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JimMIA
08-12-2006, 11:53 AM
The other 2007 threads have wandered off, so I'm going to start a 2007 speculation thread.

I not very fearlessly predict:

ALL of the Epcot WS restaurants will be back in the 2007 lineup by 1/1/2007
and...CSR will also be back in.

Anybody got any other theories?

Am_I_There_Yet
08-12-2006, 12:00 PM
I called CRO yesterday to cancel some Poly reservations and I asked the CM about DDP.

She read from some release and at the end of the release it said to "stay tuned". I can't remember exactly how she worded it, but I got the distinct impression that they know they're coming back, but since the contracts haven't been finalized they can't say anything.

I'm not worried. I'm going to make my ADR's in December and whatever happens, happens.

Tjaleks
08-12-2006, 12:04 PM
I'm not worried. I'm going to make my ADR's in December and whatever happens, happens.

::yes::

ReneeA
08-12-2006, 12:30 PM
The other 2007 threads have wandered off, so I'm going to start a 2007 speculation thread.

I not very fearlessly predict:

ALL of the Epcot WS restaurants will be back in the 2007 lineup by 1/1/2007
and...CSR will also be back in.

Anybody got any other theories?


I totally agree. It does make sense that they had to get the brochures out for people that are trying to book for 2007, but not all of the contracts are signed yet.

I guess I don't really get the big uproar. :confused3

english rose 47
08-12-2006, 01:06 PM
I predict many of the Doown town disney restaurants will be back on. Anyone else agree?

Julieh22
08-12-2006, 01:11 PM
I agree that the downtown restaurants will be back along with epcot's. Additionally, I think that we will see a seperation of adult and child credits.

DiszyDean
08-12-2006, 01:19 PM
I predict that the Epcot resteraunts will be back and the CSR places will be back. I predict that almost all of the DTD resteraunts will NOT be back.

I also predict that there will be a seperation of child and adult credits and that some of the returning resteraunts that are still pending will offer a limited menu for DDP or at least exclude certain entrees/deserts/appetizers from the offering for DDP members.

Pedler
08-12-2006, 01:28 PM
The other 2007 threads have wandered off, so I'm going to start a 2007 speculation thread.

I not very fearlessly predict:

ALL of the Epcot WS restaurants will be back in the 2007 lineup by 1/1/2007
and...CSR will also be back in.

Anybody got any other theories?

I agree with both of the above and would fearlessly add the following:

Sometime in 2007 if not before they will seperate child / adult credits.

Most of the DTD places will be back.

Some places may find creative ways to exclude dishes but there will not be a seperate menu for DDP guests.

patsal
08-12-2006, 01:40 PM
Here's my thinking and it seems to fall in line with many others.

1. Epcot restuarants will be added but those that believe that they can fill up without it will try--possible dissenters could be France, China and Moracco.
2. Some more DTD will be added, WP and WPE will drop and maybe a few more will add on. Overall it isn't necessary to survive at DTD and have the DDP--not a ticketed area so there is a ton of foot traffic here and people need to eat.
3.CSR will sign back on--without it I think too many regular resort guests would be switching resorts and I'm not sure as a hotel if it could survive on convention only/AP discounted rooms, as I doubt most on a package would want to deal with the exclusions.
4. Adult and children's credits will be separated
5. The CM's will be better trained and more uniform in their interpretation of the plan---this is wishful thinking ;) !
6. Snacks at Epcot will easier to figure out since they will all signed with the DDP logo at participating venues.

salmoneous
08-12-2006, 02:24 PM
ALL of the Epcot WS restaurants will be back in the 2007 lineup by 1/1/2007
OK, I'll take the other side (sorta):

I predict: at least one WS restaurant won't be back for 2007. But maybe BdF will be in as a 2TS choice.

disneypharm
08-12-2006, 02:32 PM
I totally agree. It does make sense that they had to get the brochures out for people that are trying to book for 2007, but not all of the contracts are signed yet.

I guess I don't really get the big uproar. :confused3

Ok. How do you guys know that not all of the contracts are signed? Is this a rumor amongst DIS threads or there is an official site that mentions it? Just curious! :confused3 Disney has already published their 2007 list and I would imagine that they would have waited for these contracts to finalize before they would publish the final version!

Am_I_There_Yet
08-12-2006, 02:42 PM
Ok. How do you guys know that not all of the contracts are signed? Is this a rumor amongst DIS threads or there is an official site that mentions it? Just curious! :confused3 Disney has already published their 2007 list and I would imagine that they would have waited for these contracts to finalize before they would publish the final version!

I had a CM in CRO read a press release of sorts that said that contract negotiations were in progress and there have been several DISers who've said that the same thing took place this time last year.

That's all I have to go on.

disneycutie84
08-12-2006, 02:53 PM
I hope alot of the restaurants will be back on! May will be my first trip to WDW and probably the last one I take for a long time. (I will be starting graduate school and too poor to go to WDW. :rotfl: )
I would like to have more options open for me and anyone else going in 2007.

disneypharm
08-12-2006, 02:54 PM
I had a CM in CRO read a press release of sorts that said that contract negotiations were in progress and there have been several DISers who've said that the same thing took place this time last year.

That's all I have to go on.

I hope the CM is right. I would love to try more Epcot restaurants during our 2007 trip using DDP. Since we found out about these changes, we switched Cape May to Chef de France for our Sept 2006 trip.

jjohnson
08-12-2006, 02:56 PM
I predict CSR & DTD will not come back. Epcot will come back but CR & Chefs will be (2) TS credits.

I'm still surprised LeCellier is still 1.

esdras
08-12-2006, 03:10 PM
I'm still surprised LeCellier is still 1.

:ssst:
SHHHHHH!!!!!

What are you, nuts?

Don't say things like that out loud.

You'll jinx it!!! ;)

jjohnson
08-12-2006, 03:20 PM
:ssst:
SHHHHHH!!!!!

What are you, nuts?

Don't say things like that out loud.

You'll jinx it!!! ;)

my bad :rotfl2:

JimMIA
08-12-2006, 03:31 PM
Epcot will come back but CR ...will be (2) TS credits.Hee, hee...How much you wanna bet?

[ETA - I mean, how much you wanna bet on it being 2 TS?]

bicker
08-12-2006, 03:53 PM
I not very fearlessly predict:



ALL of the Epcot WS restaurants will be back in the 2007 lineup by 1/1/2007
and...CSR will also be back in.
Anybody got any other theories?I'm guessing that a total of two or three restaurants from the 2006 list will be non-participating in 2007 (80%). CSR will be represented, somehow (99%).

Le Cellier will remain 1TS (90%). Chefs will be one of those that will be gone (60%), or will remain 1TS (30%).

Sammie
08-12-2006, 03:58 PM
Not really a theory but or prediction but based on very reliable info shared by Disney CMs the WS restuarants and CSR are not out, they in negotations.

Sammie
08-12-2006, 04:02 PM
I definitely think Captain Jacks's will be back.

bicker
08-12-2006, 04:12 PM
Cap'n Jack's is already on the list for 2007. It's a Disney-owned restaurant.

jjohnson
08-12-2006, 05:19 PM
Whoops! quick change. I just realized Coral Reef is already on the 2007 brochure. It's a good thing I didn't up the ante Jim ;)

Sammie
08-12-2006, 05:53 PM
Cap'n Jack's is already on the list for 2007. It's a Disney-owned restaurant.

See I knew I was right. :rotfl2:

Sorry this heat is getting to me. ;)

bluejasmine
08-12-2006, 07:18 PM
I predict many of the Doown town disney restaurants will be back on. Anyone else agree?
I sure hope so! Especially WPE!!

missycj96
08-12-2006, 11:15 PM
I think child and adult credits should be separated. It seems like such an easy thing to do in terms of the technology, its completely fair - and its a good way for disney to keep the cost of the plan down.

clombardi
08-12-2006, 11:20 PM
Sometime in 2007 if not before they will seperate child / adult credits.

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Definitely agree that this will happen...never understood why they didn't do this in the first place. It seems like such an easy thing to keep track of.

bwallace
08-13-2006, 09:24 AM
To support your theory, a CM @ Big River Grill has told me that they have already signed on for 2007.
hopefully he was right

tinkamom
08-13-2006, 08:10 PM
I booked a trip today for May and the Cm told me that the EPCOT and DTD restaurants are still in negotations and will probably be added back in. :cool1:

alwayspooh
08-13-2006, 08:30 PM
I just called today and was asking some questions in reference to the DDP and the CM said that last year most DTD restaurants didn't participate so there probably won't be much of a change from last years list even though the restaurants are still negotating contracts. :chat:

I sure miss the old DDP from "98". The first time we used the plan everything was included. :drinking1 Yes even alcohol beverages and it was a affordable. Anyone else remember those days? :cloud9:

NMW
08-13-2006, 09:31 PM
I think most, if not all, World Showcase places will be back. I don't think any of them will be 2 credits. There is just not that much of a price difference between Chefs and Le Celliar or Chefs and San Angel to warrant Chefs being 2 credits. IF they all come back, I think they will all be 1 credit.

I think CSR will HAVE to come back or many people will switch to other moderate resorts. I know they have the convention center, but can they afford to lose families with the DDP?

I don't know about DTD. That is a tricky one. I bet they get a lot of locals and off-site traffic. However, they were included in the plan they had previous to the DDP in 2005. Actually, more of them were included with that plan-Rainforest, PYC, and others than with the current DDP. I'm not all that sure DTD will come back.

bicker
08-14-2006, 06:26 AM
Yes even alcohol beverages and it was a affordable.I don't remember it being affordable! :eek:

I think most, if not all, World Showcase places will be back. I don't think any of them will be 2 credits. There is just not that much of a price difference between Chefs and Le Celliar or Chefs and San Angel to warrant Chefs being 2 credits.Cinderella's is typically less expensive than dinner at some of the places you mentioned, yet, it is 2TS. In that case, they've apparently made the restaurant 2TS in reaction to its popularity. The credits clearly don't map directly to dollar amounts on the menus.

I think CSR will HAVE to come back or many people will switch to other moderate resorts.The folks who own the CSR eateries may or may not factor in the effect their lack of participation may or may not have on hotel bookings. There are a lot of factors involved there that could work for or against the need to participate. I believe that they'll have to conclude that participating was good for them (the eateries) -- not just good for CSR (the hotel).

Lewisc
08-14-2006, 09:34 AM
I predict Chefs will be back. I don't think they can afford to lose the business. The menu may have to be revamped.

Disney will need a participating restaurant at CSR. I'll predict you won't be able to get a $30 CS meal at PM, including the rib eye steak for 1 CS credit. Either the rib eye steak will disappear, will be excluded or Disney and PM will agree to some modification. The might even use the bar area to open up a limited CS restaurant geared to dining plan guests, at least for breakfast and lunch. Originally Disney and PM agreed to limit desserts, to compensate for the enhanced entrées. I don't think this would go over but a compromise might be to go back to restricting dessert. Let guests use a snack credit if they want most of the desserts.

COmomof2
08-14-2006, 10:02 AM
I agree with those that think most of the WS in Epcot will be back. We booked our April of 2005 trip in December of 2004 (if I remember correctly)...just when the "new" DDP was announced. In early 2005, only 3 or 4 WS restaurants were participating in the plan, and LeCellier and Coral Reef were 2 credits.

Right about the time we were visiting the World, all of the other WS restaurants came on board. We didn't know about the new additions until after we returned home!

Like I said, I believe that the WS restaurants, along with CSR will be back on the plan, but it may be near the end of 2006 or a few months into 2007 that you see them officially announced and the brochure changed.

I say make your reservations for the places you want to eat and see what happens!

bicker
08-14-2006, 12:53 PM
What about reclassifying Pepper Market as a TS? It is clearly not an ideal solution for CSR guests, but it is a fair solution.

Lewisc
08-14-2006, 01:20 PM
What about reclassifying Pepper Market as a TS? It is clearly not an ideal solution for CSR guests, but it is a fair solution.

CSR would be the only resort without a CS restaurant, unless they include the pool restaurant. For breakfast PM isn't much different than other CS restaurants. Even for lunch and dinner most meals aren't much more than at the Land. It's really the rib-eye steak and one or two other entrées that puts PM significantly above other CS restaurants.

Your solution is the easiest to implement, it might even be the solution that Disney goes with. Beaches and Cream was a CS under the old voucher program.

Someone else suggested making PM the first "signature" CS and require 2 credits. That might be fair, if breakfast was left at one credit. I wonder if dropping dessert would be enough. Let guests use a snack credit if they want dessert.

jjohnson
08-14-2006, 02:32 PM
CSR has already made one change. This was posted on the DP Q&A:

Just back from a 7-day trip (8/5-8/12) and wanted to share some info on how CSR was handling bakery items on the DDP. They have 2 sections in the Bakery, "Bakery I" (cinnamon rolls, danishes, baguettes, croissants, muffins and cookies) and "Bakery II" (cake/cheesecake slices, fruit tarts, tiramisu, creme brulees, etc.). At the beginning of the week all bakery items were available as a CS dessert or as a snack on the DDP. On 8/11 we were advised by the nice CM working in the bakery that only "Bakery I" items were available on the DDP as a CS dessert or snack--"Bakery II" items were now excluded.

bicker
08-14-2006, 02:53 PM
Your solution is the easiest to implement, it might even be the solution that Disney goes with. Beaches and Cream was a CS under the old voucher program.Beaches and Cream is TS under the current and 2007 Dining Plans.

Lewisc
08-14-2006, 03:06 PM
Beachs and Cream is CS under the current and 2007 Dining Plans.

B&C was always a table service restaurant under the current dining plan, it was a CS restaurant with the old vouchers.

jjohnson--CSR originally limited desserts to Bakery 1 items, this was acceptable to Disney since the entrées are more extensive than other CS restaurants and many of the CS restaurants (in the parks) don't offer desserts that aren't that elaborate.

bicker
08-14-2006, 03:08 PM
Duh Duh Duh. I meant to post TS. I swear I did. That was the whole point of my message!!!

STOOPID fingers! :)

Mulan'sMom
08-14-2006, 03:55 PM
Keeping my fingers crossed that they'll at least do a modified breakfast and lunch at CSR as a CS credit. Keep the steak - give me pancakes and burritos (not necessarily at the same time.)

NMW
08-14-2006, 05:16 PM
Cinderella's is typically less expensive than dinner at some of the places you mentioned, yet, it is 2TS. In that case, they've apparently made the restaurant 2TS in reaction to its popularity. The credits clearly don't map directly to dollar amounts on the menus.




True, but Cinderella's Royal Table has well, Cinderella. :teeth: The favorite princess of many little girls and until the princesses came to the judges tent, the only place to meet her. Not to mention the whole "eating in the castle" ambiance thing. That's the only reason we ever ate there, it certainly wasn't for the food!

Chefs is pretty much another restaurant in the World Showcase-tables too close together, noisy. Don't get me wrong I like French food a great deal, but if I had the DDP and it was 2 credits, I'd eat at another country. Now I could totally understand Bistro being 2 credits, but Chefs...?

bicker
08-14-2006, 05:20 PM
Ah, but Chefs de France is not just another restaurant in the World Showcase. It's a step or two above the rest, with great service and the ability to elevate even the simplest ingredients into "cuisine". Chefs' food is so much more special than the cookie-cutter princesses that rotate around the dining room in the castle.

Pedler
08-14-2006, 07:27 PM
Ah, but Chefs de France is not just another restaurant in the World Showcase. It's a step or two above the rest, with great service and the ability to elevate even the simplest ingredients into "cuisine". Chefs' food is so much more special than the cookie-cutter princesses that rotate around the dining room in the castle.


It could be that the food quality is a 2TS but what really determines it is can they could fill the seats as a 2TS and with walk ins. Are there enough people not on the dinning plan that would go there or on the dinning plan that would use 2 TS credits for it? It would be interesting if they were to try to see how it works out.

Kris517
08-15-2006, 01:57 PM
I really hope that we those restaurants back in 2007. I would rather see a slight price increase to keep them rather than have to try and schedule all my vacation days not only around Disney events, but now DDE restaurants as well.
If those restaurants in Epcot are out, I can't see us buying the DDE.

I will just keep my fingers crossed


Krista :rolleyes1

Shirrie
08-15-2006, 02:12 PM
why is it that CSR is not on the list yet and all the other resorts are?

bicker
08-15-2006, 02:22 PM
Because the list doesn't yet include any non-Disney restaurants, and the restaurants at CSR are non-Disney restaurants.