To Stop Us From Hijacking The Other Thread...

[Sparx]

Religion.

Discuss.

What do you believe?

Why?

Have you ever thought about changing your faith?

Have you ever changed your faith?

What is your opinion on other religions?

EDIT:

Would you marry someone of a different religion?

(I meant to add that, but hit submit too fast)

[WORLDwarQUIFFLE]

What do you believe?
Well, by birth I'm part of the Hindu religion..
But, and I feel horrible saying this.. I don't really believe it, at all.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith?
Yes. But, I never will.
I just think I'll end up not believing in anything.

What is your opinion on other religions?
I don't mean to offend anyone at all here..
But, I honestly don't believe in any of them.
Maybe it'd make more sense if you put all their ideas together..
Oh, and.. I'm completely fine with people being different
religions then I do.

I don't know. I believe there's some higher power up there,
But, I don't know what it is, and I think it's best that way.
If we were meant to know, we probably would.

[Captain Brain]

What is my religion?
Christian. Baptist to be exact.

Have I ever thought of changing my faith?
No.

What is my opinion of other religions?
People can believe what they want to believe.

[EeyoreFan1]

I am a Baptist. I plan on always being a Christian, but I have been raised as a Baptist, in a Baptist church so I will likely remain that.

I'm very open minded to what people think religion wise, I think any religion, or no religion at all is fine, but Christian is what I choose to believe.

[Captain Brain]

I am a Baptist. I plan on always being a Christian, but I have been raised as a Baptist, in a Baptist church so I will likely remain that.

I'm very open minded to what people think religion wise, I think any religion, or no religion at all is fine, but Christian is what I choose to believe.
From the first year of my life onward, I've been in a Southern Baptist church. We say "Amen!" after every other sentence and we eat a lot. :p

[Dragonlord11_7]

I don't believe in any religion. But I believe in a "higher being" so to speak. Like, I acknowledge the possibility of a god-like being. And technically, that stays in the boundaries of most religions, right? I respect all religions, regardless of how far-fetched they may sound to someone else. Everyone is entitled to their own separate and different opinions. You don't have to believe in theirs, but you should respect their choices and their thoughts.

ETA: Religion isn't a crucial thing for me deciding whether or not I want to marry someone. If you love that person, shouldn't you respect their religion?

[EeyoreFan1]

From the first year of my life onward, I've been in a Southern Baptist church. We say "Amen!" after every other sentence and we eat a lot. :p
Oh gosh, same here. I'm sad now. We don't go to cthe church we did, it got low on money and people came to our door begging. We gave what we could but didn't have a lot then. :( Now the church is HUGE, and they do lots of tacky stuff. We need to find a new Baptist church.

[NancyDrewGal9813]

What do you believe?
By Birth I'm a Catholic.

Why?
Like I said, by birth I was born and raised a catholic. I'm not sure why I believe, it's just that I do. I can't explain why, but I do.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith?
Nope!

Have you ever changed your faith?
um,,, nope!

What is your opinion on other religions?
I find other religions quite interesting. About a year ago, I was so involved in learning about other religions, and how they do weddings, etc, that I got to go around the world with my sisters (Their the best!) and experience different cultures. I got to experience weddings. One of the most exciting things is Halloween In Spain.

OT but: Just wanted to share a little about Halloween in Spain. Most schools get out a day early before Halloween because it's a VERY special holiday. Most families are buried in this giant tombs, instead of the gray scary ones you see here, they usually paint them different colors such as orange, or blue (other colors of course) They decorate the tombs on Halloween and make their relatives there favorite food as in honor of them. On Halloween Night, most people spend it with their tomb's (they actually sleep in the grave yard) because they believe that the dead come back to life that night, and they want to spend as much time as possible with them.

One wedding I went to, the Bride is carried in this like bedish thing, that are held by two people. Very interesting.

If you EVER get a chance make sure to try to experience weddings, or holidays in other countries VERY interesting.

[U Just Got PUNKD]

Ah. Thank you for making this thread.

I am Catholic.
To be honest I have no reason why. My Dad use to be Mormon when he was kid I don't know why I wasn't raised up as a Mormon. Latley I've been thinking about changing to religion to nothing because I honestly don't know, I just find that it doesn't make scence anymore..


I don't care too much about talking about religion because it think it's all BS. One time my friend told me that 'Christianity' was better than being 'Catholic" that made me really mad so that why whenever I talk about religion things go Blah Blah Blah out of my mouth. I've been thinking about changing my religion because I don't want to belive in anything.

[Captain Brain]

Oh gosh, same here. I'm sad now. We don't go to cthe church we did, it got low on money and people came to our door begging. We gave what we could but didn't have a lot then. Now the church is HUGE, and they do lots of tacky stuff. We need to find a new Baptist church.

We switched churches close to a year ago. The old one was becoming dead, and it was dieing, so we needed to find a new place. The new church is wonderful, I love the people and the sermons are great.

P.S. Leo, why you steal my KK Slider? ;)

[EeyoreFan1]

We switched churches close to a year ago. The old one was becoming dead, and it was dieing, so we needed to find a new place. The new church is wonderful, I love the people and the sermons are great.

P.S. Leo, why you steal my KK Slider? ;)

:rotfl:


Yes, ours too. We need a new one. :( I miss not going sometimes.

[Sports Blondie]

What is my religion?
Christian. Baptist to be exact.

Have I ever thought of changing my faith?
No.

What is my opinion of other religions?
People can believe what they want to believe.

I agree!!

What is my religion?
Christian.

Have i ever thought of chaning my faith?
Nope Never

what is my opinion of other religions?
totally agree w/ Captain!

[Sparx]

I really really REALLY get mad at people when they talk about religion. FURIOUS. One time at Social Studies we were talking about Judaism(sp?) and all people could talk about was Christianity(sp?) and it was bugging me because we were learning about the religion Jedaism(sp?) NOT Christianity(sp?). I think other people should respect other peoples beliefs.


if you think everyone should respect everyone else's beliefs, why do you get angry when people speak about a particular religion?

[EeyoreFan1]

if you think everyone should respect everyone else's beliefs, why do you get angry when people speak about a particular religion?

I agree.

[Dragonlord11_7]

We switched churches close to a year ago. The old one was becoming dead, and it was dieing, so we needed to find a new place. The new church is wonderful, I love the people and the sermons are great.

P.S. Leo, why you steal my KK Slider? ;)

Sorry for hi-jacking, but I borrowed it from pokemon_master, who had borrowed from you. You removed it, then he did, then I did. I revived it, then you. We're still waiting for pokemon_master. Remember I "borrowed" it... ;)

[EeyoreFan1]

Sorry for hi-jacking, but I borrowed it from pokemon_master, who had borrowed from you. You removed it, then he did, then I did. I revived it, then you. We're still waiting for pokemon_master. Remember I "borrowed" it... ;)

:rolleyes:

[PatriotsRule]

What do I believe? I am a Catholic. Always was, always will be. I've had experiences in my life that strengthened my faith.

What is my opinion on other religions? I respect people of other religions, and I'm always willing to learn about them. I realize that we all have free will and can choose our belief, that's what God intended. Because of this, I have absolutely no right to shove my religion down someone else's throat, and I never will. As a Catholic, I believe in God. As a human, I do not believe in ignorance of any kind.

[Captain Brain]

What do I believe? I am a Catholic. Always was, always will be. I've had experiences in my life that strengthened my faith.

What is my opinion on other religions? I respect people of other religions, and I'm always willing to learn about them. I realize that we all have free will and can choose our belief, that's what God intended. Because of this, I have absolutely no right to shove my religion down someone else's throat, and I never will. As a Catholic, I believe in God. As a human, I do not believe in ignorance of any kind.
I agree one-hundred percent.

[PeterPan#1Fan]

What do you believe? I am a Christian, Baptist (Here is a joke... How many Baptist does it take to screw in a light bulb? 8-one to screw in the light bulb, three to bring the fried chicken, three to bring the sweet tea, and one old lady to tell everyone what to do)

Why? My father is a minister and it was what I was raised to believe in

Have you ever thought about changing your faith? No

Have you ever changed your faith? No

What is your opinion on other religions? I love learning about religions. I am very open minded when it comes to religion. Most religions come back to the same thing more or less. If what you believe in brings you comfort and doesn't hurt anyone, well then by all means don't let me get in your way.

EDIT:

Would you marry someone of a different religion? No it is one of my criteria when looking for a boyfriend.

[Captain Brain]

What do you believe? I am a Christian, Baptist (Here is a joke... How many Baptist does it take to screw in a light bulb? 8-one to screw in the light bulb, three to bring the fried chicken, three to bring the sweet tea, and one old lady to tell everyone what to do)

:rotfl2:

Sad thing is, that's just like my church. Old Miss Ruth is the head honcho of the "gatherings."

_______________________________________

Would I marry someone of a different religion?
I don't know, I guess it depends if she is open to my religion.

[EeyoreFan1]

:rotfl2:

Sad thing is, that's just like my church. Old Miss Ruth is the head honcho of the "gatherings."

_______________________________________

Would I marry someone of a different religion?
I don't know, I guess it depends if she is open to my religion.



Good question, it depends. I'm open to it, but (Gah, now I'm sounding like a hypocrit) How about this, if I loved them enough, yes.

[DollfieDreams]

i was raised southern baptist christian. i HATE the attitude of the people at the church my family goes to. they are hypocritical and just rude people. not saying that all christians are like that, but because of that church it has seriously turned me off from the religion.

i believe there is SOMETHING. maybe all it is up there watching us is a little kid with an ant farm.

i just hate having religions shoved down my throat. i also find it funny that certain religions will say "OURS is the RIGHT one!" when if you look at the majority of the worlds religions, its basically the same thing with different names and places. same story.

[PeterPan#1Fan]

Close minded Southern Baptist can get really annoying and just plain mean. I don't mean to offend any Southern Baptist (I am one). It is the close minded ones that I don't enjoy being around.

[Captain Brain]

Close minded Southern Baptist can get really annoying and just plain mean. I don't mean to offend any Southern Baptist (I am one). It is the close minded ones that I don't enjoy being around.
::yes:: I swear that some of the people take it too far...

[EeyoreFan1]

Close minded Southern Baptist can get really annoying and just plain mean. I don't mean to offend any Southern Baptist (I am one). It is the close minded ones that I don't enjoy being around.

I agree completely. Coming from a Southern Baptist.

[DollfieDreams]

close minded doesnt even begin it.

i was told i was going to go to hell if i listened to the backstreet boys. this was 5th grade. how nice.

[PeterPan#1Fan]

close minded doesnt even begin it.

i was told i was going to go to hell if i listened to the backstreet boys. this was 5th grade. how nice.

:rotfl: Do you have snakes at your church?

[Captain Brain]

close minded doesnt even begin it.

i was told i was going to go to hell if i listened to the backstreet boys. this was 5th grade. how nice.
Ouch. People at my church think that if you read Harry Potter you go to Hell.

[NancyDrewGal9813]

Would You marry someone of a different religion?
I'd marry anyone from a different religion, under two conditions

1) Respect my religion and I'll respect yours
2) No, I will not marry ANYONE who trys to convert me over to sientology (kind of scary) Guess which couple I'm thinking of at this moment :rolleyes:


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OMG sorry this is off topic, but has ANYONE seen that Taladaga Nights Movie?

Some of my friends always repeat what the dude said when he was on fire "I'm on fire! I'm on fire! Tom Cruise do your witchcraft!

[DollfieDreams]

Ouch. People at my church think that if you read Harry Potter you go to Hell.

how sad.

[PatriotsRule]

how sad.

::yes::

I love Harry Potter!

[Captain Brain]

::yes::

I love Harry Potter!

So do I! :goodvibes

[Starstruckdancer]

I'm a christian. Methodist


I always wanted to be jewish for some reason. Probably because I just wanted to celebrate Chanakua (sp).



People can have their own belifs, and can be whatever religion they want to be!

[SplshMtnLvr28]

I'm Catholic. I haven't been to church in like 92948849 years, though. I believe that people go to heaven/hell when they die-ish. I mean, I guess I'd like to believe that, but I just don't find it logical.

I also would like to think God is real, but it's hard for me to fathom that he is. I do find myself praying to him now and then, though. XD

[Babyjustrun]

I dislike religion. All of it. It's just the source of bad & arguments & pain for years. Everyone puts way to much emphasis on religion that it clashes with today's society.
I am a prostestant, I do not believe in it, I was just born into it. I never go to church, my mother is the only one in my family who does.
I don't see the point in changing my religion, I don't see anything I believe in.

Yes, I would marry someone of a different religion. But I think a major factor for me is that they aren't hardcore obsessed with any religion at all.

[U Just Got PUNKD]

if you think everyone should respect everyone else's beliefs, why do you get angry when people speak about a particular religion?
Erm. Yeah, I don't think that came out right...
I'll fix it.

[AngienLuLu]

What do you believe? I am a Christian. I am Baptist. I believe that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and who ever believes in him shall not die but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

Why? My whole family is Christian/Baptist.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith? No, never. And I never will.

Have you ever changed your faith? No...

What is your opinion on other religions? People are free to practice whichever religion they wish, but only those who admit to God they are a sinner, believe that Jesus is God's one and only son, and confess their faith in Jesus and trust him as their Savior and Lord will go on to live forever in Heaven.

Would you marry someone of a different religion? No. I will only marry a person who believes in Jesus Christ. I will only date Christian men, with Jake being an example. I feel that two people can't truely unconditionally love each other if they don't believe in the same God.

[TheBellhop]

Yup yup. I guess I'm not going to heaven. =-/

[HSMndLKfan92]

What do you believe?
I'm Catholic. I believe in God and Jesus.

Why?
Because a vast majority of my religion does as well.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith?
Last year. I was so fed up with Confirmation preparation. But now I'm fine with being Catholic.

Have you ever changed your faith?
No.

What is your opinion on other religions?
I think other religions are interesting. Not in a creepy way. I mean its a nice change to see how other people believe.

Would you marry someone of a different religion?
Yes, if I loved that person.

[SplshMtnLvr28]

Yes, I would marry someone of a different religion. But I think a major factor for me is that they aren't hardcore obsessed with any religion at all.

I agree...

People that are like, extremely hardcore about their religion get on my nerves. I mean, it's wonderful that you love your religion, but you don't need to be fully decked out in 'WWJD' garb to go to school or the grocery store. No offense.

[Captain Brain]

I agree...

People that are like, extremely hardcore about their religion get on my nerves. I mean, it's wonderful that you love your religion, but you don't need to be fully decked out in 'WWJD' garb to go to school or the grocery store. No offense.
Nobody does that, unless they are that obsessed "Oh Em Gee, you are going to hell because you read Harry Potter adn DaVinci Code!"

[Dragonlord11_7]

Nobody does that, unless they are that obsessed "Oh Em Gee, you are going to hell because you read Harry Potter adn DaVinci Code!"

I'm thankful that nobody at my school isn't psycho like that. They would only exclaim I read Da Vinci Code in the time it took them to read a small chapter book. -_-

[lovemygirl]

What do you believe? I am a Christian. I am Baptist. I believe that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and who ever believes in him shall not die but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

Why? My whole family is Christian/Baptist.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith? No, never. And I never will.

Have you ever changed your faith? No...

What is your opinion on other religions? People are free to practice whichever religion they wish, but only those who admit to God they are a sinner, believe that Jesus is God's one and only son, and confess their faith in Jesus and trust him as their Savior and Lord will go on to live forever in Heaven.

Would you marry someone of a different religion? No. I will only marry a person who believes in Jesus Christ. I will only date Christian men, with Jake being an example. I feel that two people can't truely unconditionally love each other if they don't believe in the same God.

Thanks baby. ::yes:: I agree with everything Angela has said. Exept I will only date Christian girls. :)

[DramaGirl]

I'm Methodist (which is Christian, protestant)

I agree with most of it. They say only if you believe in and trust god you will go to heaven. I believe that anyone can go to heaven.
Have you ever thought about changing your faith?
no
Have you ever changed your faith
no
What is your opinion on other religions?
i think its great that people can have different religions and still get along- I had a Jewish best friend in 1st grade (then I moved)
Would you marry someone of a different religion?
definitely

[Sparx]

What do you believe?
I have a deep respect for everyone and everything. I don't believe in a higher being. I don't believe that we are just waiting for eternal salvation. I believe we have eternal salvation right now, and what we do with it is our choice. You've got the world at your fingertips, now what will you do with it? I believe life is what you make it. I don't believe in god.

Why?
I didn't like the idea. I don't like thinking that someone KNOWS what will happen to me. And the ideas always confused me anyway. They never made sense. He knows everything that will ever happen, but we have free will? How does that work? (this is rhetorical.) I've never felt the need to have faith in an everlasting life to keep me going right now.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith?
I was raised by a Christian family that never went to church. My family hates the idea of the church. I realized I was "supposed" to believe in the god they believed in, but I didn't. I don't like the idea of believing in something just because you were raised to believe it. "Never believe anything anyone says, even if I say it, unless you've thought about it and it clicks with your own beliefs and your own common sense"-Sid Hadartha.

Have you ever changed your faith?
I went from "Christian" to Agnostic while I was questioning to Atheistic, now.

What is your opinion on other religions?
I find them interesting. I'm fascinated by religion. How can you not be? To see something so moving that people dedicate their whole lives to it. To believe in something so much that it consumes yourself. It doesn't matter if its real or not, to see something work that power over people, its fascinating.

I've been discriminated against because I don't go to church. I'll never do that to someone. I don't care what you believe. I don't. But give me the same respect I'm giving you.

Would you marry someone of a different religion?
of course. Love knows no bounds with me. My boyfriend is Christian. He believes in god, but not the church. Thats fine with me. And if he did believe in the church, I respect him enough as a person that I would go to his church with him. I don't see that as me being hypocritical. I wouldn't believe what they were saying. I'd be there for him, out of my respect to him.

[PeterPan#1Fan]

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I've been discriminated against because I don't go to church. I'll never do that to someone. I don't care what you believe. I don't. But give me the same respect I'm giving you.
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As long as you live in a small town in the South this will probably be the case. It is so sad.

[Sparx]

As long as you live in a small town in the South this will probably be the case. It is so sad.

Its not just the south. Ignorance isn't a regional thing.

[Captain Brain]

As long as you live in a small town in the South this will probably be the case. It is so sad.
Reminds me of school...

I'll explain...I go to a small school with only 300 people (not counting teachers). If someone finds out another person's business, the person will then tell the local big mouth, and in three hours the entire school will know.

Let me tell you about the time there was an aetheist. This was back in Junior High, one day a new kid came from St.Louis. (On a kid's first day we all try to find out his entire life story.) My friend got to talking to him and he said that he was an aethiest. On noez! We couldn't have that in our perfect school! Somehow the big mouth found out and of course in three hours the entire school knew. Everybody was pestering him and trying to force him into Christianity. That is NOT how it should be done.

So, that goes to show why small towns are prime targets for ruining one's life on their first day.

[PatriotsRule]

Nobody does that, unless they are that obsessed "Oh Em Gee, you are going to hell because you read Harry Potter adn DaVinci Code!"

Here's something funny for you:

I go to a Catholic school, all the faculty is Catholic (I believe, don't hit me if I'm wrong!). Almost ALL of them have read the Da Vinci Code and most of those who read it LOVED it. I just found that hysterically funny :lmao:

[Sparx]

Reminds me of school...

I'll explain...I go to a small school with only 300 people (not counting teachers). If someone finds out another person's business, the person will then tell the local big mouth, and in three hours the entire school will know.

Let me tell you about the time there was an aetheist. This was back in Junior High, one day a new kid came from St.Louis. (On a kid's first day we all try to find out his entire life story.) My friend got to talking to him and he said that he was an aethiest. On noez! We couldn't have that in our perfect school! Somehow the big mouth found out and of course in three hours the entire school knew. Everybody was pestering him and trying to force him into Christianity. That is NOT how it should be done.

So, that goes to show why small towns are prime targets for ruining one's life on their first day.

I would NEVER attack someone's religion, but I've had people do that to me before. I usually bring up some of the more...far fetched aspects of Christianity, such as a virgin birth, the ark, the flood, and all that stuff. I usually end up making them question their religion more than they're questioning mine.

[Captain Brain]

I would NEVER attack someone's religion, but I've had people do that to me before. I usually bring up some of the more...far fetched aspects of Christianity, such as a virgin birth, the ark, the flood, and all that stuff. I usually end up making them question their religion more than they're questioning mine.
I understand that some of the things in the bible are pretty far-fetched. I'm not going to argue about it, though, I'm just going to believe that God did it, and there we have it. :teeth:

[Babyjustrun]

My friend believes that the bible was written by some guy who decided it would be fun to get people to worship and imaginary god.
That's not what I believe, I know that it was written by like prophets or something like that.
I just don't see it though. I just don't see how it works in with the scientific facts. Scientists have done tons of research. The Bible, is just words on paper.

[GirlWithSpunk]

My religion?

I study with the Jehovah's Witness. I bolded study because I'm not baptized by them, therefore I'm not really one of them.

I don't think I will ever change my religion because I enjoy studying with them and I want to be baptized, but I dont think that will be for a couple of years because it's hard letting go to the things your used to doing. Example: birthdays, christmas, new years, etc.

I think you should respect other peoples religions because thats what they think and how they've been raised up. I mean religion is practically your way of living and thinking.

[Sparx]

I understand that some of the things in the bible are pretty far-fetched. I'm not going to argue about it, though, I'm just going to believe that God did it, and there we have it. :teeth:

I admire your dedication to your faith.

[PatriotsRule]

I understand that some of the things in the bible are pretty far-fetched. I'm not going to argue about it, though, I'm just going to believe that God did it, and there we have it. :teeth:

::yes::

Some things are just a matter of faith.

[GirlWithSpunk]

I believe everything in the bible is true and is going to happen.

So I admire Brain's faith too. :goodvibes

[Captain Brain]

Want to read something far-fetched? Read the book of Revelation. That book, is like a movie, it's got dragons, sea monsters and doom. Makes me wonder what God had in store when John wrote it...

[PatriotsRule]

Want to read something far-fetched? Read the book of Revelation. That book, is like a movie, it's got dragons, sea monsters and doom. Makes me wonder what God had in store when John wrote it...

Very true. I think some of it might be metaphoric, but either way it sounds kinda scary.

[GirlWithSpunk]

Want to read something far-fetched? Read the book of Revelation. That book, is like a movie, it's got dragons, sea monsters and doom. Makes me wonder what God had in store when John wrote it...

I think Revelation-- or Revelacion [spanish]-- is really good. I tell the sister that comes over the house to study with me and she says it is very interesting but they are other stories too that are powerful.

And its not what God had in store, its what he has store for us. [if you dont believe in this, then no offense] ;)

[Captain Brain]

Very true. I think some of it might be metaphoric, but either way it sounds kinda scary.
I like to read it, if it was a movie it would a special effects extravanganza.

[GirlWithSpunk]

Very true. I think some of it might be metaphoric, but either way it sounds kinda scary.

Practically all of the Bible is metaphoric, thats why people have been deciphering it for ages and ages and trying to figure out what some phrases/texts mean.

[Captain Brain]

I think Revelation-- or Revelacion [spanish]-- is really good. I tell the sister that comes over the house to study with me and she says it is very interesting but they are other stories too that are powerful.

And its not what God had in store, its what he has store for us. [if you dont believe in this, then no offense] ;)

I believe that it's what will happen, it's just scary to think about. I hope that I'm dead before it happens. ;)

[Sparx]

I'd love to get my hands on a copy of the bible, pre king james translation. Supposedly there are a lot of discrepancies that King James messed up translating. (red sea v. reed sea) I think it would be interesting to see the change from pre-translation to translation.

[Hollister]

Well my grandma forced the Christian religion upon my mom and her sisters so much that it kind of made them not want to be that religion so most of my family is spiritual except my grandparents.

[Lil_Tink]

What do you believe? God and Reincarnation

Why? Brought up that way and just think it makes sense

Have you ever thought about changing your faith? Did, but then changed my mind

Have you ever changed your faith? Somewhat, my beliefs arent the same as my exact fait.

What is your opinion on other religions? I think their all connected



Would you marry someone of a different religion? Yes

[PeterPan#1Fan]

A lot of the bible is like a war novel. If you can get past Deuteronomy which is a real bore the bible becomes like a novel of the Jew's life. It is really interesting if you can understand what they are saying. Sometimes it can get really graphic when talking about battles.

[Babyjustrun]

Actually, you know what I'd like?
For someone to explain the difference between Jewish people & Christian people. I mean, they both believe in God.. dno't they? I heard somewhere that Jewish people do not believe in Jesus.
But I don't know. Anybody care to explain?

[Sparx]

Actually, you know what I'd like?
For someone to explain the difference between Jewish people & Christian people. I mean, they both believe in God.. dno't they? I heard somewhere that Jewish people do not believe in Jesus.
But I don't know. Anybody care to explain?

The Jewish do not believe Jesus was/is their savior.

The jewish believed that they were supreme in god's eyes. They were special compared to other religions. Jesus taught everyone was equal in the eyes of god, the jewish didn't believe that.

The jewish executed Jesus.

[PeterPan#1Fan]

Jews do not believe that Jesus was God's son or that he saved us from our sins. So all Christians have to do is believe that Jesus died for us and we are saved but I don't know what Jews have to do. Jesus was Jewish. What is really confusing is the difference between prodestent (sp) denominations (most of it is how they make decisions within the church and when you get baptized)

[TeXaShOtTiE09]

im lutheran, and i've never thought of changing my faith, what do i think about other religions i think people can believe in whatever they want to.

[Babyjustrun]

Jews do not believe that Jesus was God's son or that he saved us from our sins. So all Christians have to do is believe that Jesus died for us and we are saved but I don't know what Jews have to do. Jesus was Jewish. What is really confusing is the difference between prodestent (sp) denominations (most of it is how they make decisions within the church and when you get baptized)

Ah.
I should be Jewish then.
I kind of believe that.
I'm Protestant, though I really don't know the difference between that and the other forms of Christianity.

[PeterPan#1Fan]

Ah.
I should be Jewish then.
I kind of believe that.
I'm Protestant, though I really don't know the difference between that and the other forms of Christianity.

Are you
Anabaptist
Anglican / Episcopal
Baptist
Evangelicalism
Lutheran
Methodist / Wesleyan and the Holiness movement
Pentecostal and Charismatic
Quakerism
Reformed/Congregational /Presbyterian
Restoration movement
Seventh-Day Adventists
Non-denominational?
The difference between those is a fine line.

[Captain Brain]

The Jewish do not believe Jesus was/is their savior.

The jewish believed that they were supreme in god's eyes. They were special compared to other religions. Jesus taught everyone was equal in the eyes of god, the jewish didn't believe that.

The jewish executed Jesus.

Thank you, Shelby.

I'll elaborate: Up until the birth of Jesus, the Jews were God's chosen people. When Jesus started preaching that everyone was able to be forgiven and that they were all equal in God's eyes, the Jews were not happy. They forced King Herod to free Barabus (a criminal) and have Jesus be on the cross instead. To this day the Jews do not acknowledge Jesus as the son of God.

[PeterPan#1Fan]

To this day the Jews do not acknowledge Jesus as the son of God.

They think he was a minister on a power trip. (According to my Jewish friend)

[Captain Brain]

Ah.
I should be Jewish then.
I kind of believe that.
I'm Protestant, though I really don't know the difference between that and the other forms of Christianity.

Protestant is things like Baptist, Methodist, and Pentecostal.

There are differences in them. Pentecosts, for example, speak in "tongues" that they call messages from God.

[Captain Brain]

They think he was a minister on a power trip. (According to my Jewish friend)

Ok, thanks.

[Babyjustrun]

Thanks for explaining this to me.
My mother refused to me, because she figured she'd have to whip out her bible and give me an hour long speech.
Anyways, I don't really believe in Jesus.. so.. meh.

[GirlWithSpunk]

Thanks for explaining this to me.
My mother refused to me, because she figured she'd have to whip out her bible and give me an hour long speech.
Anyways, I don't really believe in Jesus.. so.. meh.

You dont believe in Jesus?

Why? If I can ask without making you get offensive or anything.

[Babyjustrun]

You dont believe in Jesus?

Why? If I can ask without making you get offensive or anything.

I'm not sure, really I'm not.
When I was little, we used to go to church everyday. Now, I remember very little of it, because I was like three. Now, all I could focus on was God is good, God is great. And all of a sudden, they started saying Jesus is the best, bla de blah. And I was like 'WHAT THE HECK?!' I just got confused.
I never really, well believed in it. I do not believe he was my saviour. I do not believe he died for me.

[Sparx]

Thank you, Shelby.

I'll elaborate: Up until the birth of Jesus, the Jews were God's chosen people. When Jesus started preaching that everyone was able to be forgiven and that they were all equal in God's eyes, the Jews were not happy. They forced King Herod to free Barabus (a criminal) and have Jesus be on the cross instead. To this day the Jews do not acknowledge Jesus as the son of God.

The jewish have an interesting history.

[Captain Brain]

The jewish have an interesting history.

I didn't even get to the stepping on glasses at weddings and wearing beanies! :rotfl2:

[Sparx]

I didn't even get to the stepping on glasses at weddings and wearing beanies! :rotfl2:

those beanies are cool. haha

[Babyjustrun]

Continue on Billy. I'm interested.

[Captain Brain]

The last part was a joke, while Jews do that, I don't know why.

More Jewish history, hmm...We could skip the Hitler era...

When WW2 started, a man called Adolf Hitler didn't like Jews. They were the main people who were put into the concentration camps at first, but it later spread to all christians, gypsies, and Poles. That's all the Jewish history I know...

[Babyjustrun]

Ahh.
I know all about WW2.

Then were the was the whole Hannukkah thing. It's like they had a candle that stayed lit for 8 days. I don't know the story that well, I was only told it twice.

[Captain Brain]

Ahh.
I know all about WW2.

Then were the was the whole Hannukkah thing. It's like they had a candle that stayed lit for 8 days. I don't know the story that well, I was only told it twice.
Oh! I know that one!

The story of Hannukah:
(abridged edition)

The Jews were on there way somewhere, I forget where right now, and they only had enough oil to last one day. Instead of one day, however, it lasted eight. Now when they celebrate Hannukah, they light one candle each night for eight days in ceremony. And then they eat Potato Pancakes.

[Babyjustrun]

Latkes.
Jewish food is good though.
Blintzes look ah-mazing.

[polysisterchick]

What do you believe?
I believe that Jesus Christ is God's son who humbled himself and became a human to save us all. God was and is the creator of this world.

Yea, Christianity. More specific,
Methodist/Baptist.
(Methodist from my youth but we left the methodist church to go to a non-denominational church and i go to a Baptist church every wed. for youth.)


Why?
It has historical evidence to support it.
I believe it's true.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith?
nope

Have you ever changed your faith?
nope

What is your opinion on other religions?
... They believe what they believe. I'm sorry they believe that, but i can't force them to believe what i believe

Would you marry someone of a different religion?
To be honest?
probably not.
If my spouse didn't believe in anything, maybe.

[GirlWithSpunk]

Latkes.
Jewish food is good though.
Blintzes look ah-mazing.

I think I've tasted latkes...:confused3

[Babyjustrun]

I think I've tasted latkes...:confused3

latkes are potato pancakes.
they taste like hashbrown but they taste better and are made differently.

[GirlWithSpunk]

Yeah, I dont know, maybe, maybe not.

Well, I believe in Jesus because he is going to be the govener of our new world. I dont know how to say it in English. In Spanish its en el paraiso. Think its paradise...but Idk.

I mean, Satanas, or Satan [sp?], other words devil, is the governer of this world right now.

[Babyjustrun]

I don't believe in Satan.

[GirlWithSpunk]

Wow.

You don't believe in alot of things...[no offense]

Then who do you think said all those things to Eve? If you believe in Adam and Eve.

[Again no offense...;) ]

[Babyjustrun]

I'm not sure, I've never been sure of my religion. I've never wholy believed any part of any religion. Yes, I believe there is bad in the world, but I do not believe he is satan, the devil perse.

[Sparx]

Wow.

You don't believe in alot of things...[no offense]

Then who do you think said all those things to Eve? If you believe in Adam and Eve.

[Again no offense...;) ]

I never understood Adam and Eve.

Its just not physically possible that we all come from two people. we would be so inbred you couldn't tell us apart. You need 250 unrelated families, and they could interbreed from now until forever, and inbreeding would NEVER occur. 2 people can't do that. It just doesn't make sense.:confused3

[Captain Brain]

I never understood Adam and Eve.

Its just not physically possible that we all come from two people. we would be so inbred you couldn't tell us apart. You need 250 unrelated families, and they could interbreed from now until forever, and inbreeding would NEVER occur. 2 people can't do that. It just doesn't make sense.:confused3
It's magic and God's grace. :p

[GirlWithSpunk]

It's magic and God's grace. :p

::yes:: Exactly what I think.

[Sparx]

It's magic and God's grace. :p

Okay, now explain modern day inbreeding. Its the same thing, yet today the kid will end up with six toes or something. :confused3

This really never made sense to me.

[Babyjustrun]

I never understood Adam and Eve.

Its just not physically possible that we all come from two people. we would be so inbred you couldn't tell us apart. You need 250 unrelated families, and they could interbreed from now until forever, and inbreeding would NEVER occur. 2 people can't do that. It just doesn't make sense.:confused3


I dunno.
More than like half of Genesis is lists of peoples ancestors.

[Captain Brain]

Okay, now explain modern day inbreeding. Its the same thing, yet today the kid will end up with six toes or something. :confused3

This really never made sense to me.
It's all because Eve ate the apple.

I'm sorry Shelby, I can't always have the answers, why don't you ask someone of higher understanding?

[Captain Brain]

I dunno.
More than like half of Genesis is lists of peoples ancestors.

Like Noah was the son of Seth (Adam & Eve's third child).

[Sparx]

It's all because Eve ate the apple.

I'm sorry Shelby, I can't always have the answers, why don't you ask someone of higher understanding?

I was asking your opinion. I know you don't have all the answers. No one does, in my opinion.

[GirlWithSpunk]

Okay, now explain modern day inbreeding. Its the same thing, yet today the kid will end up with six toes or something. :confused3

This really never made sense to me.

God wanted it to be that way and thats how it was.

Getting tired of saying God...I mean his name is Jehovah. ;)

[Captain Brain]

I was asking your opinion. I know you don't have all the answers. No one does, in my opinion.

Ok, then I'll answer upon opinion.

Adam and Eve didn't look like we did, because they continued to inbreed, the final result was us. Perhaps Adam and Eve were the most beautiful beings, but because Eve ate the apple she was cursed to have children that didn't look like her.

:confused3

[Captain Brain]

God wanted it to be that way and thats how it was.

Getting tired of saying God...I mean his name is Jehovah. ;)

According to Jonah, it is Yahway. Meaning I am, I was, and I always will be.

[GirlWithSpunk]

Yes, and it was deciphered more and the word Jehovah was spelt out.

[Babyjustrun]

o.o
is lost now.

[Sparx]

Ok, then I'll answer upon opinion.

Adam and Eve didn't look like we did, because they continued to inbreed, the final result was us. Perhaps Adam and Eve were the most beautiful beings, but because Eve ate the apple she was cursed to have children that didn't look like her.

:confused3

Thats very interesting. :)

[Captain Brain]

Thats very interesting. :)
That's based upon my opinion, so it means nothing most likely.

[PeterPan#1Fan]

Adam and Eve is story. No one was there. We don't know what exactly happened. The bible stories in the Old Testament were to teach lessons. It wasn't until the New Testament when the people who wrote the bible (the apostles) were present. The bible isn't a newspaper. Most of the stories shouldn't be taken extremly literally. That is what I believe.

[Babyjustrun]

To teach lessons.
Exactly.
So it doesn't make sense on behalf of that xD

[PeterPan#1Fan]

To teach lessons.
Exactly.
So it doesn't make sense on behalf of that xD

Huh? I don't understand what you are saying.

[Babyjustrun]

Nevermind. It's only for me to understand.

[Mara]

Alrighty... I generally try to avoid discussions on religion, as it almost always dissolves into flame wars. But you guys seem to be discussing things pretty maturely, so I'll give it a whirl...

What do you believe?
That God is the Creator of.. well, life, the universe, and everything. =) That God is the Trinity - Father God, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That every human is inherently born with the nature of/to sin. That the Earth is young. That Jesus was born a man, lived a sinless life, and literally died with the sins of the world (past, present, and future). That Jesus, having been dead and in Hell for three days, rose to life again, and ascended into Heaven (after appearing again as flesh several times). That Satan is real, bitter, and trying to keep as many people from God as possible (his time is limited). That our days are truely limited. That Jesus will return (rapture). That the world will end in fire. That God's children will live on the new Earth (or rather, the renewed Earth) for a thousand years - in that time, Jesus will reign from the New Jerusalem, and we will be fulfilled (like as in, anything left unfinished when the end comes will be finished. In my case, that may entail working with horses; for a woman who longed during her lifetime for love, she would likely find it there)... That angels and demons are real...

Why?
It's hard to explain. I know that is all truth for several different reasons - the testimonies of friends and family, historical fact matching up with biblical fact, testimonies of notable persons, and of my own conviction.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith?
No. Unless you mean in the context of improving one's faith and assurance. In that, I would say yes.

Have you ever changed your faith?
No.

What is your opinion on other religions?
They are intriguing... Very fake looking to me, and (I mean no offense), frightening in that I can see Satan's hand plainly in many of them.

Would you marry someone of a different religion?
Well, I am not supposed to. Not allowed to be "unequally yoked". That rule/command does make sense... Nonetheless, I do not, honestly, deep inside, feel it is inherently wrong it marry someone of a different religion.
Then again, I am just not interested in marriage at all. So my feelings on that subject are rather vague.

[Dragonlord11_7]

It's all because Eve ate the apple.

I'm sorry Shelby, I can't always have the answers, why don't you ask someone of higher understanding?

Sorry but I think it's pretty bad to punish all of humanity for eating the "off-limit/all-powerful" apple. And why would God/Yahweh/Jehovah punish Eve and Adam and the Serpent if the Serpent had tempted her into it? I mean, I'm pretty sure they didn't know better to be tempted.

What is your opinion on other religions?
They are intriguing... Very fake looking to me, and (I mean no offense), frightening in that I can see Satan's hand plainly in many of them.


That stuck out. Alot. Even more than your bolded parts. What about these supposedly Satanial religions? What are these religions and how do you know that they deal with the Devil? Or have his influence? I understand your beliefs but would you go as far as to say "Wow, that religion has Satan's hand plainly in sight."

Sorry if either those sounded mean...

ETA: I'd like to know why Revelation was put in the Gospel Canon. Isn't some of its contents slightly sacriligeous? Or at least conflicting?

Why would Satan/Lucifer turn against God? Did he become corrupt with power? Or did Lucifer ever exist? Did God create the Devil to test the lives of "his people"? Their integrity and faith? Or, if Lucifer did turn against God, did he know about this? Does God know what will truly happen? Because if he did, I see no point in testing the faith of his people. You simply gaze into the future and you know what to expect. I know I'm kinda questioning questions but hardly any parts of the Christian religion(or any religion for that fact) make sense to me. I understand some philosophies they have, such as Heaven and Hell, or Nirvana, Valhalla (well... Celtic myths are cool), etc, but some stuff like the Trinity make absolutely no sense...

[EeyoreFan1]

That's based upon my opinion, so it means nothing most likely.

This thread is all about opinions. No one's opinion should be pushed away or ignored. Everyone's opinion should count. Your opinion may be different then someone else's, but so be it. I have my opinion, and so does everyone else. I respect yours, and everyone else should to.


(I said opinion way too many times in this post BTW)

[Captain Brain]

Sorry but I think it's pretty bad to punish all of humanity for eating the "off-limit/all-powerful" apple. And why would God/Yahweh/Jehovah punish Eve and Adam and the Serpent if the Serpent had tempted her into it? I mean, I'm pretty sure they didn't know better to be tempted.

Goes to show that when God says no, he means no. :p

[Captain Brain]

This thread is all about opinions. No one's opinion should be pushed away or ignored. Everyone's opinion should count. Your opinion may be different then someone else's, but so be it. I have my opinion, and so does everyone else. I respect yours, and everyone else should to.


(I said opinion way too many times in this post BTW)

You only said it five times. :p

[EeyoreFan1]

You only said it five times. :p

That's still too many for me. :rotfl:

[Mara]

That stuck out. Alot. Even more than your bolded parts. What about these supposedly Satanial religions? What are these religions and how do you know that they deal with the Devil? Or have his influence? I understand your beliefs but would you go as far as to say "Wow, that religion has Satan's hand plainly in sight."


I didn't mean that literally - I don't see the literal hand of Satan.. doing things in the actions/peoples of other religions. I mean... eh, it's hard to explain...
The Bible outlines ways to distinguish false teachers (/false prophets, false religions, etc) from the truth. So, using that/those... 'tests', I can see where religions, individuals, groups, etc, go wrong.
Does that explain it a little better? I am not entirely sure I understand your question in the first place.

[SplshMtnLvr28]

What is your opinion on other religions?
They are intriguing... Very fake looking to me, and (I mean no offense), frightening in that I can see Satan's hand plainly in many of them.

Wow...

I'm speechless.

[Dragonlord11_7]

I didn't mean that literally - I don't see the literal hand of Satan.. doing things in the actions/peoples of other religions. I mean... eh, it's hard to explain...
The Bible outlines ways to distinguish false teachers (/false prophets, false religions, etc) from the truth. So, using that/those... 'tests', I can see where religions, individuals, groups, etc, go wrong.
Does that explain it a little better? I am not entirely sure I understand your question in the first place.

Let me try and clarify. I didn't mean literally that Satan's hand was lying in the middle of the church. I meant did you mean that their rituals/ceremonies deal with something false or fake?

I'd love to get my hands on a copy of the bible, pre king james translation. Supposedly there are a lot of discrepancies that King James messed up translating. (red sea v. reed sea) I think it would be interesting to see the change from pre-translation to translation.

Same here. It fascinates me that some parts of the Bible the translators could have twisted into their needs. Also, there are lots of different Gospels and books out there that weren't admitted into the canon of the Bible.

[Mara]

Let me try and clarify. I didn't mean literally that Satan's hand was lying in the middle of the church. I meant did you mean that their rituals/ceremonies deal with something false or fake?


By fake, I meant that, to me, the basis (and I guess the rituals/ceremonies, too, now that you mention it) for many religions looks very empty and contrived.

[TheBellhop]

Alrighty... I generally try to avoid discussions on religion, as it almost always dissolves into flame wars. But you guys seem to be discussing things pretty maturely, so I'll give it a whirl...

What do you believe?
That God is the Creator of.. well, life, the universe, and everything. =) That God is the Trinity - Father God, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That every human is inherently born with the nature of/to sin. That the Earth is young. That Jesus was born a man, lived a sinless life, and literally died with the sins of the world (past, present, and future). That Jesus, having been dead and in Hell for three days, rose to life again, and ascended into Heaven (after appearing again as flesh several times). That Satan is real, bitter, and trying to keep as many people from God as possible (his time is limited). That our days are truely limited. That Jesus will return (rapture). That the world will end in fire. That God's children will live on the new Earth (or rather, the renewed Earth) for a thousand years - in that time, Jesus will reign from the New Jerusalem, and we will be fulfilled (like as in, anything left unfinished when the end comes will be finished. In my case, that may entail working with horses; for a woman who longed during her lifetime for love, she would likely find it there)... That angels and demons are real...

Why?
It's hard to explain. I know that is all truth for several different reasons - the testimonies of friends and family, historical fact matching up with biblical fact, testimonies of notable persons, and of my own conviction.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith?
No. Unless you mean in the context of improving one's faith and assurance. In that, I would say yes.

Have you ever changed your faith?
No.

What is your opinion on other religions?
They are intriguing... Very fake looking to me, and (I mean no offense), frightening in that I can see Satan's hand plainly in many of them.

Would you marry someone of a different religion?
Well, I am not supposed to. Not allowed to be "unequally yoked". That rule/command does make sense... Nonetheless, I do not, honestly, deep inside, feel it is inherently wrong it marry someone of a different religion.
Then again, I am just not interested in marriage at all. So my feelings on that subject are rather vague.

Ritual? You want to talk about empty rituals? Look no further than the modern-day Christian church. You think half of those people want to be there? People are sitting, praying in church and they don't even know why. They think that because they sit in the pews that immediately they are going to have their place in heaven. They think that if they say the Hail Mary and the Our Father repeatedly, that they will be washed clean of sin and ready for heaven. THIS is fake, empty, shallow. If they eat of the body of Christ, man, save a spot for them up there!

The problem I have with mass ritual and faith is that people don't understand WHY they are doing it. Many people's faiths are so shallow and empty because of this. You need to dig into your faith, question what you are told, and try to find God by yourself. Only then, by finding Him yourself, only then can you feel whole. This is why I will not call myself a Christian, I do not follow any typical religion. Christianity to me, it's got excellent ideals. The 10 Commandments, the Beatitudes, etc.; those are solid values. But do people care about these at all anymore? "Love your neighbor as yourself"? What happened to this?

No, I am not saying that every person who attends church is a hypocrite. Not at all, because I know many fantastic people who attend our church. But most people never FOLLOW the message! Do most people who exit those big doors of church remember the sermon halfway through the week? Do they even care anymore? This is the biggest problem with organized religion with me. Some can say they follow a certain religion, others can label themselves to their religion, but it's all so hypocritical! You must find in yourself what brings you closer to that higher power, and THEN can you participate in religion. For then, the rituals aren't empty anymore.

For you to judge people based on their religion, what they were brought up on, is hypocritical. For you to say that they are fake, and that Satan is present in them is just plain wrong. That would be like somebody from a different religion, let's say Islam, preaching to you that they find your rituals satanistic and untrue. It's not anyone's right to judge.

[MyHappyEnding_]

Ritual? You want to talk about empty rituals? Look no further than the modern-day Christian church. You think half of those people want to be there? People are sitting, praying in church and they don't even know why. They think that because they sit in the pews that immediately they are going to have their place in heaven. They think that if they say the Hail Mary and the Our Father repeatedly, that they will be washed clean of sin and ready for heaven. THIS is fake, empty, shallow. If they eat of the body of Christ, man, save a spot for them up there!

The problem I have with mass ritual and faith is that people don't understand WHY they are doing it. Many people's faiths are so shallow and empty because of this. You need to dig into your faith, question what you are told, and try to find God by yourself. Only then, by finding Him yourself, only then can you feel whole. This is why I will not call myself a Christian, I do not follow any typical religion. Christianity to me, it's got excellent ideals. The 10 Commandments, the Beatitudes, etc.; those are solid values. But do people care about these at all anymore? "Love your neighbor as yourself"? What happened to this?

No, I am not saying that every person who attends church is a hypocrite. Not at all, because I know many fantastic people who attend our church. But most people never FOLLOW the message! Do most people who exit those big doors of church remember the sermon halfway through the week? Do they even care anymore? This is the biggest problem with organized religion with me. Some can say they follow a certain religion, others can label themselves to their religion, but it's all so hypocritical! You must find in yourself what brings you closer to that higher power, and THEN can you participate in religion. For then, the rituals aren't empty anymore.

For you to judge people based on their religion, what they were brought up on, is hypocritical. For you to say that they are fake, and that Satan is present in them is just plain wrong. That would be like somebody from a different religion, let's say Islam, preaching to you that they find your rituals satanistic and untrue. It's not anyone's right to judge.

Hallelujah!

[IrishTink]

i am catholic and will never never never change my religeon.

[minniesBFF]

Im a christian. actually Im a baptist.
I wouldnt change my religion right now. If I got married to someone who was jewish or something, I might change it, but probably not.
My opinions on other religions, I respect them. some of them might have the wrong ideas, but everyone has a right to believe what they want, so I dont complain.

[Babyjustrun]

Ritual? You want to talk about empty rituals? Look no further than the modern-day Christian church. You think half of those people want to be there? People are sitting, praying in church and they don't even know why. They think that because they sit in the pews that immediately they are going to have their place in heaven. They think that if they say the Hail Mary and the Our Father repeatedly, that they will be washed clean of sin and ready for heaven. THIS is fake, empty, shallow. If they eat of the body of Christ, man, save a spot for them up there!

The problem I have with mass ritual and faith is that people don't understand WHY they are doing it. Many people's faiths are so shallow and empty because of this. You need to dig into your faith, question what you are told, and try to find God by yourself. Only then, by finding Him yourself, only then can you feel whole. This is why I will not call myself a Christian, I do not follow any typical religion. Christianity to me, it's got excellent ideals. The 10 Commandments, the Beatitudes, etc.; those are solid values. But do people care about these at all anymore? "Love your neighbor as yourself"? What happened to this?

No, I am not saying that every person who attends church is a hypocrite. Not at all, because I know many fantastic people who attend our church. But most people never FOLLOW the message! Do most people who exit those big doors of church remember the sermon halfway through the week? Do they even care anymore? This is the biggest problem with organized religion with me. Some can say they follow a certain religion, others can label themselves to their religion, but it's all so hypocritical! You must find in yourself what brings you closer to that higher power, and THEN can you participate in religion. For then, the rituals aren't empty anymore.

For you to judge people based on their religion, what they were brought up on, is hypocritical. For you to say that they are fake, and that Satan is present in them is just plain wrong. That would be like somebody from a different religion, let's say Islam, preaching to you that they find your rituals satanistic and untrue. It's not anyone's right to judge.

Church is a club.
It's a bunch of old ladies who gather, sit in the pews and then drink coffee and gossip about church ministers.
Like you said, they don't really follow their religion. Their mothers told them that going to church is a must. Heaven forbid they miss church. I see old ladies in wheel chairs with something like an iv poked into them, practically on death row, going to church because they just couldn't miss it.

[Dragonlord11_7]

Ritual? You want to talk about empty rituals? Look no further than the modern-day Christian church. You think half of those people want to be there? People are sitting, praying in church and they don't even know why. They think that because they sit in the pews that immediately they are going to have their place in heaven. They think that if they say the Hail Mary and the Our Father repeatedly, that they will be washed clean of sin and ready for heaven. THIS is fake, empty, shallow. If they eat of the body of Christ, man, save a spot for them up there!

The problem I have with mass ritual and faith is that people don't understand WHY they are doing it. Many people's faiths are so shallow and empty because of this. You need to dig into your faith, question what you are told, and try to find God by yourself. Only then, by finding Him yourself, only then can you feel whole. This is why I will not call myself a Christian, I do not follow any typical religion. Christianity to me, it's got excellent ideals. The 10 Commandments, the Beatitudes, etc.; those are solid values. But do people care about these at all anymore? "Love your neighbor as yourself"? What happened to this?

No, I am not saying that every person who attends church is a hypocrite. Not at all, because I know many fantastic people who attend our church. But most people never FOLLOW the message! Do most people who exit those big doors of church remember the sermon halfway through the week? Do they even care anymore? This is the biggest problem with organized religion with me. Some can say they follow a certain religion, others can label themselves to their religion, but it's all so hypocritical! You must find in yourself what brings you closer to that higher power, and THEN can you participate in religion. For then, the rituals aren't empty anymore.

For you to judge people based on their religion, what they were brought up on, is hypocritical. For you to say that they are fake, and that Satan is present in them is just plain wrong. That would be like somebody from a different religion, let's say Islam, preaching to you that they find your rituals satanistic and untrue. It's not anyone's right to judge.

:goodvibes

Yes, exactly, would anyone care to list the 10 Commandments in order off the top of their heads? Reconciliation, the concept is great. You tell the priest your sins, and he tries to forgive you. BUT, I doubt anyone does those service penances. Could you explain why devout "helpers of the poor" ignore a poor homeless person who's looking for a bit of money? Or, did you contribute enough money for the week? "Hey, sorry homeless guy, but I've donated (insert amount here) to the Church. Expect relief soon." I'm not saying all Christians are hypocritical. I know some really faithful people, and I admire their devotion. Especially since they're not as old as some of us here. Most of my grade calls going to mass on Tuesday an ordeal. Why? Has Church lost (or did it even have) its appeal, its importance to your daily life?

Truly hypocritical people call themselves Christians and seek the Lord only in times of "need". Why does it seem that Christians fall upon the Lord for help during times of hardship? Why can't you keep the enthusiasm in prayer that you had when so and so was sick or dying? Couldn't you confer with God your happy times of the day? How about thanking him for another day lived? People never realize the importance of life until their life is over. Then what happens? Does God send angels with a chariot to lead you into heaven? Or should you be unfortunate and be sent to purgatory or hell?

I think questioning your religion builds upon your faith. Because you then get a chance to experience it for yourself, without somebody thrusting it at you and saying "This is the truth. Believe it and you're going to heaven." People are afraid to question their faith, why is that? I'm sorry if that seemed completely focused at degrading Christianity or anybody.

[HSMndLKfan92]

Reconciliation, the concept is great. You tell the priest your sins, and he tries to forgive you.

I don't like the concept of reconciliation. A man I barely know does not need to know my mistakes.

[Dragonlord11_7]

I don't like the concept of reconciliation. A man I barely know does not need to know my mistakes.

I like the idea that you can be forgiven. Not the telling the priest. But they have their ethics :|

[HSMndLKfan92]

I like the idea that you can be forgiven. Not the telling the priest. But they have their ethics :|

::yes:: Last time I went for penance, I was so nervous, I could barely breathe. The priest was like, "calm down." I'm like, "I can't."

[Captain Brain]

Church is a club.
It's a bunch of old ladies who gather, sit in the pews and then drink coffee and gossip about church ministers.
Like you said, they don't really follow their religion. Their mothers told them that going to church is a must. Heaven forbid they miss church. I see old ladies in wheel chairs with something like an iv poked into them, practically on death row, going to church because they just couldn't miss it.

So now I'm an old lady? *gasp* :scared1: :rotfl:

[GirlWithSpunk]

Hmmm, Does anybody pray to the Virgin Mary?

[Just to change things up a bit]

[Captain Brain]

:goodvibes

Yes, exactly, would anyone care to list the 10 Commandments in order off the top of their heads?

The Ten Commandments:

Thou Shalt not have any gods before me
Thou shalt not covet
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shall keep the Sabbath day holy *Gets out Bible* Ok I can do five with out looking..
Thou shall not commit adultery
Thou shalt not give false testimony
Thou shalt not misuse the name of the Lord (Ex: Oh My God!)
Honor thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not worship false idols.

[Babyjustrun]

So now I'm an old lady? *gasp* :scared1: :rotfl:

ahah no.
just generally, most people who go to church are ladies who grew up in a time where church was important, and skirts shouldn't go past the knees.
my church is all old people, the only kids that show up go to sunday school. I refuse to do that. I'll sit through the sermon thanks.

[GirlWithSpunk]

I've only been inside a church twice and never want to go back in.

[Captain Brain]

I actually like church. The preacher preaches on a level that I can understand, and he doesn't talk in King James. (Thou, Thy, Shall) I go to the early church service and this is our schedule of events:

8:00: Get there, announcements
8:05 - 8:15: Singing.
8:15 - 9:00: Sermon
Then we go to the back and have breakfast, then at 9:30 we go to Sunday School. When Sunday School ends, I go home. :p

[Babyjustrun]

I actually like church. The preacher preaches on a level that I can understand, and he doesn't talk in King James. (Thou, Thy, Shall) I go to the early church service and this is our schedule of events:

8:00: Get there, announcements
8:05 - 8:15: Singing.
8:15 - 9:00: Sermon
Then we go to the back and have breakfast, then at 9:30 we go to Sunday School. When Sunday School ends, I go home. :p

That is really early to go to church.
If I do go to church, I don't go until like 11. and then when it's over, I'm forced to stay because my mother has a comitment with UCW.

[GirlWithSpunk]

I dont go to church. I go to my temple, room, meeting, whatever I dont know how to say it in Enlgish. [Spanish=salon]

Anyways, its Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday from 7:00-9:00 or 10:00. Most of us stay there talking and catching up about things; I dont go alot anymore...I feel bad. :sad2:

[TheBellhop]

The only reason I am going to church is because I'm being forced to. Church is a nice idea. The singing is great, and the sermons are typically intriguing and thought-provoking. The mass that we go to is at 12:15 until about 1:10ish.

[Mara]

Ritual? You want to talk about empty rituals? Look no further than the modern-day Christian church. You think half of those people want to be there? People are sitting, praying in church and they don't even know why. They think that because they sit in the pews that immediately they are going to have their place in heaven. They think that if they say the Hail Mary and the Our Father repeatedly, that they will be washed clean of sin and ready for heaven. THIS is fake, empty, shallow. If they eat of the body of Christ, man, save a spot for them up there!

The problem I have with mass ritual and faith is that people don't understand WHY they are doing it. Many people's faiths are so shallow and empty because of this. You need to dig into your faith, question what you are told, and try to find God by yourself. Only then, by finding Him yourself, only then can you feel whole. This is why I will not call myself a Christian, I do not follow any typical religion. Christianity to me, it's got excellent ideals. The 10 Commandments, the Beatitudes, etc.; those are solid values. But do people care about these at all anymore? "Love your neighbor as yourself"? What happened to this?

No, I am not saying that every person who attends church is a hypocrite. Not at all, because I know many fantastic people who attend our church. But most people never FOLLOW the message! Do most people who exit those big doors of church remember the sermon halfway through the week? Do they even care anymore? This is the biggest problem with organized religion with me. Some can say they follow a certain religion, others can label themselves to their religion, but it's all so hypocritical! You must find in yourself what brings you closer to that higher power, and THEN can you participate in religion. For then, the rituals aren't empty anymore.

For you to judge people based on their religion, what they were brought up on, is hypocritical. For you to say that they are fake, and that Satan is present in them is just plain wrong. That would be like somebody from a different religion, let's say Islam, preaching to you that they find your rituals satanistic and untrue. It's not anyone's right to judge.


Yes indeed, you make good points. I'm sorry about my poor wording... I'm always terrible about that.
Though how I said it, it does look like I'm... eh, how to say it? Standing on one big side throwing potshots at the others. But I don't just mean I'm objecting to empty rituals in, say, 'non-Christian religions'. Rather, as you put it, I object to empty rituals in general. That's why I didn't name anything in particular - because it's everywhere. Yes, even the church I attend has some of it's own rituals / symbolic things it does, that I do not like / that I object to.
On the flip side, nearly every religion and every denomination DOES at least have an element or elements of truth.

[AngienLuLu]

popcorn:: interesting thread...

[Captain Brain]

popcorn:: interesting thread...
Very interesting.

[Babyjustrun]

You notice how all of our threads lately spand over many, many pages?

[AngienLuLu]

Very interesting.

did you read my pm? i am gonna talk to him, i really am.

[Captain Brain]

did you read my pm? i am gonna talk to him, i really am.
I read it, and I hope that he understands. Now just to get him to wake up. ;)

[Captain Brain]

You notice how all of our threads lately spand over many, many pages?

With topics like religion and Harry Potter, they will be long threads.

[Babyjustrun]

With topics like religion and Harry Potter, they will be long threads.

That's true.
But it's good.
I like topics that last.

[HSMndLKfan92]

They're all topics we can openly discuss.

And a lot of people add to what a poster has to say.

[polysisterchick]

i don't know if anyone has answered this post yet so yea. i'll attempt.

Sorry but I think it's pretty bad to punish all of humanity for eating the "off-limit/all-powerful" apple. And why would God/Yahweh/Jehovah punish Eve and Adam and the Serpent if the Serpent had tempted her into it? I mean, I'm pretty sure they didn't know better to be tempted.

That would be the major test that God was planning for Adam and Eve. If Adam had rejected the forbidden fruit (we don't know which fruit it was), humanity would have received instant glorification. We'd be higher than the angels. Yes, they did know not to be tempted. God specifically told them, Don't eat the fruit. They ate it, by their free will.

Earlier, Shelby was asking what's the deal with free will?

Well, God wanted us to choose whether we wanted a relationship with Him.
If you created something, would you rather it have a free will or a programmed spirit? He wants to converse with someone who wasn't programmed to say/do what is proper. How boring would it be to hear the repetetive, Holy are you O God, if there is no free will/choice involved.

yes, He knows everything that will happen.
it's His plan.

i honestly


Why would Satan/Lucifer turn against God?
jealousy.


Or did Lucifer ever exist?

in human form? not that i know of
angelic form? yes


Did God create the Devil to test the lives of "his people"? Their integrity and faith?

yes.

Or, if Lucifer did turn against God, did he know about this?

come again?
who is (the bolded) he?

Does God know what will truly happen? Because if he did, I see no point in testing the faith of his people. You simply gaze into the future and you know what to expect.

yes, God does. Testing faith will either crumble it/make it stronger in Him... so He knows what will happen, the christian doesn't. That's why he (the christian) has to trust God in what will happen in his life.



i've been trying to answer this all day.
Gah.
Been taken away from the computer each time i tried to post.
Yea. Some are my opinions (ex. the last one) others are not.

[Dragonlord11_7]

i don't know if anyone has answered this post yet so yea. i'll attempt.



That would be the major test that God was planning for Adam and Eve. If Adam had rejected the forbidden fruit (we don't know which fruit it was), humanity would have received instant glorification. We'd be higher than the angels. Yes, they did know not to be tempted. God specifically told them, Don't eat the fruit. They ate it, by their free will.

Earlier, Shelby was asking what's the deal with free will?

Well, God wanted us to choose whether we wanted a relationship with Him.
If you created something, would you rather it have a free will or a programmed spirit? He wants to converse with someone who wasn't programmed to say/do what is proper. How boring would it be to hear the repetetive, Holy are you O God, if there is no free will/choice involved.

yes, He knows everything that will happen.
it's His plan.

i honestly


jealousy.



in human form? not that i know of
angelic form? yes



yes.



come again?
who is (the bolded) he?



yes, God does. Testing faith will either crumble it/make it stronger in Him... so He knows what will happen, the christian doesn't. That's why he (the christian) has to trust God in what will happen in his life.



i've been trying to answer this all day.
Gah.
Been taken away from the computer each time i tried to post.
Yea. Some are my opinions (ex. the last one) others are not.

Heh... Notice that all of those quotes are from me. :rolleyes: And the "he" I was referring to was God. And from the looks of it, the question has been answered. I think I intended most of the questions to be rhetorical.

[Captain Brain]

Thanks Rachel, you took my job as DIS teen preacher. :p

[polysisterchick]

Heh... Notice that all of those quotes are from me. :rolleyes: And the "he" I was referring to was God. And from the looks of it, the question has been answere I think I intended most of the questions to be rhetorical.

sorry.
i felt like i could answer those questions.
I didn't take those as rhetorical.
sorry.
S
Thanks Rachel, you took my job as DIS teen preacher. :p

:rotfl:
i've got an amazing bible teacher that has gone over this stuff in major depth at school

[Sparkle_Cherry]

If you want me to be honest then I'll be honest. I don't believe in God, or in any God or Goddess for that matter.

I know that I might get eaten alive by some people on these boards for saying that, but I'm not saying there is anything bad about belonging to a faith. I respect peoples' beliefs and I mostly try and steer clear from religious conversation, because I don't want to stir up problems. But I also think that I have a right to express my opinion and I shouldn't keep quiet just to make other people happy.

I don't want somebody to preach to me either, there is absolutely nothing that anybody can say that will change my mind or conform me. I believe what I believe, and other people have their own ideas too. I am more interested in nature and science, believing in God just never seemed right to me.

I was born into a family that does more or less believe in God; my father doesn't but he never spoke about religion much. I used to go to Church on Sundays and I went to Sunday School with my brother and two sisters afterwards. But still, none of it ever seemed right to me. It's just who I am, religion was just not meant for me I guess.

~C.B.

[PlainJane]

What do you believe? I'm a Christian

Why? To tell the truth I don't know. I didn't start going to church until I was 5 maybe, and that was after begging my parents to take me. I have no idea why I wanted to go to church so bad. There has just always been something in me saying there is a God, and when I learned about Jesus and everything it just made sense. I've just always believed.

Have you ever thought about changing your faith? No

Have you ever changed your faith? No

What is your opinion on other religions? I believe they're false. I however have no problem with people following them because it's their choice. I have friends who believe in a different religion than I do.

Would you marry someone of a different religion? No, the Bible even speaks on not marrying outside your faith. Even if the Bible didn't say anything about it I wouldn't do it. With kids and everything it just seems that things would get a tad bit confusing.