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yazee1
07-22-2006, 10:40 PM
I am genuinely curious about something. In another thread, a cruiser shared that her husband uses the flash on his camera even when he knows it is against the rules. I don't know anything about photography and I haven't been bothered enough by people's flash to have an opinion about it, so I asked my dh, who knows quite a bit about how to use a camera about this. He was passionate in his responsewhen he said he HATES when people do that. What's the fuss about flash photos? AND, for the people who use a flash anyway, why do you do it? Why shouldn't the rule apply to you?

allears
07-22-2006, 10:54 PM
I am genuinely curious about something. In another thread, a cruiser shared that her husband uses the flash on his camera even when he knows it is against the rules. I don't know anything about photography and I haven't been bothered enough by people's flash to have an opinion about it, so I asked my dh, who knows quite a bit about how to use a camera about this. He was passionate in his responsewhen he said he HATES when people do that. What's the fuss about flash photos? AND, for the people who use a flash anyway, why do you do it? Why shouldn't the rule apply to you?

On the cruise they ask that you not take flash photos during the shows. I never can understand why people think it's okay to disregard this. There are two principle reasons for this rule, 1. it can distract the performers which can be dangerous for them and 2. it's very, very distracting to the folks around the "flasher". The flash literally blinds you momentarily so you're missing some of the performance.

I have also found it incredibly annoying in rides at DW, like Pirates. The light flashes, and poof you can't see for a moment.

I often ask myself why people don't think the rule (and that's what this is,not a suggestion) doesn't apply to them.

msmayor
07-22-2006, 10:55 PM
Any type of flash photography during a live show can actually be quite dangerous to the performers.

Think of how dark a theater is in the audience. The performers, on stage, have bright lights over them but for the most part are looking into darkness. There may be a glowing 'exit' light, or spot somewhere in the distance that they are using as a point of reference. For a dancer, it could be the spot that he/she is using to properly perform multiple spins without getting dizzy.

If a flash goes off, it completely disrupts the ability of a performer to find his/her 'spot', or frame of reference. Its jarring to them, and especially if a dancer is mid-turn can cause them to lose balance, become dizzy and fall.

Its also disrupting the vision of spectators. The bright flash in a darkened theater often causes 'sparkles' in the eyes of those most near the flash, interfering with their vision temporarily.

That's why its normally disallowed.

OurDogCisco
07-22-2006, 11:16 PM
And, the worst thing is that photos taken without the flash will come out sooooo much better than the ones taken with a flash. With all the bright lights on the stage and tripod I've gotten some really great pictures...

Most people are generally sitting to far away from the subject for a flash to work.

Tina

yazee1
07-22-2006, 11:31 PM
Thank you. First issue addressed. Now, I know what the deal is with flash photography. If anyone wants to see how Dh's pictures came out when taking pictures in the theatre without a flash, click on my sig line link to our pictures.

I didn't expect such an immediate response to this question. I wonder if those who use the flash will answer my second question about why they do it because I really, genuinely want to hear what they have to say.

mattmommy
07-22-2006, 11:43 PM
DH loves his new camera, but he knows not to use the flash when it's not allowed or it's a live stage show.

We used to work at community theatre and I had to make the announcement for no eating, drinking, smoking or flash photography. Then I would add if you use flash photography you could blind the actors and they could fall off the stage and land on somebody.

momrek06
07-22-2006, 11:51 PM
To the OP: I have been everywhere, performances on Broadway all the way to shows in Vegas to WDW....and I can honestly say that whenever that
announcement is made..there is ALWAYS someone that refuses to abide by the rules... :rolleyes:

I do not think I have ever been to any performances/shows that everyone in the audience actually DID AS THEY WERE POLITELY ASKED in re: to flash photography or even candy wrappers for that matter. :rolleyes:

It is POSTED on walls in areas around most theaters and then there is generally a live announcement about the USE of FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY....but then there are also those people here in this world of ours that just completely choose to ignore those rules :rolleyes:

princess22
07-23-2006, 12:00 AM
I don't understand why people use a flash either. I do have a confession though. I accidently took one picture with a flash. I don't know why it flashed though... I swear I didn't turn the flash on. But I turned it right off. Pictures turn out fine without the flash. Maybe people do it because they dont' think their pictures will turn out without the flash, and they hate being told they can't take home a memory of the show. Here are a few of my pics from the shows ALL without the flash!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/princesspics22/dc466804.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/princesspics22/7873132a.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/princesspics22/DisneyCruise026.jpg

princess22
07-23-2006, 12:02 AM
Sorry that the one of Minnie turned out so big. I really don't understand why some of them turn out a descent size and others turn out way to small or way to big! Oh well...

mom_of_2_princesses
07-23-2006, 12:32 AM
People are just rude and their parents did not teach them any better. I bet you can guess which kids are theirs. You can make a list of rules people break on the cruise and at WDW. No talking during life boat drills. No line jumping. No smoking outside designated areas. You get the point. :furious:

dreamcometrue
07-23-2006, 01:45 AM
if you have a good camera, you can get excellent pictures without flash!

The main reasons flash photography is prohibited in many places is because it can be distracting to the performers, and the main reason, I think is, if they'd allow one person to use flash, they'd have to allow everyone, and it would be a sea of flashes going off constantly during a performance which would be VERY annoying to those watching the show.

txaggie94gigem
07-23-2006, 02:38 AM
i was the one that mentioned that in my post and i totally agree....i will honestly tell you that my husband sometimes believes rules are made to be broken...do i agree? NO! i am a strict rule follower....we are polar opposites! but you are right in that most of the time we are too far back for the pictures to come out anyway....i have just stopped taking the camera to shows and that solves the problem anyway! :blush:

Andrew DEREK UK
07-23-2006, 06:44 AM
Any type of flash photography during a live show can actually be quite dangerous to the performers.

Think of how dark a theater is in the audience. The performers, on stage, have bright lights over them but for the most part are looking into darkness. There may be a glowing 'exit' light, or spot somewhere in the distance that they are using as a point of reference. For a dancer, it could be the spot that he/she is using to properly perform multiple spins without getting dizzy.

If a flash goes off, it completely disrupts the ability of a performer to find his/her 'spot', or frame of reference. Its jarring to them, and especially if a dancer is mid-turn can cause them to lose balance, become dizzy and fall.

Its also disrupting the vision of spectators. The bright flash in a darkened theater often causes 'sparkles' in the eyes of those most near the flash, interfering with their vision temporarily.

That's why its normally disallowed.

This is totally correct it can be very danagerous and people should take note of the request, I was at a performance recently and the Entertainment manager on the stage requested this, then he spoke directly to a man with a camcorder with a light on it, he said I can see that its distracting me, the man kept it on, so he said the performance wil lnot start until you switch it off or we take you out of the performance, reluctantly the man with the camcorder stopped.

I cannot see why people think it doesnt mean them??

Denise W
07-23-2006, 07:15 AM
I am a musician and when playing in an orchestra or band I am usually in the center facing straight towards the audience. If someone uses a flash, I am momentarily blinded and cannot see my music. It definitely is a problem for whatever type of performer is on the stage. It's too bad some people can't realize that as they continue to ignore the rules.

Denise

LarryC
07-23-2006, 07:35 AM
Because people today only care about themselves.

The same people who use a flash are the same ones in jeans at dinner, smoke at the Mickey pool, and reserve chairs at CC but don't show up.

They run when told to walk, steal door decorations, talk loudly in the corridors at 2AM, and refuse to wash their hands after using the restroom.

They "butt-in" line waiting for character pictures, and usually arrive 10 minutes late for dinner, expecting the entire waitstaff to begin the evening AGAIN, just for them.

They usually stiff the crew of their tips, too.

ME ME ME ME ME. I PAID A LOT FOR MY VACATION, (like the rest of us didn't?) AND I'LL DO WHATEVER I WANT!

:rolleyes: ;)

rtphokie
07-23-2006, 08:15 AM
Most people use flashes in places they shouldn't because they have no idea how to turn it off. Even people with expensive digital SLR cameras leave them in full automatic mode and the flash fires when the camera thinks it should. Most people have never opened their camera's manual once.

The flash on most of these cameras is useless in many of these situations. A little point and shoot digital camera isn't going to have a flash that will reach the stage in any useful way. It really cracks me up to see people in the noseblead seats at sporting events and concerts using their flashes, no flash is going to make it that far.

Andrew DEREK UK
07-23-2006, 09:08 AM
Most people use flashes in places they shouldn't because they have no idea how to turn it off. Even people with expensive digital SLR cameras leave them in full automatic mode and the flash fires when the camera thinks it should. Most people have never opened their camera's manual once.

The flash on most of these cameras is useless in many of these situations. A little point and shoot digital camera isn't going to have a flash that will reach the stage in any useful way. It really cracks me up to see people in the noseblead seats at sporting events and concerts using their flashes, no flash is going to make it that far.
Good point people should read the instructions!!

daipp
07-23-2006, 09:21 AM
The flash on most of these cameras is useless in many of these situations. A little point and shoot digital camera isn't going to have a flash that will reach the stage in any useful way. It really cracks me up to see people in the noseblead seats at sporting events and concerts using their flashes, no flash is going to make it that far.

This is something that has also amazed me - the flash on most cameras is ineffective over 30 feet so why do people even bother?

As you said you often see hundreds of flashes going off in concerts or sport events to little avail when they are so fa away, they may as well light a match and hold it next to the camera.

David

Andrew DEREK UK
07-23-2006, 10:16 AM
This is something that has also amazed me - the flash on most cameras is ineffective over 30 feet so why do people even bother?

As you said you often see hundreds of flashes going off in concerts or sport events to little avail when they are so fa away, they may as well light a match and hold it next to the camera.

David
Unless the subject is close it doesnt work, again people should find out how to switch their flash off.

alanapapa
07-23-2006, 10:34 AM
Good point people should read the instructions!!

Yes, but that would involve planning and thinking, something most people don't know how to do anymore.

lbgraves
07-23-2006, 11:09 AM
From discussions on the board about cameras I have one of the cheaper digitals...Kodak 6.1 easy share...and I have been able to take really good pictures from a few rows back without any flash. Now that I have learned to adjust the shutter speed I am hoping that more will turn out. :)

allears
07-23-2006, 11:22 AM
Because people today only care about themselves.

The same people who use a flash are the same ones in jeans at dinner, smoke at the Mickey pool, and reserve chairs at CC but don't show up.

They run when told to walk, steal door decorations, talk loudly in the corridors at 2AM, and refuse to wash their hands after using the restroom.

They "butt-in" line waiting for character pictures, and usually arrive 10 minutes late for dinner, expecting the entire waitstaff to begin the evening AGAIN, just for them.

They usually stiff the crew of their tips, too.

ME ME ME ME ME. I PAID A LOT FOR MY VACATION, (like the rest of us didn't?) AND I'LL DO WHATEVER I WANT!

:rolleyes: ;)

This unfortuneately is way, way too true. We tend to follow the rules and standards set by where we are and more importantly try to follow that little used principle today known as the Golden Rule. We also try hard to teach that to our kids and they've very often seen us give a wide berth to those folks who feel their lives are far more important than ours, like the ones who think waiting in line is only for the rest of us and have to just jump in where they think they belong. We all just shake our heads in amazement.

yazee1
07-23-2006, 01:17 PM
Because people today only care about themselves.

The same people who use a flash are the same ones in jeans at dinner, smoke at the Mickey pool, and reserve chairs at CC but don't show up.

They run when told to walk, steal door decorations, talk loudly in the corridors at 2AM, and refuse to wash their hands after using the restroom.

They "butt-in" line waiting for character pictures, and usually arrive 10 minutes late for dinner, expecting the entire waitstaff to begin the evening AGAIN, just for them.

They usually stiff the crew of their tips, too.

ME ME ME ME ME. I PAID A LOT FOR MY VACATION, (like the rest of us didn't?) AND I'LL DO WHATEVER I WANT!

:rolleyes: ;)



:rotfl: This might be the truth I just don't want to think about. It was educational to learn that some people just don't know how to shut off their flash. That being said, the first time is an accident, maybe even the second time. After that..... :sad2:

BuzzNutt
07-23-2006, 02:02 PM
This unfortuneately is way, way too true. We tend to follow the rules and standards set by where we are and more importantly try to follow that little used principle today known as the Golden Rule. We also try hard to teach that to our kids and they've very often seen us give a wide berth to those folks who feel their lives are far more important than ours, like the ones who think waiting in line is only for the rest of us and have to just jump in where they think they belong. We all just shake our heads in amazement.

While reading this post all I can think of is the new Hummer commercial. The woman sends her son onto a playground and is immediatly cut off by another child. The first mom says to the second mom, "oh I'm sorry my Jake was next in line". The second mom says, "well I guess we are next now."
It is so sad that this is the direction more and more people are going. Get out of my way because you are in my way.

allears
07-23-2006, 02:35 PM
While reading this post all I can think of is the new Hummer commercial. The woman sends her son onto a playground and is immediatly cut off by another child. The first mom says to the second mom, "oh I'm sorry my Jake was next in line". The second mom says, "well I guess we are next now."
It is so sad that this is the direction more and more people are going. Get out of my way because you are in my way.

Way, way too true. I do find it gratifying though when my kids witness some of this behavior from adults and other children and then give us the look that says, "Are these people serious, you would have wacked us one for that." I usually give a lot of latitude to kids, as much of the time they are so in the moment they don't think about others, but then you can tell when they have been taught one way or the other. I have no patience for adults who are oblivious to the rest of the world. Fortuneately it's not everyone and most of the people we've met on the crusies and parks are very nice. It's just the ones who don't play nicely with others tend to stand out.

Billinaz
07-23-2006, 08:24 PM
As we were starting to sit in 5 of the empty front row seats on our last Magic cruise, some guy looks down and says the seats are going to be used by his (not yet arrived) family.


He had an end seat and a kid 6 or so seats away.

I told him that since you cannot save seats in the theater and we were there right then we were going to sit down. He started raising his voice and said to his kid that since we were being so inconsiderate his family could not sit together.

I looked right at this jerk and told him that if he had bothered to read the navigators he could clearly read that his saving seats was not allowed. He said that he never saw that.

Vindication came when the family arrived 10 minutes later and his mother told him that he was not allowed to save seats and she was trying to contact him to tell him that.


What a great thing to pass on to your kids....... a desire to be a moron. This guy kept telling them that other people were ruining this "family cruise".

yazee1
07-23-2006, 09:44 PM
While I agree with what is being said, I ask that we please, please, please not turn this thread in any direction other than the camera topic. I was afraid it would turn into a "rant" about rudeness in general. Since the questions were answered definitively, let's put this thread to bed.

rogerram
07-23-2006, 09:57 PM
Camera flashes unfortunately go hand in hand with all the other rude things people do. I remember seeing pictures from a guy who was showing pictures from the haunted mansion that he used the flash. It not only looked stupid with the full light from the flash in the photos, but he even said he knew it was wrong, but he didn't care what everyone else thought when he did it. He had people yelling at him and he ignored them and kept right on taking photos. Someday , someone might not be as tolerant of him.

MAGICAL EVENTS
07-23-2006, 11:22 PM
I made the mistake of not setting the camera to the correct setting and felt SO BAD! I had it on a "scene" setting, and the camera flashed 5 times before it actually took the picture. I never have it set on that setting, our flash was off, but since it was on a "scene" setting the flash automatically goes off. Needless to say I just put it away in a hurry, I was not going to try and adjust it in the middle of the show. It was a honest mistake but I felt so bad. I can understand the few people that do use flash when they think it is off but one time is enough.

Skallywag
07-24-2006, 01:38 AM
When we were on our cruise last during a man with his family in front of us started using his video camera and the light was very distracting to us sitting behind. When my husband asked him to switch it off he was far from happy and dragged his two children out of the theatre. We felt sorry for the children but what a rude man.

PizzieDuster
07-24-2006, 02:11 AM
Don't the CMs go through the theatre to tell the people using flashes and videos to stop? I saw that a lot on our 3 DC cruises.

lbgraves
07-24-2006, 08:32 AM
This thread has been closed as requested by the OP.