Asking for id for a three year old

[nadinec]

My son will just be turned three when we go to WDW. Do they ask for ID if I try to get him in for free example for a 2 year old.What is WDW policey for checking the age of chlldren I am sure parents must of tried to pass a just turned three year old for a nearly three year old.

[Bob P]

Just a warning: be prepared to be flamed for asking this question.

[LisaNJ25]

try taking your trip earlier or pay for the ticket.

[dadof2]

popcorn::

[Familyofsix]

:duck: I think the room is getting hot. Where is that fire extingusher?

[Texas Rob]

I am new to this board and have enjoyed reading all the posts so far. I am a preacher, but I am not going to take my preaching up on this discussion forum. You ask if they are going to grill you will id? Probably not. How do you make someone prove the age of their child? However, they will probably ask your child how old he is...so be prepared to make your child lie.

On a side note, these types of questions I am sure will draw criticism. Everyone wants to save money, but is it worth the long term consequences? I remember when I was a kid my grandmother took me to eat and she walked out of the restraunt without paying. That was perhaps the most embarressing day of my life. I am sure none of us want to embaress our children or make them lie. But don't let me be the judge of your actions, this is the land of the free!

[addicted_to_WDW]

I have a really tall kid, who at 2 was taller than some 5 year olds. I was so concerned about the appearance that I was lying about his age that I carried his birth certificate everywhere.

Don't teach your kids that lying is ok as long as it saves you some money.

[kribit]

Disney asks you to provide the age of the child when you are travelling. Legally, they could ask so be prepared to pay up if you try to pull one over on them. :)

[myprincessgirlisa]

Be honest about this ...


Its the right thing to do

Its not worth the hassle you might cause on your trip or the annoyance you will cause the people in line behind you.

I did see an episode where an airline would not let a couple get on the plane till they got a fax copy of their kids birth certificate from the hospital...those people were really mad, but lucky for them they werent lieing, but imagine the embarassment if they would have been caught:scared1:

Id just pay & be honest :)

[CampbellScot]

popcorn::

I'll add a :stir: to your popcorn:: :rotfl:

Asking a loaded question like this on your first post? Troll much?:rolleyes2

[Savanah'sMom]

When is your son's birthday? Is in during the trip? As far as I know, if he is 2 on the day you check in, then Disney will concider him 2 for the duration of your trip. I may be wrong, but that is my understanding. Good lunck and you get no flames here. :goodvibes

[SueM in MN]

When is your son's birthday? Is in during the trip? As far as I know, if he is 2 on the day you check in, then Disney will concider him 2 for the duration of your trip.
You are correct about that.

I have seen CMs ask a child how old they are. Most 3 year olds are happy to tell everyone their age.

[tjmw2727]

I am not going to get into the should/shouldn't on this.

My experience on 2yo's:

We traveled to WDW with my nephew when he was about 2 1/2 and he was often engaged by a CM with very kind, and polite questions regarding his age. I remember this one clearly: "Hi there prince, are you excited for today, I hear Captain Hook is in the park so be on the look out, he is looking for lost boys today, so how old are you big guy?"

FF two years later with my neice who is a peanut and just under 3 on that trip, even today at almost 4 she wears 2t clothing. Not exact but something like: Hi princess, I hear Cinderella is in the park today - how old are you cutie? My sil said they did that all week, she didn't mind because they were very nice and her kids were not yet 3.

So, that said, WDW policy is that children 3 and over need an admission ticket.

Then, if someone does decide to try and "skirt that" and got into the park without a ticket for a child over 3 then there is the issue of FP's. You need an admission ticket to get a FP. CM's will waive in a child under two without a FP but prepare for perhaps even more questions to you or your child and the possibility that they won't allow you to ride if they think the child is over 3 and you don't all have a FP.

TJ

[mom2my3kids]

My son turned 3 while we were there. I had no problems with getting him in for free because he was 2 when we started the trip. I don't see a problem with it as long as he looks his age.

[LisaNJ25]

When is your son's birthday? Is in during the trip? As far as I know, if he is 2 on the day you check in, then Disney will concider him 2 for the duration of your trip. I may be wrong, but that is my understanding. Good lunck and you get no flames here. :goodvibes

yes, thats true. My oldest dd turned 3 on out last trip 5 years ago and this summer my youngest daughter will turn 3. i will make sure i bring a cop of her birth certificate just like i did last trip.

[all4fun]

I'll add a :stir: to your popcorn:: :rotfl:

Asking a loaded question like this on your first post? Troll much?:rolleyes2

That's what I was thinking...
My son turned 3 while we were there. I had no problems with getting him in for free because he was 2 when we started the trip. I don't see a problem with it as long as he looks his age.

It is also the policy at WDW if your dc turns from 2 to 3 after the start of your vacation then they are considered to be two for the remainder of the trip. This is only true if the childs birthday falls during the trip. Same goes for if the child turns ten while on the trip: they will be allowed to continue entering the park with a child pass for that trip only. Think of it as a little birthday present. :)

[dunnhorn]

Please don't flame me for what I'm about to say - it is honest, and it is our decision. If it makes you uncomfortable - please don't read...

Our kids birthdays are in September, and we have taken a big December trip every year. As it turned out, at some points in these vacations our kids were 3 and 3 months, respectively, when we went. We did not get them a ticket and we were never asked at all.

First off - why??? We go to Disney about 3 or 4 times a year and all and all I can attest that Disney gets plenty of dough from us. I didn't particularly feel guilty, because the rest of us had annual passes, and the youngest kid (3 years 3 months) really didn't ride anything other than an occasional Small World, Carrousel or watched a parade. Seriously - our kids were not adventurous at that age, so we were actually spending more $$ when you think of counter service costs, souveniers, etc (which we definitely bought.) We will continue to go there multiple times a year for the rest of our lives, so over time that one trip will really come out in the wash. Plus - since we had annual passes, we would have either had to buy a totally new annual pass for the just turned 3 kid (with new expiration dates different from the family) or park hopper that would just sit, because we would be buying a new AP the following year. And really when you buy an annual pass it is not like Disney gets a buck for each time you enter. Anyway, I can justify it all day long - but the bottom line is that either you feel comfortable doing it or you don't. There are certainly excellent arguments for both, so I would say do what is in your comfort zone and what, all things considered, would be reasonable for everyone involved.

That said - if you want to do it, my best advice is to try to keep the kid from talking. Size won't distinguish a 2, 3 or 4 year old necessarily, but verbal ability will. I wasn't the least bit worried when my now 5 year old was 3 years 3 months, because he was sitting in the double stroller next to his sister who was 2 years younger, and therefore he looked younger. However, when she was 3 years 3 months, she could really talk well... plus he was huge so I wasn't quite as confident.

Anyway - remember that 3 is generally the universal age when most kids can tell you how old they are, so if you are worried try to make sure you just go through quickly so CM won't talk to you or child.

However, what we found is - by and large CMs don't care. The wait staff doesn't care at a buffet, because they are looking for a better tip. They aren't going to cross examine you - and for that reason we tipped VERY well if we ever took her to a buffet (she ate like next to nothing.) The front guard folks generally don't care either. Just carry the child in, or put child in a stroller and give them something to eat/drink or a map to look at so they won't talk.

I wouldn't push it past a couple months though.

[Hannathy]

And for all the folks who steal by not paying for their 3 yr olds remember this when Disney adjusts the free age to under 2 or even under 1 like Sesame Place. I think Disney is quite generous with 3 yrs of age, but If people keep cheating I see them lowering it soon like they did with the dining age.

[Texas Rob]

I am going to cordially disagree with the last poster. Disney is hardly generious with 3 year olds. It is ridiculous to pay for a child who is going to hardly ride any rides, eat very little food and do very much at a theme park. I would like to find out what the free age was when Walt Disney first opened Disneyland. That might change my disagreement.

Again, I cordially disagree, not trying to be a pain. :banana:

[dunnhorn]

Yes, the fact is that if we were forced to buy a ticket for our just-turned 3 year old, we would have probably waited, and then Disney wouldn't have gotten the money for our ENTIRE trip. So - who lost money -- ?

Anyway - different strokes for different folks. I am comfortable with our decision, but if you are not comfortable with the decision it is easy - don't do it.

There are shows that come to our town and every seat requires a ticket for anyone over the age of 1. The tickets are 40 bucks - we don't go to those either because I'd rather save for Disney.

My guess is that Disney is not going to go bankrupt because the number of "free" 3 year olds taking up floor seats at Playhouse Disney or stroller space in a parade. My kids at that age did no other attractions - if Disney forced us to pay for a 2 year old, well... we probably wouldn't have gone as much as we did.

It is quite another thing to lower the age of the upper end of a childs meal, especially when the DDP is so popular. It just forces more folks to eat counter service, which is the great equalizer. Plus, the price difference is only like five bucks or so - not 45.

[Deb & Bill]

There are lots of people who can't ride the rides. There are lots of people confined to wheelchairs who cannot get out of them to ride. Yet, they go and they pay admission. There is plenty for everyone at WDW. Even the little kids under 3 love to see the characters. Should they be banned from any character contact because they didn't pay to enter the park???

If your child is three years old or older when you arrive at WDW, you are required to pay admission for them to enter the park.

[Hannathy]

I would like to find out what the free age was when Walt Disney first opened Disneyland. That might change my disagreement.

:banana:

As far as I know they paid the same as everyone because then you needed a ticket for every ride so they had to pay for tickets. And really at Disney there are very few rides that a 3 yr old can't go on, esp. if you read these boards with the size of the kids being talked about on here.

[DizneeMommy]

Question: I'm on the other end of the spectrum. My son is about to turn 9 this month, which makes him at the upper end of the child's DDP. He is VERY tall for his age (I'm 6' and hubby is 6'5"). Would you recommend that I take a copy of his birth cert. just in case? Will anyone question? (We have had to prove his age at his basketball games, football, etc. because the other coaches didn't believe he was within the age bracket! I've even overheard parents from other teams commenting on "that tall kid can't be 8!") I don't mind proving his age--I just hadn't thought about it until I read this thread!!

105 days until my kids' first trip!!!!
:banana:

[dunnhorn]

There are lots of people who can't ride the rides. There are lots of people confined to wheelchairs who cannot get out of them to ride. Yet, they go and they pay admission. .

Don't even try to sell the idea that the wheelchair folks don't ride rides.... all of us know that is not true. There are special accommodations in just about every ride (except for thrill) for those in wheelchairs. Even IASW has special boats for disabled to make wheelchair transfer easy, and there are special Doom Buggies for wheelchair. (Btw, my 3 year old wouldn't ride either one of those attractions.) Even the maps have a diagram of which rides require transfer, stay in wheelchair/ECV etc. Some months there are more ECVs there than strollers.

Like I said before - only you know your kid, your situation and your comfort level. If you aren't comfortable, don't do it.

[dunnhorn]

Question: Would you recommend that I take a copy of his birth cert. just in case?

Our experience is that servers don't question things. If they question, they can always ask the child who doesn't lie. I personally would not carry around a copy of a birth certificate for risk of losing it/identity theft.

[addicted_to_WDW]

The bottom line is that some people are comfortable breaking the rules and teaching their children that it's ok to lie. I choose otherwise.

To the poster who has a tall kid (like mine): My son has been a head or more taller than most kids his age his entire life. Though I used to take his birth certificate with me, I was never questioned. It felt good to be prepared, however.

[LisaNJ25]

Question: I'm on the other end of the spectrum. My son is about to turn 9 this month, which makes him at the upper end of the child's DDP. He is VERY tall for his age (I'm 6' and hubby is 6'5"). Would you recommend that I take a copy of his birth cert. just in case? Will anyone question? (We have had to prove his age at his basketball games, football, etc. because the other coaches didn't believe he was within the age bracket! I've even overheard parents from other teams commenting on "that tall kid can't be 8!") I don't mind proving his age--I just hadn't thought about it until I read this thread!!

105 days until my kids' first trip!!!!
:banana:

I did and will this trip... I forgot to mention in my post my son was 9 turning 10 6 weeks after are trip also. He looked older.. I was never questioned with either kids but I would rather be safe than sorry.

I am sure my dd may say 3 if asked during my summer trip.. since we will talk about her birthday before we go..

[Jennyvelaz]

Please don't flame me for what I'm about to say - it is honest, and it is our decision. If it makes you uncomfortable - please don't read...
Just carry the child in, or put child in a stroller and give them something to eat/drink or a map to look at so they won't talk.

I wouldn't push it past a couple months though.

It doesn't make me uncomfortable, so I read it.
I had a question like this within my first five posts, so I have been here. I posted and was flamed but I came to understand those flames. You are going on a vacation and enjoying your children at a beautiful, clean amusement/resort. If your child is 3 or older that is part of the vacation. If you don't want to pay, then choose another vacation. You are a consumer who enjoys the product (I hope) so pay for it and reap the pleasure from your 3 year old. Be proud to pay for them, as they are proud to be 3, instead of complaining how Disney already makes enough from your family. I understand where the OP is coming from, it can be expensive to plan and some try to "budget " in shady areas. Please do not judge them with their first post or encourage behavior to get by.
Next they'll cut your child in the character line, push over a lark, occupied by someone who really doesn't need one, to take the last seat on the bus. (Those are the usuals, right?:stir: )

[Texas Rob]

Great point Jennyvelaz! I hadn't thought about it in that light (although I would never think of asking my kid's to lie and I always try to be as honest as possible, hey we make mistakes right?).

[dunnhorn]

The bottom line is that some people are comfortable breaking the rules and teaching their children that it's ok to lie. I choose otherwise.

Oh, please. Teaching my children to lie? If you want to get personal about this - I could make a comment about teaching your children to be judgmental.

[Texas Rob]

I apologize if I have offended anyone by saying I would feel wrong in asking my child to lie. That is my beliefs and I don't wish to push that on anyone on this board.

[LisaNJ25]

I apologize if I have offended anyone by saying I would feel wrong in asking my child to lie. That is my beliefs and I don't wish to push that on anyone on this board.

You have no reason to apologize texasRob... you are teaching your child the right thing.

[addicted_to_WDW]

Oh, please. Teaching my children to lie? If you want to get personal about this - I could make a comment about teaching your children to be judgmental.

Oh please, so what are you doing then? Telling people that Junior is 2 in front of Junior is telling Junior that it is cool to lie if it saves a few bucks. "Mommy, I'm 3." "Hush now, don't let anyone hear you."

Look at it this way - the grocery store makes a bunch of money off of me too, but it doesn't mean that I should help myself to a free steak every once in a while because of it.

[dunnhorn]

It Be proud [/B]to pay for them, as they are proud to be 3, instead of complaining how Disney already makes enough from your family. I understand where the OP is coming from, it can be expensive to plan and some try to "budget " in shady areas. Please do not judge them with their first post or encourage behavior to get by.


Actually, it is not just about the money. For us, there was absolutely no measurable difference between the enjoyment our children had at Disney when going at two years eleven months and three years three months. The only difference is Disney's rules, and if I really thought we were "stealing" or "teaching our children to lie" then we wouldn't have done it. I have never asked either of our children to say anything that is not true, and I really don't appreciate the inference.

I appreciate those of you who are not throwing self-righteous and judgmental barbs at those of us who make different choices. Actually I have never tried to convince anyone of our point of view - I just have said that it is a personal decision, and folks need to do what they feel is best for their situation.

Regardless - I have work to do tonight and it appears that I have used this as a vehicle to procrastinate that work. I am finished with the debate and won't be engaging anymore ... I just wanted to give feedback to the individual who started the question by sharing our experiences and to others who may have the same questions but were not brave enough to step into the fray.

Best regards to all, and I'll see you on the list! :hippie:

[PrincessGracie]

Please don't flame me for what I'm about to say - it is honest, and it is our decision. If it makes you uncomfortable - please don't read...

Our kids birthdays are in September, and we have taken a big December trip every year. As it turned out, at some points in these vacations our kids were 3 and 3 months, respectively, when we went. We did not get them a ticket and we were never asked at all.

First off - why??? We go to Disney about 3 or 4 times a year and all and all I can attest that Disney gets plenty of dough from us. I didn't particularly feel guilty, because the rest of us had annual passes, and the youngest kid (3 years 3 months) really didn't ride anything other than an occasional Small World, Carrousel or watched a parade. Seriously - our kids were not adventurous at that age, so we were actually spending more $$ when you think of counter service costs, souveniers, etc (which we definitely bought.) We will continue to go there multiple times a year for the rest of our lives, so over time that one trip will really come out in the wash. Plus - since we had annual passes, we would have either had to buy a totally new annual pass for the just turned 3 kid (with new expiration dates different from the family) or park hopper that would just sit, because we would be buying a new AP the following year. And really when you buy an annual pass it is not like Disney gets a buck for each time you enter. Anyway, I can justify it all day long - but the bottom line is that either you feel comfortable doing it or you don't. There are certainly excellent arguments for both, so I would say do what is in your comfort zone and what, all things considered, would be reasonable for everyone involved.

That said - if you want to do it, my best advice is to try to keep the kid from talking. Size won't distinguish a 2, 3 or 4 year old necessarily, but verbal ability will. I wasn't the least bit worried when my now 5 year old was 3 years 3 months, because he was sitting in the double stroller next to his sister who was 2 years younger, and therefore he looked younger. However, when she was 3 years 3 months, she could really talk well... plus he was huge so I wasn't quite as confident.

Anyway - remember that 3 is generally the universal age when most kids can tell you how old they are, so if you are worried try to make sure you just go through quickly so CM won't talk to you or child.

However, what we found is - by and large CMs don't care. The wait staff doesn't care at a buffet, because they are looking for a better tip. They aren't going to cross examine you - and for that reason we tipped VERY well if we ever took her to a buffet (she ate like next to nothing.) The front guard folks generally don't care either. Just carry the child in, or put child in a stroller and give them something to eat/drink or a map to look at so they won't talk.

I wouldn't push it past a couple months though.

OK...I just couldn't resist this thread...

Don't flame you????? Why shouldn't we?????

This is not even about the money!!!! It's about ethics!!!!!!!!!!

Are you that cheap that you can't pay for a ticket that you ETHICLY should pay for???? What is this teaching your kids?????

Disney rarely asks the ages because they expect parents to tell the truth.

And I agree with a previous poster that because of situations like this, pretty soon Disney will be charging the 1 and 2 year olds. How fair is that???

If you don't want to pay...DON'T GO!!!!!

OK...I'm done....

[Texas Rob]

Remind me never to cross PrincessGracie.....:banana: :banana: :banana:

[happycampers]

DD2 turns 3 in Oct. We were originally planning a trip in Nov., a month after she turns 3. I wanted Nov. for the temps during the school break. I didn't want summer for the temps and humidity. For ethical reasons, we went ahead and changed our trip dates to avoid paying for her. We are going in May since our oldest gets out of school earlier than many others. It'll be warmer, but I'm sure they will enjoy it anyway.

I couldn't look my older kids 5 and 11 in the face if they heard me tell someone she was 2 in order to get her in for free.

[SueM in MN]

Don't even try to sell the idea that the wheelchair folks don't ride rides.... all of us know that is not true. There are special accommodations in just about every ride (except for thrill) for those in wheelchairs. Even IASW has special boats for disabled to make wheelchair transfer easy, and there are special Doom Buggies for wheelchair. (Btw, my 3 year old wouldn't ride either one of those attractions.) Even the maps have a diagram of which rides require transfer, stay in wheelchair/ECV etc. Some months there are more ECVs there than strollers.
Having traveled to WDW for the past 18 years with someone using a wheelchair, I need to clarify and correct what you wrote.

There is a special boat wheelchair accessible boat for IASW, but the special Doom Buggies don't allow a person using a wheelchair to stay in the wheelchair - they just have a wider door to make the transfer a bit easier. Even with the wider door, it's not an easy transfer. Most of the attractions at MK require a transfer and many of them are hard transfers (not easy to lift someone down into a POC boat and Peter Pan is close to impossible because the moving walkway on that ride can't be stopped.)
If someone can't get out of their wheelchair, or can't get out easily, there are many attractions that are not accessible to them. Because AK and the Studio were built fairly recently, they have more attractions that are completly accessible, but there are attractions even in those parks that are not accessible to people using wheelchairs unless they can get out of the wheelchair and make a transfer to the ride car.
Many of the special wheelchair ride cars will not accomidate all wheelchairs; some wheelchairs don't fit.

This is the list from the official WDW site that require a transfer out of a wheelchair:
MK
Attractions requiring Guests to transfer from their wheelchair to board the attraction include:

Astro Orbiter
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
Cinderella's Golden Carousel
Dumbo the Flying Elephant
Mad Tea Party
Main Street Vehicles
Mad Tea Party
Peter Pan's Flight
Pirates of the Caribbean
Snow White's Scary Adventures
Space Mountain®
Splash Mountain®
Swiss Family Treehouse - Guest must be ambulatory
The Barnstormer at Goofy's Wiseacre Farm
The Haunted Mansion
Tomorrowland® Indy Speedway

Epcot
Wonders of Life: Body Wars (seasonal)
Norway: Maelstrom
Mission: SPACE
Spaceship Earth
Test Track
The Land: Soarin'™

Studio
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster® starring Aerosmith
Star Tours
"The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror™"

AK
DINOSAUR
Expedition Everest™
Primeval Whirl
Kali River Rapids

[CampbellScot]

Actually, it is not just about the money. For us, there was absolutely no measurable difference between the enjoyment our children had at Disney when going at two years eleven months and three years three months. The only difference is Disney's rules, and if I really thought we were "stealing" or "teaching our children to lie" then we wouldn't have done it. I have never asked either of our children to say anything that is not true, and I really don't appreciate the inference.

I appreciate those of you who are not throwing self-righteous and judgmental barbs at those of us who make different choices. Actually I have never tried to convince anyone of our point of view - I just have said that it is a personal decision, and folks need to do what they feel is best for their situation.

Regardless - I have work to do tonight and it appears that I have used this as a vehicle to procrastinate that work. I am finished with the debate and won't be engaging anymore ... I just wanted to give feedback to the individual who started the question by sharing our experiences and to others who may have the same questions but were not brave enough to step into the fray.

Best regards to all, and I'll see you on the list! :hippie:

if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

you are telling a lie to get out of paying for your kid. You are breaking the rules. Period. There is no way around it. It's not like you are choosing to feed your child a macrobiotic diet...a lot of people wouldn't agree with it, but THAT is a personal choice you are entitled to...flat out lying b/c you feel above the rules is not something you should even try to defend. You were actually instructing the OP (who was totally a troll by the way...and I'm totally giving that person what they want by responding...) to "distract" their child and keep them from talking around CM's at the gate...are you kidding me? I'm not infering anything...You are asking your child to lie...instructing him NOT to do something he CAN do so that he appears younger is asking your child to LIE by omission...you are CLOAKING your child in deception. You are encouraging others to lie. It's WRONG. It ends up costing everyone. Trying to defend yourself or even acting offended is rediculous. You put it out there that you lie. So deal with the consequences of your actions.

there is nothing to debate. There is no fray. Telling a lie to get around the rules is not okay. You know it's true.

now that I have fed the troll I will go to bed now. :goodvibes

[Mouse House Mama]

My son turned 3 while we were there. I had no problems with getting him in for free because he was 2 when we started the trip. I don't see a problem with it as long as he looks his age.

Well if we are only going by what age people look then many of us would have to pay for our very tall 2 year olds! If your kid is 2 then he/she doesn't pay. If they are 3 or older they pay. It's very simple. If you kid turns 3 on a trip then they are 2 when the trip starts so no ticket needed. I can never understand why people want their kids to lie.....:confused3

[tjmw2727]

The simple fact is that Disney charges admission for children 3 and over. If you sneak your 3yo in as a 2yo you are breaking the rules plain and simple. It dosen't matter if you got caught or not nor if you think "Disney Cares" there is a rule in place.

You can justify a decision to break the rules many ways but you have still broken the rule. Only 5 rides in the MK have a height restriction so 3yo's can ride over 90% of the attractions available and enjoy all the shows and parades.

If you don't like the rule then you have the opportunity to take your $$ elsewhere but IMHO not liking a rule isn't a reason to break it.

TJ

[WantToGoNow]

If you don't want your children to lie, then don't teach them to do it. Not paying for a ticket for a child that rightfully should have one is stealing - plain and simple. The rules say children 3-9 must have a ticket -- if your child is 3, even if only by a day, then they need a ticket.

We went in November and my daughter turned 3 the beginning of December. We went in November so we would be before her birthday and she would be free. Next time, we will pay for her. By the way, we did have several occasions during our 9-day trip where she was asked how old she was. I sure wouldn't have wanted to drill my innocent little child on lying about how old she was.

Rules are rules people. What if it were YOUR company people were stealing from. It doesn't matter how much Disney makes -- it's still a corporation and it's no different from the little bakery on the corner -- would you walk out of there without paying for your donut?

[Deb & Bill]

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[kaysmommie]

If you don't want your children to lie, then don't teach them to do it. Not paying for a ticket for a child that rightfully should have one is stealing - plain and simple. The rules say children 3-9 must have a ticket -- if your child is 3, even if only by a day, then they need a ticket.

We went in November and my daughter turned 3 the beginning of December. We went in November so we would be before her birthday and she would be free. Next time, we will pay for her. By the way, we did have several occasions during our 9-day trip where she was asked how old she was. I sure wouldn't have wanted to drill my innocent little child on lying about how old she was.

Rules are rules people. What if it were YOUR company people were stealing from. It doesn't matter how much Disney makes -- it's still a corporation and it's no different from the little bakery on the corner -- would you walk out of there without paying for your donut?


I agree :thumbsup2 . My DS2 will turn 3 before our trip and I already bought his hopper ticket for the trip. He is on the small side I guess and could pass for 2 but that is stealing. I would rather be honest especially in front of my kids.

[zdesiree]

If right now you are having doubts of doing it, that means that you know that is not right, and if you do it anyway, you will have that on your mind for the rest of the trip and you won't be able to enjoy the trip completely.

When we went on December 2005, my girl just turned 3 in September and she was and still is very petite. Sometimes people still asked me if she was 2 years old when she was almost 4, so I know I wouldn't have that problem because she looked like a 2 years old. But honestly that idea didn't even go through my mind, I just bought her ticket, and believe me we are a family of five, so is quite expensive and a sacrifice to take the whole family to Disney.

If you are in a hurry, that doesn't mean that you will pass all the red lights, because you know that can bring bad consequences to you and your family for a bad decision you made.

[Texas Rob]

Here is a crazy thought I had while reading these posts...how many of you who would not have your children lie (including myself!) would also buy the resorts mugs and bring them back on consequent years to use in the commisary to refill with soda. Disney allows you to buy a mug and get free refills for the year you go, but many take back their mugs.

Is this the same principle of ethics? I have seen probably hundreds of different year mugs in the commissary at disney resorts.

Sorry if I am steering this off topic....:banana: :banana: :banana:

[beattyfamily]

Here is a crazy thought I had while reading these posts...how many of you who would not have your children lie (including myself!) would also buy the resorts mugs and bring them back on consequent years to use in the commisary to refill with soda. Disney allows you to buy a mug and get free refills for the year you go, but many take back their mugs.

Is this the same principle of ethics? I have seen probably hundreds of different year mugs in the commissary at disney resorts.

Sorry if I am steering this off topic....:banana: :banana: :banana:

I follow the rules. I do not bring mugs back on future trips (a pretty tacky thing to do, IMHO). I think they are the same kind of ethics although I feel that sneaking a kid in is a bit worse due to the 'lying' factor and the fact that its $300 your getting out of it vs. $10 for a mug but they are both wrong, IMHO.

I thought we weren't suppose to discuss ways to break Disney's rules or whether we should break them or not here on the DIS. :confused3

These threads always get nasty. Those who do it justify it by saying Disney won't miss the money or my kid can't ride that many rides anyway etc... and then they like to call those who don't agree "judgmental" or "moral police" "holier than thou" and "don't you ever break rules?" "don't you ever speed?" those who say its wrong will say its "stealing", and "lying", and get those who think its alright all upset!

This seems like a strange/controversal thread for a first-time poster. :confused3

Lets let it go....

[Texas Rob]

Lets let it go....

agreed and sorry fueling the fire from my part.

[dfarner]

My son will just be turned three when we go to WDW. Do they ask for ID if I try to get him in for free example for a 2 year old.What is WDW policey for checking the age of chlldren I am sure parents must of tried to pass a just turned three year old for a nearly three year old.

Will you be flying? The cutoff age for a free seat is 2-why don't you try pulling one over on the airlines as well?
Hey, while you're at it, why don't you hit Universal and SeaWorld?

[DawnM]

My son turns three this Sunday, March 4th. We are hoping to make a trip in May. We will pay. I dont' answer to Disney, but I do have to answer to myself and live with my choices. If I can't trust a person's words I can't trust anything about them.....that is the way I look at it.

Dawn

[DaisyLynn]

I rarely post on these threads...and when I do, I'm usually a "threadkiller"! ;) But I have to say...wow! I can't even believe what I'm reading. I have no opinion on this matter because I have no children, I pay for me, and I genuinely don't care what other people do or teach their kids (other than abuse, of course...that's wrong). I haven't payed attention to who said what or who made what assumptions about whichever poster, but by golly...this thread sounds like a 6th grade classrom! :teacher: Even if you don't agree with what someone has done, can't you atleast respect them as a human being and not put "words into their posts"?

Again, while I follow the "rules", I don't care who sneaks in a three year old or who uses strollers as battering rams or who reuses mugs or who pool hops or who makes multiple ADRs for the same time or any other flameworthy thread. What does bother me is when fellow posters get a butt whooping on the boards for simply explaining the their experience and offering another view. I'm all for a healthy debate, but a few of the replies have been downright nasty (really, only a few...but it was enough to make me feel like I've gotta say something).

Ok...sorry to anyone who feels I may have offended them and sorry for busting in the thread like this and sorry if you don't like what I said. Really, I am sorry. :grouphug: I don't want to ruffle feathers...just had to say something because I felt bad for an honest poster who had a few of her fellow DISers say some really nasty comments.

We cool? :flower3:

[dvcnewgirl]

And for all the folks who steal by not paying for their 3 yr olds remember this when Disney adjusts the free age to under 2 or even under 1 like Sesame Place. I think Disney is quite generous with 3 yrs of age, but If people keep cheating I see them lowering it soon like they did with the dining age.

I hope this doesn't happen to punish all of us. To be honest when my daughter just turned 3 I felt like I was the only one paying for my 3 yo. A lot of people do not pay and I would hate to have to pay for my son at 2 because of it.:confused3

[Zoesmama03]

They didn't ask us for anything but she was only 2 years 3 months. And then they gave my husband and I kids rate. LOL We went back right away when we realized it was not adult tickets.


I think if someone was gonna question it would be at the gate. Better to just pay though. Its reduced rate.

[CampbellScot]

I rarely post on these threads...and when I do, I'm usually a "threadkiller"! ;) But I have to say...wow! I can't even believe what I'm reading. I have no opinion on this matter because I have no children, I pay for me, and I genuinely don't care what other people do or teach their kids (other than abuse, of course...that's wrong). I haven't payed attention to who said what or who made what assumptions about whichever poster, but by golly...this thread sounds like a 6th grade classrom! :teacher: Even if you don't agree with what someone has done, can't you atleast respect them as a human being and not put "words into their posts"?

Again, while I follow the "rules", I don't care who sneaks in a three year old or who uses strollers as battering rams or who reuses mugs or who pool hops or who makes multiple ADRs for the same time or any other flameworthy thread. What does bother me is when fellow posters get a butt whooping on the boards for simply explaining the their experience and offering another view. I'm all for a healthy debate, but a few of the replies have been downright nasty (really, only a few...but it was enough to make me feel like I've gotta say something).

Ok...sorry to anyone who feels I may have offended them and sorry for busting in the thread like this and sorry if you don't like what I said. Really, I am sorry. :grouphug: I don't want to ruffle feathers...just had to say something because I felt bad for an honest poster who had a few of her fellow DISers say some really nasty comments.

We cool? :flower3:

It's frustrating for those of us who pay for our children to go into the parks when others don't. Especially when they come to a high traffic Disney board and brag about it and ENCOURAGE others to lie and steal as well. Why? Because it affects all of us cost wise in the end. Why have rules at all? Taking an "I don't care what others do" stance is just as bad. Do shoplifters not bother you either? Because their stealing raises the prices for everyone. Consumers have a right to be angry when the lack of ethics in others raises prices for those of us who have some morals.

Placid acceptance of wrong doing is just as bad as doing it yourself.

A troll started this thread and I have GOT to stop coming here...but I can't stand it when people make statements about not caring when others break the rules. That attitude is RUINING this country.

[sha_lyn]

follow the rules. I do not bring mugs back on future trips (a pretty tacky thing to do, IMHO). I think they are the same kind of ethics although I feel that sneaking a kid in is a bit worse due to the 'lying' factor and the fact that its $300 your getting out of it vs. $10 for a mug but they are both wrong, IMHO.

ITA

Great example of how lying confuses /affects kids.
We were in the theater watching a Disney movie a couple of yrs ago. The girl sitting behind DD started talking to her. Age came up and the girl girl said "at home I'm 4, but at the theater I'm 2 because daddy isn't paying for me to see a stupid disney movie"

And for all the folks who steal by not paying for their 3 yr olds remember this when Disney adjusts the free age to under 2 or even under 1 like Sesame Place. I think Disney is quite generous with 3 yrs of age, but If people keep cheating I see them lowering it soon like they did with the dining age.

What I wish they would do, is go to height based ticket prices like SF does.
It's sort of hard to lie about ones height (well other than the stuffing of shoes to get kids past the height restrictions on rides, but that is another debate)

[Zoesmama03]

What I wish they would do, is go to height based ticket prices like SF does.
It's sort of hard to lie about ones height (well other than the stuffing of shoes to get kids past the height restrictions on rides, but that is another debate)



That is an idea. Since rides are based on height and I think the idea behind free admission is because they don't get to do as much stuff. But my problem with that is that just because they are taller doesn't mean they'd be ready to actually ride those rides.

[DaisyLynn]

Placid acceptance of wrong doing is just as bad as doing it yourself.

A troll started this thread and I have GOT to stop coming here...but I can't stand it when people make statements about not caring when others break the rules. That attitude is RUINING this country.

I just wanted to get my point across that I have no stance on this issue...I don't have children. I don't pay or not pay for any child at all. As far as me not caring, what you do with your children is not my place. I said I don't care WHO does these things...I never said I didn't care that it happened. I know it happens and it will continue to happen, whether any of us like it or not. I'm not going to string up someone who is offering another side that I may disagree with. That was the point of my post. I'm sorry if it was confusing.

I do have to disagree with the statement "Placid acceptance of wrong doing is just as bad as doing it yourself." I'm a bit offended by this, I have to admit. To me, it sounds like you believe that I would do the same in the situation. I wouldn't. And I never said I accepted it. I simply acknowledged the opinions and experience of another, respectfully. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.

[CampbellScot]

This is not an issue in which people can just "agree to disagree". Stealing is illegal. It's against the law. Respectfully acknowledging another's choice to steal?! :confused3 I don't get it.

If we as consumers do not voice our anger at the choices of others that in turn effect us...we are all but saying..."Please don't follow the rules. We don't mind". But we DO mind. It DOES make us angry. We are the ones who have the right to be offended and angry. People who steal and lie and encourage others to steal and lie choose to risk the displeasure of others. It's the nature of the beast.

I'm just sick to death of people winking at the breaking of the rules that are in place for a reason. I'm sick of my life and the lives of my family and fellow consumers and Disney lovers for that matter having choices in their lives altered by the refusal to follow the rules by others. When you steal and break the rules Disney must respond by raising prices and making stricter rules. Maybe a family that could afford to go when their baby was still just one or two...won't be able to go in the future b/c of the people you are repsectfully acknowledging...

this could go on and on...but I'm sure you get my point. i'm tired of this kind of thing. I'm tired of people thinking that their needs and their children's needs are more important than anyone elses. No manners, no respect for rules or the rights of others...

before long the park will be filled with kids who were sneaked in, wearing heelys and smoking in non smoking sections of the park...:rolleyes:

:upsidedow

[sha_lyn]

But my problem with that is that just because they are taller doesn't mean they'd be ready to actually ride those rides.

IMHO height would be a better standard to base price ve age.
While I see your point, there will always be people who can't/won't do everything that they can.
IE... my DH hates coasters, I could complain that there should be a lower ticket price for him. My mom has severe motion sickness. She could expect a lower ticket because she can't do simulators. There are people with physical dificulities/injuries etc that can't ride anything/everything.

This is not an issue in which people can just "agree to disagree". Stealing is illegal. It's against the law. Respectfully acknowledging another's choice to steal?! I don't get it.


ITA. I don't get the argument either. It isn't "none of my business" when someone break the law.
In the past people have said that breaking WDW policy isn't "breaking the law". However there are several laws that could apply. In the case of not buying a ticket for a 3 yr old, it would be theft of services. While people really don't think about it, by purchasing a ticket to WDW, you are accepting to their terms of agreement.

[Hannathy]

CampbellScot I didn't want to repeat your whole post but I totally agree! Great Post. What a great summation of too many people now a days!

[bellarella]

I do have to disagree with the statement "Placid acceptance of wrong doing is just as bad as doing it yourself." I'm a bit offended by this, I have to admit. To me, it sounds like you believe that I would do the same in the situation. I wouldn't. And I never said I accepted it. I simply acknowledged the opinions and experience of another, respectfully. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.


From an ethical point of view I totally agree with this statement of the other poster. It is right along the lines of the one that says all that evil needs is for good men to do nothing. If you casually stood next to someone as they were killing someone and did nothing you would be just as guilty. Just because the "crime" is less doesn't change the ethics involved. Inaction is not morally neutral. The choice to not act or intervene is just as much an action as the choice to actively do something. Just because you wouldn't actually do that thing doesn't make it better if you choose to stand by when others do.

There really isn't much to argue about the facts. Saying a child is 2 when they are 3 is lying. There isn't anything to debate. Bringing a child in to Disney who is over 3 without purchasing a ticket is stealing. Again, nothing to debate. It's a matter of law. You can try to *justify* breaking the law and lying, but you don't get to deny that lying and stealing is taking place.

[tjmw2727]

That is an idea. Since rides are based on height and I think the idea behind free admission is because they don't get to do as much stuff. But my problem with that is that just because they are taller doesn't mean they'd be ready to actually ride those rides.

True - but this can be said for any type of admission structure. My 12yo actually rides less than my 9yo at WDW but she pays more. They are both tall enough to ride everything in the 4 major parks but yet my 9yo still gets the discount.

FWIW I do like the idea of a pricing structure based on height because height is an imposed restriciton. If a child is under 40 they can not ride XX but if a child is over 40" they can - if they (or the parents) choose to.

We visited a water park last summer and my youngest dd just missed the height for the most expensive ticket. I soon saw why - there were only a very few slides she could ride that she was interested in. For a 9yo she is small and the kiddie slides were not fun for her so she was restricted from the slides she wanted to ride. In this case the discount was warrented. OTOH if she were taller and had to pay the high price and then decided she didn't want to ride - then its her (or our) choice not an imposed restriction.

TJ

[tjmw2727]

I do have to disagree with the statement "Placid acceptance of wrong doing is just as bad as doing it yourself." I'm a bit offended by this, I have to admit. To me, it sounds like you believe that I would do the same in the situation. I wouldn't. And I never said I accepted it. I simply acknowledged the opinions and experience of another, respectfully. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.

I disagree with your disagreement, :)

And so now would my dd who recently received a de-merit for being at a lunch table where a few children were throwing chicken nuggets. The children at the table who did not participate but did nothing to stop the throwing and/or didn't get help were gulity as well. My dd of course thought it was very unfair until we had a talk, now she gets it.

To address your post - I know my dd would never throw a nugget and so does her teacher but she also knew it was wrong and did nothing. Knowing Disney requires admission for 3yo's I can't post on a message board saying otherwise but do believe I have been respectful.

TJ

[FayeW]

There are a lot of gray areas for me, but ticket prices isn't one of them! My son turned 10 a month before our last trip. While I completely begrudged having to pay the additional cost for his tickets, we did buy him the adult tickets he required.

I agree about the pricing based on height, although when I suggested it here on the boards about 3 yrs ago I got flamed mightily!

[CampbellScot]

I disagree with your disagreement, :)

And so now would my dd who recently received a de-merit for being at a lunch table where a few children were throwing chicken nuggets. The children at the table who did not participate but did nothing to stop the throwing and/or didn't get help were gulity as well. My dd of course thought it was very unfair until we had a talk, now she gets it.

To address your post - I know my dd would never throw a nugget and so does her teacher but she also knew it was wrong and did nothing. Knowing Disney requires admission for 3yo's I can't post on a message board saying otherwise but do believe I have been respectful.

TJ


Wow TJ! I just have to applaud your dd's school. It is about time that schools start addressing this issue! I'm sorry your dd got a demerit...but I'll bet she will NEVER make that mistake again. That is a hard lesson to learn, but a very important one. My step daughter was very angry with her father and me when she was in just as much trouble as her brother was when she watched him wipe Floam (a horrible sticky messy compound) all over the wall. When she protested "I didn't do anything"...her father and I said "EXACTLY. You did nothing." Boy oh boy does she open her mouth quick now when little brother decides he's going to do something naughty. She always prefaces it with "I'm not tattling...I'm TELLING":laughing:

I'm honestly thrilled to know that there are so many people on these boards who are just as disgusted with the rampant rule breaking as I am!

YAY DISERS!!!:banana:

[djm99]

You should be honest, but let's be "real" - how much is that 3 year old going to hurt (directly or indirectly) by getting in "FREE". I've read so many don't teach your kids to lie posts but most of US teach our kids to lie and steal EVERYDAY. "Tell the bill collector or Cousin Betty I'm busy or in the bathroom". We steal everytime we go get coffee and take more condiments (to keep in our desks) for later use - or taken home office supplies or called in sick to take care of personal business - still a lie!!! And some companies will argue theft, just because you have the days doesn't mean you use them just to be using them. Think about it!!! We lie every time we tell our children it’s a Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and so on and on and on. A lie is a lie - doesn't matter how big or small, or who we hurt directly or indirectly - it’s all a lie.

I'm by no mean for or against the lie of the 3 year old, its your decision - but understand the possible consequences and the next time your child or children are caught in a lie. Is it worth the contradictory conversation - don't lie little Billy - except when its for fun (Christmas, tooth fairy) or to save a buck or two, its okay to lie then. Do whatever you can to sleep at night. If you are okay "re-teaching" your now 3 years old that he/she is 2 - go ahead - but "keep it real" the next time when little Billy tells you a lie!!!!

[beattyfamily]

You should be honest, but let's be "real" - how much is that 3 year old going to hurt (directly or indirectly) by getting in "FREE". I've read so many don't teach your kids to lie posts but most of US teach our kids to lie EVERYDAY. "Tell the bill collector or Cousin Betty I'm busy or in the bathroom". We lie every time we tell our children it’s a Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and so on and on and on. A lie is a lie - doesn't matter how big or small, or who we hurt directly or indirectly - it’s all a lie.

I'm by no mean for or against the lie of the 3 year old, its your decision - but understand the possible consequences and the next time your child or children are caught in a lie. Is it worth the contradictory conversation - don't lie little Billy - except when its for fun (Christmas, tooth fairy) or to save a buck or two, its okay to lie then. Do whatever you can to sleep at night. If you are okay "re-teaching" your now 3 years old that he/she is 2 - go ahead - but "keep it real" the next time when little Billy tells you a lie!!!!

:rotfl2: Wow, that's actually a new one. Santa Claus = the same as sneaking in a 3 year old and saving $300! Thanks for the laugh. :rotfl2:

[maxiesmom]

I'm just wondering when it became a personal decision to pay for admission to Disney World? :confused3 Maybe I should try and use that line the next time I go get gas for my car. Think the gas station would go for it?

[sha_lyn]

You should be honest, but let's be "real" - how much is that 3 year old going to hurt (directly or indirectly) by getting in "FREE". I've read so many don't teach your kids to lie posts but most of US teach our kids to lie and steal EVERYDAY. "Tell the bill collector or Cousin Betty I'm busy or in the bathroom". We steal everytime we go get coffee and take more condiments (to keep in our desks) for later use - or taken home office supplies or called in sick to take care of personal business - still a lie!!!

"Most of Us" would not include me. I have never asked my kids to lie for me, and I never will. I don't take home extra condiments to use for later. I've never taken anything (such as office supplies) from a job. If I called in to work for personal business, I told the just that, I had personal business to take care of. Just because you have chosen to live your live that way does not mean that many people do.

[djm99]

:rotfl2: Wow, that's actually a new one. Santa Claus = the same as sneaking in a 3 year old and saving $300! Thanks for the laugh. :rotfl2:

See you a minimizing the lie - its still a lie. You are just comfortable with the Santa Claus lie!!! One of the more celebrated lies ever told - yet still a lie. You are placing a value ($300 on a Disney ticket), yet not that of a kids feelings. Some children are immediately devastated when they find out (I was) – they (as did I) get over it, might not even be a big deal. Just like it will not be a big deal if this child (that no one will know about) is getting in free. Don't minimize the Santa Clause lie, accept it for what it is - A LIE!!!! Its just tradition!!

[beattyfamily]

See you a minimizing the lie - its still a lie. You are just comfortable with the Santa Claus lie!!! One of the more celebrated lies ever told - yet still a lie. You are placing a value ($300 on a Disney ticket), yet not that of a kids feelings. Some children are immediately devastated when they find out (I was) – they (as did I) get over it, might not even be a big deal. Just like it will not be a big deal if this child (that no one will know about) is getting in free. Don't minimize the Santa Clause lie, accept it for what it is - A LIE!!!! Its just tradition!!

What ever you need to say to feel better about stealing from Disney. I could care aless. :rotfl2:

[djm99]

"Most of Us" would not include me. I have never asked my kids to lie for me, and I never will. I don't take home extra condiments to use for later. I've never taken anything (such as office supplies) from a job. If I called in to work for personal business, I told the just that, I had personal business to take care of. Just because you have chosen to live your live that way does not mean that many people do.

First of all, you are getting personal with someone you know NOTHING about. I don't - and have NEVER worked in an office, I work in a school - I bring more items to work with me - since supplies are VERY limited. I don't have to call in sick, see teachers simply have to say, “I need a PTO (part time off)” we are NOT given sick days only personal time off - no need for me to lie. I don't choose to live my life like anything I wrote about, but what I've observed over the years. I must have written something that struck a cord with you - because you are trying to make this personal. I wrote about general situations. Lets not be caddy.

[djm99]

What ever you need to say to feel better about stealing from Disney. I could care aless. :rotfl2:

In truth, if you didn't care you would not keep responding. Its like you didn't read my first post. I wrote that lying is WRONG - in ANY capacity - Disney, your kids, your aunt, bill collectors, your taxes, etc. I'm simply responding to all those that appear to be passing judgment on the OP. Look in your own closet of lies before you run to condemn a person for asking a question. You can see the OP is new. Say no - don't do - go on!!!

[djm99]

What ever you need to say to feel better about stealing from Disney. I could care aless. :rotfl2:

In truth, if you didn't care you would not keep responding. Its like you didn't read my first post. I wrote that lying is WRONG - in ANY capacity - Disney, your kids, your aunt, bill collectors, your taxes, etc. I'm simply responding to all those that appear to be passing judgment on the OP. Look in your own closet of lies before you run to condemn a person for asking a question. You can see the OP is new. Say no - don't do it - next post!!!

[DisneyBridetoBe08]

They do not ask the age of toddlers. I have a friend who got her child in to the parks for the entire year without having to pay after he turned 3 including MNSHP. He's older now and has an AP. As for the fastpasses the young ones without tickets do not need one. At least never for us.

[tjmw2727]

They do not ask the age of toddlers. I have a friend who got her child in to the parks for the entire year without having to pay after he turned 3 including MNSHP. He's older now and has an AP. As for the fastpasses the young ones without tickets do not need one. At least never for us.

How can you say that? Even though they didn't ask your friend they most certainly do ask. As I posted prior both my neice and nephew were asked their age and more than once. My nephew was asked a few times during the trip when he was still two and about average size. Just this past October we traveled with my neice who will turn three in July and despite being very small she was asked almost every time we entered or re-entered a park. In addition a few CM's did ask for her FP, my SIL just said that she is two and dosen't have a ticket after which they waived her along.

So it does happen -

TJ

[djm99]

I'm just wondering when it became a personal decision to pay for admission to Disney World? :confused3 Maybe I should try and use that line the next time I go get gas for my car. Think the gas station would go for it?

It was never a personal decision to buy a Disney ticket, at age 3, its simply the right thing to do. Some just pick and choose when to do the right thing and then pick on others for doing the wrong thing - at the same time conveniently "forgetting" all the wrong they do. I'd love to be there the day you steal gas. popcorn::

Some things are best said - unsaid - in truth the OP already knew at the very least that not buying a 3 yr old a ticket is NOT right!!! Plain - simple no wiggle room. He/She just wants to feel validated for thinking about doing the wrong thing. I think the OP has learned a quick lesson today!!!! OP, don't give up the disboards, there are really nice people but its a few subjects ya just don't bring up on the disboards. One you already know, others include 5 people in Value resort room, the use of refillable mugs at Resorts other the one you purchased your mug from, pool hopping, buying used mugs on ebay, and a few others I can't think of -------

[CampbellScot]

The OP was most definitely a troll...probably doesn't even have children...just stirring up trouble...

The fact is, Santa Claus and the belief in a tradition has nothing to do with not paying admission to a park for your child. The only way that would fly would be if people were stealing gifts in the name of Santa Claus...then maybe.

There is no argument. There is no way to validate, excuse or otherwise minimize lying about the age of your child to avoid paying for a ticket. It's stealing. It's wrong and it costs everyone in the end. The belief in Santa Claus does not.

This is not a personal attack. It is what it is. Stealing and condoning stealing. For someone who works in a school I would think that you would be just as frustrated with that sort of thing as the rest of us. You work very hard for your money I'm sure. Does it not bother you that prices go up every year b/c of stealing...services included?

There is no way to defend stealing. A belief in Santa Claus or not...

[alikat99]

This one is always an interesting topic and I'll just give my experience.

A few years ago, we were at Disney, renewing our annual passes and it was about a month before oldest DDs 3rd birthday. We were asking about whether or not we should buy her a certificate now, and just activate it after she turned 3 or whether we should just wait. Now, here's what the CM said to us "To be honest, I wouldn't buy her a ticket until the front gate CMs ask". So basically, the CM was actually saying to us - To be honest, LIE! For us, that wasn't acceptable, and we just purchased her annual pass the next time that we went to WDW after she was 3.

Now, we're coming back up on this same thing when my youngest turns 3. We will be sailing on DCL for her birthday celebration, and she will turn 3 the day that we disembark. Because she starts the cruise being 2, we only had to pay taxes & port charges. But, we will be going to WDW for 2 days, starting on her 3rd birthday. And, we will be buying her a ticket, on her 3rd birthday. Why? For one, because it's the right thing to do. Secondly, it's her birthday, and I want her to celebrate and be proud to be 3.

What kind of mom would I be to play down her birthday, so I could get her in for free, but if I went the day before, she would have been free????

[djm99]

The OP was most definitely a troll...probably doesn't even have children...just stirring up trouble...

The fact is, Santa Claus and the belief in a tradition has nothing to do with not paying admission to a park for your child. The only way that would fly would be if people were stealing gifts in the name of Santa Claus...then maybe.

There is no argument. There is no way to validate, excuse or otherwise minimize lying about the age of your child to avoid paying for a ticket. It's stealing. It's wrong and it costs everyone in the end. The belief in Santa Claus does not.

This is not a personal attack. It is what it is. Stealing and condoning stealing. For someone who works in a school I would think that you would be just as frustrated with that sort of thing as the rest of us. You work very hard for your money I'm sure. Does it not bother you that prices go up every year b/c of stealing...services included?

There is no way to defend stealing. A belief in Santa Claus or not...

Please read my post - being honest and doing the right thing is a STRONG belief of mine. I advise those to do the right thing, but do NOT condone those who do not. I'll leave the judgment to the best of judges - I am NOT HIM!!! Children don't just believe in Santa they are sold that lie, by parents, some schools, TV, family, etc. As parents, that lie is forced down their throats. I did not nor will I ever advocate stealing or LYING in ANY WAY!!!! I don't advocate lying about age for free admission or lying to your child, in the name of tradition, fun, sport and play. I don't know if you just don't want to admit it, you don't get it or you don’t want to get it - but a lie is a lie - telling your kids there is a Santa is a lie - no, its not stealing (maybe stealing there “innocence”) but no monetary amount is placed on the Santa lie. Santa is universally accepted - yes - BUT STILL a lie - no monetary theft - but lie. IMHO, my comparison is valid, just not in your eyes. Its not fair to pick and choose lies - just DON'T LIE AT ALL - FORCE THAT DOWN Disboards member THROATS!!!! You’ve just set in your mind (as plenty people do) that Santa and the tooth fairy are “good” tells……:confused:

The day my DD - who was 3 (a few months shy of 4) asked me who Santa was - I explained to her the legend then she asked the big question, “is he coming to our house”, my response (should I lie or not). I paused and looked a DH. I promised myself that when she asked I'd tell her the truth (confession: I wasn't thinking I'd get this question at three). I told her the truth. I told her the truth because I wanted her to know that telling the truth is always important, regardless of the circumstances. I didn't want to pick and choose lies for my baby. So me being okay with someone stealing admission - no - I’m just not jumping on the condoning cart!!!!

Ya know - I'm taking myself a little too serious here :happytv: - I've forgotten the original OP statement...... I have laundry to do :laundy:

[DawnM]

Yeah, count me in on the "don't include me in that!"

My coworker actually laughed at me once because I was so careful to not take anything that belonged to the school home with me.

He was like, "Dawn, it is JUST a pen!" But you know what? those pens were purchased for my use at work, not to take home so that we would have to buy more.

Dawn

"Most of Us" would not include me. I have never asked my kids to lie for me, and I never will. I don't take home extra condiments to use for later. I've never taken anything (such as office supplies) from a job. If I called in to work for personal business, I told the just that, I had personal business to take care of. Just because you have chosen to live your live that way does not mean that many people do.

[CampbellScot]

Okay I SWEAR I am done after this one thing...:flower3:

A belief in Santa Claus cannot be compared to lying about your child's age to avoid paying for a ticket. Apples and Oranges. Actually if you want to get technical, St. Nicholas was in fact a real person. Allowing your child to believe in a Christmas tradition has nothing to do with ethics or the moral issue behind stealing and lying.

I don't think the feeling or the intent behind the belief in a mythical character has anything to do with the deceit and selfishness of stealing. It is not the same thing. Do you walk around WDW saying to your child "That is not Mickey Mouse. It is a person inside a suit." If you don't then you are going against your own argument of the "lie" of Santa Claus. I'm going to bet that you allow your child to feel the joy of seeing Mickey and the Princesses and anyone else that might light up their little eyes? FURTHER MORE...the belief or not in Santa Claus or any other mythical character is that "personal choice" people were trying to attach to lying about their child's age. You have every right to instruct your children however you will...no matter what anybody else thinks. That is your business. It is also not ILLEGAL. Which is really where the bottom line is. Theft of services is an arrestable offense...not allowing your child a belief in Santa Claus is not.

It just isn't the same thing. I'm not sure what it is you are arguing against as you seem to be agreeing with the rest of us. :confused3

I actually have some laudry to do myself...it never dang ends does it?:laundy: :faint:

Have a good night all. My husband has suspended my computer rights for the evening...aka he's WHINING! He feels neglected...I'm sure he'll feel LESS neglected as I am doing his laundry...:rolleyes:

[djm99]

Okay I SWEAR I am done after this one thing...:flower3:

A belief in Santa Claus cannot be compared to lying about your child's age to avoid paying for a ticket. Apples and Oranges. Actually if you want to get technical, St. Nicholas was in fact a real person. Allowing your child to believe in a Christmas tradition has nothing to do with ethics or the moral issue behind stealing and lying.

Yes he was a real person (maybe not how he’s presented today) but does he come down chimneys delivering toys to present day boys and girls all over the world made by elves, while riding on a flying sleigh led by reindeer. This story is so ridiculous just tying it :rotfl: The answer: NO - you resolve to think that’s not lying when in deed its just that - just admit it - its part of now American culture - but yet a lie

It just isn't the same thing. I'm not sure what it is you are arguing against as you seem to be agreeing with the rest of us. :confused3 :

I am agreeing with you - lying and stealing and wrong - ALL lying and ALL stealing is wrong. Simple, no wiggle room. For whatever reason many think that some lies are okay but others are not - that’s my only argument. My point was and remains to be that if you are free from lies don't condemn. Theft in the Santa situation may have been a bad analogy - but the lying is just the same. “Timmy, if asked say you are 2 just today” or Mommy will say you are two today and “Yes, Timmy Santa will bring you that shinning bike if you are good” - BOTH LIES!!! You are just comfortable with the Santa lie. Its okay!!! Just be honest it about!!! Its tradition – not good tradition IMO, but I do understand. I mean that sincerely.

When I was little and would visit my grandparents I was always getting caught "finger dipping" in the butter :sick: and peanut butter :sad2:. They knew it was me, but they'd ask, "Did you put your finger in that peanut butter" I always lied and said no. My grandpa would say, if you lie you'd steal and if you steal you'd kill - so let this lesson (usually some sort or punishment or spanking) stop you right here. Tell the truth - all truth -----

BTW, while at WDW - my daughter when she was 4 maybe, asked, "is that the real Mickey Mouse” (she only asked because she had a Cinderella disappointing break down - she'd only seen Cinderella as Brandy at the time) anyway- I responded NO - as a matter of fact - my DH and I both feel EXTREMELY strong about distinguishing the difference between make believe and reality. My daughter has a vivid imagination and it is exceptionally important to separate the two.

[CampbellScot]

stealing is illegal...believing in Santa Claus and Mickey Mouse is not. Comparing a belief in Santa Claus and Mickey Mouse to stealing is rediculous. It has nothing to do with stealing. You seem to have issue with the word "LYING"...how about Law Abiding...does that work for you?

It doesn't matter what you say or how you present it. Stealing is not a lawful act. When you do it...you are breaking the law.

Expounding upon historical belief in myth and the whether belief in that myth does in fact constitute a lie for page after page will not change that.

Bottom line: If you LIE about your child's age to avoid paying for a ticket into Walt Disney World, you are STEALING. Period. It costs those of us who are LAW ABIDING, whether we are LIARS or not. How's that? Make more sense?

Stop trying to sully the good name of Santa Claus. Sheesh. :santa:

[dunnhorn]

Man, the view from all of those ivory towers must be very nice.:rolleyes1

[CampbellScot]

::yes:: the view is lovely thanks...I really wanted the Poly, but the Ivory Towers were so much more AFFORDABLE.:surfweb:

[zdesiree]

Honestly, I don't think that the mayor issue here is lying, because the truth can be twisted in so many ways, and a white lie can sometimes save the emotional health of someone. Don't tell me that if someone close to your child, like a sibling, has an accident, you will tell your kid exactly how horrible the accident was, and don't answer that you will just omit those parts, because to omit is another way of lying. And what about babies, if your 3 years old asks you how babies come, you will tell them exactly how the business is done, with the pros and cons, to a 3 years old? But, stealing is stealing no matter what, no matter the age, there is no twist on that, it's against the law.

[djm99]

stealing is illegal...believing in Santa Claus and Mickey Mouse is not. Comparing a belief in Santa Claus and Mickey Mouse to stealing is rediculous. It has nothing to do with stealing. You seem to have issue with the word "LYING"...how about Law Abiding...does that work for you?

It doesn't matter what you say or how you present it. Stealing is not a lawful act. When you do it...you are breaking the law.

Expounding upon historical belief in myth and the whether belief in that myth does in fact constitute a lie for page after page will not change that.

Bottom line: If you LIE about your child's age to avoid paying for a ticket into Walt Disney World, you are STEALING. Period. It costs those of us who are LAW ABIDING, whether we are LIARS or not. How's that? Make more sense?

Stop trying to sully the good name of Santa Claus. Sheesh. :santa:


Oh boy - the lie would have to be told FIRST - nothing tangible (arguably) is being stolen. Okay – the ability to ride is tangible. To steal often refers to a tangible object, property - I see this WHOLE ISSUE as a lie. Many are seeing this as tangle therefore stealing - See, I can agree to disagree - I see this whole issue as a lie!! IMO, its not like walking in a restaurant that allows free meals for ages 5 and under and your child just turned 6. You are clearly stealing food. When you walk in a Disney Park - any tangible thing you want has to be paid for. The only thing IMO that the FREE child would take is space. Nothing Tangible. How much is the 3 year going to ride (see now you have me confused, I'm taking the side of the lying, theft family).

Okay I’m tired – don’t lie and don’t steal – PERIOD!!!!!!! :scared: That is the lesson for today!!!! Don't make me respond again - you know I will ------ :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1:

[djm99]

Honestly, I don't think that the mayor issue here is lying, because the truth can be twisted in so many ways, and a white lie can sometimes save the emotional health of someone. Don't tell me that if someone close to your child, like a sibling, has an accident, you will tell your kid exactly how horrible the accident was, and don't answer that you will just omit those parts, because to omit is another way of lying. And what about babies, if your 3 years old asks you how babies come, you will tell them exactly how the business is done, with the pros and cons, to a 3 years old? But, stealing is stealing no matter what, no matter the age, there is no twist on that, it's against the law.

God is my witness - I told her actually where babies come from - she still doesn't believe me. She thinks they come out of a belly button. So cute, but I told her the truth. Now I did conveniently omit how one gets pregnant. She was distracted by where they come from to remember to ask me how one becomes pregnant - thank God. If she'd ask, I wouldn't lie, I would had told her that - this conversation is one we will have when you are a little older. No need to lie. She and DH are both pressuring me to have a brother or sister for her so this is a regular conversation in my home. She is often "jealous" to hear her friend’s mothers are having babies and her mom is just not quit ready.

[SmallWorld71]

Hi,
I don't want to get involved in any debate. Just wanted to say that in over 10 trips over the last 30 years, a CM has never asked about ages. :confused3 Not mine or my siblings ages as children, not nieces, nephews, friend's kids or my own kids. It never occured to me to bring a birth certificate. I now wonder if I should when we go in August. DS#2 will be 8 1/2. Close to the next change in prices.
And, for what it's worth. When DD4 was 2, if you asked her age she might have said 2 or she might have said 6, her favorite age just like her brother.:rotfl2: I'm sure they wouldn't have believed her though.

[sha_lyn]

Oh boy - the lie would have to be told FIRST - nothing tangible (arguably) is being stolen. Okay – the ability to ride is tangible. To steal often refers to a tangible object, property - I see this WHOLE ISSUE as a lie.

Yes something tangible is stolen. It isn't called theft of services for nothing.

[DaisyLynn]

This is not an issue in which people can just "agree to disagree". Stealing is illegal. It's against the law. Respectfully acknowledging another's choice to steal?! :confused3 I don't get it.



Stealing is not the issue I'm "agreeing to disagree" with. Stealing is wrong. If I saw someone doing it, I'd say something. The issue I'm talking about and the whole reason I posted in the first place is the rude comments being made by other posters, who I won't quote directly because I don't feel I need to call any one person out. People who may have well said "you're a crappy mom" and gotten it over with (this was, of course, pages ago). Again, stealing is wrong. This is what I believe to be very true. Go ahead and tell the person who posted about what she does that she is wrong for stealing, that's fine. What I didn't like was seeing people say things like "you teach your children to lie" and "are you that cheap" and "why not pull one over on the airlines". Nowhere did she say she asked her children to lie. It's not nice to make cutting comments like that, no matter how wrong you think it is. That's all I was trying to say. In far too many words! :hippie:

[nadinec]

i think I should have explained myself more on the thread I first posted. I dont think it would make much difference to the people with the excellent moral values who will most liklely have all the child rearing books in their collection.

I am from the uk and at present it is expensive to travel to the US, The trip alone in costing £3.000 $5700 on top of this we are taking $3280. So I am only asking to save $300 on a pass for a child who will be 3yrs 2weeks old when we go.

Mybe I should cancel the trip upet my children and go to Spain and give Spain my money.

I also have a 11yr old and I will be paying adult price for him which in the UK he would still be classed as a child.

[bellarella]

Mybe I should cancel the trip upet my children and go to Spain and give Spain my money.


Yes, I would actually do that. Disney sets the rules. If you don't like the rules then you don't go. There is no middle ground. You should absolutely send your money to a place where you and the recipient see eye to eye. If Disney misses your business then they will change their policies.

If you don't like the prices at a grocery store, you choose a different one to shop at. You don't try to walk out with half your items stuffed in your jacket pockets.

[zdesiree]

God is my witness - I told her actually where babies come from - she still doesn't believe me. She thinks they come out of a belly button. So cute, but I told her the truth. Now I did conveniently omit how one gets pregnant. She was distracted by where they come from to remember to ask me how one becomes pregnant - thank God. If she'd ask, I wouldn't lie, I would had told her that - this conversation is one we will have when you are a little older. No need to lie. She and DH are both pressuring me to have a brother or sister for her so this is a regular conversation in my home. She is often "jealous" to hear her friend’s mothers are having babies and her mom is just not quit ready.

You said it. God is your witness, so he knows exactly if you lied, why you did it, if it was in order to protect your child or to save $300.00. If someone wants to do harm to my kid and asks me with a gun in my head where is my kid, you can be sure I will put my kid's life first and lie to the person. God as my witness knows why I did it. Sometimes you have to think of the consequences of some truths that may put in danger your kids life, innocence or emotional health because his not mature enough to handle that kind of truth. You said it yourself, you omitted some info with the baby issue, you told your kid half the truth, and why? Because you as a parent was protecting your kid and that is a natural instinct and God knows that.

I'm not trying to change your mind, only trying to explain how other people may see this issue. We are all individuals with individual mind, which at the end God as our witness, will know exactly what was in our minds.

[zdesiree]

Yes, I would actually do that. Disney sets the rules. If you don't like the rules then you don't go. There is no middle ground. You should absolutely send your money to a place where you and the recipient see eye to eye. If Disney misses your business then they will change their policies.

If you don't like the prices at a grocery store, you choose a different one to shop at. You don't try to walk out with have your items stuffed in your jacket pockets.


Ditto ;)

[Mouse House Mama]

i think I should have explained myself more on the thread I first posted. I dont think it would make much difference to the people with the excellent moral values who will most liklely have all the child rearing books in their collection.

I am from the uk and at present it is expensive to travel to the US, The trip alone in costing £3.000 $5700 on top of this we are taking $3280. So I am only asking to save $300 on a pass for a child who will be 3yrs 2weeks old when we go.

Mybe I should cancel the trip upet my children and go to Spain and give Spain my money.

I also have a 11yr old and I will be paying adult price for him which in the UK he would still be classed as a child.

I agree- go to Spain. You will probably save even more money.:sad2:

[djm99]

You said it. God is your witness, so he knows exactly if you lied, why you did it, if it was in order to protect your child or to save $300.00. If someone wants to do harm to my kid and asks me with a gun in my head where is my kid, you can be sure I will put my kid's life first and lie to the person. God as my witness knows why I did it. Sometimes you have to think of the consequences of some truths that may put in danger your kids life, innocence or emotional health because his not mature enough to handle that kind of truth. You said it yourself, you omitted some info with the baby issue, you told your kid half the truth, and why? Because you as a parent was protecting your kid and that is a natural instinct and God knows that.

I'm not trying to change your mind, only trying to explain how other people may see this issue. We are all individuals with individual mind, which at the end God as our witness, will know exactly what was in our minds.


Yes I wrote God is my witness and I stand by EVERYTHING I wrote. I know that HE hears all lies - my question is - did you know that? I'm not trying to insult you. Not my intention. I apologize humbly if you are offended. I mean that sincerely. And yes I do see other peoples view - but for whatever reason - you can't see mine. Yet you pointed out that God knows if I lied - as if he will excuse other lies in the "name of innocence" - no way. And even in an emotional health situation or the saving of innocence situation, sometimes the "truth" is best said unsaid. I have a reputation of being the friend that "tells it like it is" (hopefully tastefully) if you don't want the truth don't ask JOY. I'm okay with that. Sometimes telling the truth has placed me in really bad situations, but it was the truth – how can you argue with that. Telling the truth has also earned me much respect in my life and I'm proud my reputation.

[maxiesmom]

Yes, I would actually do that. Disney sets the rules. If you don't like the rules then you don't go. There is no middle ground. You should absolutely send your money to a place where you and the recipient see eye to eye. If Disney misses your business then they will change their policies.

If you don't like the prices at a grocery store, you choose a different one to shop at. You don't try to walk out with half your items stuffed in your jacket pockets.


Exactly!

[zdesiree]

Yes I wrote God is my witness and I stand by EVERYTHING I wrote. I know that HE hears all lies - my question is - did you know that? I'm not trying to insult you. Not my intention. I apologize humbly if you are offended. I mean that sincerely. And yes I do see other peoples view - but for whatever reason - you can't see mine. Yet you pointed out that God knows if I lied - as if he will excuse other lies in the "name of innocence" - no way. And even in an emotional health situation or the saving of innocence situation, sometimes the "truth" is best said unsaid. I have a reputation of being the friend that "tells it like it is" (hopefully tastefully) if you don't want the truth don't ask JOY. I'm okay with that. Sometimes telling the truth has placed me in really bad situations, but it was the truth – how can you argue with that. Telling the truth has also earned me much respect in my life and I'm proud my reputation.

Nahhh. Forget about it, for what I see this can go and go and go and go with you, and for what, anyway at the end God is the final judge.

See ya!

[leighe]

OP - I wouldn't worry about God if I were you. Apparently he's got plenty of people on this thread doing his job for him! ;)

I, personally, would go ahead and buy my three year old a ticket. However, I'm not sure that I think "stealing" from Disney is any worse than posting some of the rude, hateful things that have been said on this thread.

[sha_lyn]

Yes, I would actually do that. Disney sets the rules. If you don't like the rules then you don't go. There is no middle ground. You should absolutely send your money to a place where you and the recipient see eye to eye. If Disney misses your business then they will change their policies.

If you don't like the prices at a grocery store, you choose a different one to shop at. You don't try to walk out with half your items stuffed in your jacket pockets.


:thumbsup2 ... but groceries are tangible, WDW isn't , so it really isn't stealing :wink: :wink: :rotfl2:

[DaisyD]

Here is a crazy thought I had while reading these posts...how many of you who would not have your children lie (including myself!) would also buy the resorts mugs and bring them back on consequent years to use in the commisary to refill with soda. Disney allows you to buy a mug and get free refills for the year you go, but many take back their mugs.

Is this the same principle of ethics? I have seen probably hundreds of different year mugs in the commissary at disney resorts.

Sorry if I am steering this off topic....:banana: :banana: :banana:

I never lied about the kids ages and I never reuse mugs! I had over 21 Poly mugs at one point from previous trips. I finally gave some to DD to use in her sandbox and tossed the rest away. Also Disney lets you refill the mugs for the stay of your current trip. Those mugs are not good for a year but for one trip.

[tink621]

OP - I wouldn't worry about God if I were you. Apparently he's got plenty of people on this thread doing his job for him! ;)

I, personally, would go ahead and buy my three year old a ticket. However, I'm not sure that I think "stealing" from Disney is any worse than posting some of the rude, hateful things that have been said on this thread.

You are exactly right. I just can't believe some of the things I have read concerning this op's question. Yes lying & stealing is wrong, but so is being unbelieveably rude & hateful to people you don't even know. This OP was asking for opinions. I believe we can all do that and not go to the extreme that some on here have. I was involved with a discussion on here about ages at Pooh's Playful Spot. Some people didn't understand why their well behaved older children couldn't play with their younger children in this area. But there was never any incredibly rude comments like there are here. :eek: Some on here have said "I would never teach my child to lie." I hope that you would also not teach you child to be so judgmental and hurtful to others. I would hope that you could teach your child to understand that we all have different opinions and that's okay. I believe we have all told little white lies in our lives for one reason or another. I may not be proud of it but it's the truth. Unless you are an absolute perfect person please don't judge others. I don't believe any of us can say that we are perfect. Wrong is Wrong.

[C.Ann]

That said - if you want to do it, my best advice is to try to keep the kid from talking. Size won't distinguish a 2, 3 or 4 year old necessarily, but verbal ability will.


so if you are worried try to make sure you just go through quickly so CM won't talk to you or child..
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Keep the kid from talking? That is just too sad.. :(

[djm99]

Nahhh. Forget about it, for what I see this can go and go and go and go with you, and for what, anyway at the end God is the final judge.

See ya!

Now this is something we can BOTH AGREE TO 1000%. BTW, I apologize if I'm considered one of the rude responder - I wasn’t trying to be - I just didn't like the way this post was going - WE (yes we) all have faults - and WE all do things we are NOT proud of - the OP wanted our thoughts - I'm sure she/he didn't want to be condoned. Again, I apologize about me going on and on about Santa. I hope the OP makes the right decision.

[chrismom2005]

i think I should have explained myself more on the thread I first posted. I dont think it would make much difference to the people with the excellent moral values who will most liklely have all the child rearing books in their collection.

I am from the uk and at present it is expensive to travel to the US, The trip alone in costing £3.000 $5700 on top of this we are taking $3280. So I am only asking to save $300 on a pass for a child who will be 3yrs 2weeks old when we go.

Mybe I should cancel the trip upet my children and go to Spain and give Spain my money.

I also have a 11yr old and I will be paying adult price for him which in the UK he would still be classed as a child.

so you can afford almost 10,000 on a vacation but just cant spend the 300 on a ticket for your three year old and follow the rules

[CampbellScot]

so you can afford almost 10,000 on a vacation but just cant spend the 300 on a ticket for your three year old and follow the rules

:lmao: :rotfl2: :thumbsup2

[djm99]

I am from the uk and at present it is expensive to travel to the US, The trip alone in costing £3.000 $5700 on top of this we are taking $3280. So I am only asking to save $300 on a pass for a child who will be 3yrs 2weeks old when we go.

I don't know if you are purposely trying to make it worse for yourself or what :crazy2:- seriously $3280 is your spare change - and you can't spend $300 - are you serious? :scratchin Are you trying to make people upset? :rolleyes2 I just can't believe that any person would state this and want sympathy. :upsidedow I just don't think you are serious, :( I think you are pulling our "legs" trying to incite arguments. :furious:

[Love2TravelAnywhere]

I have one question and a comment, first for the question-

Some posters are making comments about stealing, lying, teaching your kids do to the wrong thing-Do you follow the "rules" 100% of the time? I highly doubt it. Do you drive 60 when the speed limit is 55? Do you wear your seat belt 100% of the time. Have you never told a little white lie? I am not saying that if you have a kid that is well over 3, you shouldn't pay a ticket for them, however in my case my child is going to be 3 and 1 week. I have chosen not to purchase a ticket for him. Call it what you want.

My comment - if most people were as passionate about more serious issues, this world may just be a better place.

Get over it! I thought these boards were to be fun and educational. This is down right hateful. Thank god I leave in 4 days for my trip and will not have to visit these boards anymore. I'm done~

[vernfonzndrian]

My comment - if most people were as passionate about more serious issues, this world may just be a better place.

Get over it! I thought these boards were to be fun and educational. This is down right hateful. Thank god I leave in 4 days for my trip and will not have to visit these boards anymore. I'm done~

:thumbsup2 I agree!!! I think some people really over did it, on this thread and got out of hand! :sad2:

[Mouse House Mama]

I have one question and a comment, first for the question-

Some posters are making comments about stealing, lying, teaching your kids do to the wrong thing-Do you follow the "rules" 100% of the time? I highly doubt it. Do you drive 60 when the speed limit is 55? Do you wear your seat belt 100% of the time. Have you never told a little white lie? I am not saying that if you have a kid that is well over 3, you shouldn't pay a ticket for them, however in my case my child is going to be 3 and 1 week. I have chosen not to purchase a ticket for him. Call it what you want.

My comment - if most people were as passionate about more serious issues, this world may just be a better place.

Get over it! I thought these boards were to be fun and educational. This is down right hateful. Thank god I leave in 4 days for my trip and will not have to visit these boards anymore. I'm done~

Well of course you are annoyed. You are breaking the rules as well. :rolleyes2

[WebmasterAlex]

Ok gang think it's time to put this one to bed!