A good use for resort id

[callnamegrumpy]

During a recent vist to SSR DW and I had two incedents with WDW busses that made me think about using current resort id on WDW buses. First incedent, while waiting at Typhoon Lagoon to return to SSR a woman and her daughter walks up to the bus stop and says "The other bus driver said to take this bus to DTD" I said to her "What resort are you staying at?" her reply was " They were not staying at Disney, but at ---- hotel on International drive, and while her husband and son were at Typhoon she was going shopping, now i know there is nothing illegal about using the bus, and before i could tell her the better choice would be the bus going to Pop Century, another person at the stop said "yes this is the bus, but it will go through SSR first" then her response was "how long will that take? Now the second incedent, two days later while taking the early am bus to MGM the bus pulls up to the stop inside SSR close to DTD, a group of 16 teen aged girls with 4 adult woman get on the bus, one of the woman were seated near me, so i said " you folks have a pretty big group. are you staying in a couple of grand villas" her reply suprised me she said "Oh we aren"t staying here, we just walked over from ----- on Buena Vista Blvd. and take these busses. Now my point is back in 1994 when the family stayed at the original Vacation Club (now OKW) I seem to remember the WDW bus drivers asked to see our resort id to board. I think with todays security concerns, if Disney were to post signage notice that currrent resort id required to board WDW transportation busses traveling to or from WDW resorts. I am certian Disney is already spending a ton of $$ printing those resort id that i seem to take every where any way since its my room key anyway. When we pull up to security gate at any resort we have to have a valid reason to enter, but anyone can get on a WDW bus (let's say at DTD at 1 AM) and go to any resort. I for one would not feel any imposition being asked to show current resort id to use WDW transportion busses traveling to or from WDW resorts.

[starbox]

I think with todays security concerns, if Disney were to post signage notice that currrent resort id required to board WDW transportation busses traveling to or from WDW resorts. I am certian Disney is already spending a ton of $$ printing those resort id that i seem to take every where any way since its my room key anyway. When we pull up to security gate at any resort we have to have a valid reason to enter, but anyone can get on a WDW bus (let's say at DTD at 1 AM) and go to any resort.

Except Disney is reeeeeaaaalllly happy to have park guests hop on a bus to go to a resort to dine rather than go to the Olive Garden near their non-Disney resort room! :rotfl:

[robinb]

The lady who was taking the bus to shop at DTD was doing nothing wrong. Disney bus transportation is included in the price of their admission media. As for checking IDs on every bus ride ... you may not think it would be an imposition, but I sure do! I would be annoyed if I had to show ID on the bus just as I am annoyed that I have to show ID when I drive into a resort. It's just not worth inconveniencing every single resort guest to stop 16 people from walking all the way from Buena Vista Blvd to SSR (a good 15-30 minute walk) in order to get to MGM.

[Kycha]

All WDW transportation is included with your park admission. Period.

[I'mNoPrince]

I understand why they don't (don't want to offend any potential guest) But ITA. I'm sorta surprised with all the other seclusion of walkways at the other resorts that SSR is so open to the general population. A security gate with just KTTK card access would be nice there as well and would halt some of the Bus hopping.

My dues pay for non-paying Disney guest to ride around all they want. I accept that as a fact of whats Disney is doing but I don't have to like it.

[Deb & Bill]

...My dues pay for non-paying Disney guest to ride around all they want. I accept that as a fact of whats Disney is doing but I don't have to like it.

You and me, Terry.

[DisDaydreamer]

I don't know if the additional passengers are weighing heavy on the capacity of the bus or displacing DVC'rs. If so, then I think you are right that either room keys or park passes should be required for use. Otherwise, I think Disney is getting some cheap advertising and planting positive subliminal impressions on future Disney/DVC guests.

[DisDaydreamer]

All WDW transportation is included with your park admission. Period.

True, but did she purchase park admission? or just her husband and son? Personally, I don't care, but technically...?

[starbox]

Otherwise, I think Disney is getting some cheap advertising and planting positive subliminal impressions on future Disney/DVC guests.

I had no idea I wanted to buy Hunchback of Notre Dame II on Disney DVD or see that pigeon movie that started with an "A" (or was it a "V")? until I rode the bus! :rotfl: :rotfl: And why doesn't that whatshisname XY kid have a bellybutton??? I'll need to watch ABC to find out. :rotfl:

[Doctor P]

Unless things have changed, you must have one of the following to ride WDW transportation: 1) a resort ID; 2) an admission ticket that either allows park hopping OR is a multi-day ticket.

[Doug7856]

Unless things have changed, you must have one of the following to ride WDW transportation: 1) a resort ID; 2) an admission ticket that either allows park hopping OR is a multi-day ticket.

Dr. P’s post raises a question in my mind. Since bus transportation is a “perk” for purchasing a multi-day ticket, does the theme park ticket “profit center” for Walt Disney World pay a fee to “subsidize” the resort transportation for non-result guests who choose to use this perk – especially if the bus drives continue to tell non-resort guests to use the resort buses for transportation?

[bluslag]

I always wondered about this too. Back when we first started staying at WDW we had to show our ID on the bus if it was asked for. It was kind of random. We got so we just had it out when we got on the bus. After a few more years it became evident that they were not asking for anymore. I never gave it much thought but it is more convienant not having to show it. I like it the way it is now.

[dvc_john]

All WDW transportation is included with your park admission. Period.

I disagree.

Park to park transportation is included with your park admission.

Resort to park transportation is included with your hotel stay, and is paid for by either DVC dues or from hotel revenues.

As recently as a year or so ago I had to show a park ticket to ride the monorail. (It was a rare occurance.)
And years ago you had to show a resort ID to ride a resort bus.

[DisDaydreamer]

I had no idea I wanted to buy Hunchback of Notre Dame II on Disney DVD or see that pigeon movie that started with an "A" (or was it a "V")? until I rode the bus! :rotfl: :rotfl: And why doesn't that whatshisname XY kid have a bellybutton??? I'll need to watch ABC to find out. :rotfl:

That's ok... make fun of me. I'm at peace. :hippie:

[HUFF590]

I would have no problem showing my ID anywhere, bus, SSR walkway etc, the 3 seconds it would take would not bother me IMO.:cool1:

[waltfan1957]

During a recent vist to SSR DW and I had two incedents with WDW busses that made me think about using current resort id on WDW buses. First incedent, while waiting at Typhoon Lagoon to return to SSR a woman and her daughter walks up to the bus stop and says "The other bus driver said to take this bus to DTD" I said to her "What resort are you staying at?" her reply was " They were not staying at Disney, but at ---- hotel on International drive, and while her husband and son were at Typhoon she was going shopping, now i know there is nothing illegal about using the bus, and before i could tell her the better choice would be the bus going to Pop Century, another person at the stop said "yes this is the bus, but it will go through SSR first" then her response was "how long will that take? Now the second incedent, two days later while taking the early am bus to MGM the bus pulls up to the stop inside SSR close to DTD, a group of 16 teen aged girls with 4 adult woman get on the bus, one of the woman were seated near me, so i said " you folks have a pretty big group. are you staying in a couple of grand villas" her reply suprised me she said "Oh we aren"t staying here, we just walked over from ----- on Buena Vista Blvd. and take these busses. Now my point is back in 1994 when the family stayed at the original Vacation Club (now OKW) I seem to remember the WDW bus drivers asked to see our resort id to board. I think with todays security concerns, if Disney were to post signage notice that currrent resort id required to board WDW transportation busses traveling to or from WDW resorts. I am certian Disney is already spending a ton of $$ printing those resort id that i seem to take every where any way since its my room key anyway. When we pull up to security gate at any resort we have to have a valid reason to enter, but anyone can get on a WDW bus (let's say at DTD at 1 AM) and go to any resort. I for one would not feel any imposition being asked to show current resort id to use WDW transportion busses traveling to or from WDW resorts.

can go worse than that one night over xmas several of our friends staying at SSR were left at epcot, when on the bus nearly half the bus was asking which stop to get of at for DTD if the bus is not full then no problem but if there is more than a bus full in line then the driver should ask for resort id then if there is space non resort guests can get on,

[goldilocks_63]

I think they should check IDs....

When checking in, have to go thru the charade of being on the list.... but if you just park whereever, and hop on a bus, free and clear...

I think checking resort IDs is a fabulous idea.

Goldi

[cocoswife]

I think they should check IDs....

When checking in, have to go thru the charade of being on the list.... but if you just park whereever, and hop on a bus, free and clear...

I think checking resort IDs is a fabulous idea.

Goldi


I totally agree!!!

It seems to me that the moment this starts affecting us as owners, it should be stopped. Eventually people will start parking at DTD, walk to SSR and avoid paying the $10 parking fee. If you are taking a resort bus, you must have a resort id!! :headache:

[Kycha]

I totally agree!!!

It seems to me that the moment this starts affecting us as owners, it should be stopped. Eventually people will start parking at DTD, walk to SSR and avoid paying the $10 parking fee. If you are taking a resort bus, you must have a resort id!! :headache:

So, if a day guest has a reservation at a resort restaurant, what are they supposed to do???

[I'mNoPrince]

So, if a day guest has a reservation at a resort restaurant, what are they supposed to do???

2 things

either have the comfirmation on hand or

Go back to Resort places to eat are for resort guest only.

I know the last will not happen as nothing as long as they are not hearing a lot of complaints they don't know it's becoming a hardship on resort guest.

[Evil Princess]

I have been to Disney 15 times on vacation with my family, 14 of those times I stayed on property. I also did the college program this past fall, so I'd use Disney Transport sometimes if it made sense.

NEVER have I been asked to show my resort ID/cast ID/park hopper.

Now, I'm sure it's been done before, but I mean, with me being on a bus and monorail that many times, I'm surprised that I haven't even encountered it once.

I worked at Epcot, and I do know that during the holidays when we were starting to close in phases that the monorails from Epcot to Magic Kindom were asking to show a ticket or a Key to the World, since certain phases only let resort guests in and things like that. I'm a bit hazy on the details on that one since it was Christmas/New Years rush, but you get the idea.

[Chuck S]

For a few years after purchasing OKW (then DVC Resort) we had to our resort IDs for resort bus access...but that was before, when each resort had their own emblem on the resort ID. They could install a simple card reader on the busses that would be able to tell if you were a guest at a WDW resort or if you were a day guest, using a hopper. That way it wouldn't have to communicate with a central comouter, just look for a resort code in the account number.

[robinb]

They could install a simple card reader on the busses that would be able to tell if you were a guest at a WDW resort or if you were a day guest, using a hopper. That way it wouldn't have to communicate with a central comouter, just look for a resort code in the account number.That would work, but at what price in time? Those card readers work fine on public buses which pick up people at bus stops in ones or twos. But, have you ever seen a public bus load after a sporting event? It's slooooowwww. For what? To stop a few cheaters? IMO, it's not worth it in either time or cost.

FWIW, I stayed at SSR for 3 days in December in the Congress Park section (closest to DTD) and I think I only saw one group of non-SSR people using the SSR bus to get to DTD. They were waiting at the Congress Park bus stop for the DTD bus. Since there are no buses to DTD from any park, guests who want to shop at DTD have to take a bus to some resort to catch a bus to DTD. If it were me, I would also ride to SSR and walk!

[fishermouse]

The hardest part of any sale be it stores in DTD, resort resturants or DVC member sales is getting potential customers "in the door". With this in mind why would Disney stop anyone from traveling around WDW? To get to DTD via the SSR bus you have to tour the whole property before being let off at DTD. Just a coincidence? If you park at DTD and walk to SSR to get a bus you will have to backtrack when you leave and many people will shop at DTD. Disney would most likely add bus's before stopping the potential customers. IMO.
The gates at each resort just reduce unregisterd vehicle trafic, if you want to drive through just tell them you are eating at one of the resturants or that you just want to "check out " the resort they will always let you in unless it's late at night. I personally don't see any of this as a problem at this time if it gets out of hand I would expect Disney address it. Of course I try not to let anything bother me while I'm on vacation...:wizard:

[Kycha]

2 things

either have the comfirmation on hand or

Go back to Resort places to eat are for resort guest only.

I know the last will not happen as nothing as long as they are not hearing a lot of complaints they don't know it's becoming a hardship on resort guest.

I don't see either of these options happening.

[dianeschlicht]

What some of you are proposing sounds just short of a police state to me! I think ALL revenu generated from park tickets, resort guests and DVC members all contributes to the operation costs of the bus service, therefore ALL should have equal access to it. It's true that each resort (DVC and non-DVC) pays a service fee for bus subsidy to the resorts, but it all goes into one big pot.

[Doctor P]

What some of you are proposing sounds just short of a police state to me! I think ALL revenu generated from park tickets, resort guests and DVC members all contributes to the operation costs of the bus service, therefore ALL should have equal access to it. It's true that each resort (DVC and non-DVC) pays a service fee for bus subsidy to the resorts, but it all goes into one big pot.

That is my understanding as well. It is the Walt Disney World transportation system. I believe that any guest of WDW, whether a day guest or a resort guest, should be able to use the entire system as a result.

[klaubaugh]

I don't get too upset about the bus people EXCEPT for those using it to access the Extra Magic Morning Hours. If you are staying on Holtel Boulevard, then you aren't eligible - but by walking over and hopping on the SSR bus, you get in just like the rest of us. I believe for evening you have to show resort ID, but in the morning they just control it by transportation I believe.

[coachjoe92]

Anytime I have been to morning EMH they check resort ID at the gate.

[LIFERBABE]

Anytime I have been to morning EMH they check resort ID at the gate.


Ditto, EMH is not controlled by transportation morning or evening, you have to show resort ID. Many offsite people show up early to the parks and they are held at the gate.

I agree with Diane on this one. Also many of the DTD resorts are good neighbor resorts, and even though many provide their own transportation, they also pay Disney for their status and benefits.

Who gets to ride the boats? Only resort guests? A multi-day ticket can last for years. I dont want to be on the bus when a family is removed because they cant produce a confirmation or resort ID. Talk about potential confrontation! Where's the Magic in that?

I like it the way it is, you are not going to make every bus every time and you are not going to get a seat every time. Thats just life:wizard:

[Chuck S]

I don't know...I think there could be security issues. I mean, our bags are searched to enter the parks because of "terrorists", but those same "terrorists" can hop a bus to any resort without any sort of security check or even ID to show they "belong" on property?

If some nut case were going to do something to Walt Disney parks to cause a commotion, what would stop them from hopping on a bus and doing their damage a at a resort instead? It would still be very newsworth, headlines would still say "Terrorist Attacks Disney World!" If Disney is making a point with the bag search, shouldn't the resort where people stay be at least as secure as a park?

[loribell]

That is my understanding as well. It is the Walt Disney World transportation system. I believe that any guest of WDW, whether a day guest or a resort guest, should be able to use the entire system as a result.

That is what I have always heard to be the case as well. If you were any type of guest at WDW then the transportation system was there for you to use. I have never heard anywhere but here that it is just for resort guests. Of course that doesn't mean that I am just not completly informed but that is what I have always heard.

Lori

[robinb]

Disney's bag search and drivers license check at the report gates are just post-911 feel-good moves. It makes the guests feel as if they are safe.

[Chuck S]

That is what I have always heard to be the case as well. If you were any type of guest at WDW then the transportation system was there for you to use. I have never heard anywhere but here that it is just for resort guests. Of course that doesn't mean that I am just not completly informed but that is what I have always heard.

Lori

But, resort busses DID used to be for Resort guests...we had to show resort ID until about 1994 to use resort busses.

[dumbo71]

Maybe I'm missing something.

How did these off site guest get to the parks to begin with? Wouldn't they have a car?

I also thought transportation was a perk of staying on WDW property?:confused3

If all you need to do is have a WDW multi-day ticket to use it then maybe WDW should stop stating the transportation as a perk for staying on site.

Am I missing something?

[Doctor P]

From Birnbaum's (which as you know is an Official Guide published under the Disney name) 2006:

TRANSPORTATION ID REQUIREMENTS: "Guests who wish to use the Disney transportation system may be asked for proof of riding privileges. Accepted ID's afford different degrees of access. WDW resort ID cards, Magic Your Way tickets with Park Hopper options or Water Park & More options, and Annual Passes let guests use all Disney buses, monorails, and boats. Valid one-day theme park tickets permit guests to use monorails and the ferries running between the TTC and the Magic Kingdom, but do not allow use of buses."

As I suggested in an earlier post, with the advent of MYW tickets not all multi-day tickets are park hoppers nor are all one-day tickets single theme park tickets. So, the ticket requirement is now that you have a MYW with park hopping privileges in order to use the transportation (or an older park hopper ticket).

[loribell]

But, resort busses DID used to be for Resort guests...we had to show resort ID until about 1994 to use resort busses.

See that's the problem. I was never able to stay onsite until I finally didn't invite my mother to come along for our trip in 2001. She was to cheap to pay for an onsite hotel. Now that I have DVC however she loves being onsite!

Thanks for the info,
Lori

[DVCconvert]

If some nut case were going to do something to Walt Disney parks to cause a commotion, what would stop them from hopping on a bus and doing their damage a at a resort instead? It would still be very newsworth, headlines would still say "Terrorist Attacks Disney World!" If Disney is making a point with the bag search, shouldn't the resort where people stay be at least as secure as a park?


Looking at this as purely a security issue..."terrorists" would like cause multiple events at the same time...imagine the CR,YC/BC, and another resort 'going down' at the same time. Shudder Fox would have a field day. :(

[ont/ohana]

When we were at SSR the first week in Dec/06 there were people on every bust that were asking what stop to get off at for DTD. This could be a security problem as they walk directly through the pool area at CP. The bus drivers are even directing people at which stop to get off for DTD, would it be huge issue to ask which resort they are at? This may not seem like a large problem now but word travels fast. How would you feel when you line up for a bus at MK and it feels like you are in line at POP for the large number of riders trying to commute to DTD. This could be a very large issue in the future.

[Chuck S]

Looking at this as purely a security issue..."terrorists" would like cause multiple events at the same time...imagine the CR,YC/BC, and another resort 'going down' at the same time. Shudder Fox would have a field day. :(


Oh, very true...but isn't Disney trying to project the illusion of security? I mean, we have to show ID to drive into the resort parking lots...but anyone could hop a bus...

[DVCconvert]

Oh, very true...but isn't Disney trying to project the illusion of security? I mean, we have to show ID to drive into the resort parking lots...but anyone could hop a bus...

Absolutely! ..It does help folks feel 'good' about going into the parks, but like anywhere else in America (or the world for that matter) if someone bad wants to do something bad, they will (sadly).

Solely showing resort 'id' will not minimize this risk. :(

[Sk8Leigh]

Oh, very true...but isn't Disney trying to project the illusion of security? I mean, we have to show ID to drive into the resort parking lots...but anyone could hop a bus...

Or anyone could just make a reservation at a resort... :confused3

[FOTM_Ring_Bearer]

I've been going to WDW since 1976 and I remember them checking resort ids to ride the bus. I also remember it being a pain. I was really glad when they stopped. Just think about how much longer it would take to board the buses while everyone pulls out their resort id. Because I tell now, not everyone will have it ready and then you have to wait for them to dig it out. And for what? To stop a few people? It's not worth it.

[senecabeach]

Hey... ChuckS...... YOU must be as old as me ??:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

YESSIR... I remember back from 1971 into the 90's needing to show my resort id for buses, boat to Poly & CR....and "special" resort guest monorail around the world !! :cool1:

It was really a cool thing, especially when we saw people, not staying on site, turned away. Made us feel pretty lucky & proud!!

Guess "Disney Greed" really changed all that!!:mad:
Anything to bring in the almighty $$$$$ :mad: :mad:

[Chuck S]

Or anyone could just make a reservation at a resort... :confused3

But they would have contact info...address, phone, et al on a resort guest.

[Sk8Leigh]

But they would have contact info...address, phone, et al on a resort guest.

Not if it's all faked. If they were to really close things down for "security" and make the resorts for guests only, and someone really wanted to get in there to do something, they could set up fake information. Or if it was something like 9/11, do you think those guys would care if they gave their real info? It's not like they're going to do background checks on guests ahead of time. It's just a hotel.

[OneMoreTry]

My personal use for resort ID:

They're great for scraping ice off the windshield if it's not too thick. I always keep one in the glove compartment.

[DisDaydreamer]

Not if it's all faked.

Or let's just say it is a suicide renter :eek: (or Cash guest). Suicide bombers without a history will likely use legitimate name and address. Who is going to say "you're not allowed"? :confused3

[cobbler]

I do see the SSR bus use to DTD as being a problem. Every trip to a park and back on both my stays there were tons of people trying to get to DTD, not knowing when to get off and so on.

I just hope it doesn't grow worse.

[Chuck S]

Not if it's all faked. If they were to really close things down for "security" and make the resorts for guests only, and someone really wanted to get in there to do something, they could set up fake information. Or if it was something like 9/11, do you think those guys would care if they gave their real info? It's not like they're going to do background checks on guests ahead of time. It's just a hotel.


Can't really be faked for a cash guest at a regular WDW resort, they have to make payments before they arrive. And the new policy is you even have to pay in advance for same day arrival...at least I had to when I reserved our first night at POP, and I was calling from the car in Ocala. It used to be we paid for same day AP reservations at check-in.

DVC reservations have to be made by a member, so there is a trail there as well.

[coachjoe92]

I am not as concerned from the security standpoint as I am from the point of decreased SSR bus efficiency, whether they are "Legal Riders" or not.

[I'mNoPrince]

How this turned into a terrorist plot I have no idea.

The problem is and will remain people using the bus system instead of paying for parking. This cost will be passed along some how.

They will either start making you pay to park at the resorts (again not effecting the abusers) or pass the cost along in room fees and DVC MFs.

As far as the just letting anyone in I'm more concerned about the oppertunistic theif that could have a feild day stealing cars ot doing who knows what.We all know that terrorist can implant themselves into the general population and there's not much you can do about that on the level of WDW with the amount of people in and out on a daily basis.

I have never had a bus pass us by full or have to wait for the next one on all my trips. I just want to get what I paid for and others should have to pay the same thing.

[OneMoreTry]

....

I just want to get what I paid for and others should have to pay the same thing.

Isn't this what they said just before the American Revolution?

[fishermouse]

Oh, very true...but isn't Disney trying to project the illusion of security? I mean, we have to show ID to drive into the resort parking lots...but anyone could hop a bus...

Showing ID and getting a car pass is stricktly a parking issue. Yhey don't want the resort parking lots full of people riding bus's to the parks. You can also park to visit resot resturants etc.

[fishermouse]

I am not as concerned from the security standpoint as I am from the point of decreased SSR bus efficiency, whether they are "Legal Riders" or not.

"Legal Riders" We all need to find something more substantial to worry about. Not only are illegals taking our jobs now they're taking our bus seats. This has got to be George Bush's fault!:lmao:

[crisi]

If they have a hopper, they are legal riders and they paid their share of the costs when they got a hopper ticket. Doesn't matter if what they are staying at the Days Inn and want to do is ride the SSR bus from the MK to SSR all day long and never enter the park - once they possess the hopper, they are entitled to the ride.

As to the security issue - I think "Illusion" is the right word. Disney is really good at illusion, but I don't really care for it if the illusion of security is created with expense or inconvience on my part - such as having to show my room card. If they are giving me real security, maybe. But identity theft is too easy. Convincing someone who doesn't show up on a terrorist watch list to blow himself up doesn't seem to be that much harder. Too many Disney resorts are wide open - you can easily walk from the TTC to the Poly. From Epcot to BW or Y&BC. And Disney wants you to - they want the offsite guests to realize how beautiful and nice the onsite resorts are.

[Doctor P]

The problem with the SSR buses may not at all be "illegal" riders or even non-Disney resort guests. Some time ago they eliminated direct service from the theme parks to DD. Therefore, the best way to go to DD from a theme park is to ride the SSR bus and then walk there.

[kidsister]

How this turned into a terrorist plot I have no idea..

:rotfl: :rotfl: :lmao: :laughing:

I tend to think about things like having fun when I'm at the World. Of course, I'm a control freak CAR renter, so even tho I pay for the buses, I don't use them. Hey Now that's an idea...everyone who rides the bus should pay 1 penny towards my car rental while I'm there. Please send your check for reimbursement to : kidsister, PO Box 1, Nigeria. Thank you!

[korbbec]

I've been going to WDW since 1976 and I remember them checking resort ids to ride the bus. I also remember it being a pain. I was really glad when they stopped. Just think about how much longer it would take to board the buses while everyone pulls out their resort id. Because I tell now, not everyone will have it ready and then you have to wait for them to dig it out. And for what? To stop a few people? It's not worth it.


They had Disney busses back then? I went in 1979 and I don't remember any busses. Then again, I was 6. And we were in the Contemporary so the monorail was right there.

[fishermouse]

They had Disney busses back then? I went in 1979 and I don't remember any busses. Then again, I was 6. And we were in the Contemporary so the monorail was right there.
They were pulled by horses.:rotfl2:

[OneMoreTry]

They had Disney busses back then? I went in 1979 and I don't remember any busses. ......


Me neither.

I can't remember when it was, but I'll not forget the horror and disillusionment of my first sight of exhaust-spewing buses roaring around WDW. It's so mundane. Yeecchh.

Walt would hate it.


Has the issue of "bus abuse" ever been discussed at one of the annual condo association meetings?

[dumbo71]

Me neither.

I can't remember when it was, but I'll not forget the horror and disillusionment of my first sight of exhaust-spewing buses roaring around WDW. It's so mundane. Yeecchh.

Walt would hate it.


Has the issue of "bus abuse" ever been discussed at one of the annual condo association meetings?


Great point. I'm sure the monorail is Eco friendly. Monorail should be expanded to include all of the WDW resorts and DTD. No More busses.
It would be seen as a great eco move by Disney and be more efficient overall. Those busses clog up the roads and stink up the place.

For the record, I find the bus service so bad that I drive to the parks unless I have access to the monorail. I'd love to be able to take ME and then monorail everywhere. 30 minute waits aren't my idea of a relaxing vacation.

[Chuck S]

Great point. I'm sure the monorail is Eco friendly. Monorail should be expanded to include all of the WDW resorts and DTD. No More busses.
It would be seen as a great eco move by Disney and be more efficient overall. Those busses clog up the roads and stink up the place.

For the record, I find the bus service so bad that I drive to the parks unless I have access to the monorail. I'd love to be able to take ME and then monorail everywhere. 30 minute waits aren't my idea of a relaxing vacation.

Unfortunately, monorail construction costs are prohibitive for resort to resort usage, given how spread out WDW is. However, a light rail or peoplemover-type system may be an option.

[fishermouse]

Great point. I'm sure the monorail is Eco friendly. Monorail should be expanded to include all of the WDW resorts and DTD. No More busses.
It would be seen as a great eco move by Disney and be more efficient overall. Those busses clog up the roads and stink up the place.

For the record, I find the bus service so bad that I drive to the parks unless I have access to the monorail. I'd love to be able to take ME and then monorail everywhere. 30 minute waits aren't my idea of a relaxing vacation.
And this makes the roads less clogged and smell better?:confused3
I would like to see electric busses like many historic areas use.

[dumbo71]

Unfortunately, monorail construction costs are prohibitive for resort to resort usage, given how spread out WDW is. However, a light rail or peoplemover-type system may be an option.



Yeah, the cost is probably the reason we haven't seen it yet. Sure would be nice.

People movers or any other system that stops the bus fumes would be great for all.

[dumbo71]

And this makes the roads less clogged and smell better?:confused3
I would like to see electric busses like many historic areas use.



Sure would. How many busses do we guess are currently running at WDW ALL day 365 days a year?

Take those out of service and replace them with a non polluting form of transportation and it would make a significant difference. Significant for pollution AND for traffic if monorail could be used.

I'd be for your electric bus idea, wouldn't help with traffic but would help pollution.

WDW really wastes energy as well. Frosts me everytime I stay at BCV and those lights are on ALL night at Epcot. :sad2:

[starbox]

The problem with the SSR buses may not at all be "illegal" riders or even non-Disney resort guests. Some time ago they eliminated direct service from the theme parks to DD. Therefore, the best way to go to DD from a theme park is to ride the SSR bus and then walk there.

We always rode the monorail to the Contemporary and caught a bus to DTD directly from there. :thumbsup2

Honestly though, I don't get the benefit of taking a bus to DTD if you are not staying in a resort because you're still going to have to take a bus back to the park to and then go to TTC or catch a tram to get your car. Plus, the busses run to DTD much later than they run to the parks - so if you were planning to do night activities at DTD, you could not stay out that late. The whole thing would be a huge pain.

Plus - DTD busses intentionally don't start running to and from the parks until 11 or something like that. So, if you want to avoid paying for parking you have to either not hope to arrive much earlier than noon or you can catch a bus to a resort at 9, then wait for another bus to the park from whatever resort. It's just not worth all that hassle and run-a-round to save a few bucks on parking.

[Deb & Bill]

...WDW really wastes energy as well. Frosts me everytime I stay at BCV and those lights are on ALL night at Epcot. :sad2:

When they are doing cleaning and maintenance at night, the workers do have to be able to see. And I think the big hand on Spaceship Earth has a beacon for airplanes so they don't hit the top of it.

[Chuck S]

We always rode the monorail to the Contemporary and caught a bus to DTD directly from there. :thumbsup2

Honestly though, I don't get the benefit of taking a bus to DTD if you are not staying in a resort because you're still going to have to take a bus back to the park to and then go to TTC or catch a tram to get your car. Plus, the busses run to DTD much later than they run to the parks - so if you were planning to do night activities at DTD, you could not stay out that late. The whole thing would be a huge pain.

Plus - DTD busses intentionally don't start running to and from the parks until 11 or something like that. So, if you want to avoid paying for parking you have to either not hope to arrive much earlier than noon or you can catch a bus to a resort at 9, then wait for another bus to the park from whatever resort. It's just not worth all that hassle and run-a-round to save a few bucks on parking.

Busses never run from DtD directly to parks, that was discontinued years ago because of the people parking there to avoid to parking fee. Now, it seems, they park at DtD, walk to SSR and take the busses from there :(

[Doctor P]

Busses never run from DtD directly to parks, that was discontinued years ago because of the people parking there to avoid to parking fee. Now, it seems, they park at DtD, walk to SSR and take the busses from there :(

There is probably some of that going on, no doubt, but don't presume that everybody that walks to and from SSR to go to and from DD is a non-resort guest trying to scam the system. We do it regularly to go from theme parks to DD or from DD to a theme park (especially AK and MGM). Saves a bus transfer.

[dumbo71]

There is probably some of that going on, no doubt, but don't presume that everybody that walks to and from SSR to go to and from DD is a non-resort guest trying to scam the system. We do it regularly to go from theme parks to DD or from DD to a theme park (especially AK and MGM). Saves a bus transfer.


So you would have no problem taking a seat from a SSR resort guest so you can "save a bus transfer"? Seems to me those busses should be for guests of SSR. Maybe because you and whoever is with you decided to "save a bus transfer" the bus is full and an actual resort guest has to wait for another bus.

Legal or not it seems wrong. Maybe paid parking is the way to go at WDW. Will keep people on the appropriate busses and keep SSR busses from being flooded with people trying to avoid parking fees at the parks.

[starbox]

Busses never run from DtD directly to parks, that was discontinued years ago because of the people parking there to avoid to parking fee. Now, it seems, they park at DtD, walk to SSR and take the busses from there :(

You're right - I mean to say that they'd still have to take a bus from DTD to a resort and then take another bus to the park and (then take more transportation to the TTC if they were at MK) and then get on a tram-thing to find their car!

[crisi]

So you would have no problem taking a seat from a SSR resort guest so you can "save a bus transfer"? Seems to me those busses should be for guests of SSR. Maybe because you and whoever is with you decided to "save a bus transfer" the bus is full and an actual resort guest has to wait for another bus.

Legal or not it seems wrong. Maybe paid parking is the way to go at WDW. Will keep people on the appropriate busses and keep SSR busses from being flooded with people trying to avoid parking fees at the parks.


But they AREN'T for guests of SSR. They are for anyone with a hopper or any resort guest. If Disney is having a problem with SSR bus capacity, they need to add more buses to the route, not kick off guests who are ENTITLED to use the buses.

(Though I think paid parking at DTD would be a great idea and probably solve lots of problems - if they want to do "free with $XX purchase at DTD shops and restaurants, that would be fine).

[Doctor P]

So you would have no problem taking a seat from a SSR resort guest so you can "save a bus transfer"? Seems to me those busses should be for guests of SSR. Maybe because you and whoever is with you decided to "save a bus transfer" the bus is full and an actual resort guest has to wait for another bus.

Legal or not it seems wrong. Maybe paid parking is the way to go at WDW. Will keep people on the appropriate busses and keep SSR busses from being flooded with people trying to avoid parking fees at the parks.

As Ronald Reagan would have said, "Well...there you go again, Dumbo". There is no such thing as a resort bus. It is a Walt Disney World transportation SYSTEM that every resort guest and every guest with a park hopper ticket is entitled to use fully. Your comment is like saying that I shouldn't use a city bus that goes to a particular neighborhood because I am taking the seat from someone who lives there. As DVC members, our dues contribute to the WDW transportation system. They don't buy us private transportation, private buses, or reserved seating. Seems to me that this is the kind of attitude that led to a little thing called the Montgomery bus boycott. ;)

[dumbo71]

As Ronald Reagan would have said, "Well...there you go again, Dumbo". There is no such thing as a resort bus. It is a Walt Disney World transportation SYSTEM that every resort guest and every guest with a park hopper ticket is entitled to use fully. Your comment is like saying that I shouldn't use a city bus that goes to a particular neighborhood because I am taking the seat from someone who lives there. As DVC members, our dues contribute to the WDW transportation system. They don't buy us private transportation, private buses, or reserved seating. Seems to me that this is the kind of attitude that led to a little thing called the Montgomery bus boycott. ;)



Well, when you've been had the only right thing to do is fess up.

You got me DoctorP, you are correct sir. I stand corrected. :worship:

The busses seem to be for everyone then if they do not check ID's or tickets anyway. This discussion is a waste of time. I'll bow out now.

[OneMoreTry]

As Ronald Reagan would have said, "Well...there you go again, Dumbo". There is no such thing as a resort bus. It is a Walt Disney World transportation SYSTEM that every resort guest and every guest with a park hopper ticket is entitled to use fully. Your comment is like saying that I shouldn't use a city bus that goes to a particular neighborhood because I am taking the seat from someone who lives there. As DVC members, our dues contribute to the WDW transportation system. They don't buy us private transportation, private buses, or reserved seating. Seems to me that this is the kind of attitude that led to a little thing called the Montgomery bus boycott. ;)

I don't think this is right. I pay for buses to OKW. They are WDW buses yes, but if I (we)weren't paying for them then they wouldn't be going to OKW. Likewise, if SSR owners weren't paying for the buses to SSR, they wouldn't be going there.

It's like contracting with WDW for the use of their buses. When it comes down to it, I believe the owners would have the right/option of cancelling the agreement for using WDW buses and establishing their own transportation to the parks. Then we would have the option of requiring the blue cards to use them.

Maybe we should just do that.

[LIFERBABE]

I don't think this is right. I pay for buses to OKW. They are WDW buses yes, but if I (we)weren't paying for them then they wouldn't be going to OKW. Likewise, if SSR owners weren't paying for the buses to SSR, they wouldn't be going there.

It's like contracting with WDW for the use of their buses. When it comes down to it, I believe the owners would have the right/option of cancelling the agreement for using WDW buses and establishing their own transportation to the parks. Then we would have the option of requiring the blue cards to use them.

Maybe we should just do that.

I disagree 100%. If you were not paying for busses, someone else would or your points would belong to the developer and they would pay for the busses. We pay to use the busses just like SOG pays for EMH privileges. It is a right to belong, not an exclusive deal. The transportation is still fully owned and operated by WDWTC dont get it twisted.

The only way what you are suggesting would happen is if we voted DVD out as our property manager completely. That would take away all the other amenities we share also, such as pretty much everything:rotfl2: I dont want to be a part of a resort that is not a part of WDW. That is what Marriott and all the others are for.

[OneMoreTry]

I disagree 100%. If you were not paying for busses, someone else would or your points would belong to the developer and they would pay for the busses. We pay to use the busses just like SOG pays for EMH privileges. It is a right to belong, not an exclusive deal. The transportation is still fully owned and operated by WDWTC dont get it twisted.

The only way what you are suggesting would happen is if we voted DVD out as our property manager completely. That would take away all the other amenities we share also, such as pretty much everything:rotfl2: I dont want to be a part of a resort that is not a part of WDW. That is what Marriott and all the others are for.


I think you missed my point. My point is that the money coming from OKW owners (whether me or developer or someone else) is to pay for the buses coming into and going out of OKW. The only reason those buses go in there and out again is because OKW owners pay for them. From the time they enter that gate until the time they leave they are contracted BY OKW or SSR)owners from WDW for THEIR use to get to the parks.

It's a contract with WDW. it could be cancelled and owners could contract with another company to do the job. With the specification that only OKW (or SSR ) members be allowed to use the buses.

I agree Disney has leverage to keep us contracting with them and forcing us to abide by their decisions, but we're still shelling out the money. I think it would be possible to cancel the buses and contract for access to other amenities. Not that I would want to. I just use the example to clarify that owners should have some say in use of the buses while they are on their property.

[Sk8Leigh]

I don't think this is right. I pay for buses to OKW. They are WDW buses yes, but if I (we)weren't paying for them then they wouldn't be going to OKW. Likewise, if SSR owners weren't paying for the buses to SSR, they wouldn't be going there.

It's like contracting with WDW for the use of their buses. When it comes down to it, I believe the owners would have the right/option of cancelling the agreement for using WDW buses and establishing their own transportation to the parks. Then we would have the option of requiring the blue cards to use them.

Maybe we should just do that.

Umm, I'm staying at SSR in May, and I'm not a DVC member. I just booked a reservation through Disney. And I need the buses. It has nothing to do with them being DVC. The buses just go to all the Disney resorts, period.

[LIFERBABE]

I just use the example to clarify that owners should have some say in use of the buses while they are on their property.

I didnt miss the point, I just don't agree with it. We have no say, it's in the POS. It is not our property, we have a deeded interest, not ownership. Again, dont get it twisted. It's all or nothing. Either they manage us or they dont. It's laid out in the POS and the development plan what happens if they don't. We own all of 1 millionth of 1 unit with all our points combined:lmao:

One of the reasons I love WDW is the continuity of being on Disney property. While you are on property, you are treated superbly and your movement is not restricted for the most part. Dont let a few bad apples cause a mutiny.

Thankfully what you suggest will never happen.