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Pkdcoastrs
08-11-2006, 08:13 PM
From TP

"DDP Trade-In Offer August 13 - October 7

In a bit of an odd revision to the Disney Dining Plan, guests may trade in their Table Service meal for a counter service meal during the period of August 13 - October 7, 2006, and in exchange for doing so, will ALSO get 2 vouchers for DDP snack options OR a disney trading pin and lanyard OR a Where Magic Lives poster. The snacks can be redeemed anywhere, but must be redeemed at the same time. The lanyard will be from a specified merchandise location. "

I know my family definetly won't be wasting any credits on this but maybe people with younger kids would find this worthwhile?

Aimeedyan
08-11-2006, 08:16 PM
How interesting! I can see where a family that doesn't feel like a TS, or wants to spend more time in the parks and not dining, or doesn't have a reservation and can't easily get a table might opt for this. We won't be but I know people have asked if they can trade their TS for CS in the past so there must be a demand for it!

Luv2Roam
08-11-2006, 08:22 PM
That could work for those who just want a quick meal for more park time, resort activities, not feeling well, time limitations, etc.
It also obviously helps free up TS meals and helps with some who don't have ADRs. I think this is a plus.

Brian Noble
08-11-2006, 08:54 PM
IMO, this is strictly a Service Recovery move for folks shut out of theme park restaurants during free dining.

(And a pretty chintzy one at that if any guest was so clueless as to have *bought* the dining plan for this period, and then not made ADRs.)

Palendat
08-11-2006, 09:41 PM
I don't think that this is for families who don't want to waste time at table service establishments. I think Disney sees how many free diners don't have ADRs and knows that there are practically no time slots left to dine. THis is a bit of covering their butt beforehand. I can see a family being happy with this for one or two meals, but not for an entire week (for those staying a week) or more.

luv2playallday
08-11-2006, 10:19 PM
What is TP? Is this confirmed! I think we will have extra TS because I can't really eat, so this would be Great! We plan on going to Universal and the Ocean for a few days also, so this would be PERFECT! I don't care if it's not the best value, it will give us more flexibility!

Threeriversdisneyfan
08-11-2006, 10:37 PM
What is TP? Is this confirmed! I think we will have extra TS because I can't really eat, so this would be Great! We plan on going to Universal and the Ocean for a few days also, so this would be PERFECT! I don't care if it's not the best value, it will give us more flexibility!

Touringplans.com web site of the Unoffical Guide. Their sources are usually pretty good.

Aimeedyan
08-11-2006, 11:06 PM
I don't think that this is for families who don't want to waste time at table service establishments. I think Disney sees how many free diners don't have ADRs and knows that there are practically no time slots left to dine. THis is a bit of covering their butt beforehand. I can see a family being happy with this for one or two meals, but not for an entire week (for those staying a week) or more.

Hmm, the CM I know personally said there are dining options open during free dining - they just may not be at the top restaurants (and there are a lot of people who eat counter service the entire week, happily and by choice. Certainly not what I like to do but many do!)

Letsbgoofy
08-12-2006, 06:06 AM
Hmm, the CM I know personally said there are dining options open during free dining - they just may not be at the top restaurants

I completely agree with this. We are going 8/25-8/30 and have made and changed ADRs in the last week with no problems. I'm sure there are some weeks during the free dining promotion that are more crowded; maybe that's why we are seeing an offer like this. It's also a good time to test a new program; when you know people are eating for free and that most guests will be on the DP.

ReneeA
08-12-2006, 07:55 AM
We had 3 TS credits left on our last day last year and a manager at the food court at ASMo. had to override the transaction so that we could use them for breakfast since our CS were gone.

With a 2 & 3 year old, it wasn't always convienent or smart to sit down for an hour and a half for a TS meal. Sometimes we had to get our food and RUN.

This year they are able to sit a bit longer and have a bit more patience so we may not have to use that option...but it's nice that it's there if need be.

JimMIA
08-12-2006, 09:24 AM
I agree this is CYA, although it will work out well for many families. I've been predicting a backlash against the DDP by those folks who thought the plan meant they'd just be able to walk up to a restaurant and eat. I've seen the calls to DDPers without ADRs as an effort to lessen that, and this tells me they've got a serious problem just around the corner. I think Disney realized that this IS one of those rare situations where "Failure to plan on your part DOES constitute an emergency on my part."

The proposal, if true, is not a perfect solution, but at least it gives families some other options.

Those of us here on the DIS can get all smug and call the non-planners "clueless," but they still paid a lot of money for their vacations, they're newbies just like we all were once, and Disney wants them to have a great visit.

And if WDW "vets" act like they usually do, I'm sure there will be a lot of frequent visitors taking time to help and advise the newbies - just like the help most of us got on our first visit.

Lizzybee
08-12-2006, 09:42 AM
I actually think they are trying to contact ALL DDP'ers. We will be there in 3 days and we got a call about a week ago about making sure we had our ADRs. Of course I've had them since April and I even have one meal to pay OOP. I also think it's for CYA. Maybe they noticed that if just about everyone in the place has DDP during that period and lots of resorts are pretty much booked up, there just wouldn't be enough TS ADRs to go around. I know our first trip in 2003, the CM mentioned to me making some reservations and my parents who were going with said "nah, we don't want to be tied down so we'll just find places to eat when we get there" :rolleyes: So the only TS meals we ate at were Boatwrights at POR because we never came across a park restaurant taking walk ups. It was fine because we had no DDP so it would have been nice to have a couple more nicer meals, but it was no big deal. If we paid to have DDP with a certain number of TS credits, and we didn't know to make ADRs and lost those credits, we'd have been upset. We're pretty calm and civilized as a group... but not everyone is. :sad2:

JimMIA
08-12-2006, 10:25 AM
We're pretty calm and civilized as a group... but not everyone is. :sad2:In May, we saw several groups, including one party of about 12 at Le Cellier, who were decidedly UNcivilized when they found out they couldn't get in.

Also saw disgruntled folks at the LTT character meal, 1900 Park Fare, and at City Hall in MK trying to get ADRs when every single seat at MK - all day and night - was booked.

Aimeedyan
08-12-2006, 11:48 AM
I just talked to someone online this week that was leaving next week and didn't know ANYTHING about the dining plan. They had it booked but for some reason, whoever booked it didn't explain it and they (having never been to WDW before) didn't realize that basic research should be done.

Needless to say, several of us urged her to pick some restaurants and make reservations so they wouldn't be surprised when they got there.

There are lots of people like that out there - I'm glad Disney is following up with people and making sure their dining reservations are arranged. That will make things easier on the host/hostess at each restaurant.

ntsammy5
08-12-2006, 04:07 PM
I completely agree with this. We are going 8/25-8/30 and have made and changed ADRs in the last week with no problems..

Going the last week of the free DDP and we've made and changed ADRs right up until today! At good restaurants too.

:dance3: :dance3: :dance3: :dance3:

Simba's Mom
08-12-2006, 04:37 PM
Going the last week of the free DDP and we've made and changed ADRs right up until today! At good restaurants too.

:dance3: :dance3: :dance3: :dance3:
I'd say you're a heck of a lot luckier than I've been. Although I've had all my ADRs since April, I've been calling periodically looking for better times at a few places (yes, even 5 months out there were limited times at some places). When I called last week, every place I asked about was "oversold", so I was told I'd better hang on to the ADR I already had there. So I think Disney is preparing for a lot of unhappy guests trying to eat TS during free dining.

PatMcDuck
08-12-2006, 11:09 PM
We leave next week, and could not make some changes to my DDP reservations. And we are PAYING for the plan, DVC members. I ended up taking AK Rainforest lunch ressie, they are not ON the plan, so we may end up using that trade in thing mentioned in this thread, for counter service later that day. I could not get a PS at Epcot for dinner. We are 6, which is likely the problem.

PaulaSB12
08-13-2006, 03:25 AM
I made my last change 10 days ago. I changed my 5.55pm 50's prime time cafe, to 7.30pm Wolfgang Puck Cafe. I asked for anytime between 7pm and 9pm and got 7.30.

bicker
08-13-2006, 04:51 AM
And we are PAYING for the planRemember: All Dining Plan guests are paying for the plan, one way or another.

zookeeper
08-13-2006, 09:08 AM
I think it's a great idea to offer CS in exchange for TS. CS just works better for many families, especially those with young children. It also helps out those newbies who aren't aware of the need for ADR's. It also demonstrates a greater flexibility of the DDP which will encourage repeat users. I would imagine that someone new to WDW who goes during Free Dining without ADR's would not be thrilled about paying for it on future trips if they have a difficult experience this time.

Step
08-13-2006, 09:20 AM
Actually this sounds awsome for a day at Epcot during the Food and Wine Festival.

I'm thinking of cancelling my Teppanyaki reservation and doing this instead. 2 CS + 3 snacks at epcot for the day would be much better than 1 TS, 1 CS and 1 snack.

Though, I'm confused, do you have to get the snacks when you do the CS, or do they mean you have to use both vouchers at the same time?

cjnix29
08-13-2006, 09:26 AM
In my opinion, I think they are still trying to lure people to the World during this time. If you can get AKL for $135 a night, you know that the resort is not booked! Same holds true for many of the other resorts, I found rates at GF for as low as 220 a night. People will call to make dining reservations finding some places are booked and it may turn them off from still taking a vacation with the dining plan. It is giving people more options still trying to get more people into the World with that plan.

luv2playallday
08-13-2006, 09:27 AM
Hopefully someone can confirm this soon since free dining started today!

wdwobsessed
08-13-2006, 09:40 AM
Remember: All Dining Plan guests are paying for the plan, one way or another.


OMG Bicker! I just had to post and say we actually AGREE on something for once! LOL.

WDWO

calypso*a*go-go
08-13-2006, 11:40 AM
The Average Joe has never even heard of the DISboard and doesn't have a clue how complicated the planning process can be. We still have friends that have never been to WDW and don't realize there are separate theme parks. I've also heard people that think US and SW and included in PH tickets. These are the kind of people that will be totally shocked that many restaurants are filled to capacity and don't allow walkups. They are the ones that will leaving feeling they have been "ripped off" and will tell anyone that will listen. Hopefully the new options will allow everyone to use all of their credits in some capacity or another and go home satisfied.

JimMIA
08-13-2006, 11:51 AM
We still have friends that have never been to WDW and don't realize there are separate theme parks. I've also heard people that think US and SW and included in PH tickets.Yep...or don't know there is any such thing as a Park Hopper! :confused3

Or think once you get a room onsite, park admission is included! I've even heard them argue, "But the busses are FREE! Why would they put us on a bus for FREE if they were going to charge us to get in???" :confused3

It sounds nuts, but I hear those things every single trip.

These comments are just the tip of the iceberg the CMs will be dealing with for the next six weeks.

DiszyDeanette
08-13-2006, 12:04 PM
I agree this is CYA, although it will work out well for many families. I've been predicting a backlash against the DDP by those folks who thought the plan meant they'd just be able to walk up to a restaurant and eat. I've seen the calls to DDPers without ADRs as an effort to lessen that, and this tells me they've got a serious problem just around the corner.

I just can't see how anybody can not know they need ADRs. Every time I call Disney, they let me know how important ADRs are. And now, Disney is calling people to tell them too! I wouldn't go on vacation anywhere and assume I didn't need reservations for a nice sit-down dinner. A friend of mine went to DL recently and made all her reservations well ahead of time for restaurants in LA. People who fail to plan, plan to fail. :confused3

lovehoney
08-13-2006, 12:25 PM
Has anyone heard anymore about this exchage? How will you make the exchange from TS to CS? At your resort? at the counter service?

I think it will work for my family. I have 2 little ones and sometimes we get to the end of the day and they are just too cranky to take to a TS.

bicker
08-13-2006, 01:35 PM
Your hotel's front desk can help you convert TS credits to CS credits, on a one-for-one basis (and, of course, just that one way: TS to CS). FWIR, they have you wait until either you're out of CS credits, or the end of your trip (to help guard against folks changing their minds).

HaleyB
08-13-2006, 06:08 PM
Has anyone heard anymore about this exchage? How will you make the exchange from TS to CS? At your resort? at the counter service?

I think it will work for my family. I have 2 little ones and sometimes we get to the end of the day and they are just too cranky to take to a TS.

Here is what I was told today on the phone: All you need to do is tell whoever is ringing you up at the CS location that you wish to use a TS credit. They will then give you a voucher for your choice of a pin and lanyard, a poster, or 2 snack items. You may do this as often as you like or as little as you like. If only 1 person in your party has an extra TS credit that is fine, it does NOT have to be the entire party.

bicker
08-13-2006, 06:25 PM
Neat new option. It's still not a good exchange, for my money, but now that it's official, it should be a lot easier.

JimMIA
08-13-2006, 07:16 PM
Neat new option. It's still not a good exchange, for my money, but now that it's official, it should be a lot easier.
Actually, it's a great option for my money IF I have TS credits I'm not going to use. I know, shame on me and all that -- but it's sure a whole lot better than nothing.

As I said at the outset, I think this is more of a riot-control device than a dramatic new breakthrough in maximizing the DDP, but it will work well for some who didn't "get it" with ADRs.

I also thought the potential use during F&W was intriguing.

luv2playallday
08-13-2006, 10:03 PM
Okay here's a spin on this. When they are converting your TS credits to CS how will you know if they are using an AC or CC? I am guessing they won't be seperating the 2 credits.

miss missy
08-13-2006, 10:38 PM
I agree this is CYA, although it will work out well for many families. I've been predicting a backlash against the DDP by those folks who thought the plan meant they'd just be able to walk up to a restaurant and eat. I've seen the calls to DDPers without ADRs as an effort to lessen that, and this tells me they've got a serious problem just around the corner. I think Disney realized that this IS one of those rare situations where "Failure to plan on your part DOES constitute an emergency on my part."

The proposal, if true, is not a perfect solution, but at least it gives families some other options.

Those of us here on the DIS can get all smug and call the non-planners "clueless," but they still paid a lot of money for their vacations, they're newbies just like we all were once, and Disney wants them to have a great visit.

And if WDW "vets" act like they usually do, I'm sure there will be a lot of frequent visitors taking time to help and advise the newbies - just like the help most of us got on our first visit.

I got a call from DDP last week that said someting like "Dining is very busy, please check your reservations" ... So they are trying to get people to think ahead.

miss missy
08-13-2006, 10:44 PM
Your hotel's front desk can help you convert TS credits to CS credits, on a one-for-one basis (and, of course, just that one way: TS to CS). FWIR, they have you wait until either you're out of CS credits, or the end of your trip (to help guard against folks changing their minds).

huh????

miss missy
08-13-2006, 10:48 PM
Here is what I was told today on the phone: All you need to do is tell whoever is ringing you up at the CS location that you wish to use a TS credit. They will then give you a voucher for your choice of a pin and lanyard, a poster, or 2 snack items. You may do this as often as you like or as little as you like. If only 1 person in your party has an extra TS credit that is fine, it does NOT have to be the entire party.

So we can use the 2 snacks later???

Disneyland_emily
08-14-2006, 12:48 AM
From what I know...

When you arrive at the chosen CS place- just let them know you want to use a TS credit for the meal and the CS place will give the voucher (and a receipt with the voucher) Hold on to BOTH as BOTH will be required for voucher redemption

The snack option can be used at any time BUT both snacks MUST be redeemed at the same time (none of the 1 now 1 later...) Take both items to the register at any location that accepts them (same as any place that takes the normal snack plans) and present both the voucher and the receipt-

For the poster/lanyard... Take the voucher and receipt to a particapating location (the voucher lists all the places on the back- aka most hotel gift shops) and you are good to go..

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As a Merchandise CM I was surprised how many vouchers we received on the first day and will be interested to see how many we get over the next few weeks...

castleri
08-14-2006, 07:00 AM
From what I know...

When you arrive at the chosen CS place- just let them know you want to use a TS credit for the meal and the CS place will give the voucher (and a receipt with the voucher) Hold on to BOTH as BOTH will be required for voucher redemption

The snack option can be used at any time BUT both snacks MUST be redeemed at the same time (none of the 1 now 1 later...) Take both items to the register at any location that accepts them (same as any place that takes the normal snack plans) and present both the voucher and the receipt-

For the poster/lanyard... Take the voucher and receipt to a particapating location (the voucher lists all the places on the back- aka most hotel gift shops) and you are good to go..

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As a Merchandise CM I was surprised how many vouchers we received on the first day and will be interested to see how many we get over the next few weeks...

Could you give some specifics as to the lanyard/pin selection - knowing we have a couple of extra TS meals because of being off site oone day this might be a good choice at the beginning of the trip to allow the children to have their pins and lanyards to start with.

A counter service meal at PM and two snacks would also be a good trade.

Lewisc
08-14-2006, 08:16 AM
Probably 3 CS credits for 1 TS meal would be a fair swap, 2 CS credits for 1 TS meal would favor Disney. Two snacks isn't fair value.

No problem if Disney is doing this to accomodate guests who don't enjoy TS meals. I have a problem if Disney oversold the free plan and Disney is using the CS swap and room service option as a poor value way to compensation for poor planning on Disney's part.

The question isn't if an individual guest could have solved the problem by making ADRs, the question is does Disney have enough restaurant capacity to accomodate all the guests? It's not the kind of meal I'd be looking for but Disney could, and might be, opening some temporary restaurants. Can be as simple as converting a CS restaurant to a buffet TS restaurant.

Disneyland_emily
08-14-2006, 11:12 AM
>>Could you give some specifics as to the lanyard/pin selection - knowing we have a couple of extra TS meals because of being off site oone day this might be a good choice at the beginning of the trip to allow the children to have their pins and lanyards to start with.<<

Currently its a royal blue lanyard with one of two airplane pins on it. I don't know if its going to be the same for the whole promotion or not. Its a nice looking lanyard-


-em

bicker
08-14-2006, 11:23 AM
No problem if Disney is doing this to accomodate guests who don't enjoy TS meals. I have a problem if Disney oversold the free plan and Disney is using the CS swap and room service option as a poor value way to compensation for poor planning on Disney's part. The question isn't if an individual guest could have solved the problem by making ADRs, the question is does Disney have enough restaurant capacity to accomodate all the guests?And I believe the answer is unequivocally yes. I don't believe that there has been an evening yet where, at 5PM, every single table in every single TS restaurant, in every single park and every single resort, has been completely booked. The problems I've read about were simply situations where a guest either waited until 6PM or 7PM or 8PM to start thinking about where to eat dinner, or refused to accept that at the last minute they'd have fewer choices and might even have to travel a bit to have a nice dinner.

Mom of Sleepy, Bashful and BabyDoc
08-14-2006, 12:45 PM
Found this interesting. We wanted to possibly change our ADR for Concourse SH on 8/21. So I called Dining to see what was available. We are a party of 5, so I realize that there would be more options for parties of 2,3 or 4. I asked her to look for ANYTHING from 5:30pm to 7:00pm (we have 3 children so we don't want to eat later than that) and she said the computer would look for half an hour more from the time I gave her. Here is all that was available.

Biergarten 5:35pm or 7:30pm
GF Cafe 6:50pm
Marakesh 6:00pm
Maya Grill 5:30pm
9 Dragons 6:00pm
Trails End Buffet 5:40pm or 6:30pm
Yacht. Steakhouse 5:55pm (2TS)


I wasn't surprised that YSH was avail. since that is a 2TS rest.. I also wasn't surprised that none of the top rest. were available(except YSH). Maybe they were for smaller parties.

And keep in mind this is a full week out!! :earseek:

Man, I am glad I've got our ADR's and also glad WDW is calling people.

tracys2cents
08-14-2006, 12:50 PM
Off topic I know....but since there are some DDP experts here....I just want to make sure it's okay to eat at the same restaurant more than once in the same week on the DDP? (We have two different reservations at Boma.)

Mom of Sleepy, Bashful and BabyDoc
08-14-2006, 12:54 PM
::yes:: Off topic I know....but since there are some DDP experts here....I just want to make sure it's okay to eat at the same restaurant more than once in the same week on the DDP? (We have two different reservations at Boma.)

Mom of Sleepy, Bashful and BabyDoc
08-14-2006, 12:55 PM
sorry, double post. My computer's going bonkers today. :rolleyes:

HaleyB
08-14-2006, 04:56 PM
Probably 3 CS credits for 1 TS meal would be a fair swap, 2 CS credits for 1 TS meal would favor Disney. Two snacks isn't fair value. It is for a child's credit.

No problem if Disney is doing this to accomodate guests who don't enjoy TS meals. I have a problem if Disney oversold the free plan and Disney is using the CS swap and room service option as a poor value way to compensation for poor planning on Disney's part.
I agree.


The question isn't if an individual guest could have solved the problem by making ADRs, the question is does Disney have enough restaurant capacity to accomodate all the guests? It's not the kind of meal I'd be looking for but Disney could, and might be, opening some temporary restaurants. Can be as simple as converting a CS restaurant to a buffet TS restaurant.

They did add lunch hours to a few places, and opened a buffet in the MK that will be walk-ups only. I saw two CM's report this. I will try to find details and repost it later on tonight.

I think it is poor planning on guests part that is the problem, but Disney's bad is the total lack of information given to people who book the DDP at the time they book it. If not for sites like this we would have known nothing in time to book anything last year. Disney needs to send out information packets when people book the plan.

miss missy
08-14-2006, 04:57 PM
Off topic I know....but since there are some DDP experts here....I just want to make sure it's okay to eat at the same restaurant more than once in the same week on the DDP? (We have two different reservations at Boma.)

Oh gosh of course you can! You could eat all your TS meals there if you choose, no one can tell you where to spend your money or your vouchers.

miss missy
08-14-2006, 05:01 PM
This new option will be great for us. We hate having to be anywhere at any time when we are at WDW, so although I made all my ADR's, I will most likely now cancel some and use this new option :) I like it very much!

HaleyB
08-14-2006, 08:58 PM
Additional Food & Beverage Offerings and Operating Hour Changes Dates and times are subject to change - August 13 - September 4:

Chef Mickey’s (Disney’s Contemporary Resort) - open for lunch from 12:30 p.m. - 3 p.m.

Ohana (Disney’s Polynesian Resort) - will open until 12 noon for breakfast
Ohana (Disney’s Polynesian Resort) - will open at 4 p.m. for dinner

Grand Floridian Café (Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort & Spa) - will open at 4 p.m. for dinner

Concourse Steakhouse (Disney’s Contemporary Resort) - will open at 4:30 p.m. for dinner

Boma (Disney’s Animal Kingdom Lodge) - will open at 4:30 p.m. every day of the week

Liberty Tree Tavern (Magic Kingdom® Park) - operating hours for dinner will be the same as Cinderella’s Royal Table

Crystal Palace (Magic Kingdom® Park) - operating hours for dinner will be the same as Cinderella’s Royal Table

Tomorrowland Terrace Café (Magic Kingdom® Park) - buffet dinner, served from 5 p.m. - 9 p.m. (walk-up only)


Other Options:
Spirit of Aloha Dinner Show (Disney’s Polynesian Resort) - open for the following sixth days with two shows per day (2 TS pts) - Aug. 20, 27th and Sept. 3rd

Mickey’s Backyard Barbeque (Disney’s Ft. Wilderness Resort) - open for additional shows (2 TS pts) - Aug.18, 25th and Sept.1st

This was posted by a CM, and I saw it again on another site posted by someone else. I do not know when they opened the ADR's for the extra shows and hours.

Sammie
08-14-2006, 10:24 PM
This was posted by a CM, and I saw it again on another site posted by someone else. I do not know when they opened the ADR's for the extra shows and hours.

It started on Sunday with Free Dining.