2 New Ships

[joksten2000]

An officer on board said this Dec DCL will announce two new ships for 2010. Both with 14 decks and will hold 3500 people. Hope he knew what he was talking about, and he did say it with confidence.

[mostyn17]

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[jenschaef1]

Our head server mentioned it to us on the 9/30 Eastern Cruise - pretty much word for word what you said. I was very surprised when I got back and couldn't find anything about it on the boards. Welcome back from your B2B Jokeston.
Jennifer

[Minnie328]

Hi!
I sure knows what he's talking about too! If this is true I will probably scream, or cry, like I did when I thought that a 3rd ship was being announced but there was no credibility... :rotfl:
I graduate in 2010 and that would be a pretty fun graduation present.... :cheer2:

[klineyqueen]

I sincerely hope it is true! I look forward to the announcement.

[SpinDisc]

That would be amazing...because then hopefully, they would have a Med. Cruise all the time instead of just Summer '07. I'd love to visit all those places, but loved my cruise this past summer so much that I would want the Disney "magic" while I traveled there!

:hyper: Fingers crossed :hyper:

[aan1701]

I will belive it when I see it. Sorry, but you hear about DCL buliding a new ship or two almost every other day. So I take it wiith a grian of salt.

[Donnainnj]

Last week I heard something similar, got it second hand from the sister of a DVC owner who was just there and said they are building two ships, no other details except that they would be in NYNY and Ca. Would love to see that, but not holding my breath.
Donna

[Par8hed]

Gotta love that NYNY part!

[tvguy]

This officer.............did he look anything like Mr. Haney on Green Acres?

:happytv:

[LCTsMom]

This officer.............did he look anything like Mr. Haney on Green Acres?

:happytv:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[disneyfanatic3166]

I sincerely hope its true! NY, NY would be great for New Englanders! :jumping1:

[JoeEpcotRocks]

This officer.............did he look anything like Mr. Haney on Green Acres?

:happytv:


:rotfl:
Yeah, he even had etchings of the new ships in the back of his truck.

(No offense, I really do hope it's true about 2 new ships.)

[captaincrash]

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Yahooo!

Even if we have to wait 4-7 years for the new ships to arrive - I'm happy to hear of EVEN A RUMOR about new DCL ships!

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[MrsJobba1]

I sincerely hope its true! NY, NY would be great for New Englanders! :jumping1:

Just checking is NY New York?
:goodvibes

[CarolG]

Just checking is NY New York?
:goodvibes
Yes, it is. :thumbsup2

[beachblanket]

I will belive it when I see it. Sorry, but you hear about DCL buliding a new ship or two almost every other day. So I take it wiith a grian of salt.

A HUGE grain at that. If I had a nickle for every "trust me, a new ship is just around the corner" rumor that I've seen posted here over time, I could have retired years ago.

[RRB]

An officer on board said this Dec DCL will announce two new ships for 2010. Both with 14 decks and will hold 3500 people. Hope he knew what he was talking about, and he did say it with confidence.

the timing sounds about right, although maybe a little aggresive. Carnival announced yesterday the addition of 2 new smaller cruise ships (450 passengers each) to their fleet with an expected completion date of 2008/2009. If DCL has agreements in place already, 2010 may be possible.

Based on the rumors regarding this subject in the past 5 years, I'll believe it when I see it from Disney.

[RRB]

I guess there are company's who aren't deterred by the exchange rate.....

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/traveloutdoors/2002788423_webcruiseship06.html

From what I have read on line, the current exchange rate will cost +/- $200 million extra for this ship.

Wow

[my3kids]

Why would they put a new ship in NY and CA for that matter? I would think they would use the old ones to do land and seas with one new ones being Florida based for easier year yound 7 night trips (and the same with one in CA) New York year round wouldn't be much fun for a week trip. It takes some time to get some place warm.

[beachblanket]

New York year round wouldn't be much fun for a week trip. It takes some time to get some place warm.

NCL has been doing this for years with two ships in the port year round. People who have taken their cruises in the middle of the winter say by that day 2 (off South Carolina) you can enjoy the outdoor decks and even often swim in the heated pools.

Also, the Tri-state area (NY, NJ and CT) around NYC is a huge, huge market, and post 9/11 not everyone wants to fly to Florida for a vacation, especially in the winter when weather can cause all sorts of air travel issues. So if Disney was smart, if they ever add vessels (I'm not holding my breath :rolleyes: ) they would take a serious look at New York.

[2angelsinheaven]

The ships that port here from NY are on 7 or 8 night trips most of the time. They call Brumuda, Bahamas and Port Canaveral and sometimes Key West/Miami. We get one from NY every week sometimes more. I guess anything is possible, but we want the new ship here...=o)

[my3kids]

My guess would actually be Galveston. Disney is putting a new park of an American History variety in the Houston area. A 3 day park, 4 day cruise could maybe get you to Castaway Cay and back.

[Jennifer48]

I sincerely hope its true! NY, NY would be great for New Englanders! :jumping1:

yes it would be!! :goodvibes

[beachblanket]

The ships that port here from NY are on 7 or 8 night trips most of the time. They call Brumuda, Bahamas and Port Canaveral and sometimes Key West/Miami.

The current year-round sailings from New York are on Norwegian, Holland American and Cunard.

NCL does 6 day and 8 days sailings on the Spirit, 7 and 10 day on the Dawn. Itineraries include much more than what you mentioned (Both the Spirit and Dawn do full Eastern Caribbean sailings on the 8 and 10 day itineraries).

HAL offers a 10 day eastern Caribbean on the Noordam.

Cunard has the QE2 stopping in NYC as part of a worldwide itinerary this winter. Their Queen Mary II is doing trans-Atlantic crossings in the spring, summer and fall.

Seasonal sailings from NY are available on:

Carnival (the Legend to Bermuda in spring and summer)
Princess (the Crown Princess to the Eastern Caribbean in summer and fall)
Crystal (Crystal Symphony to New England in summer and fall)
Norwegian (Crown to Bermuda in spring and summer)

Add that up, gang - that's a total of NINE ships that now offer sailings from NYC. There's obviously massive home-port opportunity there.

Which DCL is completely missing.

[pyramid2000]

Don't forget RCCL EOS! It is year round now from Bayonne.

[my3kids]

Don't forget RCCL EOS! It is year round now from Bayonne.

Mid November to mid May EOS is sailing out of Miami. They alternate in the extended smmer rotating 5 nights to Bermuda and 9 nt. Caribbean, don't they?

[Amlee]

Seabourn Cruise Line ordered two new 450-passenger ultra-luxury ships. The 32,000-ton vessels will be built for $250 million each at a shipyard in Genoa, Italy, for delivery in 2009 and 2010. Each ship will feature 225 suites, 90 percent of which will have private verandas. This new order will more than double Seabourn’s current capacity (634 berths) on its three 208-passenger ships. (The new vessels will be three time larger than Seabourn’s current ships but carry only twice the number of passengers.)

[stampinshauna]

Why would they put a new ship in NY and CA for that matter? I would think they would use the old ones to do land and seas with one new ones being Florida based for easier year yound 7 night trips (and the same with one in CA) New York year round wouldn't be much fun for a week trip. It takes some time to get some place warm.

From rumors the CA ship will also service Alaska. They would need to have more enclosed pools/decks if going to Alaska. It would be easier to build a ship with the capability to have a retractable roof over the pool than to retrofit the current ships.

[Par8hed]

From rumors the CA ship will also service Alaska. They would need to have more enclosed pools/decks if going to Alaska. It would be easier to build a ship with the capability to have a retractable roof over the pool than to retrofit the current ships.


And that same logic would hold true for leaving NY in some cooler temps.
Granted I'm prejudiced on this one, but I think NY would be a clear winner for DCL (and it seems many posters feel the same way).

[ivanova]

Why would they put a new ship in NY and CA for that matter? I would think they would use the old ones to do land and seas with one new ones being Florida based for easier year yound 7 night trips (and the same with one in CA) New York year round wouldn't be much fun for a week trip. It takes some time to get some place warm.
DCL probably wants to expand their itineraries in order to be attractive to past cruisers who are tired of the same ports year in and year out.

Jay Rasulo (tog dog for WDW, which is over DCL) has already said that the third ship, when announced, will be placed in Calif. for Mexico/Alaska cruises. During the Sept - May season when sailing Mexico the itineraries could be tied into DLR for land/sea packages.

As for a fourth ship Rasulo hasn't publicly said where it would be placed, or if it's intended to be built simultaneously with the 3rd ship. I could see a 4th ship as being a "rover" ... being assigned to NYC for part of the year, doing Med cruises for a few months a year, etc. It it isn't Panamex though, it will be limited as to where it can sail (i.e. Calif, Hawaii, etc. will be out of the question).

Of course, that then makes me wonder ... if the 2 new ships are going to be significantly bigger, and are not Panamex ... getting ship #3 to California would be one heck of a repo cruise (around the tip of South America)!!! Sign me up for that baby (although even during the "best" weather, waters around the cape can be quite choppy). :)

[pyramid2000]

Mid November to mid May EOS is sailing out of Miami. They alternate in the extended smmer rotating 5 nights to Bermuda and 9 nt. Caribbean, don't they?

This winter it will be in Miami (Nov - April), but then it will stay in NJ through at least April 2008.

[RRB]

DCL probably wants to expand their itineraries in order to be attractive to past cruisers who are tired of the same ports year in and year out.

Jay Rasulo (tog dog for WDW, which is over DCL) has already said that the third ship, when announced, will be placed in Calif. for Mexico/Alaska cruises. During the Sept - May season when sailing Mexico the itineraries could be tied into DLR for land/sea packages.

As for a fourth ship Rasulo hasn't publicly said where it would be placed, or if it's intended to be built simultaneously with the 3rd ship. I could see a 4th ship as being a "rover" ... being assigned to NYC for part of the year, doing Med cruises for a few months a year, etc. It it isn't Panamex though, it will be limited as to where it can sail (i.e. Calif, Hawaii, etc. will be out of the question).

Of course, that then makes me wonder ... if the 2 new ships are going to be significantly bigger, and are not Panamex ... getting ship #3 to California would be one heck of a repo cruise (around the tip of South America)!!! Sign me up for that baby (although even during the "best" weather, waters around the cape can be quite choppy). :)

a couple of points here. DCL would beneifit Disneyland and themselves by locating the port where they can do Pacific Land and Sea vacations (just like they did in Florida). Both ships are based at the same port in Florida, why couldn't they do the same thing in California? Also, I just looked at the size of the DCL ships and the max dimensions allowed through the Panama Canal - The Wonder/Magic are 12 inches less than the maximum length allowed and equal exactly to the max width allowed (to the inch). I always thought it was a goal for Disney to have ships that could navigate the canal.

[my3kids]

I wasn't questioning NY and CA except to speculate that I didn't think both new ones would go to new markets. I think 1 would go to Orlando to pick up repeat cruisers and those who are currently sailing on the newer style ships with other cruiselines. I think 1 new one would probably go west for the CA and AK trips. I just can't see putting a new ship in NY year round for 7 night trips. Longer ones, sure b ecause you can get to a nice warm beach on a longer cruise. But not a lot of families would take school age kids out for 12 day trips. A week maybe, but more??. I do think one ship would end up in Galveston.

[awoltoday]

Of course, that then makes me wonder ... if the 2 new ships are going to be significantly bigger, and are not Panamex ... getting ship #3 to California would be one heck of a repo cruise (around the tip of South America)!!! Sign me up for that baby (although even during the "best" weather, waters around the cape can be quite choppy). :)

At least until 2014, when the Panama Canal Expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Expansion_Proposal) is due to be completed and Panamax gets redefined.

[RRB]

I do think one ship would end up in Galveston.

That is certainly psssible especially if a Park is going to open there. Is that a fact (about a park in Texas)???

[beachblanket]

Don't forget RCCL EOS! It is year round now from Bayonne.

Caroline, you're correct - I didn't include the sailings from "Port Liberty" - which are also serving the New York area market. Nor did I mention that the business of sailing out of NYC has gotten so large that a huge new second terminal (designed to serve large ships) was just opened up in Brooklyn.

[beachblanket]

I do think one ship would end up in Galveston.

The New York City Tri-State Market is much more lucrative, most of the cruises going out of Galveston are aimed at the budget 3-4 day itinerary crowd. Also, no one has proposed DCL posting a ship in NYC year round; I could see that being a summer thing, perhaps revolving Caribbean and Bermuda itineraries.

[Mmketeer]

Wow, this would be awesome if it were true. I'll have to start saving my pennies to be able to fly now with my cruises. I get off so cheap by being able to drive, hence I get to cruise more than once a year!


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[my3kids]

That is certainly psssible especially if a Park is going to open there. Is that a fact (about a park in Texas)???

Disney tried in the early to mid 1990's, about 1994 to build the park in northern Virginia. People there protested because it was near battlefields and Disney backed off and said they would build it in the Houston area. Friends in Houston said land was being purchased but to my knowlege they have not broken ground. GGalveston is a good port. Carnival and Royal Caribbean sail 7 night trips from there. For middle america it is closer to get there than either coast and the proximity allows for easy port access in the Caribbean.

[bob1459]

Having DCL out of NY would be awesome..Won't have to fly. Spend more on the ship!! I know when I got my survey post card it asked about Alaska and Bermuda. Most ships that go to Bermuda go out of NY or NJ so that would be a great one.


Can't wait to see if it is for real. Disney rumors are great though. Keeps everyone excited.:smickey:

[Par8hed]

Disney tried in the early to mid 1990's, about 1994 to build the park in northern Virginia. People there protested because it was near battlefields and Disney backed off and said they would build it in the Houston area. Friends in Houston said land was being purchased but to my knowlege they have not broken ground. GGalveston is a good port. Carnival and Royal Caribbean sail 7 night trips from there. For middle america it is closer to get there than either coast and the proximity allows for easy port access in the Caribbean.

But Carnival and RCI have fleets. Disney, even if they add two ships, is a small player. I have nothing against Galveston but surely the NY metro/New England area is a bigger market. A sure thing if you will. From a financial standpoint, DCL out of New York couldn't miss for the Disney INC umbrella. Now if the proposed park were already there??????

But I guarantee you if someome here were to start a poll on Galveston vs. NY the results would be one-sided.

[Babyjustrun]

I'm all for one or more NY ships, depending on the itinerary.
It would be great to visit Saint John and see them in port for one of their port of calls :goodvibes

[daipp]

I hope it's true !
I hope it's true !
I hope it's true !

:bitelip:

David

[my3kids]

But Carnival and RCI have fleets. Disney, even if they add two ships, is a small player. I have nothing against Galveston but surely the NY metro/New England area is a bigger market. A sure thing if you will. From a financial standpoint, DCL out of New York couldn't miss for the Disney INC umbrella. Now if the proposed park were already there??????

But I guarantee you if someome here were to start a poll on Galveston vs. NY the results would be one-sided.

But, if Disney has a theme park right there, wouldn't Galveston make sense? Of course if there isn't a theme park tie-in then Galveston would be a bust. With a major Disney Park there, then it makes for a profitable location.

[Par8hed]

But, if Disney has a theme park right there, wouldn't Galveston make sense? Of course if there isn't a theme park tie-in then Galveston would be a bust. With a major Disney Park there, then it makes for a profitable location.



OK my3kids.....give it up! Your profile doesn't show where you live but I have a strong suspicion it's either in Texas or on the gulf coast nearby???

If we're talking about a 2010 ship... then this MAJOR theme park that isn't there better break ground soon.

If the park were there would it be profitable. I think so.

But I'd still rather take my risks with the NY market.

[Amlee]

I just don't see Disney doing 2 ships AND a new park at the same time.

[LOVETHATMOUSE]

NY would be awesome - defintely ALOT more cruises in our future if it is so. :banana: :cheer2:

[my3kids]

OK my3kids.....give it up! Your profile doesn't show where you live but I have a strong suspicion it's either in Texas or on the gulf coast nearby???

If we're talking about a 2010 ship... then this MAJOR theme park that isn't there better break ground soon.

If the park were there would it be profitable. I think so.

But I'd still rather take my risks with the NY market.

No, actually where we hoped it would go in Virginia. We're not so big on battlefields. In any case, I, nor you, have ANY bearing on where a future ship might be placed. If you think you do, you clearly have delusions of grandeur, however unwarranted. If you do a little research you'll learn about the American History park, whether it is progressing or stopped it its tracks somewhere after the plan left Virginia, I have no idea, and I really don't care. The plan for the park was well more documented than these alleged ships, which I thought everyone was merely speculating on.

If I was from Galveston and thought some comments placed on a bulletin board might actually influence Disney to place a ship in one location over another, then I, like you, would be seriously over estimating my importance.

[my3kids]

Parrothead: Some articles that discussed the failed attemp by Disney to locate a theme park in Virginia:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,980871,00.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_n12_v26/ai_15991300

The last we heard in Virginia was they were moving the project to the Houston area. No idea what has transpired since then. Sounds like parrothead must know the facts though, so I'm sure he'll set us straight on the path Disney is taking with the America park.

["Got Disney"]

I live here in SanDiego and would make sence to have ship out this way. We have Disneyland...ship was out here for the summer of 2005 doing a run of the Mexican Riveara ,after the trip through the Panama canal...that I was on. Not only could they have Alaska and the Mexican Rivera there is also Hawaii. :thumbsup2
But I will only believe it when I see it. It is funny how we all want it soooo bad you would figure that there is a market for it so they would do it. Well either way if they do it this end I'll be there!!! Till than I will continue to fly to Fla. :teeth:

[Soccermom-Cheri]

... It is funny how we all want it soooo bad you would figure that there is a market for it so they would do it. Well either way if they do it this end I'll be there!!! Till than I will continue to fly to Fla. :teeth:
Well said. (and DCL would be nuts not to send a ship out here :teeth: )

[Par8hed]

In any case, I, nor you, have ANY bearing on where a future ship might be placed. If you think you do, you clearly have delusions of grandeur, however unwarranted. If you do a little research you'll learn about the American History park, whether it is progressing or stopped it its tracks somewhere after the plan left Virginia, I have no idea, and I really don't care. The plan for the park was well more documented than these alleged ships, which I thought everyone was merely speculating on.

If I was from Galveston and thought some comments placed on a bulletin board might actually influence Disney to place a ship in one location over another, then I, like you, would be seriously over estimating my importance.

Was this really necessary? Did I say anything offensive to you? When and where exactly did I intimate in any way that I had any bearing/influence on anything? What statement of mine led you to believe that my or anyone elses post would influence Disney? I stated my opinion that New York would be a more lucrative and safer expansion market than Galveston. Somehow, from that statement you derived that I had "delusions of grandeur"?
I feel your post was out of line.
By the way, I am quite familiar with the proposed park in Virginia and certain that "over estimating" is actually one word.

["Got Disney"]

Was this really necessary? Did I say anything offensive to you? When and where exactly did I intimate in any way that I had any bearing/influence on anything? What statement of mine led you to believe that my or anyone elses post would influence Disney? I stated my opinion that New York would be a more lucrative and safer expansion market than Galveston. Somehow, from that statement you derived that I had "delusions of grandeur"?
I feel your post was out of line.
By the way, I am quite familiar with the proposed park in Virginia and certain that "over estimating" is actually one word.
Sorry but I don't feel that that was necessary either...and in my opinion Par8hed your posts were just fine and did not offend me...I was more offended by my 3kids and the attitude that came with it..Sorry and hope this does not offend anyone! have a great day! :banana:

[Buddy Bear]

The ships that port here from NY are on 7 or 8 night trips most of the time. They call Brumuda, Bahamas and Port Canaveral and sometimes Key West/Miami. We get one from NY every week sometimes more. I guess anything is possible, but we want the new ship here...=o)

Yes that is true and the thought of a NY based cruise is not appealing at all. I have no interest in sailing the Atlantic to get to the Caribbean. Flying to Port Canaveral or Miami, if necessary, is much better since we are much closer to the destination ports and can make it to the Southern Caribbean; from NY that isn't a possiblity on a 7 or 8 day cruise.

As stated in your post some cruise lines that sail from NY have PC on their itinerary. I think PC makes a great place to start a cruise, but I certainly wouldn't consider it a "port of call" like those often visited in the Caribbean.

Sailing in the winter months based out of Florida or California would be tolerable, but snow on the deck of a cruise ship in February would be no fun. In general the Atlantic Ocean has rougher seas than the Caribbean. I live 45 minutes from NY and would never consider sailing from any that may be available today or in the future.

[captaincrash]

Sorry but I don't feel that that was necessary either...and in my opinion Par8hed your posts were just fine and did not offend me...I was more offended by my 3kids and the attitude that came with it..Sorry and hope this does not offend anyone! have a great day! :banana:

Agreed....

... GotDisney, you're not doin' anything a 100 other DIS folk must be thinkin'.

At any rate... all that matters is NOT where any one or two ships gets parked... or where any new park is built. Conversationhere is just cordail banter among (mostly) friendly sorts. And I enjoy the banter and friendly thoughts.

My compliments to all who perpetuate a friendly spirit that is free of the infantile edge. This is a public forum and most anyone is welcome to post their thoughts... and as such - that is the price of freedom. As is my affirmation on GotDisneys' defense of Par8hed.

Cheers to all - including those in need of a little more "good cheers"!
:wizard:

[Mishetta]

I think we need to shake hands & make up here, but truthfully I was a little put out by Par8hed's "give it up" remark & I think that's why My3kids was defensive, but with all due respect, I think you're both wrong & Disney will set up shop in Detroit!! Hahahahahaha!! I'm all for that!! :banana:

[gydell]

I vote Atlanta!

[beachblanket]

the thought of a NY based cruise is not appealing at all.

The 246,000 passengers who sailed on cruises out of NYC last year disagree with you. And their money talks.

[mmouse37]

We took a Carnival cruise out of NYC last year and it was fantastic not to have to fly to our starting point. We are 30 minutes north of the New York Passenger Ship Terminal and it was awesome to just pull up to the port, get out and wait to board.....the whole hassle of flying was gone....

The cruise was 8 days on the Legend......2.5 days at sea to get to San Juan, the next day was St. Thomas and the next was Tortola...then 2.5 days to get back....the sea days were as great as the ports (I like sea days...others may not). Let me tell you that nothing beats the thrill you get as you pass the Statue of Liberty and then see the NY skyline fade away as you sail down the Hudson River...passing under the Verazzano Narrows bridge is also and awesome site!!!

Granted...not sure if I would like to do that in the winter months for reasons others have posted...but for the summer months it would be ideal to have DCL here in NYC

[Mom323]

How about Bawlimore, hon. ;) We have a new cruise terminal. :thumbsup2

[DindelsPA]

I just disembarked from the Magic's DD on Saturday and had the opportunity to talk to many crew members, all of which did state that some high ups from DCL were onboard the Magic the week prior (due to all of the rumors :rolleyes1 ) and did state that plans for 2 new ships would be announced shortly. Several did expand their personal experiences with the meetings, indicating that the new ships would rival RC FOS with the "Disney Touch". :wizard: And no, they would not venture to suggest where they would be placed. :guilty:

Jocelyn, the future cruise sales manager, also said that they themselves are patiently awaiting the 2008 release dates, for the full year, but she didn't expect that to happen for at least a month. :furious:

[DanelleVT]

I did wonder when I received the additional feedback card to do online, there were a lot of questions about Alaska and Mexico, don't remember as much about Bermuda and certainly nothing about a NYC departure base, that would have affected my response as I would be much more likely to cruise if there was a NYC terminal. My brother cruises several times a year, 90% of the time out of NYC. It is a huge market, there is no doubt about that. I remember the first cruise I was ever on, for my 9th birthday (a long long time ago) left out of NY at the end of January, I was young granted but I do not remember it staying cold for very long, we sailed to the Eastern Caribbean. Anyway, I would be excited about NY :cool1: On my response I also said I would be highly likely to do an Alaska cruise as well.

[JLSE50]

My guess would actually be Galveston. Disney is putting a new park of an American History variety in the Houston area. A 3 day park, 4 day cruise could maybe get you to Castaway Cay and back.
A new PARK????
Where can I learn about this?
Jan :earsgirl:

[Buddy Bear]

The 246,000 passengers who sailed on cruises out of NYC last year disagree with you. And their money talks.

Sorry I can't quantify how many people choose not to sail out of NY since the amount of people who didn't sail from a NY port wasn't counted. ;)

Perhaps there are just a lot of people in the tri-state area that don't like to fly.

Besides, the fact still remains that no "fun in the sun" island is close to NY outside of Bermuda and as I stated before the seas are rougher in the Atlantic than in the Caribbean (most of the time - yeah just waiting for someone to jump in with an exception).

The Caribbean islands that can be visited in a 7 day cruise are severely limited when sailing out of NY, so I wouldn't waste my money.

[rtphokie]

Just checking is NY New York?
:goodvibes

When it comes to new DCL ships, NY stands for either "not yet" or "next year"

[ivanova]

When it comes to new DCL ships, NY stands for either "not yet" or "next year"
Bingo!! ;)

[smoof]

It would be awesome if they went out of NY. I have such memories as a child wishing family bon voyage on NY based cruises.

[Az Pirates]

I just disembarked from the Magic's DD on Saturday and had the opportunity to talk to many crew members, all of which did state that some high ups from DCL were onboard the Magic the week prior (due to all of the rumors :rolleyes1 ) and did state that plans for 2 new ships would be announced shortly. Several did expand their personal experiences with the meetings, indicating that the new ships would rival RC FOS with the "Disney Touch". :wizard: And no, they would not venture to suggest where they would be placed. :guilty:


Just got off the DD as well.
We also heard the 2 new ships rumor from more than one crew member.

One CM we chatted with said he has already put in a request to be on the new ship that will sail out of CA.
Guess he plans on being with DCL long term. ;)

He also said that one of the current ships will stay in PC and do mini-double dips. 2 stops at Castaway Cay with 2 sea days, no other ports.
No idea how reliable that info is... just a bit more fodder for the rumor mill. :teeth:

[Verandah Man]

He also said that one of the current ships will stay in PC and do mini-double dips. 2 stops at Castaway Cay with 2 sea days, no other ports.


That's one rumor that interests me!!! :goodvibes :goodvibes :goodvibes

[captaincrash]

I think we need to shake hands & make up here, but truthfully I was a little put out by Par8hed's "give it up" remark & I think that's why My3kids was defensive, but with all due respect, I think you're both wrong & Disney will set up shop in Detroit!! Hahahahahaha!! I'm all for that!! :banana:
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I vote Atlanta!
__________________________________________________ ______The 246,000 passengers who sailed on cruises out of NYC last year disagree with you. And their money talks.

Well -

- at this rate DCL is gonna have to abandon FLorida and PC cuz we're getting one of their ships out here in California! Now THERE... everyone can be happy now and we can even rotate the ships up and down from Detroit, Atlanta, NY and Calif.! Who really needs to walk the PC cruise terminal throught the giant Mickey Ears again??? OK... maybe we're still ok about visiting PC a few more times before the decade turns over?, eh?? :confused3

[CarolG]

I vote Atlanta!

I'm not sure the ships could make it down the Chattahoochee to the Gulf, though! pirate:

[logan1_2000]

I vote Atlanta!

sure, who cares that we're pretty far inland and that the chattahoochee is not navigable, no problem, LOL!!

But oh, wouldn't it be nice if the drive to Port Canaveral was maybe 3-4 hours instead of 7-8...

[captaincrash]

I'm not sure the ships could make it down the Chattahoochee to the Gulf, though! pirate:

OK...

So... maybe it won't actually be the actual ship... it might have to be a flotilla of Disney life boats then? Or Maybe they will NOT be building a 100,000 ton ship - rather it will be a stern wheel driven flat bottom ship? :confused3

[OKW Lover]

An officer on board said this Dec DCL will announce two new ships for 2010. Both with 14 decks and will hold 3500 people. Hope he knew what he was talking about, and he did say it with confidence.

That would be nice. But I'll believe it when Disney announces it.

I was on a DCL cruise in early September 2001 and the Captain made a similar comment. Still waiting for those ships.

[GrimGhost]

I just noticed something and its great!! Not one single post from the usual cynical/negative/pessimistic/glass-is-half-empty/disney-sucks posters that one typically finds on this board!! Here's to the future and I really do hope they build these ships!!

[Zitofamily]

We just got off the Magic's 10/14 cruise and during the Castaway Club meeting, I talked a bit to Cruise Director Julie...I mean Rachel about rumors of a new ship being announced soon. I mentioned that I had read this rumor many times over the last several months on the Disboards and she said she's very familiar with this forum (Hi Rachel - we miss the Magic...and you!).

Rachel said no announcement is coming anytime soon and that DCL just recently formed an investigation team to look into the feasibility (I'm sure profitability) of adding an additional ship(s) to the fleet. She said there are no designs for a new ship and the investigation team was just recently formed. So she said they are excite that the investigation team has been formed but they are a long way off from a decision on adding to the fleet.

Not trying to throw a wet blanket on anyone's hopes...just telling you I was told by a senior officer aboard the Magic just a week ago.

For what its worth....

[dbm20th]

They are much further along then the officer told you, Zito. In fact, when these were first considered, contractors were being sought out for the project. Right now, they just need to be convinced the additional capital is going to be a profitable as the first two when taking all the financial landscape into consideration.

From what I understand, there are 2 ship scheduled for Cailfornia, although "scheduled" may be a strong word.

And please, can we stop the "Disney bought land in Texas or where-have-you" rumors? They are not building a History Park in Houston. That was an Eisner fettish.

[Sarangel]

Robert Iger has publicly stated that at least one new ship has been designed and they were just waiting for the Euro to drop before contracting with a shipyard. I don't know how true it is, but he *is* the CEO, and should have some idea.

As for the rumor mill - I think the wait and see stance is safest. We've been hearing rumors of a "new ship" since at least 2000 (when I took my first cruise). Also, the "Disney's building a park in Texas" rumor has been around for at least the same amount of time.

[dbm20th]

Also, the "Disney's building a park in Texas" rumor has been around for at least the same amount of time.

Probably longer. That was has been making me scratch my head for a long time. Why would they build a park there? It doesn't make any sense to me.

[MJMcBride]

Also, the "Disney's building a park in Texas" rumor has been around for at least the same amount of time.

The difference of course being the new ship rumor makes sense. The cruise line I believe is doing fairly well and adding new ships could increase profits, add ports of call, etc. A Texas theme park is not nearly the "sure thing" as a new ship would be.

[tjkraz]

Probably longer. That was has been making me scratch my head for a long time. Why would they build a park there? It doesn't make any sense to me.

I can think of two reasons:

1. Accessibility. Putting a park in the mid-US would attract a lot of people who could drive to the park much cheaper (and more frequently) than flying.

2. Weather. With a southern US destination (as opposed to somewhere like St. Louis) you have a more appealing climate 365/yr.

[plutospup]

Designs for a new ship were on the drawing board as of early 2004, per DCL. Of course the "Euro exchange rate" was the excuse at that time for the ship not being built.

[ivanova]

She said there are no designs for a new ship and the investigation team was just recently formed. So she said they are excite that the investigation team has been formed but they are a long way off from a decision on adding to the fleet.
It cracks me up that she'd say there were no designs ... when last year Tom McAlpin said on the eastbound repo cruise (where Rachel was the CD) that there WERE designs finished, but the Euro was holding back DCL from committing to a build. :)

And higher-ups above Tom have since made the same comment (Jay Rasulo and Bob Iger specifically).

[dbm20th]

I can think of two reasons:

1. Accessibility. Putting a park in the mid-US would attract a lot of people who could drive to the park much cheaper (and more frequently) than flying.

2. Weather. With a southern US destination (as opposed to somewhere like St. Louis) you have a more appealing climate 365/yr.

1. That's not really an issue anymore. People don't need to drive to attend a Disney Park. Just look at how few people who attend WDW drive there. Also, spreading out the Disney fan base when you already have hotels to book and parks to fill makes no sense at all. I hate to burst your bubble here, but a park in Texas makes no sense right now. They don't want people to drive, they want people to fly and stay for a week.

2. Certainly the weather isn't anymore suited for a theme park then Central Florida or Southern California.

[dbm20th]

It cracks me up that she'd say there were no designs ... when last year Tom McAlpin said on the eastbound repo cruise (where Rachel was the CD) that there WERE designs finished, but the Euro was holding back DCL from committing to a build. :)

And higher-ups above Tom have since made the same comment (Jay Rasulo and Bob Iger specifically).

There were designs made before 2004. And as I said before, contractors were contacted about the project. I agree, that comment was pretty stupid

[raidermatt]

I just noticed something and its great!! Not one single post from the usual cynical/negative/pessimistic/glass-is-half-empty/disney-sucks posters that one typically finds on this board!! Here's to the future and I really do hope they build these ships!!


And with intelligent, thought-provoking comments like this, its hard to imagine why anyone would stay away.

[MJMcBride]

And with intelligent, thought-provoking comments like this, its hard to imagine why anyone would stay away.

You couldn't help yourself could you Mr. Glass-is-half-empty.

[tjkraz]

1. That's not really an issue anymore. People don't need to drive to attend a Disney Park. Just look at how few people who attend WDW drive there.

All I can do is speak from my own perspective. I live 1100 miles away from WDW and average 1-2 trips per year. If Disney were to build a park within 2-3 hours driving distance of my home, my visit frequency would double or triple.

Also, spreading out the Disney fan base when you already have hotels to book and parks to fill makes no sense at all. I hate to burst your bubble here, but a park in Texas makes no sense right now. They don't want people to drive, they want people to fly and stay for a week.

You're not bursting my bubble. I never claimed they were going to build the park. You said "why would they build a park there? It doesn't make any sense to me." I think the reasons I gave are valid justification for at least investigating the possibility. But no, it doesn't fit their current business model.

2. Certainly the weather isn't anymore suited for a theme park then Central Florida or Southern California.

Never said that. I was simply pointing out that it's a warm weather destination that would have more year-round appeal as site for a 3rd US development than a northern site like St. Louis.

[MJMcBride]

You're not bursting my bubble. I never claimed they were going to build the park. You said "why would they build a park there? It doesn't make any sense to me." I think the reasons I gave are valid justification for at least investigating the possibility. But no, it doesn't fit their current business model.



Never said that. I was simply pointing out that it's a warm weather destination that would have more year-round appeal as site for a 3rd US development than a northern site like St. Louis.

You're forgetting one thing: Who would willingly go to Texas? :rolleyes1

[raidermatt]

You couldn't help yourself could you Mr. Glass-is-half-empty.


Eh. At this point I don't have a real strong opinion either way on the ships themselves.

When it comes to comments like those posted by Mr. Ghost, I do have stronger opinions. Hence my response. When one feels threatened by opinions that challenge one's beliefs, the unfortunate response by some is to slap a label on the messenger and willfully mis-categorize those opinions. That's unfortunate, and it certainly has more to do with the deterioration of some discussions than the different viewpoints "typically found on these boards".

[dbm20th]

You're forgetting one thing: Who would willingly go to Texas? :rolleyes1

tjkraz, I just want to point out that he said it, not me :thumbsup2

And, it seems we are pretty close here. It does not fit the business model. Yes you may come more often, but is that what they want? Can a single park in Texas bring the kind of out-of-state traffic that 4 parks in Orlando can? Consdiering how they've priced their tickets, it would seem the single-day visitors are not the goal.

[GrimGhost]

And with intelligent, thought-provoking comments like this, its hard to imagine why anyone would stay away.


Here it is - my point exactly!

[raidermatt]

Actually, no.

I argued nothing with regard to the ships, or even the speculation about another park.

You did prove a point, its just not yours.

[Sarangel]

This has passed the point of useful discussion. I'm closing the thread.

Sarangel