What is Value Room at AKV????

[lovinthemouse]

I am a little confused:confused: . What is the value room at AKV? Is it a smaller type of room?

[dianeschlicht]

Your guess is as good as anyone elses, but I suspect it has to do with location and room size. I couldn't get an answer about that from my guide yesterday, so we'll just have to wait until the information is published on the website.

[pilferk]

I am a little confused:confused: . What is the value room at AKV? Is it a smaller type of room?

The answer is, right now, nobody is exactly sure.

But here's what we know: The 5th (and maybe 6th?) floor of AKL are made up of standard and deluxe sized rooms. Most (if not all) of the standard sized rooms are overlooking a parking lot or lawn, not the savannah or pool.

The supposition (and I think it's a good one) is that the "value" category will be those converted rooms....all likely studios.

[Waseller77]

Oops - wrong thread!

[LisaS]

The answer is, right now, nobody is exactly sure.

But here's what we know: The 5th (and maybe 6th?) floor of AKL are made up of standard and deluxe sized rooms. Most (if not all) of the standard sized rooms are overlooking a parking lot or lawn, not the savannah or pool.

The supposition (and I think it's a good one) is that the "value" category will be those converted rooms....all likely studios.Based on the point chart, there will also be some value 1BRs and 2BRs. Based on the room sizes I posted on another thread, these will be smaller studios, 1BRs (and presumably 2BRs). Size-wise, they are approximately 1x, 2x (and presumably 3x) the size of a standard-size AKL room. These smaller rooms will not have the sleeper chair, so the value 1BRs will sleep 4 and the value 2BRs will sleep 8.

So if you don't mind facing the main entrance and parking lot of AKL, they are a good deal!

[lisareniff]

My thoughts are similar, that they are the standard size rooms on the 5th floor. The Ostrich and Giraffe trials that flank the parking lot have standard size rooms. However on the other side of the Ostrich trail is the sunset savannah and the other side of the giraffe is the pool. I don't know if all of these views will be value views or not (my guess is yes) but they started out with the smaller hotel rooms.

[Dean]

The value rooms are a collection of odd shaped and/or smaller rooms that they felt would be an issue. I am told that while the other (non value) 1 & 2 BR will sleep 5/9 with an extra pull out futon type chair, the value's will not. They are scattered all over the resort. I am assuming they are only in the current lodge and not in the new building but am not certain on that one. The view could be any type including savannah view but no way to know until you get to the room.

[lenshanem]

I was wondering if the value rooms were gonna be some of those in the AKL that are facing the sidewalk leading to the bus stop? I remember passing by them and thinking how absolutely awful they must be! Anyone know what I'm referring to?

[Doctor P]

I think people have the concept of a value room all wrong. ;) ;) ;) My sources tell me that value rooms will be of one of two types: 1) those located ON the savannah with no running water or flush toilets, as well as having walls and roofs made of (high Disney quality) canvas or PVC; 2) those rooms that not only come without outside maid service, but also with the stipulation that for each three nights stayed the occupants must work a three hour shift cleaning up after the animals. ;) ;) Disney wanted this to be the first truly interactive DVC resort and felt there might be strong appeal for this, especially among bargain hunters. This was one of the reasons that they started asking for names and addresses of all parties on reservations--to target bargain-hunting renters who might find the points savings on value rooms particularly appealing. ;) ;)

[Tink10]

:rotfl2:

[roadtripper]

We once got upgraded to a room at AKL when POR had no vacancy--it was on the 5th floor, and it overlooked a little grass hut on the roof thing--towards the front of the building. It was in the main lodge part of the bldg-- so we came out of the room to that gorgeous lodge view. We had paid 79 per night for POR, so needless to say, we were thrilled to be there. Anyway I bet our room would qualify as a value room in the new point system. For 8 points, I would stay there again in a heartbeat!:woohoo:

[LisaS]

I was wondering if the value rooms were gonna be some of those in the AKL that are facing the sidewalk leading to the bus stop? I remember passing by them and thinking how absolutely awful they must be! Anyone know what I'm referring to?There are several 5th-floor rooms along that walkway so I would imagine those would become value villas.

[JodyTG]

I think people have the concept of a value room all wrong. ;) ;) ;) My sources tell me that value rooms will be of one of two types: 1) those located ON the savannah with no running water or flush toilets, as well as having walls and roofs made of (high Disney quality) canvas or PVC; 2) those rooms that not only come without outside maid service, but also with the stipulation that for each three nights stayed the occupants must work a three hour shift cleaning up after the animals. ;) ;) Disney wanted this to be the first truly interactive DVC resort and felt there might be strong appeal for this, especially among bargain hunters. This was one of the reasons that they started asking for names and addresses of all parties on reservations--to target bargain-hunting renters who might find the points savings on value rooms particularly appealing. ;) ;)

You know, I've heard something like this too. Except what I heard was that the "little grass hut" that someone else mentioned here was actually the outhouse for the value rooms. Also, the "washer/dryer" in the 1 and 2 bedrooms was an old fashioned washboard and a hand held fan to dry off the clothes. Of course, you have to walk to a lake on the savannah to haul your water for the laundry.

[calypso*a*go-go]

Do we know if the value rooms will be two queen beds, or 1 queen w/sleeper sofa?

[spiceycat]

since the rooms are smaller - guessing 1 queen and double sleeper sofa - of course it might be smaller since they now have that furniture. a chair that converts to a twin bed.

[spiceycat]

I am a little confused - I though it was only the sunset savannah - that is all - so does it have all the pieces beginning discussed here?

so some of the value rooms could be savannah rooms - darn it I want lousey views so these units won't be in demand.

[mamaprincess]

I too am a point horder and am hoping to book those value accomodations and maybe even luck up on a view (not counting on it and I will gladly mosey on over to the savanna a check out the animals). I am almost certain that there are a whole bunch of point cheapskates out there just waiting to book those oddly shaped, small, viewless rooms.:goodvibes I'll just be happy be in that atmosphere. Since 78% of the rooms are savanna view and about 20% are value (which mostly have views that are not savanna), I'd also think odds are pretty good that if you book a standard room you may wind up with a savanna view after all so we will probably do that when Kidana is up and ready.

[Dean]

Since 78% of the rooms are savanna view and about 20% are value (which mostly have views that are not savanna), I'd also think odds are pretty good that if you book a standard room you may wind up with a savanna view after all so we will probably do that when Kidana is up and ready.The way I interpreted it was standard view and savannah view were mutually exclusive. Obviously the direct booking savannah view rooms will be less than the 78% with the remainder being made up of concierge and value units. It will be interesting to see exactly how these rooms break down in terms of total numbers and the percentage of different view types for the value rooms esp.

[mamaprincess]

Perhaps. By the percentages we already know, that would mean that there would be even fewer standard rooms than value rooms. Savanna View would then be very easy to book. Hmmmm...:scratchin Well yes, if 78% of the rooms have a savanna view then perhaps the standard view rooms will be a very small percentage. My brain hurts:headache: I think I'll wait for the official breakdown.

[lenshanem]

Interesting. I would guess most people would go ahead and pay the 11 point per night for the studio Savannah room than the 8 or 9 point value and standard. Really, it is not that much of a point savings and you're getting a Savannah view room. Even at 11 a night it is still one point less that BCV or VWL. I'm going to guess the value and standard rooms will be the last to go???

[bobbiwoz]

We stayed at one of those by the bus stop rooms that lenshanem referred to. I was only happy because we had a discount and we were at the AKL. If I'm going to book AKV with points, I want a view of the animals, or concierge. If I'm interested in saving points, I'll go with BWV sv, I think those villas are a great bargain.

Another "requirement" for me is a balcony. I wonder if the value rooms have balconies. I take my chance at VWL and the 1 studio without a balcony. With these AKV points that I'm buying, maybe we'll eventually be out of studios and into 1 bedrooms for good!

Bobbi:goodvibes

[lisareniff]

I believe all AKL rooms have balconies. There are a few that have the inclosed (no slats) railings. I remember someone complaining about one of three rooms facing the parking lot that had these.

[MemoryMakers2669]

Do we know yet, after the all Villa building is finished, if we will get our pick of buildings? Or will we not know until we check in if we are in the Jambo House or the new one?

[Cruelladeville]

I'm sure glad to hear that nearly everyone is a value hunter, because I am waiting to book concierge in September!! I stayed in concierge once at AKL, and it was wonderful! We spent our day there parked in the concierge lounge eating food. What fun!!:goodvibes Definitely worth 119 pts per week.:yay:

[robinb]

I was sort of assuming that the Concierge and Value rooms would be in the main building, while the Savannah and Standard views will be in the new building. What does everyone else think?

[LisaS]

I was sort of assuming that the Concierge and Value rooms would be in the main building, while the Savannah and Standard views will be in the new building. What does everyone else think? DVC is taking over the entire 5th floor of AKL so there will be savannah views and standard views in the Lodge building as well as concierge and value villas. Currently, AKL has "deluxe pool view" rooms which are the larger 5th floor rooms overlooking the pool. If those are converted to DVC villas, I think they would be categorized as standard view. Also, there are lots of deluxe savannah view rooms on the 5th floor, so those would become savannah view villas. The smaller (standard-size) AKL rooms on the 5th floor would become value villas.

So I think there will be all four types in the Lodge, and no concierge and probably no value villas in the new building.

[robinb]

Thanks Lisa! Let's see if I get this right ...

The "Value" rooms will be converted from the regular AKL rooms that currently sleep 4. They can be either savannah or standard (pool/parking lot view).

The "Concierge View" rooms will be converted from the current Concierge rooms. They can be pool or savannah view.

The "Savannah View" rooms will be convented from the current AKL deluxe rooms that currently sleep 5. They are savannah view only.

The "Standard View" room will be convented from the current AKL deluxe rooms that currently sleep 5. They are pool view only.

I assume that all the rooms will have the traditional DVC amenities like fridge, microwave, oven, laundry, whirlpool, etc depending on the size of the unit.

From AllEars about the current AKL configuration:
The following are the room types and numbers of rooms in each category: Standard View (facing the parking lot) 135 rooms; Pool View 136 rooms; savanna View 724 rooms; Deluxe Pool View 33 rooms; Deluxe savanna View 191 rooms and 55 Concierge rooms. The deluxe rooms are bigger than the standard rooms. There are also Presidential and Vice Presidential suites, as well as five one-bedroom suites and 12 two-bedroom parlor suites.

The standard rooms are on floors 1-4 and are 344 square feet. Deluxe rooms are on floors 5 and 6 and are 381 square feet. All rooms have balconies.

[jdg345]

Thanks Lisa! Let's see if I get this right ...

The "Value" rooms will be converted from the regular AKL rooms that currently sleep 4. They can be either savannah or standard (pool/parking lot view).

The "Concierge View" rooms will be converted from the current Concierge rooms. They can be pool or savannah view.

The "Savannah View" rooms will be convented from the current AKL deluxe rooms that currently sleep 5. They are savannah view only.

The "Standard View" room will be convented from the current AKL deluxe rooms that currently sleep 5. They are pool view only.

I assume that all the rooms will have the traditional DVC amenities like fridge, microwave, oven, laundry, whirlpool, etc depending on the size of the unit.

From AllEars about the current AKL configuration:

That sounds about right ... though I don't think there are any Value+Savannah ... but ... I could be wrong ...

btw, does anyone have any idea as to where parking is going to be? Free Valet for DVC? It's likely not going to be park-in-front-of-room unless DVC has a really cool elevator thing up their sleeve. ;)

[MemoryMakers2669]

There is a whole thread...and older one, that has the actual plans that were filed with the county. VERY COOL! You can see the entire site plan and how the new building sits compared to the existing lodge. Seems the new Villa building with parking garages UNDER the building, as well as some up front.
Or are you talking about the existing lodge and the new DVC rooms they are converting? I hope they offer the free valet for DVC. I hate the AKL parking lot (and VWL), so use the valet! I found BCV to have great self parking.

[Dean]

Do we know yet, after the all Villa building is finished, if we will get our pick of buildings? Or will we not know until we check in if we are in the Jambo House or the new one?We don't know for certain but given that the check in is separate and the separate nature of the buildings, I would imagine that you will know prior to arrival and likely at check in. Plus I think it's a reasonable expectation that most or all of the value rooms and all of the concierge rooms will be in the main lodge. Don't know yet about standard but I suspect a large majority of them will be in the main house as well..


Actually a number of the value rooms are savannah view, the question we don't know is how many. While I think it's reasonable to speculate where each room type is coming from in the lodge, I think it's simply speculation at this point.

[SuzanneSLO]

From RobinB's quote from Allearsnet:
The following are the room types and numbers of rooms in each category: Standard View (facing the parking lot) 135 rooms; Pool View 136 rooms; savanna View 724 rooms; Deluxe Pool View 33 rooms; Deluxe savanna View 191 rooms and 55 Concierge rooms. The deluxe rooms are bigger than the standard rooms. There are also Presidential and Vice Presidential suites, as well as five one-bedroom suites and 12 two-bedroom parlor suites.

The standard rooms are on floors 1-4 and are 344 square feet. Deluxe rooms are on floors 5 and 6 and are 381 square feet. All rooms have balconies.

**
Based on information made publicly available, there will be 134 AKV rooms in the current AKL building on the 5th and 6th floor. Base dont eh allearsnet inof, there are 33 deluxe pool view rooms, 191 savannah view and 55 deluxe concierge, for a total of 279 deluxe rooms. If you assume that a 2 BR lockoff will consist of 3 deluxe rooms combined, then there will be 93 2br lockoffs as follows: 11 pool view; about 64 savannah view; and about 18 former concierge (with mostly savannah but also some pool views).

In addition, public reports have stated that there will be 41 dedicated AKV studios which are only 316 sf. These are probably converted standard rooms located in the current building.

The 279 deluxe rooms converted to 93 2BR lockoffs plus 41 dedicated studios equals 134 total rooms.

Based on this, I would guess that when AKV first opens in the current building, each night there will be available: 41 value studios, at least 11 standard 2BR (which will probably include some 1BR/S combos), at least 64 savannah 2BR (again, which will probably include some 1BR/S combos) and less than 18 concierge 2BR (again, which will probably include some 1BR/S combos).

While this doesnt account for the 1br or 2br value units (possibly located in the new building???), it is amazing how well the numbers add up.

This analysis also doesn't account for the apparent missing square footage: 3 X 381 should be 1,143 sf, but the 2BR lockoffs are only supposed to measure 943 sf.

Also, the perimeter boundries set forth in the Declaration of Condominium for the AKV rooms in the current building are either 25.55' x 34.55' (882.75 sf) or 12.6' x 34.55' (435.3 sf) and they are also described as 0.03 acres (1,306.8 sf). But the drawings for those boundries show either what appears to be a studio or 2 connecitng studios, which also seems inconsistent with typical 1BR and 2 BR units with a living room and full kitchen.

--Suzanne

[TreesyB]

You know, I've heard something like this too. Except what I heard was that the "little grass hut" that someone else mentioned here was actually the outhouse for the value rooms. Also, the "washer/dryer" in the 1 and 2 bedrooms was an old fashioned washboard and a hand held fan to dry off the clothes. Of course, you have to walk to a lake on the savannah to haul your water for the laundry.

:rotfl:

[SuzanneSLO]

It looks like there are about 38 standard rooms in the current AKL on the 5th floor that face the parking lot. While this means that some of the value rooms will not face the parking lots, the majority probably will. -- Suzanne

[LisaS]

While this doesnt account for the 1br or 2br value units (possibly located in the new building???), it is amazing how well the numbers add up.

This analysis also doesn't account for the apparent missing square footage: 3 X 381 should be 1,143 sf, but the 2BR lockoffs are only supposed to measure 943 sf.My guide told me that the 1BRs in the lodge will be either 629sf or 710sf and the 1BRs in the new building will be 807sf. So if that is correct, then I would think the smaller Lodge 1BRs would be value villas. The size difference between the two Lodge 1BRs is about 80sf which is approximately the difference between 2 AKL standard rooms and 2 deluxe rooms.

[LisaS]

Thanks Lisa! Let's see if I get this right ...

[Extremely well-written summary of villa types removed to shorten this quote... See Robin's post!]

I assume that all the rooms will have the traditional DVC amenities like fridge, microwave, oven, laundry, whirlpool, etc depending on the size of the unit.
Excellent summary! This is what I have pieced together from what I've read here on the boards, some info I got from my guide and speculation based on what I know (and what others have posted) about the rooms at AKL. I will feel better when Disney releases something official about the number and types of villas! My guide also described the layout of a 1BR to me and said there would be a washer and dryer and a whirlpool tub. She described the dining area as similar to SSR and BCV with the bench seat. She didn't say whether this applied to 1BRs in the Lodge or the new building or to both buildings.

[SuzanneSLO]

According to the Membership Agreement recorded for AKV, a 1 BR will have 1 BR, 1 Bath and a Full Kitchen and a 2 BR will have 2 BRs, 2 Baths and a Full Kitchen. A studio will have 1 BR, 1 Bath and a microwave, under counter refigerator and sink. A Full Kitchen will consist of a dishwasher, range, sink, oven and refigerator.

-- Suzanne

[spiceycat]

okay am I the only one who really, really wants to see these things?

when are they opening the models?

[bobbiwoz]

okay am I the only one who really, really wants to see these things?

...

No, me too! I can't wait to see the models! Bobbi

[PrincessJasmine08]

My guide told me that the 1BRs in the lodge will be either 629sf or 710sf and the 1BRs in the new building will be 807sf. So if that is correct, then I would think the smaller Lodge 1BRs would be value villas. The size difference between the two Lodge 1BRs is about 80sf which is approximately the difference between 2 AKL standard rooms and 2 deluxe rooms.

How big is a one bedroom at say BCV or BWV?

[lisareniff]

Suzanne- Did you add in the suites to your calculations? The Pres. and VP suites are on the 5th. I also would not be surprised to find out that all the 1 bedroom suites were on the 5th. I know at least some are. I think that there is only 1 one bedroom on the 5th. IF all the 2 bedroom suites are on the 5th, 1 one bedroom and the VP and Pres suites then that would be equilivent to ~46 more rooms.

[LisaS]

How big is a one bedroom at say BCV or BWV?My guide gave me some figures for BWV and SSR for comparison. I don't have any info about villa sizes at BCV.

BWV 1BR: 814sf, Studio: 412sf
SSR 1BR: 714sf, Studio: 355sf

[SuzanneSLO]

Suzanne- Did you add in the suites to your calculations? The Pres. and VP suites are on the 5th. I also would not be surprised to find out that all the 1 bedroom suites were on the 5th. I know at least some are. I think that there is only 1 one bedroom on the 5th. IF all the 2 bedroom suites are on the 5th, 1 one bedroom and the VP and Pres suites then that would be equilivent to ~46 more rooms.

Lisa: I didn't count any suites even though I assumed some of them were probably on the 5th floor. Anyone think that these might be converted to Grand Villas? That woudl be consistent with giving a price for GVs in 2007 and 2008.

That, of course, would throw the numbers I added together off, but it was weird how converting 3 deluxes to a 2 BR and adding the number of dedicated studios added up to exactly the number of rooms in the first phase.:teacher:

--Suzanne

[Dean]

My guide gave me some figures for BWV and SSR for comparison. I don't have any info about villa sizes at BCV.

BWV 1BR: 814sf, Studio: 412sf
SSR 1BR: 714sf, Studio: 355sfThe numbers come from the website and they are wrong for BWV. BCV. VWL and BWV are all essentially the same.

[PrincessJasmine08]

The numbers come from the website and they are wrong for BWV. BCV. VWL and BWV are all essentially the same.

And what is that essentially the same number? I am just trying to figure out how much bigger the new AKV one bedrooms are.

[SuzanneSLO]

According to the Unofficial Guide:

SSR: S -- 355 sf; 1BR -- 714; 2BR -- 1075; GV -- 2113
BCV: S -- 356; 1BR -- 726; 2BR -- 1083
VWL: S -- 356; 1BR -- 727; 2BR -- 1080; GV -- 2202
BWV: S -- 412; 1BR -- 814; 2BR -- 1236; GV -- 2491
OKW: S -- 376; 1Br -- 942; 2BR -- 1333; GV -- 2202

-- Suzanne

[spiceycat]

According to the Unofficial Guide:

SSR: S -- 355 sf; 1BR -- 714; 2BR -- 1075; GV -- 2113
BCV: S -- 356; 1BR -- 726; 2BR -- 1083
VWL: S -- 356; 1BR -- 727; 2BR -- 1080; GV -- 2202
BWV: S -- 412; 1BR -- 814; 2BR -- 1236; GV -- 2491
OKW: S -- 376; 1Br -- 942; 2BR -- 1333; GV -- 2202

-- Suzanne

those aren't right either - at least BWV s - is wrong.

OKW is definitely bigger than BWV studio.

for some reason they use the BWV studio dedicated for both the studio and -1bedroom and added those together for 2-bedroom - when the 2-bedroom can't be two dedicated:rotfl2:

here is the one for the lock off
BoardWalk Villas Studio - 359
BoardWalk Villas One-Bedroom - 712
BoardWalk Villas Two-Bedroom - 1071

Disney is doing the same thing so it is just not Unofficial. Disney hasn't read the public offering either.:laughing:

not laughing at you - just Disney and unofficial who didn't take the time to read the PO that DVC put out with each and every DVC resort.

these agencies will again with AKV only use the higher (never the lower - even when it is closer to the majority of units) sq ft.

[LisaS]

here is the one for the lock off
BoardWalk Villas Studio - 359
BoardWalk Villas One-Bedroom - 712
BoardWalk Villas Two-Bedroom - 1071
But if those are the correct numbers, then the numbers for the other resorts are wrong too because there is no way that the BWV 1BRs are the smallest of all the resorts.

I've only been in 1BRs at OKW, BWV and SSR but just looking at the 360-degree tours, you can see how much open floorspace remains with the furniture in place and there is no way BWVs have the smallest 1BRs.

ETA: I guess now in addition to pool thermometers, we all have to bring tape measures so we can provide accurate measurements of the size of the villas! :rotfl:

[JodyTG]

okay am I the only one who really, really wants to see these things?

when are they opening the models?

You're not the only one spicey. I want to at least see the layout of the rooms, since they're going to be different than the others.

[SuzanneSLO]

I think the confusion about BWV comes from the dedicated studio units which are supposed to be 412 sf. But the BWV offering documents clearly state that the BWV 2BR lockoffs are 1226 sf, but I agree that they don't appear to be larger than those at SSR.

By the way, I think we are going to find out that the "larger" units at AKV is just an urban myth fueled by the reported higher occupancy. The disclosure documents show a 2BR lockoff to be 1075 sf, exactly the size of a similar unit at SSR. Replace the chair in the corner of the MB in SSR, BCV, BWV or VWL with a fold-out sleeper chair and you will have the same occupancy as reported for AKV.

-- Suzanne

[kdzgon]

...
Based on information made publicly available, there will be 134 AKV rooms in the current AKL building on the 5th and 6th floor. Base dont eh allearsnet inof, there are 33 deluxe pool view rooms, 191 savannah view and 55 deluxe concierge, for a total of 279 deluxe rooms. If you assume that a 2 BR lockoff will consist of 3 deluxe rooms combined, then there will be 93 2br lockoffs as follows: 11 pool view; about 64 savannah view; and about 18 former concierge (with mostly savannah but also some pool views).....

--Suzanne

According to my guide, there will be 10 concierge rooms total (max); 5 studios and 5 1 BR OR if all are used as 2 BR lock-offs at once, effectively 5 concierge rooms.

Any math wizards out there? As there are only 35,000 points avail right now, doesn't that convert to estimated available room availability?

[spiceycat]

But if those are the correct numbers, then the numbers for the other resorts are wrong too because there is no way that the BWV 1BRs are the smallest of all the resorts.

EITA: I guess now in addition to pool thermometers, we all have to bring tape measures so we can provide accurate measurements of the size of the villas! :rotfl:

BWV and AKV have something in common - not every room is the same size.

I have been in the dedicated studio and lock out studio - believe me the dedicated is bigger.

I felt the livingroom area was definitely smaller at BWV than VWL - of course I have only been in 1-bedroom BWV that was preferred. My normal is standard. this was a lock out at both places.

sorry I am just not enough familiar with the 1-bedroom - I generally stay in studio - okay I am cheap!!!

[nuttylawprofessor]

According to the Unofficial Guide:

SSR: S -- 355 sf; 1BR -- 714; 2BR -- 1075; GV -- 2113
BCV: S -- 356; 1BR -- 726; 2BR -- 1083
VWL: S -- 356; 1BR -- 727; 2BR -- 1080; GV -- 2202
BWV: S -- 412; 1BR -- 814; 2BR -- 1236; GV -- 2491
OKW: S -- 376; 1Br -- 942; 2BR -- 1333; GV -- 2202

-- Suzanne

You all are cracking me up. You're noticing discrepancies of 10 sq. ft. here and there, but are missing the report of a WILDERNESS LODGE GRAND VILLA in the Unofficial Guide. :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

[jdg345]

You all are cracking me up. You're noticing discrepancies of 10 sq. ft. here and there, but are missing the report of a WILDERNESS LODGE GRAND VILLA in the Unofficial Guide. :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

:lol: ...

[SuzanneSLO]

Oh, you mean GV stands for Grand Villa?? What's that? ;) We usually stay in studios. -- Suzanne

[Dean]

According to the Unofficial Guide:

SSR: S -- 355 sf; 1BR -- 714; 2BR -- 1075; GV -- 2113
BCV: S -- 356; 1BR -- 726; 2BR -- 1083
VWL: S -- 356; 1BR -- 727; 2BR -- 1080; GV -- 2202
BWV: S -- 412; 1BR -- 814; 2BR -- 1236; GV -- 2491
OKW: S -- 376; 1Br -- 942; 2BR -- 1333; GV -- 2202

-- SuzanneThey took them right from the website. Previously they had different numbers for BWV, basically the same as BCV and VWL which are more correct realizing that any numbers is either an average or some other method (mode) of representing the majority of the rooms. The numbers posted would suggest they measured the wrap around rooms on the corners that are larger. Allearsnet has it 359/712/1,071/2,142 as Pat suggests and are c/w my notes from when it opened. This is the info that DVC previously had posted online, don't know exactly when or why they changed it.

[LisaS]

BWV and AKV have something in common - not every room is the same size.

I have been in the dedicated studio and lock out studio - believe me the dedicated is bigger.Thanks, Spicey. At this point I don't know what to make of the villa sizes the guides are sharing about AKV. If we can't trust the numbers they have published about the other resorts, can we have any faith in what they are saying about the villa sizes at AKV? I guess I'll have to wait for some subjective impressions from the first DISboard members to stay at AKV.

Hey, if I had one of those Owner's Lockers, I could keep my tape measure in it!

[LisaS]

You all are cracking me up. You're noticing discrepancies of 10 sq. ft. here and there, but are missing the report of a WILDERNESS LODGE GRAND VILLA in the Unofficial Guide. :rotfl2: :rotfl2:Keep your voice down! When they talk about Disney's "Best Kept Secret", this is it. Only VWL owners know about them so please keep this to yourself. ;)

[lisareniff]

I posted this on another thread but thought I would put it here as well...

Did anyone notice that only half of the Ostrich and Giraffe trails are included on this diagram? Maybe they are not taking all of the 5th floor??? :confused3
Anyone have any thoughts? Suzanne?

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[SuzanneSLO]

The Ground Lease to DVC describes the entire 5th and 6th floor as being Leased to DVC for its use. Except for rights to use the concierge lounge, there is no mention of any of the space still being made available as part of the AKL. I think the drawing you posted is just part of a series of drawings.
--Suzanne

[LisaS]

The Ground Lease to DVC describes the entire 5th and 6th floor as being Leased to DVC for its use. Except for rights to use the concierge lounge, there is no mention of any of the space still being made available as part of the AKL. I think the drawing you posted is just part of a series of drawings.
--SuzanneI took another look at the Memorandum of Ground & Improvements Lease for AKV. In the diagram of the Fifth Floor Ground Lease on page 4, the dark line designating the perimeter of the ground lease appears to exclude some of the AKL rooms that face the parking lot.

[spiceycat]

oh boy I gave the wrong information on the dis resorts forum...

I though it was only the Kuku trail.

so most of the 5th floor?

[SuzanneSLO]

I took another look at the Memorandum of Ground & Improvements Lease for AKV. In the diagram of the Fifth Floor Ground Lease on page 4, the dark line designating the perimeter of the ground lease appears to exclude some of the AKL rooms that face the parking lot.

Lisa: That's a great catch! I think you are right that most of the parking view rooms ont he 5th floor will not be leased and will stay with the AKL. Only the furthest 6 rooms on the southwest corner facing the parking lot will be included. That means only about 2-6 of the Value rooms will face the parking lot!

-- Suzanne

[LisaS]

Lisa: That's a great catch! I think you are right that most of the parking view rooms ont he 5th floor will not be leased and will stay with the AKL. Only the furthest 6 rooms on the southwest corner facing the parking lot will be included. That means only about 2-6 of the Value rooms will face the parking lot!

-- SuzanneIt was Lisareniff's catch (back in post #58). I went looking through the documents for any text that might describe which rooms were excluded. I didn't find what I was looking for but did find another drawing confirming what she had spotted -- that except for that one corner, only half of the Ostrich and Giraffe trails are included within the perimeter lines. So what does that do to the room count? And I wonder why those rooms are excluded?

Looks like there could be fewer value villas, but also fewer parking lot views.

[lisareniff]

Well, I'm happy that there will be less parking lot views! Cool! Those value room could be really nice for the price.

I wonder why they included those ~6 parking lot view rooms? Laundry room? Other service rooms? Did they just need a couple more? :confused3

:blush: I have the hardest time remembering the names on the documents published on the goverment websites.

[spiceycat]

I posted this on another thread but thought I would put it here as well...

Did anyone notice that only half of the Ostrich and Giraffe trails are included on this diagram? Maybe they are not taking all of the 5th floor??? :confused3
Anyone have any thoughts? Suzanne?

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Lisa I do appreciate this - but I can't read it - can you or someone make it bigger?

what the heck I will just copy it to that other post.

thanks so much!!!

[lisareniff]

Lisa I do appreciate this - but I can't read it - can you or someone make it bigger?

what the heck I will just copy it to that other post.

thanks so much!!!

I don't know if there is really much to read on it (I at least I didn't find any importance). I just visually noticed from the drawing that the Ostrich and Giraffe trails were not full width.