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YYCGal
12-26-2006, 12:06 PM
Hi anny - we're new to this forum, so if this ? is in the wrong place, just let me know where to post it...

We have a MYW Pass w ParkHopper. Can anyone just jump onthe monorail or do you need to be a resort guest??

ducklite
12-26-2006, 12:13 PM
Anyone can use the monorail or any other WDW transportation.

Anne

Dizzy4Dizney
12-26-2006, 12:13 PM
Hi
Anyone can use the monorail. It's one of the only "free" things in Disney. Actully, not free, you have to pay to get to the parking lot first!

lost*in*cyberspace
12-26-2006, 02:54 PM
I do not believe it is true that anyone can ride the monorail. I have been asked to show a park admission ticket before boarding at the TTC.

I'mNoPrince
12-26-2006, 03:13 PM
I do not believe it is true that anyone can ride the monorail. I have been asked to show a park admission ticket before boarding at the TTC.


I have also seen them ask for resort ID during peak times for the resort loop as well.

Now I would have to say thats about 3 to 5% of all the times I have been on the monorail and we ride it alot.

ducklite
12-26-2006, 03:32 PM
I do not believe it is true that anyone can ride the monorail. I have been asked to show a park admission ticket before boarding at the TTC.

That doesn't make sense a many choose to buy tickets at the MK or Epcot. Or perhaps are meeting people at one of those parks who is holding their tickets.

Anne

ducklite
12-26-2006, 03:34 PM
I have also seen them ask for resort ID during peak times for the resort loop as well.

Now I would have to say thats about 3 to 5% of all the times I have been on the monorail and we ride it alot.

That I can see, although if someone is heading to a resort for a meal that they have an ADR for, that's not going to work. I have seen people held at the TTC unless their name was on the ADR list for Cindy's breakfast on early entry days though...

Anne

ducklite
12-26-2006, 03:36 PM
For the record what I've seen the most was bus drivers requiring a guest to show a resort ID card to take a bus from DTD to a park or resort. That was to keep people from parking for free at DTD and hopping a bus to a park. Now that buses no longer run to the parks, it's not as big of a deal.

Anne

disneyfreak71
12-26-2006, 03:46 PM
The last tiem we stayed at POFQ, there was a substantial wait to take the boat to DTD. Come to find out, the 10, yes 10 people in front of us were sight seeing and parked at DTD and took the boat to POFQ. They said they do it often, and have never been asked for any ID or anything. Needless to say, I advised them we were staying there and moved up in line the 10 spots since we were paying for their sight seeing.

They said they do it often, even taking a bus from DTD to Poly or Contemporary and then riding the Monorail to the different spots. Sometimes they will even ride it to watch the fireworks at the different parks.

dudspizza
12-26-2006, 10:03 PM
The last tiem we stayed at POFQ, there was a substantial wait to take the boat to DTD. Come to find out, the 10, yes 10 people in front of us were sight seeing and parked at DTD and took the boat to POFQ. They said they do it often, and have never been asked for any ID or anything. Needless to say, I advised them we were staying there and moved up in line the 10 spots since we were paying for their sight seeing.

They said they do it often, even taking a bus from DTD to Poly or Contemporary and then riding the Monorail to the different spots. Sometimes they will even ride it to watch the fireworks at the different parks.

Many people do this. The technical answer is that if you are staying on property or have a park hopper pass, you have the permission to ride boats, buses, and monorails. Yes, you were staying at POFQ, but you didn't have any right to jump in front of those folks. Staying at a particular resort does not give you line jumping rights, unfortunatley.

Duds

Tinkerbell424
12-26-2006, 10:06 PM
Anybody can use the monorail:)

PlainJane
12-26-2006, 10:10 PM
Many people do this. The technical answer is that if you are staying on property or have a park hopper pass, you have the permission to ride boats, buses, and monorails. Yes, you were staying at POFQ, but you didn't have any right to jump in front of those folks. Staying at a particular resort does not give you line jumping rights, unfortunatley.

Duds

You only have to have a park hopper pass, even for the busses? I've seen signs about being prepared to show a resort ID before getting on a bus before. I've never seen anything about park hopper passes before:confused3

snowy76
12-26-2006, 10:20 PM
You only have to have a park hopper pass, even for the busses? I've seen signs about being prepared to show a resort ID before getting on a bus before. I've never seen anything about park hopper passes before:confused3
The odds of you being asked to do that are miniscule. I've never seen it done (although as others have said, they have). But honestly, I wouldn't give it another thought. WDW pretty much assumes you're visiting more than one park on your visit.

MariDisney
12-26-2006, 10:24 PM
We were asked to show either our resort ID or park tickets this past Sept. I don't remember what they actually asked for because they were one in the same for us. Anyway, twice at the TTC I was asked to show it before boarding either the bus or the monorail during EMH and Magical Beginnings hours.

marc1477
12-26-2006, 11:23 PM
In the years that I have been there, I have never been asked to show id for transportation. Again, I have not used transportation when it was really busy, ie park opening/closing.

YYCGal
12-27-2006, 12:48 AM
Hmmm - more and more confusing. It almost sounds like the 'rules' are very flexible and are at the discretion of the WDW employees...

jimmiej
12-27-2006, 02:06 AM
I've been there at all different times & never been asked to show resort ID. :confused3

ducklite
12-27-2006, 07:50 AM
You only have to have a park hopper pass, even for the busses? I've seen signs about being prepared to show a resort ID before getting on a bus before. I've never seen anything about park hopper passes before:confused3


Like I said, many years ago you needed resort ID to ride the buses. Now you need nothing. They want people to go to the hotels and spend money in the restaurants and gift shops.

Anne

goofy4tink
12-27-2006, 07:50 AM
If you have park passes, you are entitled to any of the WDW transportation options. Now, if you are trying to get to the parks via a bus, boat, or monorail, for EMHs, you may quite possibly have to show resort ID since you have to be a resort guest in order to get into the park for the EMHs. The bus drivers/monorail folks may just be making sure it is only the actual resort guest that is hopping on board that early/late.
Otherwise, anyone can ride the monorail.

ducklite
12-27-2006, 07:51 AM
We were asked to show either our resort ID or park tickets this past Sept. I don't remember what they actually asked for because they were one in the same for us. Anyway, twice at the TTC I was asked to show it before boarding either the bus or the monorail during EMH and Magical Beginnings hours.

That was to keep non-resort guests who do'nt have the right to do EMH/MB to get near the place. That's a special circumstance.

Anne

DebbieB
12-27-2006, 08:00 AM
I have seen them checking tickets at the TTC. CM's stand by the gates that you go through before the monorail ramps. They really don't look at them, you just flash the ticket.

One thing I don't get is they have security for cars entering a resort, they check your license, etc. But anyone can get into a resort on a bus or boat. I've never seen an ID check on a bus or boat.

bicker
12-27-2006, 08:07 AM
Hmmm - more and more confusing. It almost sounds like the 'rules' are very flexible and are at the discretion of the WDW employees...Always. Every rule is subject to discretion. The rules exist to make things better, not worse, so they're only typically enforced when doing so would make a difference.

The rules are very clear. I even asked and received an official confirmation from WDW about it: Resort transportation is for the exclusive use of resort guests. However, over the last 15 years, I can count on one hand the number of occasions I've seen them enforce that rule. There is absolutely no reason to enforce it except when the transportation system is overloaded, so you won't see it enforced on a regular basis.

helenk
12-27-2006, 08:31 AM
It does seem strange that the transportation options would be limited to resort guests only.
If you park at the TTC the only way to get to any of the parks is Disney Transportation. There are buses that go to the parks and the monorail and Ferry.
If Disney transportation was only for resort guests, then why have the option of parking at the TTC area?

lost*in*cyberspace
12-27-2006, 09:11 AM
That doesn't make sense a many choose to buy tickets at the MK or Epcot. Or perhaps are meeting people at one of those parks who is holding their tickets.

Maybe not, but I am just reporting my personal experience. In January 2006, my family and I (and everyone else boarding) were asked to show our park admission passes before being allowed to board the monorail.

I'mNoPrince
12-27-2006, 09:39 AM
It does seem strange that the transportation options would be limited to resort guests only.
If you park at the TTC the only way to get to any of the parks is Disney Transportation. There are buses that go to the parks and the monorail and Ferry.
If Disney transportation was only for resort guests, then why have the option of parking at the TTC area?


It's not all transportation just the Resort Transportation that I have seen them check.If I'm not mistaken there is no busses that go from the TTC to any resort you would have to go to Epcot or MK to do so.

So Monorail express,ferry to MK and busses to other parks are for park guest.

The problem is when people are using resort transportation overloading that for resort guest.

I think there system is broken anyhow and poorly set up. I still use it as I drive all week so on vacation I try to limit the driving I do.

ducklite
12-27-2006, 09:58 AM
So lets say DH and I decide to go to WDW. I have an AP, he just buys park tickets one day at a time, as he only goes a couple times a year.

Let's say we are at Epcot, and decide to go have dinner at Citrico's at the GF. We live local, and yes, sometimes take car service to WDW so we can drink responsibly.

If they refused to let my DH take the monorail to the GF, they would simply put, lose a $200 dinner tab. (we usually order wine, so that's not an exageration.) Do you really think WDW wants to lose that customer? I sure don't. And no, I'm not spending $40 to take a cab there and back.

I can understand that they don't want people parking for free at DTD and then just riding around looking at the resorts and leaving without spending a dime. But to tell someone who wants to have a meal that they can't because they aren't a resort guest is absurd.

Anne

goofy4tink
12-27-2006, 10:01 AM
Always. Every rule is subject to discretion. The rules exist to make things better, not worse, so they're only typically enforced when doing so would make a difference.

The rules are very clear. I even asked and received an official confirmation from WDW about it: Resort transportation is for the exclusive use of resort guests. However, over the last 15 years, I can count on one hand the number of occasions I've seen them enforce that rule. There is absolutely no reason to enforce it except when the transportation system is overloaded, so you won't see it enforced on a regular basis.

I have also talked to WDW about this one....I've been told that anyone holding park passes is entitled to use any of the transportation at WDW, with the exception of the resort monorail. That is subject to resort ID's being asked for. Every piece of WDW package info you see will tell you that you are entitled to the use of all WDW transportation if you buy a park hopper pass.

Of course, I have had someone tell me that only those staying at the GF can ride in the front car of the monorail, or that they took the monorail directly from the GF to Epcot...never got off to change!!! There is a ton of misinformation out there.
My advice? Be prepared to show resort/park pass info at any time while in WDW.

Mickiethepooh
12-27-2006, 10:32 AM
There used to be something right on the ticket itself stating it gave you access to all disney transportation. it is part of the Ticket. Now if you are not a guest and don't have any ticket yet, then that could be a problem though I have never seen anyone asked to show a ticket.

bicker
12-27-2006, 11:10 AM
It does seem strange that the transportation options would be limited to resort guests only.It says that resort transportation would be limited to resort guests only. Transportation between the theme parks, and between TTC and MK, surely are never restricted in that manner.

bicker
12-27-2006, 11:12 AM
I have also talked to WDW about this one....I've been told that anyone holding park passes is entitled to use any of the transportation at WDW, with the exception of the resort monorail.It actually applies to all resort-specific transportation. I've seen it enforced (just once, though) on the water launch from MK to WL. Other than that, the only other instances of enforcement were all related to the resort monorail.

bicker
12-27-2006, 11:14 AM
There used to be something right on the ticket itself stating it gave you access to all disney transportation. it is part of the Ticket.Actually, all it said was that the ticket included a transportation fee. That's all. It was ostensibly for the use of the monorail or boat from TTC to the MK. The legend never included the word "all".

That was done for tax reasons, back-in-the-day, and of course no longer applies.

snowy76
12-27-2006, 11:26 AM
Seems like the rule is just a CYA thing for WDW management -- if there's an extreme situation that would require restricting the resort transportation, it's there in black and white. But the vast majority of the time it's not necessary -- as Anne said, management wants you to spend your money all over the resort, not just the parks. Anne's example is a great one. Also, I'd imagine there are many off-property visitors who take a peek at the resorts and maybe decide to book their next trip onsite. WDW won't want to discourage that. But if there is an exceptional situation, they have something in writing.

bicker
12-27-2006, 11:29 AM
Quite right. As I mentioned earlier, the rules Disney has tend to be to make things better, not worse, so they'll only be applied when they have an overall positive effect (though it might disadvantage some guests).

One other thing to keep in mind, though: Disney has substantially improved their transportation management over the years, so they tend to do a better job at predicting how many busses (especially) they'll need where/when. So at least with regard to busses, you can almost expect to NEVER see any enforcement whatsoever. The monorail and boats are a little more difficult to manage in that way, because they only have a limited number of them, and cannot readily redeploy other monorails/boats from one part of the property to the other.

disneyfreak71
12-27-2006, 02:29 PM
Yes, you were staying at POFQ, but you didn't have any right to jump in front of those folks. Staying at a particular resort does not give you line jumping rights, unfortunatley.

Duds

When my wife and I discussed it with those in line that were not staying there, they agreed with us that we should be in front of them. They actually felt bad because we paid and they did not. I would do it again if the same situation presented itself. The boat drivers should check for ID at DTD before allowing people on the boats to the resorts.

ducklite
12-27-2006, 02:35 PM
When my wife and I discussed it with those in line that were not staying there, they agreed with us that we should be in front of them. They actually felt bad because we paid and they did not. I would do it again if the same situation presented itself. The boat drivers should check for ID at DTD before allowing people on the boats to the resorts.


Hmmm....I go to DTD a lot for work. What if I decided one evening to go there a bit early so I could park and take the boat over to POR to have dinner. I'm going there to spend money, does that mean I shouldn't be able to take the boat? If I'm refused a boat ride, I'll spend my money at a non-WDW owed restaurant at DTD. So how would that help Disney?

Anne

Mickiethepooh
12-27-2006, 03:02 PM
When my wife and I discussed it with those in line that were not staying there, they agreed with us that we should be in front of them. They actually felt bad because we paid and they did not. I would do it again if the same situation presented itself. The boat drivers should check for ID at DTD before allowing people on the boats to the resorts.

Um there is no requirement that you be staying at the resort the boat goes to or from. not unless this is something very new.

Robert P
12-27-2006, 03:23 PM
Several years ago, we took the DTD pontoon boat up to OKW, to scout out the place for a future visit. The 'captain' told the waiting line (before they opened the gate to the dock) that any OKW guests would be given priority for the seats, and anyone not staying at OKW would be allowed to fill in the remaining seats. As the line was not huge, it was a non-issue going up there. He told us that it would be the same coming back from OKW as well, that OKW guests would have a priority in boarding (over non OKW guests), since they were staying at the resort.

It made sense to us, that the paying guests of that resort should have priority over 'visitors', since they were paying to stay there, and even that their items (change of clothes, et al) were located in their rooms at that particular resort.

As Bicker mentioned, the boats do have a limited capacity, versus the possible solution of adding an extra bus to a route to pick up waiting guests.

We've been going to WDW now for 9 years. We have only seen resort id required for transpo purposes twice, both times at MK, on an EMH (was EE) morning. We thought it was more for an added level of EE access control, rather than for just the use of the monorail.

AllyBri
12-27-2006, 03:58 PM
We are on line waiting for the Pontoon at OKW (fairly long line) we get into a conversation with the group in front of us, they are staying at SS, first time and they are brand new members. They took the Pontoon to OKW to have dinner and look around.
Pontoon shows up and driver gets off and announces that OKW guests will be the first to board and then if there is room others can board. He starts checking room ids and see's that these guests are from SS and tell them to stand aside. Checks our id and we are on the pontoon. He then tells these people, that they should take a bus to DD and from there to get the bus to SS. :confused3
I said to the driver, how can this be possible? He said, that's the way it is (I don't think so) I think some of these drivers make their own rules.
I called back to the SS people and told them to be sure they report this at the front desk, when they get back to SS.
Of course I was given a few dirty looks from the driver. :headache:

ducklite
12-27-2006, 04:38 PM
We are on line waiting for the Pontoon at OKW (fairly long line) we get into a conversation with the group in front of us, they are staying at SS, first time and they are brand new members. They took the Pontoon to OKW to have dinner and look around.
Pontoon shows up and driver gets off and announces that OKW guests will be the first to board and then if there is room others can board. He starts checking room ids and see's that these guests are from SS and tell them to stand aside. Checks our id and we are on the pontoon. He then tells these people, that they should take a bus to DD and from there to get the bus to SS. :confused3
I said to the driver, how can this be possible? He said, that's the way it is (I don't think so) I think some of these drivers make their own rules.
I called back to the SS people and told them to be sure they report this at the front desk, when they get back to SS.
Of course I was given a few dirty looks from the driver. :headache:

Using my previous scenarios of going to dinner, that resort would have lost my business. I'm not screwing around waiting for a bus when I've already waited for a pontoon--especially because there's no signage indicating that I wouldn't be accomodated. :mad: :sad2:

Anne

Anne

bicker
12-27-2006, 04:40 PM
Playing the odds -- for the very few times they'd have to restrict the pontoon (once every two or three years, for about two or three trips max???), that's not a big concern.

AllyBri
12-27-2006, 05:14 PM
Playing the odds -- for the very few times they'd have to restrict the pontoon (once every two or three years, for about two or three trips max???), that's not a big concern.

I'm not sure if you're referring to my post.
I don't think a DVC member staying at OKW or SS should ever be told they cannot use the pontoon. It's just wrong.

bicker
12-28-2006, 07:41 AM
I'm not sure if you're referring to my post.
I don't think a DVC member staying at OKW or SS should ever be told they cannot use the pontoon. It's just wrong.Well, then you and Disney may have a difference of opinion. Unfortunately, it's "their house, their rules," and so they get to determine what is and is not "wrong" when it comes to what's best for their guests, as a group (even if that means that OKW folks have priority for the OKW pontoon). Again, I think this happens very very very very rarely, so I wouldn't worry about it, but if it poses such a concern for a guest, that guest may be better off avoiding using the pontoon, entirely.

I'mNoPrince
12-28-2006, 08:06 AM
Well, then you and Disney may have a difference of opinion. Unfortunately, it's "their house, their rules," and so they get to determine what is and is not "wrong" when it comes to what's best for their guests, as a group (even if that means that OKW folks have priority for the OKW pontoon). Again, I think this happens very very very very rarely, so I wouldn't worry about it, but if it poses such a concern for a guest, that guest may be better off avoiding using the pontoon, entirely.


I agree that this is not a hugh problem on a everyday basis.

But the pontoon that runs now is a DVC pontoon not a OKW one anymore.

It's an DTD,SSR,OKW loop. Then a POR,POFQ DTD loop.Last is Westside,PI ,Marketplace.

So they would be getting a call if I was told I couldn't board it.I do still have a problem with anyone being able to walk into SSR off the street or through transportation but thats another story and really is no difference from most anyother place we vacation.I just don't understand the checking cars at the front gate only and free access everywhere else.

AllyBri
12-31-2006, 12:35 AM
Well, then you and Disney may have a difference of opinion. Unfortunately, it's "their house, their rules," and so they get to determine what is and is not "wrong" when it comes to what's best for their guests, as a group (even if that means that OKW folks have priority for the OKW pontoon). Again, I think this happens very very very very rarely, so I wouldn't worry about it, but if it poses such a concern for a guest, that guest may be better off avoiding using the pontoon, entirely.

You don't actually believe, that Disney executives-management sat down and said, when we have a DVC guest, leaving OKW and going back to SS villa, leave them at OKW or tell them to take the bus back???
Or maybe you do.
Disney does not make rules like this, but some CMs that work for Disney do.

bicker
12-31-2006, 07:05 AM
Decisions like that are made by operating managers. That is the appropriate level for such decisions to be made. As I indicated earlier, Disney will confirm the policy if you inquire about it at WDW Guest Communications.

ducklite
12-31-2006, 07:14 AM
I do still have a problem with anyone being able to walk into SSR off the street or through transportation but thats another story and really is no difference from most anyother place we vacation.I just don't understand the checking cars at the front gate only and free access everywhere else.

It's no different than BWV, BCV, and VWL. I'm not sure what you problem is...

Anne