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mrsscooter
08-12-2006, 11:45 PM
I just read on one of the boards that this year disney is letting the non ticket holders to stay all night?!?!?!?!? Has anyone else heard this and/or is this true??? First, when are they going have time to "decorate" if they dont close the park at six, seeing how the party starts at seven and second, if I had to put out the money for the tickets and no one else has to, I will be absolutely furious!!!!!!!! Sorry if I seem a little irate, but this just kind of "rubs" me.

Thanks for letting me vent and try and get an answer

dvc at last !
08-12-2006, 11:50 PM
where did you read this info ?

salmoneous
08-13-2006, 12:08 AM
In all honestly, I think there are some folks on the Theme Park board who are blowing things way out of proportion. All we know is that in the past, they closing time for the park for not MNSSHP guests has been 6. This year the closing time was listed as 7. We have one person confirming that the 7 o'clock closing time for non guests is correct. That's all we know.

mrsscooter
08-13-2006, 12:29 AM
I subscribe to a thread called "MNNSHP 2006 Ready to start planning" in the theme park attractions and strategies section. The post I am referring to is from tonight -
"HAs everyone been keeping up with the newest development about MNSSHP? It is rumored that they are allowing non-ticket holders to stay in the park this year."

and this one as well -

Quote:
Originally Posted by shannon1219
HAs everyone been keeping up with the newest development about MNSSHP? It is rumored that they are allowing non-ticket holders to stay in the park this year.

I know the park doesn't close to day guests until 7:00 this year, but I haven't heard that they'll allow non-ticketed guests to remain all night. I can't imagine they would allow them to stay indefinitely.
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so you can see why I was little upset

helenm29
08-13-2006, 01:36 AM
I called Disney reservations and spoke to two different people who both stated that any guest without a wristband will be asked to leave the park and/or escorted out. :teeth: We have never been to one before so we don't know how many people will be there anyway so we will just go with the flow! :banana: I am sure that all you need to do is pay attention to your scheduled events and you shouldn't have a problem. No matter how many people are there we will still have lots of fun! So, GO AND HAVE FUN TOO! :thumbsup2

goofydad621
08-13-2006, 10:25 AM
I called CR and talked and got the same response, non ticket holders will be asked to leave and then escorted out if not gone on their own. Not sure what is going to happen yet.

kellyg403
08-13-2006, 11:26 AM
I just called this morning and asked this very question after reading the stuff on these boards. The CM said that yes non party holders are allowed to stay in the parks until 7 BUT starting at 7 they will be escorted out since they do not have wristbands.

I did express my thoughts that it will be virtually impossible to have all non party holders out of the park. I did express my concern that I was paying to have the privilage of attending the party and did not feel it was right that non party goers will have the option of staying in the parks and doing some of the activities. It was in impossible burden on the park CMs to make sure EVERY single non paying partygoer was out of the park and not enjoying the festivities. Just my .02 cents and not worth much but felt much better voicing my point of view regardless.

Kelly

doubletrouble_vb
08-13-2006, 11:43 AM
Having been to MNSSHP before and to EMH I really don't see what the big deal would be if they allowed people to stay. They have CM's on hand to prevent people from riding the rides or otherwise getting in the way of those that paid. It'd work the same way EMH does...a non-payer is free to wander the park, buy stuff in the shops but that's all...well almost all. They'd also be able to see any of the special shows, parades and fireworks where it wouldn't be feasible for CM's to give them the boot. Not a big deal in my mind.

Noelle
08-13-2006, 11:44 AM
I wouldn't worry about it. I've been to plenty of hard ticket events at Disneyland where they segregate the party goers as they finish ushering day guests out, like all of the Nightmare Before Christmas Merchandise Events...The cast members are really good finding people. Every ride operator and cast member you encounter will be looking for your wristband. So the few people that might slip by most likely will be caught and the small amount of people that manage to get away with it should be so small that it wouldn't impact your MNSSHP.

1000th happy haunt
08-13-2006, 11:46 AM
Having been to MNSSHP before and to EMH I really don't see what the big deal would be if they allowed people to stay. They have CM's on hand to prevent people from riding the rides or otherwise getting in the way of those that paid. It'd work the same way EMH does...a non-payer is free to wander the park, buy stuff in the shops but that's all...well almost all. They'd also be able to see any of the special shows, parades and fireworks where it wouldn't be feasible for CM's to give them the boot. Not a big deal in my mind.

But the highlight of MNSSHP (and MVMCP) IS the special shows, parades and fireworks.

Tinker53
08-13-2006, 11:51 AM
I have checked the Disney calendar and on the 5th of October It is also a EMH night, Now my thought is do the on site guest get to stay for the MNSSHP on the EMH and not have to buy the hard ticket for the party. I am new to all this and never been to Diseny this will be our first ever, and I am staying off site this time. it was just more affordable for us that way. So I don't know how the EMH works if you just get to stay or you paid for the EMH when you made got your WDW resort package.

Heres the flip side how about the people who are on site who went out and bought the ticket for the MNSSHP and could have stayed in the park on the EMH. I believe they shouldn't be holding EMH on the same nights as a Hard ticket event.

goofy4tink
08-13-2006, 11:58 AM
I have checked the Disney calendar and on the 5th of October It is also a EMH night, Now my thought is do the on site guest get to stay for the MNSSHP on the EMH and not have to buy the hard ticket for the party. I am new to all this and never been to Diseny this will be our first ever, and I am staying off site this time. it was just more affordable for us that way. So I don't know how the EMH works if you just get to stay or you paid for the EMH when you made got your WDW resort package.

Heres the flip side how about the people who are on site who went out and bought the ticket for the MNSSHP and could have stayed in the park on the EMH. I believe they shouldn't be holding EMH on the same nights as a Hard ticket event.

Oct.5 is an EMH for the morning, not the evening. There are no special parties scheduled for those evenings with EMHs. Only WDW resort guests get to use EMH perks. Anyone can buy tickets to MNSSPH or MVMCP.

Tinker53
08-13-2006, 12:09 PM
Thanks I did not know that, that makes more sense to me.

Like I said I am new to all this :confused3

salmoneous
08-13-2006, 01:29 PM
I did express my thoughts that it will be virtually impossible to have all non party holders out of the park. I'm curious - why do you think it will be that much different from previous years? Why does changing the time when non-guests have to leave from 6:00 - 7:00 make such a difference?

goofy4tink
08-13-2006, 01:43 PM
I'm curious - why do you think it will be that much different from previous years? Why does changing the time when non-guests have to leave from 6:00 - 7:00 make such a difference?

Didn't they close the park at say, 6:00, herd all those with hard ticket passes into one section (TommorowLand for instance), allow those people with passes to ride stuff in that one area while the park was emptied of those not holding special passes, then release people into the whole park at 7:00 for the party?
Sure, there were always some people that got missed....those eating or whatever. But, it wasn't a huge number of people. I have to think that there is some kind of miscommunication happening here. There is no way that Disney could expect people to pay close to $40 for a special ticket and then allow others to not pay for it, yet be able to participate anyway. Sure, they couldn't get on attractions. We've all seen how well monitored that is. I have been asked to show my wrist band most times, but not always. So......No way am I paying for a MNSSHP ticket, and have to sit alongside someone who didn't pat yet is getting to see the 'special' parade, fireworks, character greetings, trick or treating. Yes, I guess they could say that only those with 'wristbands' could get candy or get photos with the characters....but, again, we've seen that that system doesn't work so well. I think we will find that it will all work out. However, I'm not buying my 3 MNSSHP tickets next week the way I had planned. Nope, not doing it until I see the early party reports.

And Tinker53...no problem. There's stuff that is still confusing to me!!!! And I consider myself pretty knowledgable. You'll catch on...just hang out here on the DIS!!!

CowboyCO
08-13-2006, 01:43 PM
I am a MNSSHP virgin but will be going on Oct 5th. The difference is it is easier (and more organized )to close at six and usher all non-paying guests to the exits. I'm paying $150 to take my family and if I knew that you could still stay and see the parades, fireworks and characters without paying, I would never have bought tickets. I was told by CMs on the phone that that this was a "hard ticket event" that only ticket holders would be allowed in. This now looks like a complete lie. You have to pay to ride rides, not to get in. I already bought park hoppers to ride rides at MK. It is looking like a total ripoff and a scam if they are not forcing non-ticket holders to leave. :eek: :scared: :crazy2: :crazy2: :mad: :mad: :sad:

It's like buying tickets to the 2nd game of a split double header , but they don't make the crowd from the first game leave the ballpark.

madcat
08-13-2006, 02:13 PM
we are going to be there from sept.27th to oct 3rd.. should I go ahead and get the tickets? :confused3

kellyg403
08-13-2006, 04:02 PM
For my family, the trick or treating, parade and shows, special characters etc will be what we are hoping to get out of the evening. If we get to ride some rides with small lines too..so be it.

My thing with it is that I paid extra to see the special events. If I had known beforehand that I could have simply stayed in the park and not rode any rides and still have the "atmosphere" I would have done so. And, sorry but I like that there is only a number of tickets sold so that the crowds are smaller and the time is more enjoyable. MVMCP was fun simply because the crowds were smaller and we were able to enjoy alot of things in those 5 hours. Hey, I haven't gotten there yet so I don't know how its going to be but I already have the tickets so I will be there eventually. Hopefully it will work out. Like I said before just my .02 cents on the subject and simply my personal opinion. Hopefully, one of the first partygoers will come back and say that the CM's didn't have a problem and the night was great. I will go with an open mind but I just think the whole thing isn't right. Like another posted I have parkhopper tickets and can ride the rides any day of the 7 days I am there. I really didn't expect to pay extra to ride them. I expected to pay extra so the kids could enjoy an experience that we may not get back to do.

Kelly

mickeyfan2
08-13-2006, 04:07 PM
Having been to MNSSHP before and to EMH I really don't see what the big deal would be if they allowed people to stay. They have CM's on hand to prevent people from riding the rides or otherwise getting in the way of those that paid. It'd work the same way EMH does...a non-payer is free to wander the park, buy stuff in the shops but that's all...well almost all. They'd also be able to see any of the special shows, parades and fireworks where it wouldn't be feasible for CM's to give them the boot. Not a big deal in my mind.
This is a big deal. Why should they get to sit on the curb while the people who paid to keep the park open have to stand? :confused3

salmoneous
08-13-2006, 05:16 PM
Didn't they close the park at say, 6:00, herd all those with hard ticket passes into one section (TommorowLand for instance), allow those people with passes to ride stuff in that one area while the park was emptied of those not holding special passes, then release people into the whole park at 7:00 for the party?! I've read it described that way - but at the parties I've been to - MNSSHP and MVMCP - that's not at all what happened. People just kind of milled around. CM's gently shooed non-wristban holders out of the park. Just as I'm sure they will do this year. This difference is this year they will start shooing at 7:00 instead of at 6:00.

I'm just amazed at the number of people saying non-wristband holders will be allowed to stay, that they have been ripped off and lied to.

makinorlando
08-13-2006, 05:34 PM
In the past when we have been in the park prior to party time (which has been all but two of 7 times in the past three years) - at 6pm party goers were directed to go to Tomorrowland or Adventureland (those are the two I remember waiting in). This past October DD and I bought tickets at the gate on the spur of the moment for a MNSSHP and entered around 5pm, at 6pm we were directed to Tomorrowland, and sat at a table and watched as CMs approached each person/group of people who walked by them if they had party tickets... if so they were directed to the area to get their wristbands if they did not already have them, and if not they were asked to leave.... I also believe that they had CMs at places like the entrance into Adventureland (where we tried to go originally as that was the area we went to the year before), etc not allowing entry to those areas. CMs were also stationed up and down Main Street directing non party goers nicely "out the door"!

I have also seen CMs approach folks who were not trying to get into a show or ride i.e. sitting curbside who did not have visible wristbands - ask to be shown them!

The logistics of all of this is huge - but they have been doing it for years, and I am sure they will "have it covered" as to not disappoint paying party goers.

I can't say for those who are resort guests and who use Disney transportation, but for anyone who drives into the park, the closing time is clearly posted, and the one year that we entered around 3:30pm, we were advised by the CM at the entrance that the park was closing early due to the party.

Sammie
08-13-2006, 06:31 PM
In the past when we have been in the park prior to party time (which has been all but two of 7 times in the past three years) - at 6pm party goers were directed to go to Tomorrowland or Adventureland (those are the two I remember waiting in). This past October DD and I bought tickets at the gate on the spur of the moment for a MNSSHP and entered around 5pm, at 6pm we were directed to Tomorrowland, and sat at a table and watched as CMs approached each person/group of people who walked by them if they had party tickets... if so they were directed to the area to get their wristbands if they did not already have them, and if not they were asked to leave.... I also believe that they had CMs at places like the entrance into Adventureland (where we tried to go originally as that was the area we went to the year before), etc not allowing entry to those areas. CMs were also stationed up and down Main Street directing non party goers nicely "out the door"!

I have also seen CMs approach folks who were not trying to get into a show or ride i.e. sitting curbside who did not have visible wristbands - ask to be shown them!

The logistics of all of this is huge - but they have been doing it for years, and I am sure they will "have it covered" as to not disappoint paying party goers.

I can't say for those who are resort guests and who use Disney transportation, but for anyone who drives into the park, the closing time is clearly posted, and the one year that we entered around 3:30pm, we were advised by the CM at the entrance that the park was closing early due to the party.

I have to agree and personally lately I am beginning to think the in thing to do on these fourms is make a mountain out of a mole hill.

I was walking by the concierge desk of our resort yesterday and overheard a guest being assisted by the concierge guest and the CM said, probably your expectations and enjoyment of your vacation would be better if you stayed away from the DIS boards, I almost bust out laughing.

byoung
08-13-2006, 10:37 PM
Last year seen Disney CM escourt some out, without bands.

eblack0409
08-13-2006, 10:41 PM
Having been to MNSSHP before and to EMH I really don't see what the big deal would be if they allowed people to stay. They have CM's on hand to prevent people from riding the rides or otherwise getting in the way of those that paid. It'd work the same way EMH does...a non-payer is free to wander the park, buy stuff in the shops but that's all...well almost all. They'd also be able to see any of the special shows, parades and fireworks where it wouldn't be feasible for CM's to give them the boot. Not a big deal in my mind.

The big deal is that we paid to go to the party...if they allow non paying guests to remain in the park, then why did I pay extra money for a ticket to MNSSHP????

salmoneous
08-14-2006, 07:10 AM
The big deal is that we paid to go to the party...if they allow non paying guests to remain in the park, then why did I pay extra money for a ticket to MNSSHP???? But they aren't allowing non guests to stay in the park. That's just some wild rumoring being spread. They are changing the time they are making others leave. Some people don't think the CM's will be able to shoo them out. Now, personally, I think the CM's are more than up for the job. But they certainlly aren't allowing them to stay.

Don't believe everything you read.

doubletrouble_vb
08-17-2006, 11:19 PM
Most people will leave when asked. Some few non-paying folk will be left behind. When I went to MNNSHP CM's asked to see wristbands prior to entering the lines for candy, for photographs, for face painting and for riding the virtually lineless rides. As far as I could tell people without wristbands could watch the parade, shop in the stores and see the fireworks if they stuck around long enough to see them. Oh I guess they could eat as well.

There were so few of them that NO I don't think its a big deal. What's the point of wasting the ticket time on the park hopper you paid for in a park where you can't do much of anything??? The ONLY people that this would be of benefit to would be those who did not buy a hopper...and maybe AP holders who spend a huge number of days in the parks.

My guess is that the EMH evenings have given them a lot of practice in encouraging the unwanted to leave nicely and they feel they can start at 7pm instead of 6pm...thus giving those who paid for a day at MK the shortest full day that is otherwise on the calendar.

beattyfamily
08-19-2006, 09:03 PM
Well, I got a response. :(

It was in a phone message. I was out all day.

She said she was Michelle from the "Executive Offices of Disney". That she was sorry I was upset by what I had heard.

She said that they have decided to handle MNSSHP/MVMCP like EMH. That they learned from past experience that it is no longer necessary to close the park to clear it of day guests.

They will keep the park open. There will be greeters at all locations (trick or treat, rides, food place) to turn away those guests without wristbands, and move them to the front of park and out by 7:00p.

She said all offerings will require wristbands and no party festivities will happen on Main Street till all day guests are gone.

She said it will basically work like EMH.

Finally, she said my comments and concerns are very much appreciated and that they will be shared with the office/executives.

I'm a little disappointed to say the least but I'll hope for the best. This year could be my last party. :(

TDC Nala
08-19-2006, 09:06 PM
I believe the story is that they will close the park at 7 instead of 6. It was previously closed at 6 to clear the park prior to the start of the party at 7. There's no confirmation for any other details.

DisneyBride94
08-19-2006, 09:53 PM
we are going to be there from sept.27th to oct 3rd.. should I go ahead and get the tickets? :confused3

Yes, you should go!!!! It is a blast... I'll be at MNSSHP on the night of Sept. 29th, which is the day we arrive... We decided it would be a good way to kick off our vacation, since we arrive in the early afternoon... by the time we get from the airport to the BC via the DME it will be too late to waist a day's entrance to a park... but this way we get to jump right into the magic at MK full throttle... I am going as a Jack Sparrow inspired lady pirate... (I can't imagine myself with chin dreads...) :love: pirate:

And to counter some of the arguments here... traditionally they have let MNSSHP ticketholders enter the park AS EARLY as 4PM without regular park admission... So guests who have forked out a great amount of money for an MK admission may be equally as peeved that they have to deal with extra people entering the park that didn't pay to be there during that express time...

I think it all comes out in the wash...

kidsicet
08-19-2006, 10:14 PM
Before this rumor started, I carefully considered whether or not we should get tickets to MNSSHP. Since Halloween is my absolute favorite time of year, and it is very close to DD's birthday, I went ahead and purchased our tickets for Oct. 17th. I am eagerly anticipating that day, and planning Halloween costumes for our entire family (even DH!!!).

Whether or not some stragglers are still in the park, I won't let it ruin my party. I'm planning on arriving early, like I read on the boards, and just take it as it comes. I am hopeful that Disney is smart enough to put some foresight into how to handle the non-ticket holders with the rest of the guests that evening. If it turns out to be horrible, Disney will either have to make changes, or they will likely lose a lot of customers.

But I'm keeping a positive attitude, and moving forward with our plans. I am extremely excited for that evening, and hoping it meets my expectations.

Jackmonkey
08-20-2006, 02:52 AM
Well, However it goes down, We will be there for the first one (15 Sept.). Our cards came in the mail today. personaly, I have every faith in the Walt Disney Company's well earned reputation to handle situations like this, and am not very worried. We come home on the 16th, so I'll be sure to post a complete after action report about it then :thumbsup2