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Chuck S
01-24-2007, 09:53 AM
Our moderators work very hard to keep the DIS a safe and friendly place for all visitors. As much as we wish everyone would always get along, there are always going to be issues when you have this many people in one place.
Historically we have handled these issues with warnings, bannings and not much in between.

This has resulted in several recurring complaints from users. The first is penalties were applied in an inconsistent manner. Another common complaint is that people were not properly notified.
We have put a new system in place that we believe will address those issues as well as make the process more open and transparent.

All infractions of board rules will be addressed by a point system. You can see the various infractions and point values by looking at our board guidelines page located here:

http://www.wdwinfo.com/guidelines.htm

The way it works is really pretty simple. If you violate a rule the webmaster or moderator will click a button that assigns the proper point value to the infraction. At that point they must send a private message to the user, it will not allow them give the infraction without it. It will also generate a thread on the host board so we can track infractions.

Please note that private messaging is the official notification method, if you don't check your private messages you will not be notified. If you are banned you will get a pop up box listing the reason when you log in.
The moderator or webmaster has the choice to send a "warning" with no points for some of the minor infractions.

We can't possibly cover every situation with these guidelines. In a case where someone is "playing the system" or something is against board rules but not covered on this list we will still deal with it.

I will start a thread on the tech support board for any questions you may have on this process

We hope that by opening up this process we can create a better, friendlier atmosphere on the DIS and make the largest Disney discussion forum an even better place to be!

greenban
01-24-2007, 10:01 AM
I may have been the first banned under this new system, yeah me!

Chuck, is there anyway for a violator to check their current points? Will they expire in time like DMV points?

Can the PM block be modified to let others users know that the suspended person's PM are blocked for a time limited suspension, instead of, ..."You may not send PM's to this user?..."

I received several emails of concern from friends (yes I still have a couple left ;) ), wondering what I had done this time.

Otherwise, FWIW, I appreciate the improved communications to the violator, and the addition of consistent consequences for similar ciolations, I think it really reinstates a principal of fairness, that some found missing here!

-Tony

P.S. was I the first banning, if so, where is that Tag Fairy when you need him/her/it?

Perhaps, keeping the GREEN in BANNING?

Chuck S
01-24-2007, 10:21 AM
I don't know if individual users can see their point totals or not. If so, here is where it will show:

Click on your user name in a post and go to "view public profile" once you are there, look for a link that says either DISBoards Profile or Forum profile and click on that. If the total is available to users, it will show up just under the first area, where it shows your username and avatar. It will show your points along with the post that garnered the warning or points, and if points were assessed, it will show the expiration date of those points.

mikesmom
01-24-2007, 10:38 AM
Guys!
I can certainly see that rules have to be in place and why you have gone to a point system. And, I really appreciate the amount of work the mods put in to keep this place tidy and civil.

That being said, I would beg you not to get too overly scrupulous about the "sarcastic and argumentative". One of the most beloved and well-remembered posters around here was Richyams. Even now there is a thread over on DVC about how much people miss him. I suspect he often crossed the line into some people's definition of sarcastic and argumentative. For a lot of us, he was a grand source of humor - I for one looked forward to his posts. They elicited every reaction from head shaking to uncontrolled laughter. Again, I realize we must have rules, but let's not get too plain vanilla.

salmoneous
01-24-2007, 10:54 AM
There are several questions you guys need to address:

1) If I don't use all my points this year, can I bank them to next year?

2) Can I transfer my points to another user? Can I do more than one transfer a year?

3) Do points have a "home board" - that is, if I spend most of my time on the DVC boards, should I try and get points with violations there, or should I go to some other board where it's easier to get points?

4) If I wanted to sell my points - I'm not sure why someone would want to buy them, but you never know - is that allowed?

Chuck S
01-24-2007, 10:58 AM
3) Do points have a "home board" - that is, if I spend most of my time on the DVC boards, should I try and get points with violations there, or should I go to some other board where it's easier to get points?




Points, just like DVC banking, are cummulative totals. And like the 7 month window, points are points, it doesn't matter which board they come from. ;)

greenban
01-24-2007, 10:59 AM
There are several questions you guys need to address:

1) If I don't use all my points this year, can I bank them to next year?

2) Can I transfer my points to another user? Can I do more than one transfer a year?

3) Do points have a "home board" - that is, if I spend most of my time on the DVC boards, should I try and get points with violations there, or should I go to some other board where it's easier to get points?

4) If I wanted to sell my points - I'm not sure why someone would want to buy them, but you never know - is that allowed?

Sal:

I :love: LOVE:love: this post!

Thank You!!!

-Tony

I do have warning points available for rent or transfer, please PM me.

Also Chuck:

It does show!

I have two listings for the same infraction, first one from WMD, which was a warning, and then a second from you 22 minutes later for the same infraction, this time with points. It also shows my current point total, and the date they expire. Cool system. So can everyone checkout my 'Police' record'?

I also clicked on ignore greenban, how do I undo that, now that I can no longer see myself?

-Tony

BikeFan
01-24-2007, 11:06 AM
:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Some of you people are hilarious!

More questions:

1. Will there be maintainance fees for these points? How much will they go up each year? Will there be a monthy payment option?

2. How much is per point buy-in? Will there be introductory specials/referral credits?

;)

Chuck S
01-24-2007, 11:11 AM
Sal:

I :love: LOVE:love: this post!

Thank You!!!

-Tony

I do have warning points available for rent or transfer, please PM me.

Also Chuck:

It does show!

I have two listings for the same infraction, first one from WMD, which was a warning, and then a second from you 22 minutes later for the same infraction, this time with points. It also shows my current point total, and the date they expire. Cool system. So can everyone checkout my 'Police' record'?

I also clicked on ignore greenban, how do I undo that, now that I can no longer see myself?

-Tony

Since you can see them (I honestly don't know if everyone can...I hope not), notice that they are for two different posts. The system will automatically prevent more than one warning or infraction on any one post.

I'm guessing, if you really did ignore yourself :lmao: that you'll be able to fix it through your userCP buddy/ignore list

WebmasterDoc
01-24-2007, 12:14 PM
I may have been the first banned under this new system, yeah me!


Not even close, since the new system just started today. If you had been under the new system you still wouldn't be able to post since the minimum "timeout" ban is 10 days.

BUT ... If you want to be the first, just let me know. It can be arranged ! :smooth:

sweet48
01-24-2007, 01:22 PM
Ban Tony maybe he will get serious then.


Hey Tony wanted to say thanks for the points for December we had a great time.

we are now going to buying a piece of the action soon. thanks to you

LisaS
01-24-2007, 02:43 PM
I do have warning points available for rent or transfer, please PM me.Be careful, Tony! You may have just committed your first infraction under the new guidelines:

1. FOR SALE posts: For sale ads are strictly prohibited on any of the DISboards.

JimMIA
01-24-2007, 04:05 PM
I'm going to resist the golden opportunity to have a little fun at Tony's expense, but I do have four serious comments.

1. I appreciate all the work you mods do keeping this place running. I know you get big bucks, but still, it's an awful lot of work. Keep up the good work!

2. I think you guys worry too much about what people think of your efforts. This is a private board. If someone thinks you're unfair, doesn't like the way you run it, etc, etc, ad nauseum --they have the option of venturing elsewhere in the www.

The truth is, no matter what system you use, anyone who doesn't like the outcome is going to complain.

3. You might want to consider locking these threads and making them stickies. They will either turn into "nothing" threads, or they'll disappear in a day or so and the informational benefit of them will be lost.

4. On the new guidelines, a link to the signature guidelines would be helpful. Many posters don't know what they are, but they carry point penalties, and a simple link could clear up any ambiguity.

Chuck S
01-24-2007, 04:25 PM
It seems many people tend not to read sticky threads :(
But since you asked, here are the sig guidelines:

Your graphics may not exceed 550 pixels in width in total and or 200 pixels in height individually.

There is a limit of 3 graphics not including smilies.

Clipart may not exceed a cumulative size of 50,000 bytes (50k)

You may have up to 12 lines of text maximum in your signature inclusive of any code required to post your selected graphics

Links that lead to other sites must follow the rules stated in The DIS posting guidelines (http://www.wdwinfo.com/guidelines.htm)

The DIS reserves the right to remove any clipart, even if it meets these standards, that causes technical problems with the boards, or that we deem inappropriate.

If you have any questions or need help please visit our Tech Support Board (http://www.disboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=43)

Please note that the Official WISH clipart is exempt from these rules as are the Official Sponsor graphics.

dumbo71
01-24-2007, 04:43 PM
I have a question regarding this "new" point system.

I received a one point violation a while back, maybe a couple of weeks ago. I believe it was Carolmn that contacted me. At that time I'm pretty sure she told me the points never expire. Is that true?

Also, I agree with what Jimmia has posted here. It took a kind pm from a Diser before it sank in. Jimmia expanded on that pm. This is YOUR forum and you guys can "police" it however you see fit. If I'm CHOOSING to not follow stated rules then I should recieve violations and/or banning.

I know from my perspective and I'm sure Greenban's, things generally are not intentional.

Bottom line, this is a great forum and this new system should ensure it stays that way.

Edit: my point violation was listed there. It was assessed by Carol. It says expired. I thought she told me they never expire? Either way I like the system put into place even if it will likely effect me.

dumbo71
01-24-2007, 05:13 PM
Since you can see them (I honestly don't know if everyone can...I hope not), notice that they are for two different posts. The system will automatically prevent more than one warning or infraction on any one post.

I'm guessing, if you really did ignore yourself :lmao: that you'll be able to fix it through your userCP buddy/ignore list



Greenban, I checked and I cannot see your infractions, so yes it is private.

rinkwide
01-24-2007, 06:13 PM
This system is arbitrary, unfair and ridiculous. How can geenban and dumbo71 have points while I don't?

No worries though, I'm sure Tony will let me rent his.

CarolMN
01-24-2007, 06:30 PM
I have a question regarding this "new" point system.

I received a one point violation a while back, maybe a couple of weeks ago. I believe it was Carolmn that contacted me. At that time I'm pretty sure she told me the points never expire. Is that true?

...(snip)..........Edit: my point violation was listed there. It was assessed by Carol. It says expired. I thought she told me they never expire? Either way I like the system put into place even if it will likely effect me.

I kept a copy of the PMs that I sent you and just reviewed them. There is some "boiler plate" language (words at the top of the PM above the ----- and words at the bottom below the ------) that goes along with the infraction PM. The boiler plate stuff says that serious infractions never expire. The part I wrote made no mention of points at all.

FWIW, I sent that before the system was officially online and before the webmasters assigned points and expirations to the various infractions. Everything was set to the default value at that time.

dumbo71
01-24-2007, 07:33 PM
I kept a copy of the PMs that I sent you and just reviewed them. There is some "boiler plate" language (words at the top of the PM above the ----- and words at the bottom below the ------) that goes along with the infraction PM. The boiler plate stuff says that serious infractions never expire. The part I wrote made no mention of points at all.

FWIW, I sent that before the system was officially online and before the webmasters assigned points and expirations to the various infractions. Everything was set to the default value at that time.



Thanks I didn't have that pm anymore to reference. That clears things up.

greenban
01-24-2007, 08:42 PM
Be careful, Tony! You may have just committed your first infraction under the new guidelines:

1. FOR SALE posts: For sale ads are strictly prohibited on any of the DISboards.

My dearest LisaS:

My post clearly said for rent. Nothing is being sold.

(Another reason to join the PDRA, we are full of these techniques! ;)

-Tony

greenban
01-24-2007, 08:45 PM
Not even close, since the new system just started today. If you had been under the new system you still wouldn't be able to post since the minimum "timeout" ban is 10 days.

BUT ... If you want to be the first, just let me know. It can be arranged ! :smooth:


Doc, if you can arrainge a Tag Fairy visit, then yes, it would be worth a ten day banning to me! :scared1:

Keeping to the song motif.....I'm so vain, I thought this banning was about me, and my ascot is apricot!

-Tony

WebmasterDoc
01-24-2007, 09:52 PM
Doc, if you can arrainge a Tag Fairy visit, then yes, it would be worth a ten day banning to me! :scared1:

Keeping to the song motif.....I'm so vain, I thought this banning was about me, and my ascot is apricot!

-Tony

So, you're striving to earn yet another ban? You might want to keep in mind the number of points you already have and really take a look at the infraction chart (and keep in mind the other warnings you have already received) before you get too glib about wanting something else. I would also want you to recall your past before doing something to further exacerbate your relationship on the DIS.

The Tag Fairy can't really be bought, but if you decide to go for that next ban, I'll put in a good word for you ;) - the only problem is that most likely no one would ever get to see the tag you earn - but I'm certain it would be a good one!

Be careful what you ask for ... you just might get it.

keys2kingdom
01-24-2007, 10:17 PM
I haven't heard the word 'glib' since the big Matt Lauer/Tom Cruise blowup.

God I hate conflict, it's making me nervous. I have to leave the thread.....

I do think the new system is a good idea though, just wanted to weigh in before I go hide in the corner.

CarolA
01-24-2007, 11:01 PM
Considering the screaming over changes in Disney I am amazed at the reaction here.

Personally I find this a very distrubing trend. I think the DIS just turned into a kindergarden class. I have a theory on public message boards. "If you can't take the heat stay out of the fire" Apparently I am alone in this theory.

All I can say is that I have usually supported the board owner actions, but this one disturbs me. I went and read the "point" system and it is ripe for abuse. I have sent the webmaster an email expressing my concerns.

greenban
01-25-2007, 06:25 AM
So, you're striving to earn yet another ban? You might want to keep in mind the number of points you already have and really take a look at the infraction chart (and keep in mind the other warnings you have already received) before you get too glib about wanting something else. I would also want you to recall your past before doing something to further exacerbate your relationship on the DIS.

The Tag Fairy can't really be bought, but if you decide to go for that next ban, I'll put in a good word for you ;) - the only problem is that most likely no one would ever get to see the tag you earn - but I'm certain it would be a good one!

Be careful what you ask for ... you just might get it.


Doc, somehow, my intent gets translated when put into words.

No, I am not striving for a banning. But I would accept a banning right now for ten days (without an additional misdeed on my part) for the good word with the TF.

In otherwords, I am willing to be banned ten days now, if the Tag Fairy will agree to review my sad lack of tags. I mean banning without additional misdeed. A trade if you will. (Hopefully, this does not belong on the R/T sub!)

Perhaps, "So desperate for a tag, he choose banning. Actually that is pretty lame, but hopefully the idea is clear.

TIA,

-Tony

Whether believed or not, I never intentionaly seek banning!

WebmasterDoc
01-25-2007, 06:50 AM
OK- I left a message for the TF with your offer. The response was that a "tag" will cost you 70 points and you can have any tag you'd like. It's a special offer just for you! :)

OR ... If you really want ONLY a ten day ban, then that's how long the tag would last too but no points would be involved.

Deal ... or no Deal?

Chuck S
01-25-2007, 09:24 AM
Considering the screaming over changes in Disney I am amazed at the reaction here.

Personally I find this a very distrubing trend. I think the DIS just turned into a kindergarden class. I have a theory on public message boards. "If you can't take the heat stay out of the fire" Apparently I am alone in this theory.

All I can say is that I have usually supported the board owner actions, but this one disturbs me. I went and read the "point" system and it is ripe for abuse. I have sent the webmaster an email expressing my concerns.

But in reality, not a whole lot changes. In the past, we mods would delete/edit posts and send PM warnings. If those warnings were ignored, further action was taken. Same now, only we have automatic documentation and the person getting the warnig or infraction has no doubt about the consequences if they choose to continue their actions.
It also, for the first time, gives mods the ability to immediately get rid of spammers and people that have re-registered after being banned rather than having to contact Webmasters to deal with them while the person continues to post.

Point and warning systems, while new to the DIS, have been used on many intenet boards, some where I have admin rights, and they are a useful tool.

Muushka
01-25-2007, 11:06 AM
I just use the "ignore a poster" feature and stay off the Rent Trade board and I should be all right. Hopefully.

dumbo71
01-25-2007, 11:47 AM
But in reality, not a whole lot changes. In the past, we mods would delete/edit posts and send PM warnings. If those warnings were ignored, further action was taken. Same now, only we have automatic documentation and the person getting the warnig or infraction has no doubt about the consequences if they choose to continue their actions.
It also, for the first time, gives mods the ability to immediately get rid of spammers and people that have re-registered after being banned rather than having to contact Webmasters to deal with them while the person continues to post.

Point and warning systems, while new to the DIS, have been used on many intenet boards, some where I have admin rights, and they are a useful tool.



It certainly sounds fair to me Chuck.

The thing that really hits home with me is this: You guys are here volunteering your time to ensure we all have this great forum to post on. When someone is attacking others, spamming, etc. it just simply puts a burden on these volunteers. It isn't fair to do that and being a former violator I feel terrible about it.

Remember without these men and women there is no Dis.

greenban
01-25-2007, 11:55 AM
OK- I left a message for the TF with your offer. The response was that a "tag" will cost you 70 points and you can have any tag you'd like. It's a special offer just for you! :)

OR ... If you really want ONLY a ten day ban, then that's how long the tag would last too but no points would be involved.

Deal ... or no Deal?

Ouch! This is a hard decision. Howie, I mean Doc, I need some more info before I choose.

70 points is not on the infraction list. It falls between a 30 day ban and permanent ban.

If I accept this deal, how long will I be banned for?

It is worth it for a 30 day ban, but not for a lifetime ban, as I hope to live another 50 or so years.

Phone it into the banker, errrr TF and let me know!

-Tony

WebmasterDoc
01-25-2007, 12:06 PM
Ouch! This is a hard decision. Howie, I mean Doc, I need some more info before I choose.

70 points is not on the infraction list. It falls between a 30 day ban and permanent ban.

If I accept this deal, how long will I be banned for?

It is worth it for a 30 day ban, but not for a lifetime ban, as I hope to live another 50 or so years.

Phone it into the banker, errrr TF and let me know!

-Tony

The banker says that this was a special offer - just for you - which is the reason it's not on the usual menu. If you already have any unexpired points, the 70 would be added to those and the appropriate ban for that number of points would be applied. Those 70 points would also never expire. It's your choice. I don't know how long this special offer will last, so you'd better decide quickly.

Choose Wisely! :smooth:

greenban
01-25-2007, 12:08 PM
The banker says that this was a special offer - just for you - which is the reason it's not on the usual menu. If you already have any unexpired points, the 70 would be added to those and the appropriate ban for that number of points would be applied. Those 70 points would also never expire. It's your choice. I don't know how long this special offer will last, so you'd better decide quickly.

Choose Wisely! :smooth:


I know many will be DISappointed, but my use and enjoyment of the DISboards is too dear to me, so sadly, "NO DEAL!"

-Tony

The DVC whimp!

P.S. Thanks for all the extra work in getting me this offer!

DVCconvert
01-25-2007, 06:25 PM
I'd say 'the banker' needs to spend more time in WDW! ;)

(It's good for the blood pressure! and Enhances one's viewpoints on all aspects of life)

NOTE: for the purposes of the new point system, this is NOT an attack on "the banker", merely a recommendation of an alternative perspective :)