who told the teens to stop their behaviour, which embarrased them and they stopped.:thumbsup2 but I guess groups with teens can get out of control everywhere, not only in DLP:confused3

And we will never use the busses again, we walk back to the hotel, busses are always too crowded and people get pushy. I think the busses are good for families with kids who are too tired to walk at the end of the day, so I rather leave the busses for them.

[tttessa]

To be honest (and to risk being shot down in flames), I haven't found pushing in or queue jumping to be any different to back in the UK....
We go to Drayton Manor park a lot (Tesco vouchers!) and to Alton towers/other theme parks - it is mainly groups of teenage kids who push in there too.

From my experience of the rest of France, they do not have the "queue for everything" mentality that we brits have, and a free for all to get on buses and trains seems commonplace - try the Paris metro at rush hour!!!!:scared: Mind you, there's not a lot of polite "after you " on the tube at rush hour either....;)

[Cyrano]

To be honest (and to risk being shot down in flames), I haven't found pushing in or queue jumping to be any different to back in the UK....

As long as everyone stays on topic and the discussion does not become personal then I'm sure no one will be shot down in flames :goodvibes

[tttessa]

Aahhhh , thanks Reid :hug: - everyone is sooooo nice on this board!!! :goodvibes

[tennisfan]

To be honest (and to risk being shot down in flames), I haven't found pushing in or queue jumping to be any different to back in the UK....
We go to Drayton Manor park a lot (Tesco vouchers!) and to Alton towers/other theme parks - it is mainly groups of teenage kids who push in there too.

From my experience of the rest of France, they do not have the "queue for everything" mentality that we brits have, and a free for all to get on buses and trains seems commonplace - try the Paris metro at rush hour!!!!:scared: Mind you, there's not a lot of polite "after you " on the tube at rush hour either....;)

I hear what you are saying, I have never really experienced (only a couple of times). I'm not saying it doesn't go on because I know from some people it does. I have witnessed it with school kids at Chessington so we told the teacher, who apologised and asked us to write to the school because he was fed up with them too:rotfl: I just try not to let it get to me.

[wideeyes]

never really been a problem for us, when we watched the parades on our last trip, people who were stood in front of us offered to let our DD to stand in front of them with their own kids so she could get a better view.

The only instance of pushing in a saw was when some people climbed over the fence to get into the Fast Pass queue for Peter Pan a bit further down from where the Cast Member was collecting the Fast Passes. POTC is another I have seen people push in (maybe 1 or 2) however it makes very little difference to the time people queue.

The only time my DD has been hurt from people pushing was in the UK at the trafford centre.

[thehails]

We found it a real problem when the children wanted autographs in the parks, there didn't seem to be any order at all, Woody was the worst. It does make me mad because we teach our kids not to push in front of other and to wait their turn, only to find children and adults pushing them out of the way. Our solution was to book a lunch at the Lucky Nugget so they got their autographs in a nice relaxed atmosphere, thats worked really well each time we've been. The meet & greet at the hotels is also a good way for the children to see Micky mouse & pals because the queue there is well organised.

Never had problems with people pushing in on rides. Bus can be a bit of a nightmare, although it was easier this last time because we didn't have a child in a pushchair to try and get on and off the bus, like many of the other posters above we found it easier to walk back and forth to the hotel.

[alanda]

We found this a problem as well - especially when children are queuing up for autographs - or at least the British children queue, no-one else seems to. This is in sharp contrast to the USA.

As a result we will not go back to DLP.

I have spoken to a colleague at work who went recently, and she said the same. Her children are younger than mine and she was worried for their safety even though she was standing with them.

[hildasmuriel]

It certainly wouldn't put me off going, but the queues for autographs are the worst. My daughter is so used to being told to wait her turn that she hovers uncertainly around the edge and then when somebody pushes in front of her, she would turn around and look to me for advice, only to find that another 4 people would go past her at the moment she turns round. I had to tell her that she must keep her place, keep in front of the character as they cannot see her behind them and, as far as possible, not let anyone get around her.

[jillrobinson]

It won't stop me going to DLRP, but I agree it is annoying when you see your kids getting pushed further and further back, I much prefer the character meals for autograph collection.:goodvibes

[**TINKS**]

thanks for your responces, it would never personally put me off never going back we love it all too much lol ...so never ever going back would not even cross our minds, but it just goes to show that it does happen daily but we are probably just more aware of it while having our holidays etc, i know i where i work in dealing with the general public every day in a busy station and there are many a person who do not know how to queue or have the patience to anyway ( sorry getting side tracked lol ) but some countires are rather bad for it more than others but i wont pin point any :rotfl: suppose in a way it adds to the fun, some are just more desperate to see mickey mouse faster, but each to tier own :yay:

[Emmo]

I agree WDW and DL have organised lines for characters and it really is needed in DLP! Its always a free for all except the line for Mickey and his main pals! Its even more difficult when you are an adult trying to get an autograph/photo! I have now given up in DLP unless its a character meal or no-one about!! That makes me sad as I enjoy having my photo taken with the characters!

[poppyolivia]

The only time we were angry was trying to get on the shuttle bus going to Santa Fe. We were first in the queue but that made no difference to the ENGLISH people that were standing behind us, they pushed us out of the way and the driver had to try and shut his doors on our pushchairs. The driver had to drive off in the confusion with some of our family walking and some on the bus.....we didn't know where the kids were (5 of them) and the rest of our family (about 6) My mum was shouting at the bus driver to stop as we didn't know where the kids got 'thrown to' The bus driver had to radio for help. In my opinion it has always seemed to be the English that have had no manners over in Paris.
We walk now!!!!:rotfl:
Same with the rides WE only had one encounter with queue jumping although we witnessed alot. That time it was an Italian and English bloke giving it laldy with each other!!
Why they have to be so aggressive is beyond me...makes you wonder how they behave back home:confused3
This would never stop us from going back though because no matter where you go you will always have someone spoiling it for others.

[poppyolivia]

Just re read my post and I honestly want to say hand on heart I have no problem with English people....I love them all...well apart from the ones standing behind us back on the shuttle bus!;)

[BONITATIME]

I have a lot of mainland european friends who regard the anglo saxon habit of queueing in a line as a curiosity. They are inclined to laugh when they see it as it makes no sense to them.

[Beerqueen]

[QUOTE=tennisfan;17898407]Yes you can stake out your spot for the parade by sitting on the kerb, we always do. Obviously if a little child came along I would swap places. We are taking my 20 month old niece next week for the 1st time so we can stake out with her pushchair.

Tennisfan - You're nicer than me then! I've just got back and at yesterday's parade we "staked" our places for the parade from 3.30. At the last minute (literally - the first float was in sight) a woman who I think was Italian or Spanish gestured to me to ask if her toddler son could go in front. Now, I think he was too young to stand in front of me and my kids on his own so his mother would have probably had to go too and that would have meant me and mine wouldn't have been able to see so well. And if she had been happy to let him stand on his own I would have been too worried about knocking him to enjoy myself, and we were behind a rope so he could have been garrotted! I also thought that if she had been really concerned about him seeing the parade she should have got there a blooming sight earlier! And then for the first 10 minutes of the parade I felt guilty! Until some teenage girls said that they agreed she should have got there earlier and that I did the right thing. Why can't people take responsibility for their children seeing the parade instead of assuming they'll be let in just *** they're little - haven't they noticed that loads of people have children too? Sorry to rant - I still feel rotten I suppose but it was our last chance to see the parade and that's why WE PLANNED.

[tennisfan]

[QUOTE=tennisfan;17898407]Yes you can stake out your spot for the parade by sitting on the kerb, we always do. Obviously if a little child came along I would swap places. We are taking my 20 month old niece next week for the 1st time so we can stake out with her pushchair.

Tennisfan - You're nicer than me then! I've just got back and at yesterday's parade we "staked" our places for the parade from 3.30. At the last minute (literally - the first float was in sight) a woman who I think was Italian or Spanish gestured to me to ask if her toddler son could go in front. Now, I think he was too young to stand in front of me and my kids on his own so his mother would have probably had to go too and that would have meant me and mine wouldn't have been able to see so well. And if she had been happy to let him stand on his own I would have been too worried about knocking him to enjoy myself, and we were behind a rope so he could have been garrotted! I also thought that if she had been really concerned about him seeing the parade she should have got there a blooming sight earlier! And then for the first 10 minutes of the parade I felt guilty! Until some teenage girls said that they agreed she should have got there earlier and that I did the right thing. Why can't people take responsibility for their children seeing the parade instead of assuming they'll be let in just *** they're little - haven't they noticed that loads of people have children too? Sorry to rant - I still feel rotten I suppose but it was our last chance to see the parade and that's why WE PLANNED.

Rant away, don't feel guilty about it, I can see your point. I hate it when people turn up late and expect to be at the front. I would never take responsibility of other peoples children, all the kids I have swapped with have been well behaved and just sat there having said that I tend to stand where they don't have it roped and not many people stand there.

[ryan.stephens]

We experienced a lot of queue jumping and shoving whilst at Disneyland Paris but I guess that's just to be expected anyway because of the vast amount of people.

There was a fair amount when queing to purchase food from the little carts that are dotted around the park but the most common and obvious one is when there is a parade.

I would have had a fantastic view of the Disney Cinemagique parade as I was right on the white tape when it was announced but a lot of children were just thrown in front of me even though I was clearly stood their with my camera ready to film :confused3

My Niece found that yelling Pardon! worked quite well :)

[wideeyes]

I don't mind children standing in front of me once the parade starts, as long as the parents are near enough to watch there kids without having to push in front too. during the WDS parades some other parents got all the kids at the front while we stood behind them.

[KCMiller]

Hi, DLP board!

There was an interesting thread recently on another board about line cutting - when it was OK, how bad it was - and I remembered that when I flew to Paris a number of years ago, line cutting was rampant at the airport. So I was wondering, how is the line jumping situation at DLP? Do people cut into the queues for rides? Is is allowed, accepted, expected?

Just curious how different parks perceive this.

Thanks much, and merci!

KC:love:

[Cyrano]

This has been covered a few times. Whilst in the main most guests are happy to queue there is a small minority who will try to gain a few places ahead.

Most have a strategy of families standing abreast which stops others going pass or smile and realise that they have only gained a few places ahead.

If it is pointed out to CM's they will either remove them or send the culprit to the end of the queue :)

[babymaddie]

we suffered queue jumpers all the time. but did find the standing 5 abreat in queues worlked and simply sticking out your arm and a sharp, 'NO', or excuse moi seemed to work.

the worst i find is the adults who push the kids out of the way to meet a charcter!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[mickey66]

We have never had any problems when waiting for rides but have experienced people pushing in when waiting to see characters and the parades.

It really annoys me when we always arrive for the parades about 45 minutes in advance to get a good view only to have people barging past at the last minute. I also think it is cheeky when people expect that they can shove their kids to the front, just because they are kids. We have two kids too and we wouldn't dream of doing that.
Sorry rant over:headache:

[Architect]

The only particularly guilty mob seemed to be the Italians, for some reason. They were very bad at the Parade at when waiting to meet characters. However they were also very bashful if you said "Excusez Moi" loudly....

[Ware Bears]

Hi KC and welcome to the DLP board. :welcome:

Unfortunately there will always be a few who can't wait their turn but they are in the minority and most certainly not enough to spoil anyone's holiday. :)

[Mike Jones]

Having been crowded out a few times in Florida whilst waiting (early) for parades and fireworks, I don't bother trying to stake a pitch now.. I'm on holiday and don't want to be grumpy!...we just move near to the parade or show at the appointed time, and even with a compromised view you see most of the action.

Concerning Q-jumpers in line for rides... I haven't had a problem in the US (occasional incidents with non-English speakers, that's all) but have had issues at UK theme parks, and am anticipating the odd 'assault' in DLRP... my/our tactics will be simply to fill the space with our sweaty bodies to deny anyone from passing... I don't usually get much physical grief from strangers for some reason...;)

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Mike

[Bexx]

am anticipating the odd 'assault' in DLRP... my/our tactics will be simply to fill the space with our sweaty bodies to deny anyone from passing... I don't usually get much physical grief from strangers or some reason...;)

:rotfl:

I hope the weather is warm for you then - or will you still wear a T Shirt even if it's chilly?!!!

[Mike Jones]

:rotfl:

I hope the weather is warm for you then - or will you still wear a T Shirt even if it's chilly?!!!

.. nah, I'm a bit of a wuss .. if it's chilly I'll be wrapped up warm, with my arms covered!;) (but I'll be a bit upset, as it should be T-shirtable first week in June!:scared1: )

[Bexx]

(but I'll be a bit upset, as it should be T-shirtable first week in June!:scared1: )

From what I've read here, summer was a few weeks ago!! ;) But here's some :wizard: for good weather and no queue jumpers for you. BTW I've visited DLP eight times now and I certainly wouldn't say that queue jumping is rife. I really can't remember ever witnessing, or being involved in any incidents of it - and I don't look nearly as "tough" as you!!! ;) :teeth:

[tttessa]

Just don't expect the "British" queueing mentality and you'll be ok!

If there is an organised line - like for rides, or formal meet and greet points, then people tend to queue ok, however, if you are waiting for characters in an informal "huddle" it does tend to be each for his own!!

I'm the mummy on the edge saying "you were next honey - go for it"

At parade time lots do try it on - but if you stand your ground firmly, people tend to avoid confrontation! Oi shouted loudly tends to work!!

ps - sorry, but I do send my kids through to the front - only if I'm within touching distance of them (no one else will watch your kids for you- nor should they !!!) they are short and will sit on the kerbside nicely - I have no problems with other kids going in front of me in the same circumstance.

It's either that or put them on your shoulders and ruin someone else's view.

I know we should get there 2 hours early, stake out a spot with cones and ropes and defend it with machine gun emplacements ;)- but life really is too short - it is one of those self fulfilling things, you get there earlier and earlier to get a space - an hour in the full sun is just too long , so we stand back let the kids see - ours and anyone elses.

Tessa

[mulan1]

I'm with you Tessa!
It really is a bit much to wait for a long time only to have some inconsiderate people come and push in front of you for the parade.
If I do see queue jumpers though I will certainly speak up, I really don't like it when such people are just tolerated, because then they think they can get away with anything, or maybe worse things in other areas of their lives...
sorry:scared:
It's just that I know a very dirty doormat

[giuly09]

The only particularly guilty mob seemed to be the Italians, for some reason. They were very bad at the Parade at when waiting to meet characters. However they were also very bashful if you said "Excusez Moi" loudly....

Sorry but as Italian i have to say my opinion.
I would not say *ALL* italians do like that but just the nasty ones that you could find anywhere in every nation or continent.
I live in a touristic town and i see everyday nice and nasty people from everywhere, i dont push people and usually i let kids in front of me watching events without asking from where they are.

[Bexx]

just the nasty ones that you could find anywhere in every nation or continent.

That's absolutely true Giulia ::yes:: If there is a nation of perfect people anywhere, I'd be most interested to know about it ;)

[Cyrano]

I would not say *ALL* italians do like that but just the nasty ones that you could find anywhere in every nation or continent.

I agree :goodvibes Each nationality has the dubious honour of having a minority that does little to represent the interests of their kin.

But everyone on the DLP of course is above this :goodvibes

[Ware Bears]

But everyone on the DLP of course is above this :goodvibes

Of course! ::yes::

[lostinwonderland]

We witnessed quite a bit of pushing..

Mainly it's when characters are involved, I actually saw a child being shoved to the floor, which frankly is disgraceful.. Some characters seemed to have it under control, yesterday "Stitch" made the kids stand back and then called them over one by one, and "Eeyore" ignored a girl that had pushed through and grabbed him.. But mainly it's a bit nasty, because a lot of people push in and push people out of the way and stuff....

People pushed in in the toilets aswell... lol... There'd be a queue and people would just walk down to the front, someone would say something they'd just carry on...

There was people trying to push in the rides aswell, it seemed silly to annoy so many people just to try and get just a few places ahead... The worse case of this was on space mountain, when about 10 teenage boys decided to push through, there was a bit of a long queue, people were telling them to stop and just get in the queue because we're all waiting, me and russell put our arms on the rails, and they just shoved them out the way... When we got to the stairs and it splits into two and they realised that the our queue was going to get on quicker than the one they were in they decided to try and push through again we were trying no to let them which was easier as it was narrower, but they kept tapping me and laughing and stuff... It was a really unpleasant experiance... But it was the only one that was that bad...

But on the way home, quite a few people were complaining of ignorance and queue jumping... I think you've just got to accept that it happens and just don't let it ruin your time...

[Mike Jones]

What in heaven's name are the CMs doing while all this is going on?:confused3

[Architect]

What in heaven's name are the CMs doing while all this is going on?:confused3

Agreed.

I do find that the build of a former rugby forward and a broad, menacing Scottish accent (even in French) solved all our queue jumping problems. But that's probably not open to most of you chaps.

As it happens we also found that many of the characters were quite good at ignoring kids that had barged in and so on. But in fact the parents tended to be worse than the kids.

[Bexx]

What in heaven's name are the CMs doing while all this is going on?:confused3

I read this recently on the magicforum

"Guest behaviour in and around the hub during parades and fireworks is atrocious, and not enough is done to enforce the rules.

In defence of the CMs, however, it can be truly dispiriting to see a bunch of guests trampling the flower beds, ask them (politely yet firmly) to return to the pavement, and receive nothing but blank stares, laughs or, worse still, a (very rude word) for your troubles. Trust me, I've worked as a CM in these situations plenty of times, and we eventually had to resort to ganging up on the guests to get them to move. Sheer force of numbers is one of the only things they'll listen to. Even then, as soon as we turned our backs, many of the guests would simply hop straight back over the fences and the cycle would begin all over again. After two weeks of this, it's tempting to give up."

So I don't think the CMs always ignore bad behaviour because they can't be bothered, but it would seem they sometimes have their work cut out!!

[Architect]

So as to avoid getting complaints, I will merely point out that (as anyone who's been waiting on a ski-lift can testify) certain European countries do not really seem comfortable with the concept of queuing. Unfortunately if it's not nipped in the bud by the CMs, it only encourages others to do the same.

[Mike Jones]

So I don't think the CMs always ignore bad behaviour because they can't be bothered, but it would seem they sometimes have their work cut out!!

... I always remember my first time in MGM florida, when we were in line for ToTerror (before we 'discovered' Fastpass, LOL!).. some teen lads cut under the chain between two 'loops' of the line, bypassing about twenty guests. Withi a minute, two suited, minder-type CMs appeared and escorted them from the ride (possibly the park?).. surely the answer in DLRP is to eject people who break the rules, and impose a Zero tolerance approach? A season of this and they'd have no trouble again...

[Architect]

surely the answer in DLRP is to eject people who break the rules, and impose a Zero tolerance approach? A season of this and they'd have no trouble again...

Agreed.

[esk]

When we were there last month, we saw quite a bit of line jumping. It wasn't from any one nationality, it was pretty much everyone....but the vast majority were teenagers.

I don't have anything against teenagers (I was one, once upon a time) but I never would have behaved like these did. In line for Small World, one (large) girl stepped on my foot in her haste to shove my 2 year old aside and I kicked her :rolleyes1 She looked at me and we didn't speak the same language, but my entire 5 feet of self were not pleased and she quickly jumped several more people. Other times they simply pushed past us and kept going right to the front...try explaining to your 5 and 2 year olds why we have to wait for the carousel when those people don't. We saw line jumping for almost everything and for the characters, it was horrible. Strangely, though, everyone stayed in their queues for food.....

In defense of the CMs, the line jumping occurred way back in the sort of "cattle call" areas of the rides, before you get to the "snake" barriers, so the CMs wouldn't be able to see it.

One also terrible example....Perla the Mouse was doing a meet and greet in front of the castle. This awful child (girl, about 10 years old) put a rolled up wrapper or some other trash IN PERLA'S MOUTH. Now mind you, the person in there can't see that but knows something is there. She tried to take it out but her costume fingers were too large. Then the child, laughing and posing for the camera, puts her hand up to Perla's mouth again....Perla slapped it away fast, and turned the child away from her and gave her a little push. The CM minder didn't see all this, because she was trying to hold back the crowd. Again, what really bothered me here, was that this child was laughing and posing for pictures while doing it. A small child could make this mistake, but not one that old.

[mulan1]

One also terrible example....Perla the Mouse was doing a meet and greet in front of the castle. This awful child (girl, about 10 years old) put a rolled up wrapper or some other trash IN PERLA'S MOUTH. Now mind you, the person in there can't see that but knows something is there. She tried to take it out but her costume fingers were too large. Then the child, laughing and posing for the camera, puts her hand up to Perla's mouth again....Perla slapped it away fast, and turned the child away from her and gave her a little push. The CM minder didn't see all this, because she was trying to hold back the crowd. Again, what really bothered me here, was that this child was laughing and posing for pictures while doing it. A small child could make this mistake, but not one that old.

How terribly rude!
I am in awe that a child of that age would be so rude to do such a thing, who is she trying to impress? And where were her parents/carers whoever??
Appalling I think is the word I'm looking for!:sad2:

[Architect]

I don't have anything against teenagers (I was one, once upon a time) but I never would have behaved like these did. In line for Small World, one (large) girl stepped on my foot in her haste to shove my 2 year old aside and I kicked her :rolleyes1 .

I would never condone violence, but good for you!

[bavaria]

I agree :goodvibes Each nationality has the dubious honour of having a minority that does little to represent the interests of their kin.



Agreed! in fact, the worse case of pushing I experienced last year was from a European family not from 'continetal' Europe :rolleyes1

but I did have to chuckle during breakfast at the Cheyenne - all the Brits (and I) were in an orderly line waiting for coffee. For every Brit who managed to get to the machine, 2 or 3 others would come from the and push their way past to the machine.

I did manage to block a Dutchwoman (nothing gets between me and my coffee) but the poor British woman behind me in the queue looked rather defenseless, and I had to wish her luck as I left... :)

Other than a few exhuberent people in POTC, I can't recall any really bad behaviour

[UKDEB]

This happens the world over and is the main reason we can't be bothered with parades. I want to chill out and enjoy my time at the parks, not worry about getting into a fracas with people who want to stand in front of me at the last minute when I've been waiting patiently for an hour or more. I'll happily encourage children to stand in front of me, but if their parents think the invitation extends to them, they'll be disabused of the notion in no uncertain terms! :rotfl:

[Ste7en]

The line jumpers really tarnish the magic IMO.

I'm over 6 foot and quite broad and I tend to puff out a bit when it comes to standing in line in DLP.

Useful tactics:

1) If someone is really uncomfortably close up behind you start to gesticulate while you speak, rock back and forth and shuffle around. People soon give you a bit of space.

2) If they get right in front of you suddenly develop a rather nasty cough. They'll regret getting in front then.

This rotten old woman tried to push past my 4 year old daughter and she wouldn't budge. I think it made her feel rather foolish and she tried to make a fuss of her instead.

That was on BTM, but once you get into the abattoir style fenced areas things settle down.

[mulan1]

The line jumpers really tarnish the magic IMO.

I'm over 6 foot and quite broad and I tend to puff out a bit when it comes to standing in line in DLP.

Useful tactics:

1) If someone is really uncomfortably close up behind you start to gesticulate while you speak, rock back and forth and shuffle around. People soon give you a bit of space.

2) If they get right in front of you suddenly develop a rather nasty cough. They'll regret getting in front then.

This rotten old woman tried to push past my 4 year old daughter and she wouldn't budge. I think it made her feel rather foolish and she tried to make a fuss of her instead.

That was on BTM, but once you get into the abattoir style fenced areas things settle down.


:rotfl:
Great tips, yes the shuffling around one always works, in any kind of queue, must say haven't tried the coughing one, will do though should i be the unfortunate victim of a queue jumper.:headache:

[luke]

In line for Small World, one (large) girl stepped on my foot in her haste to shove my 2 year old aside and I kicked her .

I'll have to admit to the occasional sly kick or bump into queue jumpers pirate:

It does seem to be very rife in DLRP, and like many here me and my gf have adopted the stretching across the queue area tactic to stop it happening.

As for letting kids to the front at parade time, i will pretty much always do it for small kids, and the parents are usually very thankful, which can often make your day :goodvibes

[NIK]

The worst thing for me was the pushing and shoving that went on when waiting for the parades. Why is it that some folk think they can leave it to the last moment then push in front of those of us who have been standing there for ages?

[selwonk]

I've just got back from DRP and to be honest I found the queue jumping horrendous. I have half-Spanish cousins and I have spent a lot of time in Spain in my life. I therefore understand that the Spanish don't have a queuing culture which is fair enough. What I did find really irritating was my daughter being pushed out of line queuing to see Minnie Mouse by the Spanish ADULTS!

Anyway - best thing is just use your elbows as much as they do and try to keep your cool. A good tip from me is to book Cafe Mickey if you've not managed to meet many characters - that way your little 'uns can get to meet them in a more chilled out environment

One thing I can say is that us Brits don't half let ourselves down in the dress stakes ;) Compared to the French and Spanish we are a particularly slovenly lot! :rofl:

[selwonk]

the worst i find is the adults who push the kids out of the way to meet a charcter!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:Agreed. It's for the kids after all!The only particularly guilty mob seemed to be the Italians, for some reason. They were very bad at the Parade at when waiting to meet characters. However they were also very bashful if you said "Excusez Moi" loudly....I don't think any one nation is worse than another, but it did seem last weekend that the Spanish were pushing their luck a bit tooI would not say *ALL* italians do like that but just the nasty ones that you could find anywhere in every nation or continent.Agreed. We can't tar everyone with the same brush. Us Brits can be pretty horrible tourists, that's for sure!This happens the world over and is the main reason we can't be bothered with parades. I want to chill out and enjoy my time at the parks, not worry about getting into a fracas with people who want to stand in front of me at the last minute when I've been waiting patiently for an hour or more.I agree - but I found it rather offensive to wait in line for the Lion King show only to have to physically fight my way through people pushing in at the last minuteThe worst thing for me was the pushing and shoving that went on when waiting for the parades. Why is it that some folk think they can leave it to the last moment then push in front of those of us who have been standing there for ages?The problem is that it's not in their nature. I'm guessing you are a Brit? We've got the art of polite queuing down to a fine art and unfortunately large parts of the globe think it's rather quaint!

[scald]

Adults are by far the worst offenders. Of all nationalities...I have even been physically assaulted by one!!!!! Had to get security, but thats another story.

Your best tactic is to remain calm and always let your children see that you have manners. We are responsible for their actions and how they behave when they are older. Sometimes, if the offender is english speaking, I embarrass them. I will excuse the rude adult to my daughter by loudly explaining that he/she simply had to get in front of her. She will then say "Why?, but he is a grown up...we were in front of him etc" and then I will tell her that "it's not his fault, as he is a very rude man and has no manners"

Usually does the trick and a few times this has produced an apology....

I am not English and don't know about queuing systems around europe, but one thing is for sure, common decency and respect for your fellow man is the same in all languages/cultures.

[MsFreud]

The one thing I have found the most infuriating here is the lack of lines for the Autographs and such... not just kids- they are prone to get excited- but the adult parents pushing them forward trying to beat out everyone else. :eek: I haven't had much problem with the lines for rides... I just keep those arms out staright on the rails if I feel my "personal space" being invaded.

In Anaheim, there are established lines for the prinicple characters (princesses, M&M, D&D, etc), and the ones who walk around the park...It is the minder's job is to keep the kids coming up one at a time- not only to ensure nice order for autographs, but so I can get a picture of my kids without 300 other children pushing and crowding around them. The kids stand in a line.. close to single file along a fence or railing to see the Wicked Queen, or Prince John, etc.

It is the same here often in the stores in Germany- they don't get in line and wait- they kind of Bum Rush the counters when they feel it is their turn.

Too may times my daughter walked away crying and heart broken in DLP because she didn't get her picture and autographs, despite waiting patiently for 15 or 20 minutes. The first time it was no big deal- but after the thrid and fourth, it was too much. As much as I hate the way they do it here in Europe, I have to say "When in Rome..." I try to make sure my kds are as polite as possible... I do not allow them to push, but I also safe guard to keep them from getting pushed around by these kamakazee parents. I have to admit giving more than a couple of dirty looks. :rolleyes1

[Cyrano]

The DLP mods have decided to combine these two current threads about queue jumpers, and any subsequent threads on the subject will also be added to this one. Non DLP related items will be deleted.

Also, while we understand that people want to vent their frustrations about queue jumpers and pushy people, it shouldn't be at the expense of someone's feelings. As has already been mentioned, we all have our faults - therefore we ask that no nationality is singled out for criticism. If anyone does so then an infraction will be issued and this thread may be closed.

Thank you for your understanding

[NIK]

I don't think any nationality is exempt - rudeness, like music, is a universal language.

I'm a polite soul and will normally give way gracefully but there's a limit to how often you can do this before you get an ulcer!:goodvibes

I do think DLRP could be a little more organised in their handling of queues. Mind you, when I queued to meet the Beast last year they were well disciplined. For me it was just occasions like the parades that really got my goat.

[Mike Jones]

We are recently returned, and experienced no queuing issues to speak of, certainly no one pushed in front of us. The crowds with little kids around character greetings looked a bit manic, but they always do!

[Cyrano]

As the mods feel that this has been discussed at length this thread is now being closed.