Are people still anxious to buy BCV ???

[KNWVIKING]

When DW and I first learned of BCV we said to ourselves "SOLD". But the more we're hearing about its location & price the more 2nd thoughts we're having. We love the easy access to Epcot and MGM that resort area offers but think maybe a resale at BWV would be money better spent. We own at OKW and VWL and are approaching a monthly dues amount that I've decided is the ceiling. We figure a 75 pt add at BWV or BCV would put us at that limit so basically we feel this will be our last add. We head "home" in 6 days and plan on visiting the BCV site to get a first hand view which I think will help us decide.

This might seem a bit "snobbish", but I like the idea of OKW and BWV being built for DVC. I liked the idea of the Eagle Pines resort being built for DVC. VWL and BCV are add ons at existing resorts kinda cast off to the side, not getting the prime areas. I know why we bought at VWL and this trip will be our first time staying there, I just hope I don't feel like a 2nd class guest at the Lodge.

[DebbieB]

I'm not in a position to buy more points, but if I was considering it one thing I would look it is the points chart for BCV when it comes out. If it's the same as BWV preferred view or higher, I would go with BWV if you can get a good resale. The way it looks to me, the views from BCV are no better than Boardwalk standard (unless there are some upper floor rooms that you can see into Epcot from), so why pay the higher points? The rooms are going to be basically the same. BCV will be a little closer to Epcot, but BWV is a little closer to MGM. It will be interesting to see how the dues compare too.

[kem330]

IMHO BCV will be in demand for several reasons:

#1 Stormalong Bay!!! ( Pool hopping is becoming more restricted)

#2 Some People are uncomfortable/unfamiliar with resales at BWV so they will chose it for location

#3 It may be the only DVC available from Disney in the next year or so when VWL, VB and HH sell out until Eagle Pines opens in 2004.

I agree with you, BCV does look like an after thought, on the other hand, I think VWL blends in very nicely to WL. We will be looking at them over NY's as well- I just think we will not like Luna Park nearly as well as SAB and will just have to add on there.

[CaptainMidnight]

Good point about WLV, the second lobby is a great addition to the resort. Does it feel like second class, or first class at WL in the villas section, my guess is might be more towards the latter.

A couple of other considerations are:

Nice lobby areas at BC, there seems to be more indoor space which is nice when it rains.

Theming is great.

Beach and sand areas are nice.

It's newer. The configuration of the rooms may be a touch better with a camode closet (?).

Are there more amenities with a beauty shop, Beaches and Cream, Marina area with small boats and other items?
Its a repeat, but SAB is certainly a big selling point.

Just some thoughts. Good discussion item. The big drawback seems to be the views, I wonder how they will look when the place is landscaped and finished.

[Terry S]

I was very anxious to purchase points at BCV until I saw it. I was there in October and my initial reaction was disappointment. Especially after staying in a room at BC with a breathtaking view of the lake. I started to think maybe I should buy a resale at BWV instead, then I would still be able to get a room with a view. After thinking about it for some time though, I have since calmed down a bit. I learned that only about 20% of BWV have a lake view. I love the Beach at BC. SAB is another plus. Also, I am really thinking that this IS DVC and I am ASSUMING they will do something really good with the landscaping around the BCV, at least I hope so. To sum it up, I am not as anxious as I once was when I intially pictured myself in a 1 bdrm villa at BCV overlooking the lake (not an option). But, I still do plan on purchasing there, I just don't have the "I am willing to pay $85 pp with no incentive" attitude anymore.

[KNWVIKING]

..we've explored the Y&BC resorts in the past and think they are great. It just seems the BCV will be a very long way from the action. A previous post mentioned the points chart-this will be a very important deciding factor. We added on at VWL with just enough points to get us 10 days between Thanksgiving & Christmas every other year because of the decorations. We would do something similar with BCV for either a May or October trip every other year and use OKW for the gap years. If the required points are too high,then I'll probably have to pass. However, if DVC had the original parts of BC then it would be a no brainer-where do I sign. But to invest that much money and always have second thoughts about the location......

A lot will depend on our up coming trip. Somethings you just have to see for yourself to get the proper perspective and scale.

[Johnnie Fedora]

resale at the BWV. Even after getting a good look at the BCV construction site in Oct., I much prefer the view and ammenities at the BCV. BWV is overrated in my book. I just don't see where the view is any better at the BWV, especially on the backside. It overlooks that not-so-scenic canal. IMHO that view is equal to the future road view at BCV. Plus... it's been said already......there is no better pool than SAB. I spend as much time as I can at SAB when I'm there. A pool like SAB is something that will never be duplicated at another WDW resort. I am still very excited about the BCV. I just hope there is a presale incentive that keeps the point price down.

:bounce: :bounce:

[CaptainMidnight]

Somethings you just have to see for yourself to get the proper perspective and scale.

That's a great point. I will say, however, that there is no better audience and discussion group I know of to turn to that could help me make up my mind than the wonderful contributors here at DIS, and especially this forum.

I'm finding this discussion very helpful, all input is greatly appreciated.

[nezy]

I THINK THE BEST ARGUMENT FOR PURCHASING @BCV IS THE SEEMINGLY INCREASED RESTRICTIONS OF THE POOL-HOPPING OPTION. THIS WAS A MAJOR DECIDING FACTOR FOR ME IN PURCHASING W/ THE DVC. I LOVE THIS OPTION. OF COURSE THE POINTS PER NIGHT IS USUALLY AN ISSUE W/EM WHEN I
(OOPS! CAPS LOCK)
DO MAKE THAT RESERVATION.

I too must be snobbish, but I also like the exclusivity and home feeling of the primarily DVC resorts. Maybe there is some sort of pride in feeling you are a part of the place and not just stopping by as a this year's vacation pick! I think it loses something with the hotel connection. There seems to be more freedom at the pools w/o the lifeguards that are required at the hotel resort pools such as sab, etc.

[Granny]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING

This might seem a bit "snobbish", but I like the idea of OKW and BWV being built for DVC. I liked the idea of the Eagle Pines resort being built for DVC. VWL and BCV are add ons at existing resorts kinda cast off to the side, not getting the prime areas. I know why we bought at VWL and this trip will be our first time staying there, I just hope I don't feel like a 2nd class guest at the Lodge.

I think you will feel like you are the most elite of the guests at WL. You have access to all the amenities, and when you are finished at the pool, or one of the restaurants, you can get up and retire to your exclusive villa down the path! If you like, you can even announce to your group in a somewhat loud voice that you really love the large accommodations and kitchen area in your "home". ;)

[PamOKW]

If you like, you can even announce to your group in a somewhat loud voice that you really love the large accommodations and kitchen area in your "home".


LOL! Caste system at the WL!

Granny, I just noticed the line you put under your Avatar. I figured it out awhile back but was surprised you weren't Grandma. Now, you give us a fighting chance!

[KNWVIKING]

.. while I think SAB is a great pool, for me personally it would be way down on my list of deciding factors. I also have never pool hopped,don't know if I ever will. It's a neat member perk and I'd hate to see it go away because it seems to be very important to others, just not me. What we'll probably end up doing is once they start accepting ressies,we'll book at the 7 month window -shouldn't have an availibilty problem- and see for ourselves. Probably the biggest selling factor it has right now for me is the overall location. The walk into Epcot is a great time saver and Epcot is our favorite park.

[Granny]

Originally posted by PamOKW



LOL! Caste system at the WL!

Granny, I just noticed the line you put under your Avatar. I figured it out awhile back but was surprised you weren't Grandma. Now, you give us a fighting chance!

Pam....I'll probably regret this, but a "fighting chance" for what?:confused:

[PamOKW]

...a fighting chance to know that Granny IS a Guy. Now, you have it posted where we can see it. I'm not in the habit of checking profiles and assumed for the longest time that you were a woman. ;)

[Dean]

We went through the same emotions when WL was announced for DVC. We had basially assume we'd do an add on there because we love WL. When we saw the cost increases, points per night and then the resort itself, we were not impressed and decided it wasn't for us. The main compelling reason for BC is that pool hopping may go away. I think the points per night will be higher than WL and BWV preferred and if so, that actually hurts BW in the long run.

[CaptainMidnight]

I might be looking at it wrong, but it seems to me that the point per night for preferred view at BWV and at WLV are very close. Am I missing something?

[CaptainMidnight]

Dean,
Hurts BW or BC in the long run? Why?

[DebbieB]

Yes, WLV and BWV Preferred are exactly the same. I was surprised at that when they came out, I expected WLV to be somewhere between OKW & BWV since there are no water views & no park within walking distance. I did preferred view at BWV last year, it was 155 points for 6 nights (Sat to Fri, 1 BR, first week of Dec), vs this year I am doing standard view it's 121 points. 28% less points. OKW would be 120 points, almost the same as BWV standard.

[Dean]

Originally posted by CaptainMidnight
Dean,
Hurts BW or BC in the long run? Why? I think that if the points for BC are higher, it will hurt BW because it will put more preasure on the reservations availability. I think that hurts BW in the long run. I think we've already seen this to a certain degree with WLV. True the points between BW preferred and WLV (all) is the same making WL actually higher per room. Since I feel WL is a resort with less value for the majority of visitors, that makes it less value at the same points costs. I love WL but being realistic, BW is a more upscale hotel and likely worth more money and since the rental prices are higher through CRO, it seems Disney agrees with me.

I think BCV appeal will be the SAB and the fact it's available through DVC. I'm sure it will be nice but BWV is a better location (and value if the points are higher) than BCV will be. It will be nice being part of the YC but all of the views will be essentially standard view rooms it appears.

[sheets]

Please update me on all acronyms like BC, BW, BCV, BWV, etc.

TY

[Granny]

Originally posted by sheets
Please update me on all acronyms like BC, BW, BCV, BWV, etc.

TY
Ty....here's a link to a list of abbreviations from this web site.

http://www.wdwinfo.com/abbreviations.htm

I don't think BCV is in there....Beach Club Villas opening 2002.

HH, VB, OKW, BWV and VWL are all DVC homes (soon to add BCV).

[golfing mickey]

we stayed at the bc aug of 2000. the pool SAB was so crowed
we could not move. what is going to happen when they add
all the bcv rooms? JMHO.

tom from little rody.

[Dumbo]

Dean,

I think it will be the location that will be the main selling point of Beach Club Villas. Not Storm Along Bay, not the views, but location, location, location.

Probably 90% of the sells at BCV will come from new members who are presently not DVC members. They will buy primarily because of location. Also the fact that it may be the only DVC resort on the property being sold.

Personaly I think that no more than 10% of sells will come from current DVC members adding on. Increased point costs and probably higher points per villa should keep that figure within 10%.

Also please keep in mind that 10% is a large percentange compared to WLV as Beach Club Villas will have more than twice as many rooms as the Villas at Wonderless Lodge.

Dumbo

[Dean]

I'm not sure I totally agree but we'll see. I think I was mostly comparing it to BW and therefore location in regards to the park is that same. I guess I'm just looking at BC as an afterthough in regards to the overall resort, and without much view. With no bay view, higher overall points for (essentially a standard view in BW terms), higher costs per point and likely as high or higher yearly fees; I don't think it'll measure up to BW overall. The big draw will be SAB especially if they stop pool hoping there as I expect they will and as you alluded to, the fact that it'll be the resort DVC is then selling and most people will buy. I'm sure BW will be even more popular resale by then.

[sgtpet]

It seems the general opinion on this board is the greatest DVC is BWV. But looking at current resales, it seems that BWV is not priced that much higher than OKW or what you can get with MB for VWL from Disney.

You would think that BWV could sell for $90 per point.

[Dumbo]

Sgtpet,

I think the best way to gage how popular any DVC resort is is to see which one is the hardest to get a reservation for. Which one takes the most reservations at the 7 month window when all DVC members can reserve.

This reminds me of an old Yogi Berra story. Years ago Tommy Lasorda and the Dodgers were in New York to play the Mets. Tommy asked Yogi if they were gonna go to that same Italian restaurant they always went to after a game. Yogi replied "No". Tommy asked why? Yogi said "nobody goes there any more" Tommy asked how come. Yogi replied "because it's always too crowded" !!!

Dumbo

[KNWVIKING]

When DVC added VWL, basically they made out very well. As a DVC resort being added onto an existing resort,they greatly reduced construction cost. Now they are doing the same thing with BCV. They recently announced Eagle Pines project is on hold, but I wonder if BCV sells well, whats next, tack a wing onto Poly ? With monorail access,that should be worth $100.00 per pt, (sarcasim). When members purchased at the first four resorts, their $$ per point was buying an entire resort,built from the ground up,just for them. Now we're being asked to pay premium $$ for just a building with a pool. I think in the future we're going to see WDW build their resorts on the prime locations where they can demand $250.00+ per night to cash customers and areas like Eagle Pines for DVC.

[CaptainMidnight]

I'm concerned to hear how crowded the SAB pool can get.

I do like the theming and beach area, as well as the restaraunt choices. A great point is made about how an addition on to a current resort is not as expensive a venture as a free standing resort. I'm guessing the same check in area will be used for Beach Club Villas as the resort.

Maybe elliminating pool hopping to the SAB only will be required to keep the pool available to guests of YC, BC and BCV.

[Stinson]

I'd love to see DVC add-on accomodations at the Poly or the GF. In any event, I'm looking forward to the BCV. Great location, but quiet. Quiet doesn't bother me and I don't come to the resorts for the views. My kids don't let me stay in the room long enough to enjoy the views. Maybe when I'm older. We have OKW and BWV and love both for the special qualities each possesses. I'm sure BCV will have special qualities that will draw many of us to it.

[CaptainMidnight]

Wow, a Grand Floridian DVC resort. That would be something. The Grand Floridian is where my wife and I spent our honeymoon. I know, it would have a high point value, but wouldn't it be nice.

[Terry S]

I have to agree even I would split my points up between BCV and Grand Floridian if they added a DVC there!

[CaptainMidnight]

Anyone have new pictures? I'm hearing the exteriors are finished.

An arial photo would be great. A while ago I remember checking a site that had satillite (sp?) photos of cities and I was able to see the Boardwalk resort from a space view. Pretty amazing. i guess it is dependant on the frequency of passes and whether it has gone over your area. Somehow I misplaced that website. Be great to get a good arial shot of how the villas were laid out and thier relationship to the BC resort. I wonder if it is an outside walkway connecting the to like WLV or an internal corridor connection.

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[CaptainMidnight]

Thanks to fellow DVC member GROTTO for the great BCV pictures at:


http://photos.yahoo.com/grohowsk


The only concern is that an additional pool is not pictured. Hope that becomes a reality.

[KNWVIKING]

...walked all around BCV. It is not physically attached to BC but very close. They both share the same valet area but appears each has it's own specific valet drop and pick-up spot. Seems much better then the way VWL does theirs.The BCV buildings are very close to Epcot. Some rooms will have great fireworks views,but I'm certain these will be premium point rooms. It appears it will be a quit resort,but far from the action. I do know that I wouldn't want to be a BC guest on the ground floor closest to Epcot.The sidewalk BCV guest will most likely use to get to and return from Epcot will be right outside their rooms,forget sitting out on your patio. The walk to MGM will be considerably longer then staying at BWV. I think they are going to put a quit pool on the parking lot side of the resort. Overall I think I'm impressed enough to purchase 70-80 pts but only if that will get me 10 nights in early May every-other year and if the price is under 80 pp. As for add-ons at Poly and GF: look how far some of the lodges at Poly are away from the common areas now. Will they try and squeeze it in between the TC and the last lodge ? And look at GF,they are basically max'ed out unless you bridge the one water-way or build across the road. If BCV is successfull- and I think it will be- then I think Disney will try and figure someway to pack a DVC resort into Poly and GF.

[DebbieB]

I'm at BWV now, today I drove by the BCV construction site, I was surprised how close some of the rooms are to the road. I wonder if they will have standard and preferred points like BWV (unlike VWL with only 1 point level). I sure wouldn't want to pay preferred level points for those rooms. Hopefully they will put some trees in there to buffer the noise from the road. I have a standard view here at BWV, view of the pond and partial view of the fireworks and love it. Had preferred view of the canal by the quiet pool last year, this is just as nice and less points (34 less for 6 nights).

[Dean]

Count on Beach Club Villas being more points than WLV/BWV preferred and not having a preferred vs standard difference.