Over 500 restaurants in WDW. Why???

[Hixski]

I am posting this on the adults board because there was a similar thread not too long ago. Got really nasty and closed. I just watched the special on my DVR about WDW and the food they have there. They said that there are over 500 different places you can get food in WDW. 500!!! My question is this? How many of you adults and solos would like to see a couple of adult only restaurants in WDW. And no flames from families because they want their children to eat at V&A. I am asking the adults coming w/o children and solos. Maybe this will keep the discussion from becoming mean. :thumbsup2

[Mouseknut]

Ill go ahead and post as an adult with children if it's ok? Personally, with all of the places to eat at "The World", I see no reason why they shouldnt have a couple of "Adult only" restaurants. I mean heck, they built Pleasure Island didn't they and that is considered an adult "playground". I think it would be a great idea for kid-free adults and singles to be able to get away from the kids they see at the parks all day for a nice peaceful meal. :banana:

[wendy46001]

You know i've never thought about that...I mean they have adult only restaurants on the cruise ships?? But i've always found if you stick to the higher end Vic&Als, Citrico, Blue Zoo...kids are normally slim to non

[Hixski]

You know i've never thought about that...I mean they have adult only restaurants on the cruise ships?? But i've always found if you stick to the higher end Vic&Als, Citrico, Blue Zoo...kids are normally slim to non

Exactly. That was where the big arguments came from. WDW is for the kids. No need for any adult only restaurants. The people that argued the hardest where the ones who took small children into all the places and did not care if they disturbed anyone. There are certainly not 500 places to eat on the cruise ship yet they have Palos.

I was just wondering how many would like to see a couple adult only places. With so many coming for weddings, honeymoons and anniversarys it would be nice. We will be there for out 21st anniversary this year. No one is advocating making Chef Mickeys adults only for cryng out loud. Just a couple out of 500. :sunny:

[Simba's Mom]

WDW is NOT just for kids! Lately, I've noticed lots of people coming to these boards looking for a romantic restuarant to celebrate an anniversary or honeymoon. So maybe out of 500 restuarants, they could have one or two that cater to the romance/quiet/adult only crowd.

[erikthewise]

On a side note, the claim that there are "over 500 different places you can get food in WDW" appears to be bogus. (I note that the OP made it clear that she was just repeating this claim.) The menus at allearsnet.com are as complete as humanly possible, and they list roughly 225 distinct places you can "get food" at WDW, basically anything more permanent than an ice-cream cart, and including many places with very limited menus. As far as TS restaurants are concerned (which is all that is relevant to the topic raised), I think there are roughly 100.

Although there may not be any strictly adults-only restaurtants, Shula's Steakhouse at the Dolphin is the next best thing, making it clear children are not welcome. They note on their menu that they do not have a children's menu. In addition children of adult patrons can stay in the Dolphin Club for free! (last I heard) But presumably teens are welcome if they order from the standard menu.

For the record I have no problem with a small number of adult-only restaurants, but where are you going to put them? Adult-only restaurants in the parks don't make any sense, except maybe someplace like the "upstairs" Bistro de Paris in Epcot. And if you put one in a resort, it dramatically reduces the dining options for guests with children at that resort unless there are multiple dining spots nearby. It seems the most sensible places would be at DTD or GF. Make someplace like Fulton's or Portobello Yacht Club adults-only and the kids will never miss it. Or maybe someplace on the Boardwalk like Big River Grill.

[PghLybrt]

That would make my day!! I know there are tons of children at Disney and I do expect them (and appreciate them). However I want some adult time while in the World. Heck we can’t go on that pirate cruise (we are to old!!) so what’s wrong with making a place for adults?

[spiceycat]

you can tell by the menu which are children friendly and which are NOT.

go look at Whispering Canyon (very kid friendly) and compare it to Artist Pointe (not kid friendly)

the Polyn both restuarants are kid friendly. so it needs one.

the Grand Floridan has V&A already - but someone says it allows teen.

to me teens can be a BIGGER problem than little ones.

the Cont - again compare Chef Mickeys to the California Grill....

Disney tries to discourage children by not having anything on the printed menu that appeals to kids. of course some adults have learned Disney chef will make anything - and go that route. So it is the adults fault not the kids who had to go someplace that they didn't enjoy.

[maddhatir]

That would be great!

However, the "better" restaurants that do not really cater to children are all 2 TS credits-- thats no fair! DH and I dont have kids and I would like to dine in a nice restaurant w/o having to give up 2 of my credits just to get a good meal! :confused3

[BillSears]

I'd rather see a no rude patrons restaurant. I've seen many children behave flawlessly at restaurants and I've seen alot of adult idiots out there. I realize that it's alot easier to enforce an age limit. But age lmits don't always solve the problems.

BTW there is a spot in WDW that does enforce an age limit. It's Jellyrolls. Jellyrolls is 21 and over only. I think there may also be a club or 2 in PI that enforces an age limit.

[OKW Lover]

Adult only restaurant? Heck, I'd be happy if the adults would act like adults, no matter what restaurant.

Oh yes, and doesn't anybody take their hat off indoors anymore?

[I Love Pluto]

[QUOTE=OKW Lover]Adult only restaurant? Heck, I'd be happy if the adults would act like adults, no matter what restaurant.

Agree!!!! Some adults make most kids seem WELL BEHAVED!!!! :wave:

[bab31]

I think it would be nice. Doesnt matter if it is in a park or not.

There are all kinds of people out there and all kinds of behaviors.

[Hixski]

DH and I took the 7 day Western cruise last year. Palos was wonderful. (If there were obnoxious adults we did not see them. By the pool yes,but that is a different story). :rotfl2: It was just nice not to hear a baby crying and a 2 year old meltdown. Everyone knows that there are wonderful children but there are also the holy terrors from hell. And the folks that have those children usually think they are cute. I would just like to see a restaurant like Palos. And just because a restaurant does not have a childs menu or does not seem child friendly does not mean that people will not take their kids in anyway. I know V&A would be considered adult only, but maybe just one more a little less pricey. Then adults could have V&A and another choice.

I promise not to be an obnoxious adult if we can just have one adult only place. Jellyrolls does not count either. ;)

[deltachi8]

I have no interst in it because when I travel solo, I am there to be a kid. I get enough of being a grown up in th real world.

But to each their own.

[tarheelmjfan]

I'm going to break the rule too, because we have a teenager. ;) I think a few adults only restaurants would be great, as long as there were restaurants of equal quality that allowed kids. We won't take a Disney cruise, for the simple reason that the best restaurant is adults only. We sail on Celebrity instead. Our DS(14) enjoys fine dining as much as we do & has been to several upscale restaurants. I wouldn't be happy if we weren't able to go to V&A, because our DS is only 14. If there was another restaurant of equal quality to V&A, I don't see why one of them couldn't be adults only. Bottom line, don't make the best restaurants adults only, so families who have children with mature palates can't eat there, & I doubt too many people would object to adults only restaurants.

FWIW, I don't agree that teenagers can be more disruptive in restaurants than young kids. I say that for 2 reasons. No parent is going to pay fine dining prices for a group of teenagers to eat together. A teen alone with their parents acts very differently than they do when a bunch of them are together at the mall. Most young kids just can't sit still & talk in a low voice for a long period of time. Although, some can & act like little adults. They're definitely in the minority though. Any teen can understand how they're expected to act in a fine dining establishment. Since that's not really the topic at hand, I apologize for straying a bit. :)

[UrsulasShadow]

I don't see why they can't have "adults only" sections of restaurants...sort of like the "smoking" sections of olden times. Glass off a section of an existing restaurant, or make a separate room. Solve all the problems, wouldn't it? Families w/ children as well as solo adults could enjoy the same amenities, same food, same level of service, just not infringe upon each other so much.

[maddhatir]

I don't see why they can't have "adults only" sections of restaurants...sort of like the "smoking" sections of olden times. Glass off a section of an existing restaurant, or make a separate room. Solve all the problems, wouldn't it? Families w/ children as well as solo adults could enjoy the same amenities, same food, same level of service, just not infringe upon each other so much.
that is a good idea! :thumbsup2

FWIW, I don't agree that teenagers can be more disruptive in restaurants than young kids.
I agree, if teenagers are with their parents- that, to me, would not be an issue at all. But usually if teenagers are not with their parents- It might be another story. But you do not see many teenagers dining in a nice restaurant alone anyway.

I think the little ones are the topic of "concern".

[Laurafoster]

I agree, even though we are going as a large group this time with several young kids i think a couple of adult only restaurants wouldnt go amiss. Even if they did no children under the age of 16 say - usually they can behave themselves - although to be honest some in my family couldnt.

[tarheelmjfan]

I don't see why they can't have "adults only" sections of restaurants...sort of like the "smoking" sections of olden times. Glass off a section of an existing restaurant, or make a separate room. Solve all the problems, wouldn't it? Families w/ children as well as solo adults could enjoy the same amenities, same food, same level of service, just not infringe upon each other so much.


That's a great idea! :thumbsup2

OT, but this thread reminds me of a situation we encountered on our vacation a couple weeks ago. As I mentioned earlier, we like to eat good food. :teeth: During that week, we ate at Emeril's, Tchoup Chop, Mama Della's, & Mythos just to name a few. All of these are at Universal & all allow kids. We had some wonderful, fine dining experiences. The last part of our trip was at a great hotel & spa at Daytona Beach Shores. We had dinner the 1st night in their restaurant, Baleens. This is supposed to be a very nice restaurant w/ great food. It's another of those places where you really pay for the experience. :o The 3 of us sat down & were thoroughly enjoying the experience. Unfortunately, by the time our appetizers arrived, things started to go down hill quickly. There was a large group of adults who arrived together. We had to yell back & forth with our server to place our entree order. We skipped wine & dessert, because we couldn't stand the noise long enough to enjoy them. That was the most infuriated my DH & I have ever been at a restaurant anywhere. I just wanted to stand up & yell, "Shut up!!!" :furious: Moral of the story, people of any age can act inappropriately, & be totally rude, when they're together as a group. :sad2: So, when you petition WDW for the adult only restaurants, also put in a request for the restaurant to seat no more than 4 people at one table. ;)

[pezheadmeg]

I don't see why they can't have "adults only" sections of restaurants...sort of like the "smoking" sections of olden times. Glass off a section of an existing restaurant, or make a separate room. Solve all the problems, wouldn't it? Families w/ children as well as solo adults could enjoy the same amenities, same food, same level of service, just not infringe upon each other so much.


:thumbsup2

I flew Southwest back from Orlando last year on a Sunday, we had self segregation going on the plane!

The pre-boards with the 4 year old as well as Mom, Dad, Grandma, Grandpa, Aunt Sally, Uncle Harry, and Cousins It and Thing sat themselves all within the first few rows of the plane. :sad2: The last 5 rows or so ended up the single adult passengers in their 20's and 30's. We only saw the kids when they came back from the bathroom, all got along, and became the peanut gallery who responded to every flight attendent pun with full out sarcastic remarks. :rotfl:

I'm all now in favor of adults only seating. :drinking1 party: :drinking1

[wendy46001]

Have to admit, adult only at a restaurant, to me means no one under the age of 10...
I have no problem with teens and fine dinning...
Also have to say the first time i went to Vic&Als was in high school with a group of friends...long time ago...
but i guess we knew how to behave…..

[kennancat]

It's not officially adult-only, but if you want something cheaper than V&A, you could always try the Sand Trap Grill over at the golf course (Eagle Pines, I think?). I've been there a few times and I don't think I've ever seen anyone under the age of 18.

[Hixski]

OP here:

Thanks for all the replies so far. My main objective was to get answers from folks coming to WDW w/o children or solo. People on their honeymoon, anniversary or just without children. I am happy to see that folks with children would not mind to see at least 1 restaurant that is adults only.

The other thread deteriorated into a fight. The folks that could not believe anyone could want a adult only restaurant against the "My goodness, what is wrong with just 1 or 2 folks." My DH and I dine out alot. Fine dining to not so fine dining. The stuff that the 10 and under crowd do far outweighs what I have seen obnoxious adults do. You can ask a drunk adult to leave. But no one would ask a parent to leave that has a screaming 2 year old with the 5 year old running around. At least not that I have seen so far. I love kids but these parents do nothing and the staff cannot. :confused3 Anyhoo...just thought it would be nice to have 1 adult only place.

[Laurajean1014]

I would not be apposed to an all adult dining experience.

[spiceycat]

OP here:

You can ask a drunk adult to leave.

if you want to get hit....

if a child is a being a pain. just say in a very loud noise " Some people don't know how to raise children" or 'some people have no respect for others' or a thousand other things - the thing is say it LOUD.... if no reaction then say something similar EVEN LOUDER. believe me - either the child will seat down and behave - or the restuarant will move you to a quieter area.

drunks are much harder to deal with - they will hit you. Parents will generally not get that aggressive.

[DisneyMommyMichelle]

before kids i would have loved one!! now that i have kids...YUP i would still want one! DH and i would most likely go once the kids were older and we can put them in one of the kids clubs :)

[Hixski]

if you want to get hit....

if a child is a being a pain. just say in a very loud noise " Some people don't know how to raise children" or 'some people have no respect for others' or a thousand other things - the thing is say it LOUD.... if no reaction then say something similar EVEN LOUDER. believe me - either the child will seat down and behave - or the restuarant will move you to a quieter area.

drunks are much harder to deal with - they will hit you. Parents will generally not get that aggressive.

Trust me I know what to say. I am old enough to have been there done that. :rotfl2: It does not work usually. By the time someone does something my DH is usually the one ready to just leave. The area we live in has many new homes being built. I am talking hundreds of homes. Most people moving in have children under the age of 10. There are usually several groups of the above described children at any given time. We have alot of parents that would just at soon tell you to shut up and mind your own business. Actually seen it more than once.

As for the drunk.....I was definitely not talking about me saying something. I was referring to management. My DH was a bouncer in the olden days. I know what a drunk will do. But those are stories for the guests behaving badly thread. :lmao:

[spiceycat]

I have a loud voice and it carries.....

Parents will do something when you can get the entire restuarant to see their child behaving badly most of the time. Remember that Disney restuarant are loud - so you have got to make sure the parents as well as everyone surrounding you can heard you....

of course I have also run across the other type too - that is generally when the restuarant moves ME and my guest to a quiet location.

of course if the children are little - you can be evil :stir: and invite the children to sit at your table - you might be surprise at how many parents will react to this..... :teeth: :rolleyes1 :artist: if they say anything to you - just say you though the child was an orphan.... some people will laugh - others will get insulted.

when you check in the restuarant make sure that the person taking you a table knows that you don't want children anywhere near you....

and everytime she comes back with another guest - look her in the eye (to remind her) :rolleyes1

[Hixski]

I have a loud voice and it carries.....

Parents will do something when you can get the entire restuarant to see their child behaving badly most of the time. Remember that Disney restuarant are loud - so you have got to make sure the parents as well as everyone surrounding you can heard you....

of course I have also run across the other type too - that is generally when the restuarant moves ME and my guest to a quiet location.

of course if the children are little - you can be evil :stir: and invite the children to sit at your table - you might be surprise at how many parents will react to this..... :teeth: :rolleyes1 :artist: if they say anything to you - just say you though the child was an orphan.... some people will laugh - others will get insulted.

when you check in the restuarant make sure that the person taking you a table knows that you don't want children anywhere near you....

and everytime she comes back with another guest - look her in the eye (to remind her) :rolleyes1

Ooohhh, You are soooo bad. :rotfl2: Kids at Disney do not bother me. Everyone is on overload there. Including the adults. We tend to sit at the bar at most places to eat (like Applebees or TGI Fridays). Most people at the bar are not drunk at dinner hour. Those places are more restaurant than bar anyway. I am just tired of watching little Poindexter try to do a backflip off his chair and the parents think it is cute. Or worse they do not even care. :rotfl2:

[PrincessKitty1]

DH and I are childfree. That said, while I certainly wouldn't object to adult-only restaurants at WDW, I don't see the point. We go to WDW 6-8 times a year and have yet to see a misbehaving child in a restaurant. I think the most likely candidates for adult-only restaurants are parents who want a romantic dinner away from the kids! :)

Perhaps Disney could set up a Kid's Club (babysitting service) at certain restaurants to allow parents a little break and turn these restaurants into adult-only establishments.

[kaytieeldr]

I wouldn't be happy if we weren't able to go to V&A, because our DS is only 14. If there was another restaurant of equal quality to V&A, I don't see why one of them couldn't be adults only If there were another restaurant of equal quality to V & A, the prices would likely be equal or similar to those at V & A. How can it be reasonable to expect adults to spend a week's grocery money on ONE meal just so they/we can dine somewhere with no children around?

I don't see why they can't have "adults only" sections of restaurants...sort of like the "smoking" sections of olden times. Glass off a section of an existing restaurant, or make a separate room. But then which party type gets seated where? For example, California Grill has the Wine Room - but diners in the main room have relatively easy access-viewing of Wishes, plus three sides of that room are windows. Wine Room? I've never been seated there, but I'd think one wall of windows, tops... if any.

[HACAM]

Dh and I are going this September to WDW...just the two of us. We have 3 children, but I would love to see some adult only restaurants for couples who want to have a romantic dinner without any children, I think it is a good idea, as it seems there are more and more people going to WDW without children.

Just my two cents....

[tarheelmjfan]

If there were another restaurant of equal quality to V & A, the prices would likely be equal or similar to those at V & A. How can it be reasonable to expect adults to spend a week's grocery money on ONE meal just so they/we can dine somewhere with no children around?




Either I misread your post or you misread mine. :teeth: I think adult only restaurants are a great idea, as long as they don't take the best restaurants. I want to be able to dine with our DS(14) at nice restaurants. We wouldn't want to be forced to eat at inferior restaurants, just because we have a child. We don't like buffets or family style dining. Most of our favorites at WDW are signature restaurants & better restaurants in the resorts. If they do designate adult only restaurants, it would most likely be those. There's nothing equal to V&A, so I would hate to see it become adults only. The same could be said for the signature restaurants. For example, if they decide to make Yachtsman Steakhouse adults only, it wouldn't be right to do the same at California Grill. (FWIW, of the 2, I'd much rather they make YS adults only). There's many families with kids who enjoy fine dining. I'm all for them implementing adult only venues, just not for being banned at the best restaurants on property. As far as I'm concerned, they could make all character meals & buffets adult only. J/K :p For our family, AKL making Jiko adult only & leaving Boma for families would mean we wouldn't have a place to eat in the resort that we enjoy. If there was one dedicated to adults only, it would be Jiko. The point I was trying to make was, if they opened up another restaurant at AKL equal in quality to Jiko, having one adult only & one not, wouldn't negatively impact anyone's experience. That would be a win, win situation for everyone. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening either. My questions is, "How would they decide which restaurants to use?"

[UrsulasShadow]

But then which party type gets seated where? For example, California Grill has the Wine Room - but diners in the main room have relatively easy access-viewing of Wishes, plus three sides of that room are windows. Wine Room? I've never been seated there, but I'd think one wall of windows, tops... if any.
The way I see it, if you want to eat with adults only, you might have to make a choice...I like the Wine Room for this purpose, because it has a view of the water. If you need a view of the fireworks from your table, you might have to choose to sit with families. I don't see a problem with this particular scenario, though, because most folks go out onto the Observation Deck to view the fireworks, anyway.
I see your point on other restaurants, though. Some seats may be more desirable than others. I suggest taking an area that's easily enclosed, leaving a larger portion for family dining, and giving adults a choice between one or the other.

[tarheelmjfan]

I just had a thought. Either Citricos or Narcoossee's would be a good choice. Families staying at GF would still have a nice restaurant to dine at. Fulton's or Portobello Yacht Club would work too. In Epcot, Bistro De Paris is practically adults only anyway. They could make it officially a/o, since there's also Les Chefs de France. Since I don't really know what type of restaurants you guys would prefer to see adults only, I guess these would just be the places that would work for me. :blush:

[Flyerfan]

I would love to see an "adults only" restaurant, but one that is reasonably priced....not like V & A.

The "adults only" section might work also!

[PghLybrt]

How about another way to look at this. Yes ,some of us want “adult only” spaces because we want to be free of the kids, but I think some families would jump on the band wagon because they want their children to be away from some adults. (and yes my group of adults are probably a culprit, but honestly when we are at a restaurant like the California grill at 10pm we are not really watching our topic of conversation :rolleyes1 …chef Mickey’s we will watch our tongues)

That way people with children have no reason to complain about
people who do not have children, what they talk about and how they behave ect.

[tarheelmjfan]

I think some families would jump on the band wagon because they want their children to be away from some adults. (and yes my group of adults are probably a culprit, but honestly when we are at a restaurant like the California grill at 10pm we are not really watching our topic of conversation :rolleyes1 …chef Mickey’s we will watch our tongues)



No offense to you & the others in your group, but this is what I was referring to in one of my PP. We recently had our worst fine dining experience ever, due to a group of loud, "happy" adults. If there's going to be lots of noise anyway, why does it matter who's making it? My family's (DH, DS(14), & I) idea of a nice dinner includes enjoying our meal, while talking amongst ourselves about the food, our day, life, etc. We do not care nor do we want to know what is going on at the tables around us. If they can hear us or we can hear them, someone is being too loud & disruptive. My idea of the perfect "adult only" restaurant would have a nice quiet atmosphere, which is why I suggested earlier that tables for 2 or 4 would work best. It's great for a group to get together & have a blast. IMHO, a place where people are spending $200+ for 3 to dine isn't the place for that. As a side note, I wouldn't think there would be too many families with small kids dining at 10pm. If they are, they shouldn't be surprised when a group of adults in a "party friendly" restaurant get a little "happy". It was their choice to dine that late. JMO :)

[maddhatir]

Speaking of noise and who is making it......

DH and I have left a restaurant because of a whiny 2ish yr old child that the parents let run around their table...and whine. We left b/c they had JUST gotten there also and we would have had to deal with it during our entire meal. We just left the restaurant, didnt even asked to be moved.

And on the other hand--- me and my 2 SIL's went to the local golfcourse to have a nice dinner outside on their deck. We were seated by a table of about 5 golfers who just HAD to make sure we overheard them talking about their jobs and what they did, blah, blah :rolleyes: sorry guys- not easily impressed- we just wanted to have some drinks and relax- they were talking SO loudly-
This time, we asked to be moved.

So really- unless it's a "TGIFridays" kind of atmosphere- who wants to hear a bunch of noise- no matter who is making it?

BUT! I would still vote adults only OR adult section restaurant.

[PghLybrt]

No offense to you & the others in your group, but this is what I was referring to in one of my PP. We recently had our worst fine dining experience ever, due to a group of loud, "happy" adults. If there's going to be lots of noise anyway, why does it matter who's making it? My family's (DH, DS(14), & I) idea of a nice dinner includes enjoying our meal, while talking amongst ourselves about the food, our day, life, etc. We do not care nor do we want to know what is going on at the tables around us. If they can hear us or we can hear them, someone is being too loud & disruptive. My idea of the perfect "adult only" restaurant would have a nice quiet atmosphere, which is why I suggested earlier that tables for 2 or 4 would work best. It's great for a group to get together & have a blast. IMHO, a place where people are spending $200+ for 3 to dine isn't the place for that. As a side note, I wouldn't think there would be too many families with small kids dining at 10pm. If they are, they shouldn't be surprised when a group of adults in a "party friendly" restaurant get a little "happy". It was their choice to dine that late. JMO :)

None taken! I know that my group can be a handful, but we also know where its ok to have fun. Like at the ESPN club during a game…..seriously why would parents not expect it to be full of fans, drinking and talking up their team or down to the opposing team? As for California Grill….I want to have a adult time with my girlfriend, and some people (and I said some not all) have a huge problem with how appropriate it is to have 2 women together in front of “their” children. So in those instances its not about us being loud or even inappropriate behavior its just a matter that we are together in a public place. An adult only restaurant would solve some, not all, of those concerns for us.

[tarheelmjfan]

None taken! I know that my group can be a handful, but we also know where its ok to have fun. Like at the ESPN club during a game…..seriously why would parents not expect it to be full of fans, drinking and talking up their team or down to the opposing team? As for California Grill….I want to have a adult time with my girlfriend, and some people (and I said some not all) have a huge problem with how appropriate it is to have 2 women together in front of “their” children. So in those instances its not about us being loud or even inappropriate behavior its just a matter that we are together in a public place. An adult only restaurant would solve some, not all, of those concerns for us.


If people have a problem with either of the scenarios you mentioned, they're the one causing the problem. They would find something to complain about anywhere they went. The only thing I see making them happy would be private dining. Maybe we should be campaigning for seperate dining rooms to seat all judgemental people, & people who can't or won't control their kids in a section together. The judgemental people will have plenty to talk about & the oblivious parents won't care. The rest of us would be free to enjoy our meal. :teeth:

[PghLybrt]

If people have a problem with either of the scenarios you mentioned, they're the one causing the problem. They would find something to complain about anywhere they went. The only thing I see making them happy would be private dining. Maybe we should be campaigning for seperate dining rooms to seat all judgemental people, & people who can't or won't control their kids in a section together. The judgemental people will have plenty to talk about & the oblivious parents won't care. The rest of us would be free to enjoy our meal. :teeth:
Now that idea I like! ;)

[wrldpossibility]

Well, I have three small kids, and I like the idea of sectioning off areas of a few establishments for adults only or vice versa. It appeals to me because sometimes a nicer meal sounds great, but DH and I worry about disturbing other guests (we DON'T ignore any bad behavior, and so it can be stressful trying to get through a nice meal and hoping our kids make it through without getting bored, etc.). We opt to skip places that we'd feel stressed in. So that would be great for us! :thumbsup2

I agree it's not so much the age of the patron, but their behavior. I've put up with bad behavior from people of all ages. :guilty:

[DanceRC28]

I definately think it would be a nice touch, even just a few restuarants would make a big difference. I love kids, I'm in school to be a teacher, and I can't wait to be a mom, but sometimes DH and I just don't want to deal with screaming children during dinner at the world :rotfl:

[GrumpyFan]

I too would love to see one or two adults only restaurants. And, I don't see why this is such a big deal. A while back I posted a similar question on a different board asking about an adults-only resort, like something that would cater mostly to honeymooners or adults travelling without kids. There were several people who took offense. Still don't get it.

[Hixski]

I too would love to see one or two adults only restaurants. And, I don't see why this is such a big deal. A while back I posted a similar question on a different board asking about an adults-only resort, like something that would cater mostly to honeymooners or adults travelling without kids. There were several people who took offense. Still don't get it.

That is why I started this thread on this board. The other thread on the restaurant board got nasty. The ones that took offense could not give any reason why a couple restaurants could not be adult only. They only wanted to make sure they could take their melting down 2 yr old to any restaurant they wanted to. Those folks were the ones that think WDW is only for the children. :rotfl2:

[pezpam]

I'm the mom of a daughter (now 9) who has been taken to restaurants of all sorts since she was just a few days old, really. She behaves well (and was even quiet as a baby, though I was always ready to leave if she started getting loud) and is the type that winds up getting compliments from the very people who gave me the evil eye for bringing her in. :) That said, I can't see why an adults-only restaurant is such an offensive idea. So there's a restaurant or two we can't go to. Big deal. It's not like you're starved for choices at WDW or they're going to make the Pooh breakfast at CP adults-only. LOL.

[Disneyenthusiast]

If not a completely separate restaurant or two for adults, which I would love, how about having a cuple of nice restaurants only serve children under 10 or 12 until 7pm. You could figure most of the kids would be out by 8 or so. It seems like a resonable comprimise for Citricios and Yachtsman for example. Families with young children could dine a little earlier and those adults who chose to dine earlier would know what they would be facing. (I do have adult children, so I have been on the "other" side. We NEVER let our children run around or get loud and disruptive. If they did, one of us left.)

[spiceycat]

adult time with my girlfriend, and some people (and I said some not all) have a huge problem with how appropriate it is to have 2 women together in front of “their” children. So in those instances its not about us being loud or even inappropriate behavior its just a matter that we are together in a public place. An adult only restaurant would solve some, not all, of those concerns for us.

what exactly were you doing that cause the problem.

kissing is fine. hand holding is great.

but neckling or petting in public is NOT!!! I don't care who you are. that is what hotel rooms are for - not restuarants. Nor if you man and woman, 2 men, or 2 women - public display of affection are not acceptable. Even on honeymoons - and yes I know Disney is the honeymoon captial of the world - they at least have sense enough to go in non-public areas.

Florida despite itself is a Southern state. that type of behavior is not acceptable to most Southerners.

also remember at WDW no matter where you are - you are being watched. Never do anything that you won't want recorded and watched by heavens only knows how many people.

[spiceycat]

If not a completely separate restaurant or two for adults, which I would love, how about having a cuple of nice restaurants only serve children under 10 or 12 until 7pm. You could figure most of the kids would be out by 8 or so. It seems like a resonable comprimise for Citricios and Yachtsman for example. Families with young children could dine a little earlier and those adults who chose to dine earlier would know what they would be facing. (I do have adult children, so I have been on the "other" side. We NEVER let our children run around or get loud and disruptive. If they did, one of us left.)

you know I use to think this too....

we went in chicken filet - at 9:30pm - this place closes at 10pm... guess what it has been a long time since I have seem that many children....

big families generally 2 parents 3 to 4 kids - the oldest child in the group was around 6 - the youngest a few months old.... might have been 6 groups of these families sometimes a grandparent was included.

now I didn't say anything, one little boy was so wired that he played hide and seek with me for an hour.....

but I guess this generation doesn't believe in a bedtime hour. I hope they do before the kids start school.... but that 6 year old.

oh before you say something - I asked - no they were not traveling together - they all seemed to live in the area.

[PghLybrt]

what exactly were you doing that cause the problem.

kissing is fine. hand holding is great.

but neckling or petting in public is NOT!!! I don't care who you are. that is what hotel rooms are for - not restuarants. Nor if you man and woman, 2 men, or 2 women - public display of affection are not acceptable. Even on honeymoons - and yes I know Disney is the honeymoon captial of the world - they at least have sense enough to go in non-public areas.

Florida despite itself is a Southern state. that type of behavior is not acceptable to most Southerners.

also remember at WDW no matter where you are - you are being watched. Never do anything that you won't want recorded and watched by heavens only knows how many people.

Just being together is a problem for a lot of people.

We do not have to do anything but live and breath to make people get all up in arms. Just because we are gay does not mean we cannot keep our hands off of each other either, as was implied :furious: . (And now you can see that people do have a problem with us!) We have been together over 11 years believe me the charm (not all of it though!) has worn off! But that being said I am not a shy person nor am I someone who changes because it makes the masses uncomfortable. I don’t care who watches me in WDW, what are they going to do vandalize my car, beat me? Believe me I have already been there. I just want a nice moment to talk about adult things. I also want to be able to sit there and gaze into her eyes without hearing “ That’s discusting ! You should be ashamed there are children around” Ect! Ect! Ect! While enjoying a rather expensive bottle of wine off of the reserve list!

We already eat late because we have no children in tow so 10pm for dinner is fine. If somebody brings their children into a restaurant that late and one that is more or less designed for an adult experience why would it be such a crazy idea that their child may encounter “adult” things?

[spiceycat]

Just being together is a problem for a lot of people.

We do not have to do anything but live and breath to make people get all up in arms. Just because we are gay does not mean we cannot keep our hands off of each other either, as was implied :furious: . (And now you can see that people do have a problem with us!) We have been together over 11 years believe me the charm (not all of it though!) has worn off! But that being said I am not a shy person nor am I someone who changes because it makes the masses uncomfortable. I don’t care who watches me in WDW, what are they going to do vandalize my car, beat me? Believe me I have already been there. I just want a nice moment to talk about adult things. I also want to be able to sit there and gaze into her eyes without hearing “ That’s discusting ! You should be ashamed there are children around” Ect! Ect! Ect! While enjoying a rather expensive bottle of wine off of the reserve list!

We already eat late because we have no children in tow so 10pm for dinner is fine. If somebody brings their children into a restaurant that late and one that is more or less designed for an adult experience why would it be such a crazy idea that their child may encounter “adult” things?


So sorry.... I should know better than to jump to conclusion.

looking into each other eyes is so romantic. You are a very lucky person if you still feel that way after 11 years.

I just knew it one of those people that Pete mentioned last year - during gay weeks - he is also gay and got shocked by the language and the stuff people were doing in plain view.

I am sorry but being a Southern - some things you talk about in public and others you don't.

this is not called the Christian Belt for nothing.... :grouphug:

If you can't talk about in chuch try not to mention in a public area.

You and your lady would not get those looks.

[PghLybrt]

Sorry I always though the words “I love you” were an expectable thing to say in church….guess not! I should just be like the masses at Disney find a child and scream at them for not enjoying themselves. (I am kidding)

I guess what is being proven is that WDW really does need some adult only places.

[DisneydaveCT]

I'm the mom of a daughter (now 9) who has been taken to restaurants of all sorts since she was just a few days old, really. She behaves well (and was even quiet as a baby, though I was always ready to leave if she started getting loud) and is the type that winds up getting compliments from the very people who gave me the evil eye for bringing her in. :) That said, I can't see why an adults-only restaurant is such an offensive idea. So there's a restaurant or two we can't go to. Big deal. It's not like you're starved for choices at WDW or they're going to make the Pooh breakfast at CP adults-only. LOL.


My daughter is like yours, since has been going out for meal in public shortly after her birth. She is now 12. She knows how to behave in a restaurant. Children behave in public in the manner that they have been taught by their parents.

I have dated some women who have said that they cannot control their children, all under 6, because they are "individuals." I'm sorry but expecting a 6 year old to act like an adult is not being a responsible adult. Nor is letting the kids run wild in a restaurant during dinner because you "want them to get tired" before bedtime.

But I have also seen adults misbehave in upscale restaurants at WDW...disagreeing loudly with their spouse or partner, complaining loudly because their drink glass is empty. How can we expect children to behave better in restaurants, when some parents are not much better?

I don' think banning children or creating adults only restaurants is required. I think returning to an expectation of good behaviour in restaurants, regardless of age, is what we need.

[Friendly Frog]

For many years I wished that restaurants were completely non smoking, and seating choices were "Adult or Family". Today the smoking issue is less of a problem, so now for the seating choices....

When I am being seated, I often will ask if they have an "Adult only" or "child free" section. I know that the answer is "no" but I do this to alert them that I do not wish to be placed next to a loud family. Also, I am hopefull that if they get a lot of requests like this, they MAY, someday, consider having an adult only section.

So if you REALLY want an "adults only" section at the restaurant you patronize, ASK! Who knows maybe with enough requests, someday it may happen. :goodvibes

( And if you are given a comment card, this is a great time to mention this too.)

[wdwpirates]

My thought is that the adults are usually the ones paying for the trip so why shouldn't we have 4 or 5 moderate priced adult only restaurants....an adult only buffet would be great!!!

[pezheadmeg]

Maybe there's a reason most restaurants serve food at the bar. That being said, I've seen an awful lot of children eating in bar sections the last few months. I'd settle for even an adults only balcony restaurant in each park. :thumbsup2

[spiceycat]

Sorry I always though the words “I love you” were an expectable thing to say in church….guess not! I should just be like the masses at Disney find a child and scream at them for not enjoying themselves. (I am kidding)

I guess what is being proven is that WDW really does need some adult only places.

You have never been in a Southern church... right.... :rotfl: Love is not mentioned - except for Christ's love.... otherwise it is almost a forbidden subject. hey the ministers don't even talk about it.

you are a very brave lady - that is something others should learn to say what you feel not what others think are right.

you go girl!!!

[spiceycat]

all under 6, because they are "individuals." I'm sorry but expecting a 6 year old to act like an adult is not being a responsible adult. Nor is letting the kids run wild in a restaurant during dinner because you "want them to get tired" before bedtime.



what my little darling.... lots of parents will turn a blind eye to bad behavior - but it can bite them in the end. some of the kids will turn to drugs - because no one understand them. they were so spoiled by well meaning parents.

But I have also seen adults misbehave in upscale restaurants at WDW...disagreeing loudly with their spouse or partner, complaining loudly because their drink glass is empty. How can we expect children to behave better in restaurants, when some parents are not much better?

I have had more trouble with these types. Or they can be so bad mouthed.... calling the manager will get me moved at least. Have had to call the security guard because of drunks (and I mean drunks) fighting in the hottub outside - and so loud..... pirate:

some people think they are the center of the world - it really comes into play when these same people are drinking. :rolleyes:

[YorkieMommyKandis]

I don't see anything wrong with an adults only restaurant or "quiet" restaurant (adults being expected to follow the rules as well of course).

The only problem I usually have with kids in restaurants is when they are actually running around the entire restaurant making all sorts of noise. I know if I acted like that when I was little someone would have said something to me!!

Oh, and when you are sitting at a table close to children and one of them is just fascinated with you. I have been stared at through entire meals before. Sorta cute though too.

[spiceycat]

now a 'quiet' restuarant is a great ideal!!! :thumbsup2 :cool1:

:wizard: :cheer2: :dance3: :bounce:

[spiceycat]

Oh, and when you are sitting at a table close to children and one of them is just fascinated with you. I have been stared at through entire meals before. Sorta cute though too.

I start entertaining the child - peek a boo - or anything - you might be surprised at how fast the parent will move the child. :confused3

okay I am :stir: pirate: :rolleyes1

[PghLybrt]

You have never been in a Southern church... right.... :rotfl: Love is not mentioned - except for Christ's love.... otherwise it is almost a forbidden subject. hey the ministers don't even talk about it.

you are a very brave lady - that is something others should learn to say what you feel not what others think are right.

you go girl!!!

I don't even know the words in which to say thank you :goodvibes

[DisneydaveCT]

I too would love to see one or two adults only restaurants. And, I don't see why this is such a big deal. A while back I posted a similar question on a different board asking about an adults-only resort, like something that would cater mostly to honeymooners or adults travelling without kids. There were several people who took offense. Still don't get it.

OK, how would you feel if you were traveling at WDW for your only trip and you heard about this great restaurant...fantastic menu, great CM's, wonderful decor and entertainment...a must see. Once you hear about this great restaurant, you get there and the CM's say "We're sorry you don't have any children with you this evening, you can't come in." How would you feel? Would you think that you are still at WDW? I'm sure that is how many parents would feel if their children were banned from a Disney restaurant.

My parents taught us at an early age how to behave in restaurant, whether family style restaurants or something more upscale. My daughter has been raised in the same fashion. She has been going to the local country club since she was about 6 weeks old. If she misbehaved, she was taken out of the restaurant without her meal. She quickly learned how to behave in public.

I would be against banning well-behaved children from restaurants.

Instead of banning children, why not limit or eliminate the children's menu, so the restaurant is less attractive to families?

[kstinw19]

:thumbsup2

I flew Southwest back from Orlando last year on a Sunday, we had self segregation going on the plane!

The pre-boards with the 4 year old as well as Mom, Dad, Grandma, Grandpa, Aunt Sally, Uncle Harry, and Cousins It and Thing sat themselves all within the first few rows of the plane. :sad2: The last 5 rows or so ended up the single adult passengers in their 20's and 30's. We only saw the kids when they came back from the bathroom, all got along, and became the peanut gallery who responded to every flight attendent pun with full out sarcastic remarks. :rotfl:

I'm all now in favor of adults only seating. :drinking1 party: :drinking1

Not to digress too much, but that is what I like about SW's seating policy...I can get on first with my brood and then others can CHOOSE whether they sit near us or not. And if you do get stuck with us b/c it's one of the last seats, I don't feel to bad b/c they were the last to arrive at the airport anyways. ;)

[kstinw19]

you know I use to think this too....

we went in chicken filet - at 9:30pm - this place closes at 10pm... guess what it has been a long time since I have seem that many children....

big families generally 2 parents 3 to 4 kids - the oldest child in the group was around 6 - the youngest a few months old.... might have been 6 groups of these families sometimes a grandparent was included.

now I didn't say anything, one little boy was so wired that he played hide and seek with me for an hour.....

but I guess this generation doesn't believe in a bedtime hour. I hope they do before the kids start school.... but that 6 year old.

oh before you say something - I asked - no they were not traveling together - they all seemed to live in the area.

Really? I don't get that. I have an almost 6, 4 and 1 year old and I can't imagine taking them to dinner past 7 p.m. ever. I don't think my nerves could take it as I would be so worried about the other patrons. That being said, I wouldn't take them to the upscale restaurants in the first place. I really love CG and wanted to try Flying Fish but I won't subject other patrons to my kids (good kids but they get restless in restaurants...just talking loud but they know not to get out of their seats) so I will wait until I go on an "adult only" trip someday.

Of course at Disney there are a few "special nights" that I will let them stay up late...to watch the fireworks, go down to the arcade, watch a movie in bed, but DEFINITELY not go to a TS restaurant.

[Cinderella16]

I completely agree that there should a be few adult only resturants on Disney's property.
Not that this would ever happen, but, I would also LOVE to see a couple's only Disney resort kinda like a Sandals, that would be great for Honeymooners, people celebrating their anniversaries, or just couples that want to escape from everyday life and spend some time together.
Does anyone know which resort is the best for couples?

[Carys]

OK, how would you feel if you were traveling at WDW for your only trip and you heard about this great restaurant...fantastic menu, great CM's, wonderful decor and entertainment...a must see. Once you hear about this great restaurant, you get there and the CM's say "We're sorry you don't have any children with you this evening, you can't come in." How would you feel?

This isn't quite a parallel, because it's easy to rent a babysitter but not so easy to rent a kid. ;)

WDW is for everyone - but not every single thing in WDW is designed with every single person in mind. However, perhaps a compromise would be to have adult only nights at a particular restaurant, or at a specific restaurant having no reservations beginning after 7pm that include persons under the age of 16?

There is always a danger with trying to stereotype populations, such as saying there needs to be adult only restaurants because kids are noisy, uncontrolled, etc. I don't think people are saying that though. While there are many well brought up or naturally docile children in the world, all it takes is one or two kids in a restaurant (where there may be 100 well behaved children) having a melt down or behaving without good manners to ruin a meal the adults sans kids at the next table might be having.

People requesting an adults only meal aren't trying to impose their wish for a quiet meal on the entire population of WDW, they're just asking for one or two places. They're not demanding all kids behave perfectly for their own comfort. They're saying that they understand kids will sometimes be kids, and that's ok - but give us another option for those occasions in which our 'perfect' evening calls for the melt-down factor to be removed. WDW is the place of dreams, and not everyone's dream is to hold hands while junior from the table across the room Wants To Eat Cheerios NOW! :wizard:

I think someone has already made the point that in some situations, it's not the behavior of a kid - it's that people want an adult atmosphere, where there aren't ten year old boys at the next table when you're having a romantic moment with your other half. It doesn't matter how well behaved a child is in this situation.

Please understand, we're not kid-bashing or trying to make those who prefer to always eat with kids feel like second class citizens. We have a valid reasonable perspective that some of the time it's nice to have an adults only atmosphere, and it would be nice if Disney catered for those sorts of occasions as well as for the many styles of dining they have already provided. :)

[Hixski]

This isn't quite a parallel, because it's easy to rent a babysitter but not so easy to rent a kid. ;)

WDW is for everyone - but not every single thing in WDW is designed with every single person in mind. However, perhaps a compromise would be to have adult only nights at a particular restaurant, or at a specific restaurant having no reservations beginning after 7pm that include persons under the age of 16?

There is always a danger with trying to stereotype populations, such as saying there needs to be adult only restaurants because kids are noisy, uncontrolled, etc. I don't think people are saying that though. While there are many well brought up or naturally docile children in the world, all it takes is one or two kids in a restaurant (where there may be 100 well behaved children) having a melt down or behaving without good manners to ruin a meal the adults sans kids at the next table might be having.

People requesting an adults only meal aren't trying to impose their wish for a quiet meal on the entire population of WDW, they're just asking for one or two places. They're not demanding all kids behave perfectly for their own comfort. They're saying that they understand kids will sometimes be kids, and that's ok - but give us another option for those occasions in which our 'perfect' evening calls for the melt-down factor to be removed. WDW is the place of dreams, and not everyone's dream is to hold hands while junior from the table across the room Wants To Eat Cheerios NOW! :wizard:

I think someone has already made the point that in some situations, it's not the behavior of a kid - it's that people want an adult atmosphere, where there aren't ten year old boys at the next table when you're having a romantic moment with your other half. It doesn't matter how well behaved a child is in this situation.

Please understand, we're not kid-bashing or trying to make those who prefer to always eat with kids feel like second class citizens. We have a valid reasonable perspective that some of the time it's nice to have an adults only atmosphere, and it would be nice if Disney catered for those sorts of occasions as well as for the many styles of dining they have already provided. :)

Very well said. This is why I started this thread on the adults board. I thought there would be more folks willing to say "yes", a couple of adult only restaurants would be nice. I have personally seen someone trying to propose just as a couple of children at the next table started screaming. Really took the romance out of the moment for those folks. And the parents of the children just let them scream. At least the CM told them they were making it difficult for the man next to them to propose. It took another 5 or 10 minutes but they did take the children outside.

Thank you stating the obvious that some folks just don't seem to grasp. :thumbsup2

[DisneydaveCT]

This isn't quite a parallel, because it's easy to rent a babysitter but not so easy to rent a kid. ;)

WDW is for everyone - but not every single thing in WDW is designed with every single person in mind. However, perhaps a compromise would be to have adult only nights at a particular restaurant, or at a specific restaurant having no reservations beginning after 7pm that include persons under the age of 16?

There is always a danger with trying to stereotype populations, such as saying there needs to be adult only restaurants because kids are noisy, uncontrolled, etc. I don't think people are saying that though. While there are many well brought up or naturally docile children in the world, all it takes is one or two kids in a restaurant (where there may be 100 well behaved children) having a melt down or behaving without good manners to ruin a meal the adults sans kids at the next table might be having.

People requesting an adults only meal aren't trying to impose their wish for a quiet meal on the entire population of WDW, they're just asking for one or two places. They're not demanding all kids behave perfectly for their own comfort. They're saying that they understand kids will sometimes be kids, and that's ok - but give us another option for those occasions in which our 'perfect' evening calls for the melt-down factor to be removed. WDW is the place of dreams, and not everyone's dream is to hold hands while junior from the table across the room Wants To Eat Cheerios NOW! :wizard:

I think someone has already made the point that in some situations, it's not the behavior of a kid - it's that people want an adult atmosphere, where there aren't ten year old boys at the next table when you're having a romantic moment with your other half. It doesn't matter how well behaved a child is in this situation.

Please understand, we're not kid-bashing or trying to make those who prefer to always eat with kids feel like second class citizens. We have a valid reasonable perspective that some of the time it's nice to have an adults only atmosphere, and it would be nice if Disney catered for those sorts of occasions as well as for the many styles of dining they have already provided. :)


I disagree, both are a form of discrimination.

And for a company that reaches out to the kid in all of us, I think it would be a major PR mistake to create adult only restaurants.

Let me know the next time you are at WDW so I can send the rude adults to your restaurant. Then let me hear how you will control that bad behaviour. :wizard:

[UrsulasShadow]

OK, how would you feel if you were traveling at WDW for your only trip and you heard about this great restaurant...fantastic menu, great CM's, wonderful decor and entertainment...a must see. Once you hear about this great restaurant, you get there and the CM's say "We're sorry you don't have any children with you this evening, you can't come in." How would you feel? Would you think that you are still at WDW? I'm sure that is how many parents would feel if their children were banned from a Disney restaurant.

My parents taught us at an early age how to behave in restaurant, whether family style restaurants or something more upscale. My daughter has been raised in the same fashion. She has been going to the local country club since she was about 6 weeks old. If she misbehaved, she was taken out of the restaurant without her meal. She quickly learned how to behave in public.

I would be against banning well-behaved children from restaurants.

Instead of banning children, why not limit or eliminate the children's menu, so the restaurant is less attractive to families?
There are areas that children are NOT allowed in WDW...namely Jellyrolls and some PI establishments. True, they're clubs, not restaurants, but it's not really setting a new precedent by limiting where children are allowed.
This is one of the reasons why I think an "adults only" section of restaurant should be established. You can't use the argument that the food and decor are any different in that section. Maybe it would work better if it were set up as a lounge area.

[tiggermei]

Isn't Victoria and Albert's adults only?

[tarheelmjfan]

I'm one of the parents who doesn't see a problem with "adults only" restaurants, as long as they don't designate the best restaurants & remove the option of eating an upscale meal at each resort. My fear would be that they would automatically assume families wouldn't care as long as they left character meals & buffets as is. There's many families who don't eat at either of those places. For the resorts that have more than one nice, sit down restaurant, I don't see why one of them couldn't be adults only. This shouldn't be a problem in the DTD area either. I think blocked off "adults only" sections would be easier to implement though.

Even though I don't have a problem with the concept, I do have a problem with some of the replies.

This isn't quite a parallel, because it's easy to rent a babysitter but not so easy to rent a kid. ;)

Most people think this defeats the purpose of a family vacation. Do you & your spouse go seperate ways, when it's time for dinner? It is the same. Our DS is as much a part of the family as my DH & I are. If someone wants to leave their kids with a babysitter at dinner, that's their business. My DH & I have always considered our family vacations to be an opportunity to spend quality time as a family.


I think someone has already made the point that in some situations, it's not the behavior of a kid - it's that people want an adult atmosphere, where there aren't ten year old boys at the next table when you're having a romantic moment with your other half. It doesn't matter how well behaved a child is in this situation.



This argument always bothers me the most. I can totally understand why a couple wouldn't want kids running around & being loud, when they're trying to share a nice meal together. However, I don't understand why an adult would want to do anything in a restaurant that would be inappropriate for a child to see. If a 10yo. boy is sitting there with his family minding his own business, there shouldn't be a reason you can't enjoy a romantic moment with your SO. On the other hand, if his presence bothers you, because you may want to do something too "R" rated for a 10 yo., most adults don't want to be exposed to that either. I would be very unhappy, if my DH & I were seated next to a couple who was behaving in a manner that wasn't appropriate for a 10 yo. to see. Most kids have already seen people hold hands & exchange an occasional kiss. It's not like seeing that would be earth shattering. ;)

[Hixski]

Isn't Victoria and Albert's adults only?

No, people have written about seeing children in there. It is rare but they can bring children in.

[Hixski]

Most people think this defeats the purpose of a family vacation. Do you & your spouse go seperate ways, when it's time for dinner? It is the same. Our DS is as much a part of the family as my DH & I are. If someone wants to leave their kids with a babysitter at dinner, that's their business. My DH & I have always considered our family vacations to be an opportunity to spend quality time as a family.


The reason I started this thread is because my family vacation consists of myself and DH. We are in our mid forties. We love WDW. DCL has Palos and everyone seems to love that there is an adult only option. I would only like a couple quiet adult only restaurants. They don't have to be the "best" ones either. Just nice. That includes "hopefully" the obnoxious adults not wanting to be there either. But I have seen more melting down children at 9:00pm at restaurants than bad adults. I stated earlier that I watched someone trying to propose with children screaming next to them. What a memory for those folks. That memory is what makes me think there is a need for a couple restaurants. Or at least a section in a restaurant.

[tarheelmjfan]

The reason I started this thread is because my family vacation consists of myself and DH. We are in our mid forties. We love WDW. DCL has Palos and everyone seems to love that there is an adult only option. I would only like a couple quiet adult only restaurants. They don't have to be the "best" ones either. Just nice. That includes "hopefully" the obnoxious adults not wanting to be there either. But I have seen more melting down children at 9:00pm at restaurants than bad adults. I stated earlier that I watched someone trying to propose with children screaming next to them. What a memory for those folks. That memory is what makes me think there is a need for a couple restaurants. Or at least a section in a restaurant.


I'm not disagreeing with you. I objected to the notion that parents could just get a babysitter, if they wanted to eat at a certain restaurant. We don't even consider that as an option. Just as you wouldn't want to eat w/o your DH, we don't want to eat w/o our DS.

BTW, Palo being adult only does affect some people's decision to cruise on DCL. We won't cruise on their ships for that reason. I know others who feel the same. My feelings on that are the same at they are for WDW. If DCL would designate one of the regular restaurants as "adult only", I wouldn't have a problem with that. The fact that the only specialty restaurant is adults only keeps us from sailing on their ship. There are plenty of other cruise lines though, so it's not like I'm all upset about it.

[Cheshire Figment]

I have nothing against bringing children to V&A. However, I would expect any children brought there to be able to sit through a 2½ hour long dinner and not doing anything that will disturb any other Guests in the restaurant.

This means no infants crying (for more than 30 seconds before a parent takes the infant out) and no six year olds wandering/running around the restaurant. Not only is there no children's menu, but the full price of at least $100 (plus tax and tip) is charged for everyone.

[raspberrysharpei]

I had read this thread a few nights ago & just wanted to jump in with a few of my thoughts.
We are a married couple & chose not to have children, having said that, we generally vacation at adults only locations.
I just returned from a trip to WDW with my sister & her two children. During the time I was researching our trip I did come across some activities that had age restrictions, i.e. a Tea Party, a scavenger hunt.
So I guess if Disney can have age restrictions with some activities I do not think it would be unrealistic to think they could provide venues for the other side of the coin.
IMHO, if Disney could offer a few adults only restaurants & or fine dining options, (not to discriminate, just to accommodate) it might be easier to talk my hubby into a trip to the world. :banana:

[solgent]

I have three children and I would probably never eat at an adult-only restaurant, but I still think it's a pretty good idea for Disney to have such a place. Just like I don't eat meat, but I know other people do, so it's going to be on the menu for other people to choose and for me to not choose. I have no problem with that!

I think Disney tries hard to offer all sorts of experiences and environments so there's something for all guests to enjoy. So perhaps we will see this someday.

[tarheelmjfan]

I had read this thread a few nights ago & just wanted to jump in with a few of my thoughts.
We are a married couple & chose not to have children, having said that, we generally vacation at adults only locations.
I just returned from a trip to WDW with my sister & her two children. During the time I was researching our trip I did come across some activities that had age restrictions, i.e. a Tea Party, a scavenger hunt.
So I guess if Disney can have age restrictions with some activities I do not think it would be unrealistic to think they could provide venues for the other side of the coin.
IMHO, if Disney could offer a few adults only restaurants & or fine dining options, (not to discriminate, just to accommodate) it might be easier to talk my hubby into a trip to the world. :banana:

If adult only restaurants are the major reason your DH doesn't want to join you at the World, there's a few restaurants that you will see very few, if any, kids. Some that come to mind are V&A, Bistro de Paris in Epcot, & bluezoo & Shula's @ Dolphin (esp. Shula's). We didn't see many kids at Yachtsman Steakhouse, but that may have just been the night we were there. We haven't eaten upstairs at Puck's, but I wouldn't think there would be many kids there either. Of course, I could be wrong. Fyi, Wolfgang Puck Cafe will have kids, plus it's way too noisy in there, IMHO. Maybe, someone else has some suggestions. Good luck getting him there. :teeth:

[fey_spirit]

Um actually yes I would - given that I am all too aware of the bias Disney shows to couples with children. Do you have any idea how many of the things I want to do I can't because I'm "too old". Such as the Pirates Cruise out of GF, or the Princess Tea Party, or Mad Hatter Tea Party... but they don't offer anything that's an adult equivelent...

Heck as it is I'm trying to hire Gifts of a Life Time to put something together for me just so I wont feel left out.

Before you think I've lost my mind, I'm going to make a long story short. I grew up in a very abusive household... (hitting, molestation, verbal etc - I tel you this only so you wont think the next line is the abuse) - I always wanted to go to Disney as a Child, but never got to go.

So I've been spending a lot of time trying to heal the child inside of me, and one of the first steps I took was to plan a trip to Disney because everyone tells me that it's supposed to be for adults too... not just that we can show up, but that we can share in the magic too. Now there are all those things I can't do that my inner child would have killed for - and that I still want to experience - just once.

So I'f I'm lucky an extra 300 dollars will buy me the kind of experience that a lot of parents have access to for far less - without even having to think about it.

My point? If I can be denied all of that because I'm too old, then I don't see how it's anything less then fair that Adults should have access to perks that parents and kids don't - just seems to be leveling the playing feild to me.

Once you hear about this great restaurant, you get there and the CM's say "We're sorry you don't have any children with you this evening, you can't come in." How would you feel? Would you think that you are still at WDW?

[tarheelmjfan]

Um actually yes I would - given that I am all too aware of the bias Disney shows to couples with children. Do you have any idea how many of the things I want to do I can't because I'm "too old". Such as the Pirates Cruise out of GF, or the Princess Tea Party, or Mad Hatter Tea Party... but they don't offer anything that's an adult equivelent...

Heck as it is I'm trying to hire Gifts of a Life Time to put something together for me just so I wont feel left out.

Before you think I've lost my mind, I'm going to make a long story short. I grew up in a very abusive household... (hitting, molestation, verbal etc - I tel you this only so you wont think the next line is the abuse) - I always wanted to go to Disney as a Child, but never got to go.

So I've been spending a lot of time trying to heal the child inside of me, and one of the first steps I took was to plan a trip to Disney because everyone tells me that it's supposed to be for adults too... not just that we can show up, but that we can share in the magic too. Now there are all those things I can't do that my inner child would have killed for - and that I still want to experience - just once.

So I'f I'm lucky an extra 300 dollars will buy me the kind of experience that a lot of parents have access to for far less - without even having to think about it.

My point? If I can be denied all of that because I'm too old, then I don't see how it's anything less then fair that Adults should have access to perks that parents and kids don't - just seems to be leveling the playing feild to me.


It's not only childless adults who can't participate in many of the extras. Those of us with older kids can't either. WDW definitely caters more to families with young kids. The good news is that there's an afternoon tea at the Grand Floridian that you will be more than welcome at. :) Here's the link: http://allearsnet.com/menu/menu_gft.htm Be sure you make advance reservations. Enjoy!!! :teeth:

[fey_spirit]

That's sweet - thank you for the link, more then likely I will book an ADR.
You know, it's just not the same thing though, it's not at all Disney Magic... a least not to me. Disney magic is about characters come to life, and dazzeling sights that you can't see anywhere else. A nice adult tea, will be a wonderful way to end my trip to Orlando - but it isn't anything I can't do in a dozen other cities... most of them cheaper.

It doesn't seem fair that Disney caters to those who end up spending the least money per head. Esp when if you read a lot of Walt's quotes he talked about being more interested in grabbing the attention of the adult, kid at heart... there is very little of that kind of attention left.

Of course this all just plays into my overall theory on kids and adults. I don't think kids should get most of the good stuff (Trick or Treating, Christmas is for Kids, blah blah blah). The way I look at the world, rewards and fun stuff should come in direct proportion to the responsabilities and duties one is forced to take on. Kids have nothing to do with their time but play, that should be their reward. Trick or Treating, and other fun kiddie type stuff (In my admitiadly odd opinion) should be kept for older teens, and then adults. You move out on your own and have to support yourself? Congradulations - now you get to go Trick or Treating! Have a couple of kids? Great - now you get to have Christmas revolve around you!

It just seems that the way our society does it is so... empty.
We get all this joy, and wonder, and magic when we're kids (At least we do if we grow up the way things are "supposed" to go. Pity those of us who never got this when we were supposed to either... we completely lost out) and then we grow up, and right when we should be getting more rewards for more work, and stress... it's all taken away from us. We're left with nothing but "adult" play time... all the magic gets sucked out and we're supposed to be content because "well we can go to Jelly Rolls and other bars and kids aren't allowed". Heck maybe that's why there's so much drug and alchohol useage amongst teens - they've figured out it's the only fun they're still aloud to have and they haven't become accustomed to the feeling of emptiness that creates yet.

Seriously, Adult fun from what I've heard from those around me consists of the kind of thing you need a hotel froom for, drugs, alchohol, clubbing (more alcohol - or at least being in the presence of tons of it). Everyone talks about the "freedom" of adulthood - that's just a lie society sells us to get us to play our part... what does that freedom consist of? Oh goodie I get to try to make a living, probably in a job that doesn't pay enough to live on - that I hate... guess I'll have to take a second job. Oh boy now I get to try to figure out whether I want to pay for the water bill or my medicine, becuase you know it's flu season out there - and nobody there to help me pick up the peices... that's adult freedom.

I'm sorry, this rant isn't aimed at you specfically...
It's just I get so tired of having it pointed out to me that "sure you can do this adult thing over here" when that adult thing always looks dull, and boreing to me - where as all those nifty little things I'm not allowed to do because time kept moving on - I can't do. Hell the only reason I'm comtemplating a 1,000 dollar trip - litterly just to see The Halloween part at Disney is so I can go Trick or Treating - even then knowing I wont make out as well as the kids...

If the balance of reward to responsability didn't seem so skewed to me I don't think I would mind so much... but I spend a lot of time feeling like the Universe has informed me that I missed out on all the wonder and magic of childhood because I had an abusive father, and a neglectful mother... and now it's too late because you're trapped in "adulthood" where childish things must be put away - and all magic and wonder must die. Now that I have to deal with the responsabilities of adulthood, and I am "free" to do what I want - I'm not allowed to do anything I want.

It's not only childless adults who can't participate in many of the extras. Those of us with older kids can't either. WDW definitely caters more to families with young kids. The good news is that there's an afternoon tea at the Grand Floridian that you will be more than welcome at. :) Here's the link: Be sure you make advance reservations. Enjoy!!! :teeth: