Perception=Reality

[Sparx]

Your thoughts?

[BabyPiglet]

What you perceive is not always real.

[Sparx]

What you perceive is not always real.

But what if everyone perceived the same thing, with no doubt at all? would it become real then, since, in that case that belief does become their reality?

[BabyPiglet]

But what if everyone perceived the same thing, with no doubt at all? would it become real then, since, in that case that belief does become their reality?

I believe nothing is reality. I can go on for hours about my physcobabble beliefs.

I think that we perceive everything to be how it is. I know that probably makes no sense, but it's my thoughts.

Nothing is really real.

[Sparx]

I believe nothing is reality. I can go on for hours about my physcobabble beliefs.

I think that we perceive everything to be how it is. I know that probably makes no sense, but it's my thoughts.

Nothing is really real.

I love discussing philosophy. This is one of my favorite topics.

I believe reality is subjective, and it is changeable.

[BabyPiglet]

I love discussing philosophy. This is one of my favorite topics.

I believe reality is subjective, and it is changeable.

One of my favorite topics too. My family always groan when I want to talk about it.

Reality is always changing. It is hard to explain to someone.


We made this world, I believe, so we are always changing it.

[Sparx]

One of my favorite topics too. My family always groan when I want to talk about it.

Reality is always changing. It is hard to explain to someone.


We made this world, I believe, so we are always changing it.

There is an old phrase, "you are the main character in your own life story"

I think that means that you create your reality. you choose what you live by, and you affect everything around you with those choices.

[BabyPiglet]

There is an old phrase, "you are the main character in your own life story"

I think that means that you create your reality. you choose what you live by, and you affect everything around you with those choices.

Uh I think that all the time. Also,

I will look at people and think, 'Am I the only real one in this world? Is the world just about me?' I know it seems a little weird but I do.

I also wonder if different people feel things differently, is their pain different? Are their emotions different?

[Sparx]

Uh I think that all the time. Also,

I will look at people and think, 'Am I the only real one in this world? Is the world just about me?' I know it seems a little weird but I do.

I also wonder if different people feel things differently, is their pain different? Are their emotions different?

Its hard to realize that there are so many individual minds around you. And some of them seem so fake, that they're just there to upset you. And you wonder if they're really feeling everything you are. which, logically, they must, but if everyone is feeling so strongly, wouldn't everyone just be falling apart, like you are? and if everyone is feeling that way, how do they all keep so quiet about it.

[BabyPiglet]

Its hard to realize that there are so many individual minds around you. And some of them seem so fake, that they're just there to upset you. And you wonder if they're really feeling everything you are. which, logically, they must, but if everyone is feeling so strongly, wouldn't everyone just be falling apart, like you are? and if everyone is feeling that way, how do they all keep so quiet about it.

You don't even know how much I agree.

I just can't get the concept that everyone is the same, but different. It boggles me.

[Sparx]

You don't even know how much I agree.

I just can't get the concept that everyone is the same, but different. It boggles me.

a human can only use 11% of their brain at any given time. sometimes, in philosophical discussion, I max out. Its like, I'm about to seriously finally understand it all. and then I kind of just can't think anymore. I can't take what I'm thinking about any further. and then it all just slides away

[DollfieDreams]

..so all this talk is reminding me of the movie: "the truman show".
anyway. in my lit and the arts class we learned of this philosopher, saint anselm who thought that anything you thought of, had to be real. so of course someone says "well, im thinking about a pink and purple polka-dot dinosaur. thats not real." how do we know it isnt? just because we cant see it, doesnt mean it isnt real. and who said it had to exist in our time and in our dimension?
im pretty sure if you closed your eyes right now and pictured the most perfect beach imaginable, you could scour the earth and someday find it. i guess, whatever you think of, has to be real. because you make it that way.

ive got a lot of stuff from that class you guys would be interested in. i should go find it..xD

[Sparx]

..so all this talk is reminding me of the movie: "the truman show".
anyway. in my lit and the arts class we learned of this philosopher, saint anselm who thought that anything you thought of, had to be real. so of course someone says "well, im thinking about a pink and purple polka-dot dinosaur. thats not real." how do we know it isnt? just because we cant see it, doesnt mean it isnt real. and who said it had to exist in our time and in our dimension?
im pretty sure if you closed your eyes right now and pictured the most perfect beach imaginable, you could scour the earth and someday find it. i guess, whatever you think of, has to be real. because you make it that way.

ive got a lot of stuff from that class you guys would be interested in. i should go find it..xD

I've heard of that. There is also the 10th dimension theory that states there there is a dimension where every single possible thing is happening. And, thats a lot. everything from did you eat breakfast this morning to, where you even born?

[BabyPiglet]

a human can only use 11% of their brain at any given time. sometimes, in philosophical discussion, I max out. Its like, I'm about to seriously finally understand it all. and then I kind of just can't think anymore. I can't take what I'm thinking about any further. and then it all just slides away
Oh me too. Just when I think I am about to get it. To understand. I just blank out, and forget everything. Don't understand it at all. It's weird.

My mom thinks it's because the great magical Doctor that makes our world go around, has erased it because he doesn't want us to understand.

She is really into this stuff, not my other family though. :guilty:
..so all this talk is reminding me of the movie: "the truman show".
anyway. in my lit and the arts class we learned of this philosopher, saint anselm who thought that anything you thought of, had to be real. so of course someone says "well, im thinking about a pink and purple polka-dot dinosaur. thats not real." how do we know it isnt? just because we cant see it, doesnt mean it isnt real. and who said it had to exist in our time and in our dimension?
im pretty sure if you closed your eyes right now and pictured the most perfect beach imaginable, you could scour the earth and someday find it. i guess, whatever you think of, has to be real. because you make it that way.

ive got a lot of stuff from that class you guys would be interested in. i should go find it..xD

But who's saying that what we perceive something as, Is the same as how someone else perceives the same thing.

Religous people, just because they believe God is true, makes it true. But is it? I don't really think so, but they do.

Who knows :confused3

Humans don't know anything, but what we've forced ourselves to know. What we've congured up out of the back of our minds. We know nothing.

[Sparx]

Oh me too. Just when I think I am about to get it. To understand. I just blank out, and forget everything. Don't understand it at all. It's weird.

My mom thinks it's because the great magical Doctor that makes our world go around, has erased it because he doesn't want us to understand.

She is really into this stuff, not my other family though. :guilty:


But who's saying that what we perceive something as, Is the same as how someone else perceives the same thing.

Religous people, just because they believe God is true, makes it true. But is it? I don't really think so, but they do.

Who knows :confused3

Humans don't know anything, but what we've forced ourselves to know. What we've congured up out of the back of our minds. We know nothing.
the only true wisdom is to know you know nothing.

[BabyPiglet]

the only true wisdom is to know you know nothing.

Oh goodie then. I have wisdom.

But people don't look at the Big Picture, the only see things narrowly.

[tinkerbell12]

Wow. This is such a cool discussion. I'll post after my mom goes on for a quick second... I'm amazed, truly amazed.

[Sparx]

Oh goodie then. I have wisdom.

But people don't look at the Big Picture, the only see things narrowly.

you can't see the forest if you focus on the tree.


(god I have a quote for everything. ;) )

[BabyPiglet]

you can't see the forest if you focus on the tree.


(god I have a quote for everything. ;) )

Haha I guess you do. And that is true.

What do you believe the world is? What is our purpose?

[Loves Disney]

"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players." -As You Like It (Shakespeare)

[BabyPiglet]

"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players." -As You Like It (Shakespeare)

I thought that was from the Seven Stages of Men? I am pretty sure it is.

I knew Cat would be here soon.

[Sparx]

Haha I guess you do. And that is true.

What do you believe the world is? What is our purpose?

I think everyone matters to someone. I think everyone affects someone, and that person affects another, and another and so on and so forth. I think its our purpose to find who we're meant to affect, or change. Some people are meant to touch more than one life, some are meant to touch one. I believe that everything has a purpose like that, not just people. Like, my keyboard for instance. Its purpose may be to let me communicate these ideas, and years from now someone will come across them and be affected by what I said.

[BabyPiglet]

I think everyone matters to someone. I think everyone affects someone, and that person affects another, and another and so on and so forth. I think its our purpose to find who we're meant to affect, or change. Some people are meant to touch more than one life, some are meant to touch one. I believe that everything has a purpose like that, not just people. Like, my keyboard for instance. Its purpose may be to let me communicate these ideas, and years from now someone will come across them and be affected by what I said.

Good thoughts. Everyone has a purpose to affect someone. Good idea.


I believe that we are all an experiment (yes, it's sounds weird). We were put on this planet to see what we would do. And look what we've done. We have thrived to survive, because we have fear of the unknown. We focus everything around surviving. But we humor ourselves on someone's "failure". We love to see this. The failure to survive, Death. We have made ourselves "useful" by various jobs and such. Made ourselves independent but always connected. We humans have made a life that seems so important to us, but it really is miniscule. I believe their is so much more out there.

[Sparx]

Good thoughts. Everyone has a purpose to affect someone. Good idea.


I believe that we are all an experiment (yes, it's sounds weird). We were put on this planet to see what we would do. And look what we've done. We have thrived to survive, because we have fear of the unknown. We focus everything around surviving. But we humor ourselves on someone's "failure". We love to see this. The failure to survive, Death. We have made ourselves "useful" by various jobs and such. Made ourselves independent but always connected. We humans have made a life that seems so important to us, but it really is miniscule. I believe their is so much more out there.
I don't believe in god. Because I believe that there is a much wider scope of things out there. so incredibly vast that it is immeasurable. And Christian beliefs don't necessarily mesh with that.

[BabyPiglet]

I don't believe in god. Because I believe that there is a much wider scope of things out there. so incredibly vast that it is immeasurable. And Christian beliefs don't necessarily mesh with that.

Me neither. My family is Catholic, but I don't share their beliefs.

I believe life is so much more and we don't have time to worship and invisible person. It's something we made up to take away the "unknown".

[Loves Disney]

I thought that was from the Seven Stages of Men? I am pretty sure it is.

I knew Cat would be here soon.

Nope. That quote is famously penned by William Shakespeare. It is also printed on the Globe Theater.

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I believe in fate. I never used to, but for a few years now I have had increased reasoning to believe everything happens for a reason and we are put on this world for a reason. Similar to what Sparx said, I have this idea about people. I think the people we meet and talk with are who they are for a reason. The friends we make are the friends we make for a reason and from them our lives take shape as they should. The people we dislike help us grow to know ourselves better by understanding what we don't like in those people and those who we admire help us become stronger in what we believe.

Life is a maze and our goal is to reach the way out. We hit turns that are dead ends but if we give up, we can never finish. We have to keep ourselves going and eventually we make right turns and we get further through the maze. The people we meet help us through the maze. Some are there to encourage us, some to give us company and a good time, others to lead us to the end and no matter what, the ones who mean the most to us will be the ones who keep us going and the ones who will change the way we look at the maze. We make the decisions on whether we should turn left or take that second right and then a sharp turn. We make the choices and those choices help us learn. Life is an endless process that if we give up on, we cannot complete.

[Sparx]

Me neither. My family is Catholic, but I don't share their beliefs.

I believe life is so much more and we don't have time to worship and invisible person. It's something we made up to take away the "unknown".

religion was created to explain things.
science was created to help religion. they end up discrediting each other. I think in this age, we don't need religion anymore.

Religion remains as a form of control. if you study it lacking a bias, thats what its been since the days of Christ.

[Columba]

I thought that was from the Seven Stages of Men? I am pretty sure it is.

I knew Cat would be here soon.

The Seven Ages of Man is a monologue from As You Like It

[BabyPiglet]

religion was created to explain things.
science was created to help religion. they end up discrediting each other. I think in this age, we don't need religion anymore.

Religion remains as a form of control. if you study it lacking a bias, thats what its been since the days of Christ.

Religion just confuses things. I believe Science, but I don't think Science explains much at all. Or what life is really about.

The Seven Ages of Man is a monologue from As You Like It

Oh Okay.

[Sparx]

Religion just confuses things. I believe Science, but I don't think Science explains much at all. Or what life is really about.



Oh Okay.

science can only explain what we open our eyes up enough to believe. we're restrained by religious 'morals' in ways which we can research. it makes it difficult.

[BabyPiglet]

science can only explain what we open our eyes up enough to believe. we're restrained by religious 'morals' in ways which we can research. it makes it difficult.

I agree.

[CastawayJ]

perseption does not = reaility

[BabyPiglet]

perseption does not = reaility

Your thoughts on the topic?

[Sparx]

perseption does not = reaility

why?

[Babyjustrun]

I cannot say much on this thread, as I know I'm not well informed on this, and I won't pretend I am.

I don't believe in God & Jesus, nor do I believe in any religion, so if you comment my post, leave the religious aspect of it out.

I try to not let myself think that, 'This is my world, people just happen to be in it' just because I want there to be more to that. If honestly, I am the only real one and this is the story of my life... I just feel like that makes me alone. I'm not sure why, but it does.
I find I'm very well... content with how things are. Some stuff I like to be explained but others are just better left unsaid and explained to me. I don't care about cells or scientific research, I know a carrot is orange I'm not concerned about why.

A theory, either I made up completely, or I had heard of was about time. That there was a different dimension for every moment. Like there was a place, where 6 year old Hilary was getting her hair cut, and it gets repeated. I don't believe in it though, just find it interesting.

Hilary is now going to shut up because she sounds like a babbling imbecile. She is going to read all of your posts because she enjoys reading them.

[DramaQueen]

Ugh....

in school now on ths DIS?!?!

lol. yeah in my philosophy course we are discussing this alot.

we just read a thing by Descartes about our perceptions on things and if it's real or not.

I don't necessarily believe perception=reality.
We all percieve things in different ways. No one will EVER be able to see the worlds through another persons eyes. We only know what WE percieve, and it is virtually impossible for us to know what the people around us percieve as real.
So what is reality? Does reality exist? If everyone has different perceptions, how could there possibly be one definite answer. How can we have a "real" reality if there are billions of people seeing things differently.

How do we know that the people who we admit into psyche wards aren't the ones who are seeing the "real" reality and the "normal" people are wrong.

In my opinion, we can never really define reality, we can never find what the "true" reality is. Because no matter how hard we try, we will NEVEr be able to explain to the person standing next to us what we percieve as real.

i hope that made sense. :goodvibes

[tinkerbell12]

I believe everything you imagine, everything around you, is real. If you can imagine it, it's possible because your mind only makes up what you can think about and if you can think about something, doesn't that mean you know it's true?

[DramaQueen]

I believe everything you imagine, everything around you, is real. If you can imagine it, it's possible because your mind only makes up what you can think about and if you can think about something, doesn't that mean you know it's true?

but our imaginations can think up some really wild and crazy things.
does that mean that the things we dream about at night are do-able and real?

[Sparx]

Ugh....

in school now on ths DIS?!?!

lol. yeah in my philosophy course we are discussing this alot.

we just read a thing by Descartes about our perceptions on things and if it's real or not.

I don't necessarily believe perception=reality.
We all percieve things in different ways. No one will EVER be able to see the worlds through another persons eyes. We only know what WE percieve, and it is virtually impossible for us to know what the people around us percieve as real.
So what is reality? Does reality exist? If everyone has different perceptions, how could there possibly be one definite answer. How can we have a "real" reality if there are billions of people seeing things differently.

How do we know that the people who we admit into psyche wards aren't the ones who are seeing the "real" reality and the "normal" people are wrong.

In my opinion, we can never really define reality, we can never find what the "true" reality is. Because no matter how hard we try, we will NEVEr be able to explain to the person standing next to us what we percieve as real.

i hope that made sense. :goodvibes
When you're mentally healthy, you doubt your sanity. You have thoughts like "I must be insane" "I'm going crazy" etc...

When you are crazy, you never doubt your sanity. You know you're perfectly sane.

So, are we sane because we don't think so, or are we crazy because we do?

[Loves Disney]

Those who are mentally unhealthy are in a lot of cases, incapable of surviving on their own. They are not able to function the way mentally stable people do. The world is run by the mentally stable and those with a stable mind out-number those who do not. Therefore, in the case Sparx presented, those who "doubt" sanity are the ones who are sane.

I must say, I really like that thought, Sparx. :)

[BabyPiglet]

Hilary that is a very interesting point of view.

[Sparx]

I cannot say much on this thread, as I know I'm not well informed on this, and I won't pretend I am.

I don't believe in God & Jesus, nor do I believe in any religion, so if you comment my post, leave the religious aspect of it out.

I try to not let myself think that, 'This is my world, people just happen to be in it' just because I want there to be more to that. If honestly, I am the only real one and this is the story of my life... I just feel like that makes me alone. I'm not sure why, but it does.
I find I'm very well... content with how things are. Some stuff I like to be explained but others are just better left unsaid and explained to me. I don't care about cells or scientific research, I know a carrot is orange I'm not concerned about why.

A theory, either I made up completely, or I had heard of was about time. That there was a different dimension for every moment. Like there was a place, where 6 year old Hilary was getting her hair cut, and it gets repeated. I don't believe in it though, just find it interesting.

Hilary is now going to shut up because she sounds like a babbling imbecile. She is going to read all of your posts because she enjoys reading them.

I agree with the bolded paragraph.

[BabyPiglet]

Those who are mentally unhealthy are in a lot of cases, incapable of surviving on their own. They are not able to function the way mentally stable people do. The world is run by the mentally stable and those with a stable mind out-number those who do not. Therefore, in the case Sparx presented, those who "doubt" sanity are the ones who are sane.

I must say, I really like that thought, Sparx. :)

Yeah, but who's saying there are only a few people in the world who know what it's really about. The mentally unstable could be the ones who have an eye into reality. Us, mentally stable people just can't grasp that, because what we see is so much different.

[Loves Disney]

Yeah, but who's saying there are only a few people in the world who know what it's really about. The mentally unstable could be the ones who have an eye into reality. Us, mentally stable people just can't grasp that, because what we see is so much different.

They are not the ones ruling the countries in the world. They do not own federal companies, run government agencies, etc. They do not teach the youth in America and in other countries. They might have an eye into something we don't, but they don't produce anything with it. We have eyes to see things they cannot and what we see is used to produce the fuel on which this world progresses...therefore the mentally stable are the ones with the "realistic" views on reality. Everything else is perception. ;)

[Sparx]

They are not the ones ruling the countries in the world. They do not own federal companies, run government agencies, etc. They do not teach the youth in America and in other countries. They might have a eye into something we don't, but they don't produce anything with it. We have eyes to see things they cannot and what we see is used to produce the fuel on which this world progresses...therefore the mentally stable are the ones with the "realistic" views on reality. Everything else is perception. ;)

so comes the question, is a realistic view on reality more important than knowing a little bit more than some?

[Loves Disney]

so comes the question, is a realistic view on reality more important than knowing a little bit more than some?

I don't think it's knowing a little bit more than some, just knowing something others don't...such as we might have an understanding of things they do not. I think it would be quite the interesting thing to take the mind of a mentally unstable person and combine it with that of a mentally stable. (In the sense of intelligence and not the disability aspect).

[BabyPiglet]

They are not the ones ruling the countries in the world. They do not own federal companies, run government agencies, etc. They do not teach the youth in America and in other countries. They might have an eye into something we don't, but they don't produce anything with it. We have eyes to see things they cannot and what we see is used to produce the fuel on which this world progresses...therefore the mentally stable are the ones with the "realistic" views on reality. Everything else is perception. ;)

Yes, but who's to say all that stuff is useless. That it isn't just part of the game, that it doesn't have anything to do with reality.

To me, in my perception of life, that stuff is just nonsense. Something to do with our time.

[tinkerbell12]

but our imaginations can think up some really wild and crazy things.
does that mean that the things we dream about at night are do-able and real?

Yes.

There were people, such as my grandmother, who thought going into space was impossible. The first space landing, she believed was fake. She went to her grave believing they just taped some people out in the desert and said they were on the moon. She thought it was impossible.

Going into space was impossible until we had technology. I believe, no matter how wild and crazy something is, can be done. If it can't be done, how is it that we went into space. It was wild and crazy and, as my grandmother thought, impossible.

I remember thinking I was psychic. I have/had dreams that happen the next day. I know they did. I've had recent ones that have happened. Jenny believes that's just how our minds work.

If she believes that, when we dream weird, whacky, seemingly impossible things, then aren't we just thinking of the future? Where would we get those crazy ideas? I think it's possible.

[BabyPiglet]

Yes.

There were people, such as my grandmother, who thought going into space was impossible. The first space landing, she believed was fake. She went to her grave believing they just taped some people out in the desert and said they were on the moon. She thought it was impossible.

Going into space was impossible until we had technology. I believe, no matter how wild and crazy something is, can be done. If it can't be done, how is it that we went into space. It was wild and crazy and, as my grandmother thought, impossible.

I remember thinking I was psychic. I have/had dreams that happen the next day. I know they did. I've had recent ones that have happened. Jenny believes that's just how our minds work.

If she believes that, when we dream weird, whacky, seemingly impossible things, then aren't we just thinking of the future? Where would we get those crazy ideas? I think it's possible.

Not technically the future. Just feelings we harbor. Last night, I was watching a thing on Sanjaya on American Idol, I had a dream about him, because it was the last thing I was thinking of. People say "Clear your mind" but that is impossible. Our minds are always working.

I believe that none of that stuff really matters and our lifes here are just a miniscule part of what we are really doing.

It really is hard to explain, philosophy is not an easy topic to discuss, and if you were here, right here with me. I could spend hours on the topic and my beliefs of what the world really is.

[tinkerbell12]

Not technically the future. Just feelings we harbor. Last night, I was watching a thing on Sanjaya on American Idol, I had a dream about him, because it was the last thing I was thinking of. People say "Clear your mind" but that is impossible. Our minds are always working.
It really is hard to explain, philosophy is not an easy topic to discuss, and if you were here, right here with me. I could spend hours on the topic and my beliefs of what the world really is.

Yes, I think technically the future.

I had dreams that happened the next day. You told me that's how our minds work, that I really wasn't seeing into the future, that my mind just worked that way. You told me that I wasn't psychic because everyone's mind does things like that to them. That's what you told me.

[BabyPiglet]

Yes, I think technically the future.

I had dreams that happened the next day. You told me that's how our minds work, that I really wasn't seeing into the future, that my mind just worked that way. You told me that I wasn't psychic because everyone's mind does things like that to them. That's what you told me.

Well I have had dreams that never happen. I have had dreams set in animation, I have had dreams about getting murdered, I have had dreams about talking to Sanjaya.

I don't think, technically the future, I think more like what are minds have processed, conciously and unconciously.

:)

[tinkerbell12]

Well I have had dreams that never happen. I have had dreams set in animation, I have had dreams about getting murdered, I have had dreams about talking to Sanjaya.

I don't think, technically the future, I think more like what are minds have processed, consciously and unconsciously.

:)

Maybe you'll be able to talk to Sanjaya... {who is that?}

You told me so.... you've changed my viewpoint but now you're messing what you told me up.

[BabyPiglet]

Maybe you'll be able to talk to Sanjaya... {who is that?}

You told me so.... you've changed my viewpoint but now you're messing what you told me up.

He's a dude from American Idol.

How am I messing it up? I told you that dreams are what your minds perceives. They are the concious and unconcious fears and wishes. That is what I told you.

[tinkerbell12]

He's a dude from American Idol.

How am I messing it up? I told you that dreams are what your minds perceives. They are the concious and unconcious fears and wishes. That is what I told you.

I'll PM you if I wish this to continue.
This is about what you think about perception=reality.

[Loves Disney]

Yes, but who's to say all that stuff is useless. That it isn't just part of the game, that it doesn't have anything to do with reality.

To me, in my perception of life, that stuff is just nonsense. Something to do with our time.

I'm to say a lot of that stuff is useless lol. They might know stuff we don't, but they are unable to use it. They don't use it. And when something isn't used, it's useless...thus the term. lol.

What game? And it has everything to do with reality lol.

What "stuff" is nonesense? lol. "Stuff" such as what makes this world tick and how the many different societies function...and without the mentally ill? If that is the stuff you are talking about, lol, perhaps this conversation just turned 180 degrees because that isn't about reality anymore, it's about fact and the definite nature of things which eliminates "opinion"...it becomes politics. lol.

[BabyPiglet]

I'm to say a lot of that stuff is useless lol. They might know stuff we don't, but they are unable to use it. They don't use it. And when something isn't used, it's useless...thus the term. lol.

What game? And it has everything to do with reality lol.

What "stuff" is nonesense? lol. "Stuff" such as what makes this world tick and how the many different societies function...and without the mentally ill? If that is the stuff you are talking about, lol, perhaps this conversation just turned 180 degrees because that isn't about reality anymore, it's about fact and the definite nature of things which eliminates "opinion"...it becomes politics. lol.

"Stuff" was the jobs you mentioned, the way we function. "Game" is the big picture of things.

That stuff might make our little world go round, but I don't think it means anything. Politics, it doesn't mean anything either. We were put on this Earth and this is what we chose to do. We chose to make these things and live off them, technology, it's all useless.

And why is what they know useless? They might know the most important facts ever. The things that tell us why we are. Why we are here, and doing what we do. It's very complicated.

[meeshheartsdisney217]

reality is perception.
perception is not reality.

and what happens whne you die?
not religious arguements needed.

[tinkerbell12]

reality is perception.
perception is not reality.

and what happens whne you die?
not religious arguements needed.

What happens when you die... wow... I used to cry when I was 8-9 years old thinking about that... being so scared... literally because of death. :sad1:

[BabyPiglet]

reality is perception.
perception is not reality.

and what happens whne you die?
not religious arguements needed.

Is that a rhetorical question? If not, how are we supposed to know.

I believe you go on to the bigger part of life. Not some paradise in the sky, but just a bigger part of life, one with more meaning.

[BabyPiglet]

What happens when you die... wow... I used to cry when I was 8-9 years old thinking about that... being so scared... literally because of death. :sad1:

Because of Death? The pain if dying? Or because of the unknown.

I was scared of the unknown, until I realized why cry over something that is going to happen anyway? No stopping it.

[Sparx]

reality is perception.
perception is not reality.

and what happens whne you die?
not religious arguements needed.

deterioration of the physical body. often slowed by medical means such as formaldehyde.

in other words, rot.

[tinkerbell12]

deterioration of the physical body. often slowed by medical means such as formaldehyde.

in other words, rot.

Yea...

Shelby's right about that...

[meeshheartsdisney217]

i meant with you. like your mental being.

i know that things rot. i do take science class.

[Arielfn93]

deterioration of the physical body. often slowed by medical means such as formaldehyde.

in other words, rot.

Well, yes that happens, but I really wonder where our spirits go. I mean, if ghosts do exist I wonder how some get tied down to earth

[BabyPiglet]

It all depends on what you believe.

[Sparx]

Well, yes that happens, but I really wonder where our spirits go. I mean, if ghosts do exist I wonder how some get tied down to earth

what if they're not "tied down" but they're ALL here.:confused3

[Arielfn93]

It all depends on what you believe.

yeah, until you get there, but by that time, you wont be wondering about what happens when your dead

[Arielfn93]

what if they're not "tied down" but they're ALL here.:confused3

Yeah, you know stuff like this gets me confused, and then I'm spending the whole night thinking about stuff that nobody truly understands

[BabyPiglet]

yeah, until you get there, but by that time, you wont be wondering about what happens when your dead

I told you what I believe happens. But everyone has their own perception.

I read a book where the evil people of the world, the people who have done wrong, are trapped in a lake and they can't get out. They have no bodies, no nothing, but they still have a mind, they know they're trapped. They can't talk or do anything.

Whatever happen will happen, if we just feel like we take a nap it will happen.

Maybe we're all dead and this is just dream.

You never know.

[Arielfn93]

I told you what I believe happens. But everyone has their own perception.

I read a book where the evil people of the world, the people who have done wrong, are trapped in a lake and they can't get out. They have no bodies, no nothing, but they still have a mind, they know they're trapped. They can't talk or do anything.

Whatever happen will happen, if we just feel like we take a nap it will happen.

Maybe we're all dead and this is just dream.

You never know.

You never really do, or like in Grey's Anatomy
you go to a hospital and talk to all the dead people you knew

[BabyPiglet]

You never really do, or like in Grey's Anatomy
you go to a hospital and talk to all the dead people you knew

Heh xD

That would be interesting. Or maybe you go on with your life as it was, and you don't realize anything else happened? Or maybe you become something new, someone new? Or maybe you just keep reliving your life, but making it different each time. We don't know.

Or maybe the whole thing is a toy that some little toddler is playing with. Maybe that is what our world is.

It is completely unknown, you make it your own until you die, then you really know.

[tinkerbell12]

What about paranomality?

What's that all about?

[BabyPiglet]

What about paranomality?

What's that all about?

I really don't believe in the paranormal. I believe spirits leave this place no matter what.

But everyone believe differently. Your views?

[Lil_Tink]

I believe in paranorma to a certain extent. I believe in ghosts, but not demons or anything. I have just had way to many unexplainable situations.

[Sparx]

There was once a Twilight Zone episode of people that were trapped in a plastic town. Everything from the grass to the squirrel to the food in the cabinets of the houses was fake.

In truth, two little humans had been given to a giant toddler by his giant father, who just returned from a trip. Humans were but toys to him, to be put in his toy city.

[Loves Disney]

"Stuff" was the jobs you mentioned, the way we function. "Game" is the big picture of things.

That stuff might make our little world go round, but I don't think it means anything. Politics, it doesn't mean anything either. We were put on this Earth and this is what we chose to do. We chose to make these things and live off them, technology, it's all useless.

And why is what they know useless? They might know the most important facts ever. The things that tell us why we are. Why we are here, and doing what we do. It's very complicated.

If they know something we don't...why don't we know about it? It's because they don't do anything with it. If they do have some higher information about something, it is useless. You cannot say it isn't because if it wasn't useless, we would know about it. Useless means unusable. If they were able to use it, it would be used. It is NOT an opinion, it is a FACT that if they know something we don't it is USELESS. lol. Don't try to argue it otherwise because it is false. They do NOT use some higher intelligence that we don't know about. Therefore it is useless.

There are many different areas and levels of mental illnesses. It isn't one type. Each is a deteriation of the brain cells. They don't have what it takes to function properly. What they have are defects of the most important organ of our body. I would be willing to argue the fact that babies have a an intelligence we don't have before I argue that those with mental defects do.

The "stuff" you think doesn't mean anything is the stuff you live off of. Without it, we'd be dead. Take away your house, your food, your clothes, your friends and your neighbors. Take away your belongings and your most valued items. Take away everything and leave only the trees, grass, flowers, and everything else natural around you. Live like the cavemen did. Live like that now after you have had all of this. Could you live without your friends? Would you be happy to have no one to laugh with about what movie you saw last weekend or what you did the other night? Because that is a part of society and according to you, that means nothing. Could you live without the tasty food and salts or sweets and without your favorite juice or filtered water? Could you live without chocolate and without bread? Could you live without the stuff that tastes good willingly? Because that is what society has improved. They have taken the basic foods that we first discovered and made them better. They even discovered better food. But according to you, that means nothing. Could you live without your favorite music? Without the computer or without the TV? Could you live without the phone and other means of communication? Could you live without light at night? Those are things that society has invented but according to you...those mean nothing. Could you live in complete chaos and in war and in termination? Those are things a stable government keeps under control. Could you live without earning money, without work and without any income or way of earning a living? Those are things our government has developed to give people a chance at a decent life.

My point is...what this world runs on has been a process that improved on the basic standards of suriving. The evolution of life has brought us to where we are now. Yes, we make decisions...but we make decisions from what we have learned as a way of survival. We interact with others through our natural way of communicating such as animals communicate between each other. We have developed a way of living through what our species has naturally developed and our society has only made it more communicable and easier. Without our government, this country would be in complete chaos. We wouldn't have jobs or careers. We wouldn't have the things that keep us busy. We would be destroyed as a country and we would probably be speaking another language. But wait, if that isn't reality...no country would have organization and would also be in complete chaos. Therefore, this entire world would be in war and awful anarchy. We would destroy ourselves. The governements around the world interact (for the most part) for trade and for stable alliances. Importing and exporting has been a countinous thing and without government, we would not have nearly half the stuff we have now. Notice how many things are "Made in China"? lol.

That "stuff" IS reality because it is what our species has developed. We then make decisions from there but they are decisions we make as human beings. Therefore, it is real. This society is real and the way we survive is real because they are things that keep us alive and things that keep things in decent order...an order that allows us to decently interact with other civilizations. If all of that means nothing...then tell me what does? If what keeps us alive means nothing...perhaps we should all die because death would have to mean something, right? I believe in an afterlife...but that doesn't mean life means nothing because we were put on Earth for a reason (as least from what I believe) and since we are surviving decently and since our species has only grown since the dawn of time, we must be doing something right.

Everything we created is not useless because it's being used.

[BabyPiglet]

Good point Cat, but how do you know the mentally unstable aren't using what they know. In sone way we just can't identify with.

All the uses you mentioned those are all things to keep us busy, and no they're not technically useless, but they might not be able to help us in the bigger picture.

What is the bigger picture? I don't know. But I know that somethings that don't always make sense can make the most perfect sense in some way.

Again my point of view is very hard to explain, and like I normally do right when I had it in between my toes, I lost it.

Complicated.

[Loves Disney]

Good point Cat, but how do you know the mentally unstable aren't using what they know. In sone way we just can't identify with.

All the uses you mentioned those are all things to keep us busy, and no they're not technically useless, but they might not be able to help us in the bigger picture.

What is the bigger picture? I don't know. But I know that somethings that don't always make sense can make the most perfect sense in some way.

Again my point of view is very hard to explain, and like I normally do right when I had it in between my toes, I lost it.

Complicated.

How do we know they aren't using what they know? Because if it was that important to society and that major of an undiscovered intelligence, it would be recognized in all of these studies and tests done on them to treat their illness. Heck, if it was that huge of a thing, it would be visable to us. I am not saying they don't have some crazy intelligence, because I don't know (I don't believe they do but I don't know) what I do know is they don't use it. The fact that proves it's useless.

Food, clothing, housing, friendships, family...they just keep us busy. Okay lol. That is your opinion. But that's life and that is what we live on. We need food to survive. Without it we die. That is human nature...that is surving. Food does more than "keep us busy".

Reality is what we live. It's what we breathe, think and feel. Reality is us. The bigger picture in what? Reality? If so...those things I mentioned ARE the bigger picture and "technically" becomes most definitely. BabyPiglet, I am not sure why you think we don't need food, clothes, houses, jobs, friends, light, water, or communication abilities, but I do know without a lot of those things, we would die and cease to exist. That is the cold hard reality of life. It is what is real...believe it or not.

[BabyPiglet]

How do we know they aren't using what they know? Because if it was that important to society and that major of an undiscovered intelligence, it would be recognized in all of these studies and tests done on them to treat their illness. Heck, if it was that huge of a thing, it would be visable to us. I am not saying they don't have some crazy intelligence, because I don't know (I don't believe they do but I don't know) what I do know is they don't use it. The fact that proves it's useless.

Food, clothing, housing, friendships, family...they just keep us busy. Okay lol. That is your opinion. But that's life and that is what we live on. We need food to survive. Without we die. That is human nature...that is surving. Food does more than "keep us busy".

Reality is what we live. It's what we breathe, think and feel. Reality is us. The bigger picture in what? Reality? If so...those things I mentioned ARE the bigger picture and "technically" becomes most definitely. BabyPiglet, I am not sure why you think we don't need food, clothes, houses, jobs, friends, light, water, or communication abilities, but I do know without a lot of those things, we would die and cease to exist. That is the cold hard reality of life. It is what is real...believe it or not.

It's philosophy that is what I am talking about. We humans are so scared of death we do everything to prevent it. Food is important in our life on this planet, right now. How do you know, for sure, that we would cease to exist? This is could be only the first stage of life, of us. I don't what your beliefs are but maybe just maybe these things are not everything.

I don't know quite how to explain my point of view without continually repeating myself.

It's just what I think.

[Loves Disney]

It's philosophy that is what I am talking about. We humans are so scared of death we do everything to prevent it. Food is important in our life on this planet, right now. How do you know, for sure, that we would cease to exist? This is could be only the first stage of life, of us. I don't what your beliefs are but maybe just maybe these things are not everything.

I don't know quite how to explain my point of view without continually repeating myself.

It's just what I think.

We know you cannot survive without food because you die of starvation. People have died from the before. That is how we know we need food. lol. If you want to get into what there is in an afterlife, that is another thing. The conversation here is what is on Earth and that is life. Not what comes after death.

[Columba]

How do you know, for sure, that we would cease to exist? This is could be only the first stage of life, of us. I don't what your beliefs are but maybe just maybe these things are not everything.

Do you believe there is more when we die?

[BabyPiglet]

We know you cannot survive without food because you die of starvation. People have died from the before. That is how we know we need food. lol. If you want to get into what there is in an afterlife, that is another thing. The conversation here is what is on Earth and that is life. Not what comes after death.

I know you can't survive on this Earth without food. I believe there is more to life than this. I just can't explain it correctly so I won't even try. :)

[BabyPiglet]

Do you believe there is more when we die?

Yes I do.

[Loves Disney]

I know you can't survive on this Earth without food. I believe there is more to life than this. I just can't explain it correctly so I won't even try. :)

:rotfl: Well you just tried to argue to me that food and everything else we use in order to survive is not necessary to people. You contradict yourself here.

...Unless you believe that life on Earth isn't necessary and that we must all die to get the meaning of life across. If that is it, you must also believe there is absolutely no point in living.

[Sparx]

Do you believe there is more when we die?

what do you believe?

[BabyPiglet]

:rotfl: Well you just tried to argue to me that food and everything else we use in order to survive is not necessary to people. You contradict yourself here.

...Unless you believe that life on Earth isn't necessary and that we must all die to get the meaning of life across. If that is it, you must also believe there is absolutely no point in living.

Oh did I say that we didn't need food? I thought I said Jobs, and and government and stuff is useless. I did not mean to say we don't need food, I am just trying to say that there is more than this. And maybe this life just isn't as important as we think it is. Trust me though, I love my life here and don't want to die or move on anytime soon, but this is just what I think.

[Loves Disney]

Oh did I say that we didn't need food? I thought I said Jobs, and and government and stuff is useless. I did not mean to say we don't need food, I am just trying to say that there is more than this. And maybe this life just isn't as important as we think it is. Trust me though, I love my life here and don't want to die or move on anytime soon, but this is just what I think.

The government and jobs is factually NOT useless in this world. That is a false statement. ;)

[Columba]

Yes I do.

"Okay, to say the truth, people don't know what happens when you die. It could be a wonderful paradise for everyone, or could just be death. You're gone.


Either way, to me, if you kill someone you should be put to death. Because I believe when you just die, you die, that's it, no more. So if some dude took for example a young girls life, her freedom, herself, why shouldn't we take his.

But that's just my views and I respect everyones."


Found it on page 16 of the "Politically, what do you believe" thread.

[Loves Disney]

"Okay, to say the truth, people don't know what happens when you die. It could be a wonderful paradise for everyone, or could just be death. You're gone.


Either way, to me, if you kill someone you should be put to death. Because I believe when you just die, you die, that's it, no more. So if some dude took for example a young girls life, her freedom, herself, why shouldn't we take his.

But that's just my views and I respect everyones."


Found it on page 16 of the "Politically, what do you believe" thread.

Touche!

[Columba]

Touche!

Uber pwnage.

[Loves Disney]

Uber pwnage.

That was impressive. I must say. ;)

[Columba]

That was impressive. I must say. ;)

Thank you. :goodvibes

[Loves Disney]

Thank you. :goodvibes

You're welcome. :thumbsup2

[Sparx]

Uber pwnage.

that was amazing. you're my hero.

[Columba]

Autographs to the right, people.

[Loves Disney]

Autographs to the right people.

:rotfl: I was going to say...you are definitely loved tonight. lol.

[Sparx]

:rotfl: I was going to say...you are definitely loved tonight. lol.

its amazing the affection you get for proving someone wrong.

[Loves Disney]

its amazing the affection you get for proving someone wrong.

I don't doubt it lol.