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timandlesley
08-08-2006, 06:47 PM
I am so upset. Just got the AllEars newsletter and the offerings for the 2007 dining plan STINK. I'm so upset about the lack of offerings at Epcot again. It was like this when they first released it and now they are back down to only about 3 -5 restaraunts left, BIG BUMMER! Alfredo's and Teppenyaki our favorites are no longer accepted.

Here are the details:
The Disney Dining Plan is now available to use for In-Room Private Dining. TWO table service credits will be deducted from your Dining Plan for each meal, which will include the following items:
--Juice (at breakfast)
--Appetizer (at lunch and dinner)
--Entree
--Dessert (at lunch and dinner)
--Non-alcoholic beverage

This is for single serving portions only, and does not include hospitality platters, amenities, or merchandise.

A number of other changes to the Disney Dining Plan will become effective in 2007:

-- There will be no participating restaurants at Coronado Springs Resort.
-- Dining Plan can be used for In-Room Dining (as described above).
-- Dining Plan can be used for dinner shows, seating Categories 2 and 3 only.
-- Dining Plan can NOT be used at pool bars.
-- Dining Plan can NOT be used at any Downtown Disney location except Cap'n Jack's Restaurant.
-- Aunt Polly's deleted from Magic Kingdom list of participating restaurants.
-- The following Epcot locations deleted from the list of participating restaurants: Boulangerie Patisserie, Chefs de France, Cantina de San Angel, San Angel Restaurant, L'Originale Alfredo di Roma, Lotus Blossom, Nine Dragons, Tangierine Cafe, Restaurant Marrakesh, Yakitori House, Mitsukoshi Teppanyaki, Refreshment Outpost, Refreshment Port.
-- Toluca Legs Turkey added to the list of participating Disney-MGM Studios restaurants.
-- The following Animal Kingdom locations deleted from the list of participating restaurants: Dino Bites and Petrifries

http://allearsnet.com/din/restnews.htm (http://m1e.net/c?39071271-sLBogS/DLJ.eI%401824668-Ez8VkIBYyiFmo)

Lostgirlz
08-08-2006, 06:56 PM
Yep looks like 07 packages were not as good as we all hoped they would be since they held out this long to release them. I personally thought since they pushed the release dates back to this late in the year they were going to have at least a pretty good package deal to offer, but nope nothing worth getting excited about. I am also bummed about the dining plan issue. I had 3 ressies that are no longer on the plan. :bride:

pearlieq
08-08-2006, 07:23 PM
I'm pretty cheesed about the Epcot thing too! That really, really stinks! I don't want to have to devote time and mental energy to trying to remember who takes the plan and who doesn't. It was much more attractive when it offered across the board acceptance.

Time to crunch numbers and see if it's actually worth it. Before I was willing to pay a little more just for the carefree aspect of it. Now I'm not so sure...

lsg1
08-08-2006, 07:44 PM
Just to verify, the 2007 change will take effect in 2007? All my ADRs in Epcot restaurants for my trip in 2 weeks will still all be honored, right?

GotFids
08-08-2006, 07:45 PM
oh great...im the idiot who just started a thread about giving this a shot...just sent in my deposit to AAA and now this??? maybe I can stop it. This is what i was worried about....too much trouble to be worthwhile...I'll just save my $$ and use it on any place we choose to eat.

gwcollins71
08-08-2006, 07:49 PM
I saw this too. It totally stinks. The Epcot rest. must have been losing money with it. I can't believe Marrakesh is off. Its almost never crowded.

I'm glad we're going this year and not next.

Gretchen

alicenwonder99
08-08-2006, 07:54 PM
What does "seating category 2 and 3" mean??

Nevermind...I found a thread explaining it. :)

Dizneydaz
08-08-2006, 08:03 PM
Category 2 and 3 are for two of the dinner shows. They are going to start having tiered pricing based on table location.

I think the new changes stink too :sad2: -esp. re: Epcot. The first time we had the plan-Jan. 05, there were very few at Epcot-looks like they are going back to it.

I'm going to try to do Alfredo's this time since I probably won't do it next year. Also, the elimination of all but one at DD is a surprise.

Lostgirlz
08-08-2006, 08:09 PM
Yes it starts jan 1 07. If you are going this year you should be safe still, but remember it does say they can change it at anytime. You can still make adr's for any of the venues, but dining informed me they were told they have to let you know when making the ressie that they may or may not participate in the plan and you will be required to pay oop when you make the reservation and eat there if they decided not to go back on the plan. :bride:

LilyWDW
08-08-2006, 08:32 PM
Just spoke to my DM... looks like we will go sans dining plan for next year so that we can have a full choice of where we wish to eat, esp in Epcot. We do not like being limited like that. Will just have to save a bit more money then originally, no big deal.

MinnieGi
08-08-2006, 09:15 PM
We were just there two weeks ago and soooo enjoyed the DDP!! We had already talked about definetly getting it for next time too. It just made the whole vacation so easy and fun!! I'm bummed too about the Epcot restaurants. We usually stay in the Epcot resort area and use their WS restaurants the most for both TS and CS. Many of the ones we ate at this trip are off for '07. DH is going to be very bummed too. :(

ilovepooh
08-08-2006, 10:01 PM
I love the DDP, but am disappointed with the changes. I will try it next year and just live with what's available due to $. It makes more sense for us to have it. If enough people use DDP, then maybe those rest. not listed will suffer and be put back on the list. ??????

Is there a reason listed somewhere explaining the big change? I wonder if free dining had any impact, but then why did they offer it??????

zipuzee
08-08-2006, 10:15 PM
Bummer! We were just there and loved the plan. Definitely paid for itself 2-3 times over. We only go to WDW every 4-6 years so maybe when we go back it will be good again!!

kimlam1
08-08-2006, 10:37 PM
I totally agree the new plan stinks. I did my calculations on where we would eat and it would be less expensive to eat without the dining plan. With the quality of food issues of late I'll be changing my plans to only eat at select restaurants and to eat more off-site next year. :sad2:

Kim

Castillo Mom
08-09-2006, 01:52 AM
Has anyone listened to the most recent DIS podcast? It seems there's a strong possibility that Disney is still in negotiations with several dining venues, so maybe we should all wait and see how things pan out before getting too upset.

As far as Pepper Market is concerned, if you call Disney Dining they'll tell you it was left out of the brochure in error, CS credits can still be used there under the new plan.

Next year will be our first time trying out the dining plan - let's hope things work out.

bicker
08-09-2006, 06:08 AM
According to some members, this is normal routine for the Dining Plan. Disney can only confirm their own restaurants -- they cannot announced that restaurants they don't own will participate next year, until the contracts are signed (and it makes sense that contracts for 2007 will be signed in the later part of the year, not in the Summer!)

I'm going to try to find some of the messages from last year, when probably these same discussions took place.

drsanvil
08-09-2006, 09:21 AM
We called for ADR's for Feb last night and were told that some of the restaurants that were pending earlier in the week are already back on the plan. The CM said she could check for us individually - by restaurant- to see if they were included. She also said that many were still pending. We did not have time to check all.

A suggestion - RELAX!! I think many will be back on - just give it some time.

ksjayhawkfan
08-09-2006, 09:35 AM
ITA. This is the same thing that happened when it was first released. Then all the Epcot places joined in as well as Coronado Springs.

Kanga1
08-09-2006, 10:35 AM
Ok...I went and searched through my files (cause I print everything off) and found the online Dining Brochure from a previous year. I haven't gone through it with a fine tooth comb, but half of the Epcot restaurants are missing as well as everything in DTD except Cap'n Jacks. I cannot find a date on it anywhere, but it's got to be from this past year or the year before. I know that the restaurants were indeed on the DDP this past year (cause we used it) , but am not aware if they were all on the list the year before (2005) as we did DDE. Can anyone verify? So maybe they will again be added? One can hope! We LOVE the convenience of the DDP!! :thumbsup2

timandlesley
08-09-2006, 10:48 AM
I sure hope so. I'll be anxiously awaiting some additions. I am going to listen to the podcast others are referring to, because I hear it offers hope. Thanks!

Lesley

bluejasmine
08-09-2006, 11:28 AM
Ok...I went and searched through my files (cause I print everything off) and found the online Dining Brochure from a previous year. I haven't gone through it with a fine tooth comb, but half of the Epcot restaurants are missing as well as everything in DTD except Cap'n Jacks. I cannot find a date on it anywhere, but it's got to be from this past year or the year before. I know that the restaurants were indeed on the DDP this past year (cause we used it) , but am not aware if they were all on the list the year before (2005) as we did DDE. Can anyone verify? So maybe they will again be added? One can hope! We LOVE the convenience of the DDP!! :thumbsup2
Oh how I hope this will be the case! Otherwise DDP is just not worth it! Or atleast in my opinion..

calypso*a*go-go
08-09-2006, 11:44 AM
Everyone's is just going to have to wait and see what happens over the next couple of months. If the DDP ends up not having as many restaurants, I just hope everyone sticks to their guns and doesn't get the plan. Afterall, Disney has increased prices twice in one year (and who knows what will happen in '07) and seems to be taking benefits away instead of adding. All I can say is the "Year of a Million Dreams" better be something spectacular or Disney may find their attendance numbers down in '07.

MinnieGi
08-09-2006, 12:08 PM
Oh yeah it sounds like there is hope from what other posters are saying. I hope so b/c we really liked it in July and hope to do it again in Feb. '07!

JulyGirl
08-09-2006, 12:44 PM
I can't imagine leaving all of those Epcot restaurants off of the plan. I'm sure additions will be added in the near future.

Al and Kate's Mom
08-09-2006, 12:44 PM
Just out of curiosty - would anyone not go to Disney because of this?

Lewisc
08-09-2006, 01:04 PM
The issue isn't just the missing EPCOT restaurants. Le Cellier and Coral Reef are both good alternatives. The problem is those restaurants are already booked and overbooked. Without restaurants like Chefs some guests may not be able to get an Epcot reservation at one of the better restaurants for a decent dinner time. I'm pretty sure Chefs de France is one of the larger restaurants.

My issue isn't with the reduced restaurant list so much as concern with my ability to get ADRs. I generally book my trips 60-90 days in advance.

Lostgirlz
08-09-2006, 01:31 PM
You know them holding back the packages for 07 like they did and claiming to be listening to guests to make the packages perfect was obviously not the whole truth of it, but more of a sugar coat for the push back. I honestly have to say I will go and have a nice and memorable time on our first trip to disney and our honeymoon we are doing in feb, but yeah the issue with the dining plan has put us off a bit. We wanted to get the dining plan to off a variety of experiences without breaking the bank, but we were not looking to go the cheap route either as we had planed to pay oop for 7-8 meals anyway, but wanted to use the package for places we were unsure of and wanted to try for a new experience, but 3 of my ressies are no in pending mode and I looked at menus over and over for the last month trying to plan ressies, now I am having to disscuss with my DFH what to do now that this has happend. I don't want to say cancel my ressies that are no longer on the plan, but I darn sure want a back up plan. I find the 07 year of a million dreams has started off less than a magical fairytale, and more of a oh darn wake up. I sure hope they pull something out of the hat before next year to add to the promotion for the new thing. If they are going to increase price lose half the places, and start a new promotion something needs to be done to make this all look more appealing to people planning their trips. :bride:

JimMIA
08-09-2006, 02:15 PM
Just out of curiosty - would anyone not go to Disney because of this?
Would this cause us not to go? Naw.

Would it cause us to eat offsite? Oh yeah, absolutely.

If we're going to eat offsite, would we go to other parks other than Disney? Yes, we would surely go to Sea World because our DD4 would love it, and we might go to Universal.

Would we do a trip where we stay at DVC but never set foot in a Disney park? Yes, good possibility. We've been wanting to do other things anyway, and there'd be no reason to stay onsite the whole time.

Would we make one trip next year instead of our normal two? We might well do that. Not just because of the dining plan, but because we have other options.

Would we bank our points and skip 2007 altogether? We might -- not just because of the dining plan, but because we've been wanting to take another Boston trip to see relatives and a western National Parks trip.

We don't go to WDW to eat, but the dining plan does make WDW more or less attractive than other options.

Also, if we choose any of those non-Disney options, the whole portfolio of other things Disney comes into play -- especially our 3 AP renewals.

bluejasmine
08-09-2006, 02:35 PM
Just out of curiosty - would anyone not go to Disney because of this?
Oh no! We've been several times where we just ate CS and a TS the night of arrival and the last night. I have been fortunate to enjoy the DDP fee last Aug and now later this month. My reasonson for going to WDW was never the food in the first place its just a nice plus sometimes. It has been nice going to so many TS places that I might not have been able to enjoy if paying OOP because frankly, my family cant afford it we are lucky to be able to afford the package and eat CS.
You know LewisC I didnt even think about how much worse it was gonna be to get ARDs at certain restaurants now that they may be one of the few left on the DDP..Hmm thats not a good thing..

pennyplanner
08-09-2006, 04:08 PM
FYI

Last year when we booked for our Thanksgiving trip, the DDP offered similar choices to the present restaurant listings i.e. limited Epcot and DDD locations.

But lo and behold, many more were added (much to our satisfaction. ;) )

Hang in there folks! I think the list will grow. It did last year!!!

--penny
:goodvibes

PlutoLuvr
08-09-2006, 04:20 PM
Just out of curiosty - would anyone not go to Disney because of this?

Heck, no! We still visit the parks, but we now stay off site. Instead of being the Disney "purists" we once were, we've ventured to other Orlando hot spots...in all honesty, what prompted that initial venture was looking for a decent meal that didn't require a reservation months out. We found out we really enjoyed the nightlife and dinner options to be had in other places right outside of WDW. It also put us back in control over our $$$.

But, no...my love of the mouse is just that. My love of good food and other vacation-related things I've just learned to separate out when I go to Orlando.

bicker
08-09-2006, 05:19 PM
Sometimes I worry about what I read on these threads because it sounds like some folks seem predisposed to being dissatisfied. It is really important to look at offerings as "zero, plus" instead of "one billion, minus", i.e., what is being offered -- not what isn't being offered. Otherwise, there is a very high likelihood that you'll be disappointed with one thing after another in life.

Mackey Mouse
08-09-2006, 05:21 PM
Good response Bicker. I agree.

Al and Kate's Mom
08-09-2006, 06:54 PM
It seems like everyone is pretty close to agreement - Disney is Disney and we love it, no matter what :cool1:

timandlesley
08-09-2006, 06:58 PM
Oh yeah, not saying I don't love Disney, I'm obsessed. If you read my trip report you'd see my appreciation of it. I already booked our WL package plus dining for next year. I was simply venting about many of our favorites not included at Epcot anymore that I would truly miss eating at. Especially after trying Alfredo's for the first time this year and loving it. I am happy to see I probably jumped the gun though and that these restaraunts will probably end up being added anyway, YES!

Lesley

LilyWDW
08-11-2006, 04:57 PM
My biggest issue is that I have to tell family members who are on a strict budget how much the trip will cost them asap... which means I have to make a call NOW on if the DDP is worth it to us. ATM, with this announcement, it is not worth it to us due to the current limitations. I can not really hold on, because I need to book this trip soon (I don't want to deal with it all while also in classes) and I can't add it later because the decision has already been made at a certien cost.

Really not that big of a deal anyways... I had been questioning it as it was because I do not believe some of my family would get a good deal out of it and it would not be fair to them to force them on it.

JimMIA
08-11-2006, 05:25 PM
My biggest issue is that I have to tell family members who are on a strict budget how much the trip will cost them asap... which means I have to make a call NOW on if the DDP is worth it to us. ATM, with this announcement, it is not worth it to us due to the current limitations. I can not really hold on, because I need to book this trip soon (I don't want to deal with it all while also in classes) and I can't add it later because the decision has already been made at a certien cost.

Really not that big of a deal anyways... I had been questioning it as it was because I do not believe some of my family would get a good deal out of it and it would not be fair to them to force them on it.
Your family will get great value from DDP if the plan itself makes sense for them based on their family composition and what they would spend if they were not on the dining plan.

If they would normally do a nice dinner or character meal once a day, they can't do that onsite at WDW for less than $38 per adult per day. That's completely disregarding ALL of the CS and snacks that comes with the plan, and only considering the most expensive meal each day.

If they would normally eat at less expensive restaurants offsite and either not do character meals, or can pay cash for them, they may be better off without the dining plan.

Either way...they will have a spectacular time!

Lostgirlz
08-11-2006, 07:13 PM
I called today given the airline issues incase we can't make it to our depature day breakfast at boma's I would at least be able to do it on the day we had actually planned on doing breakfast room service oh well we will hit mgm that day we have lunch ressies there that day. Dinner is in epcot. they dining plan is still pending on the listed venues I asked today. I went ahead and made ressies at reglan road anyway I want to try it and just gonna pay oop. :bride: