C'mon Disney...This is PATHETIC!!

[roymccoy]

Just got back from California Adventure. Folks....there's nothing open anymore. (Not that there was a lot there in the first place.) Most of the restaurants were closed. (Lucky Fortune, Mission Tortilla, Maliburritos, The Farm Stand, San Andreas Shakes, Hollywood and Dine, The Nacho Truck, Pizza Mow Mow, Avalon Cove, Winery Restaurant, etc.) Why is that worth $43 ?? Oh, McDonalds was open! Surprise, Surprise! McDonalds makes this neat little thing called a "hamburger" and they also make these neat "fried potatoes". You'll NEVER taste anything like it ANYWHERE! And it's only DOUBLE what it is outside of DCA.

I have HAD IT! My family and I have our bi-annual trip planned to DisneyWorld for January 5-12th of 2002. This trip costs us about $10,000 with plane fare, hotel, hopper passes and expenses. (5 of us). I AM CANCELING!! I WILL NOT PAY FOR THIS SUBSTANDARD DISNEY VACATION!! I am calling and canceling our trip just a soon as I am done typing this message. I AM FURIOUS at Disney....what do they think we are....SAPS?!?! Do they think we'll pay top dollar for this??!! I've made my decision based on what I am seeing here at the California parks. I figure that it's gotta be at least as bad in WDW.

I guess I'll catch em' on the rebound. I've had it....I'm through. A word of caution to anyone who is plunking down hard-earned money for a vacation to the Disneyland Resort...DON'T do it. There's not enough open in EITHER park to justify a trip at this time. Just my opinion, but I'm sure I'm not alone. Time to go cancel. I'm through.

Roy

[Cora]

Wow, how awful.

Just to let you know we (Hubby and I) just returned from WDW on Sunday and other than the discontinuing of EE mornings, I didn't really see other major changes.

I hope you re-think your decision.

Good Luck
Cora

[mrswortham]

Roy-

I don't post on this board very much, but I do read it every day. It seems all you ever have to say about Disney is negative.....in fact, I have never seen you write anything positive about Disney. So, I guess my question is, why do you go? Why do you even have anything to do with Disney? This is a Disney Lovers board (or at least that is the impression I get)...I honestly get tired of reading you rip on Disney....I will be avoiding your posts from now on. I hope you soon find a vacation place you enjoy.

Best of Luck


Amy

[roymccoy]

I love Disney, too. I'm sorry you don't like my posts and that you feel I'm too negative. If you read some of my older posts, you'll see that I was VERY happy and excited with Disney...until about a year ago. Now, I can not just sit here and pretend that everything is okay and I'm happy with the direction that the company is going in. I can't just sit here with pixie dust in my eyes. This is a corporation now....Walt is dead and the new folks in charge will respond to only one thing. OUR COMPLAINTS! When they threatened to take out Mr. Lincoln and there was a big swelling of complaints from us loyalists what happened?? They left it as is. When they talked about closing Mr. Toad and we complained, what happened?? They left it there, as is. They would have LOVED to have closed these rides and attractions. Those areas would be empty and we would still pay $43 for a park without them. Enough people COMPLAINED (not "went merrily on there way") and they realized it would not be PROFITABLE to go ahead with the closures. That's the key word, profitable. That's one of the reasons I cancelled my WDW trip for next year...it's my protest to all the cutbacks. If enough of us complain with our voices AND our dollars, they will do the spending they need to at the parks. If we don't, then they will suck the living blood out of the parks for cash to fund their other failing enterprises. The parks are a big cash cow and it is very tempting for these "corporate types" to think that it is something to be exploited. I know, I work in a field like that. I see it everyday.

So Amy, you can ignore me...but the next time you're at Disneyland or DCA and you look around at all the empty spaces and the $43 ticket prices I want you to at least think about what I have posted. I'm not on here trying to destroy Disney, I'm trying to SAVE it. We can only save it by letting our voices be heard.

Roy

[nickglover]

It is sad to hear so many food places are closed in CA. We were there Sept. 10 and I was disappointed that the Farm Food Stand was closed. The Fortune Cookery was open but the food was expensive for rather mediocre quality. San Andreas shakes was open, but you didn't miss anything there - they were expensive and tasted suspiciously like a McDonalds shake!
However, we did have a great time in the park, on the rides and in the Millionaire show. We also enjoyed the show in the Hyperion Theater (Steps in Time). I hope they open something soon at Avalon Cove and the winery.

[roymccoy]

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[WDW2002]

Roy,

I don't want say, imply or in any other way make you feel you are not intitled to your own opinions. But I agree with Amy that you do tend to focus A LOT on the negative.

First and foremost Disney is a company, a business. And in troubled times, all companys make cut backs. If Disneyland is to still be standing in 5-10 years these cut backs are neccessary. NOONE is happy about it. I am extremely unhappy that there will be no Fantasmic when I go with my mom in 4 weeks. I am disapointed that Animazement is gone (though it is a bit outdated) because she has never seen it. But they are giving us something in place of these, even if they are on a smaller scale (or at the other park). Starting in a few weeks there will be LuminAria at DCA and in the Fantasyland Theatre there will be Minnies Christmas Party.

Now if all those food place in DCA are closed when we are there in four weeks, we will be eating outside the parks. There are only limited places I can eat, because I don't eat meat. Mali-burito and Pizza mow mow were two of those places I could eat.

[Judge Doom]

If Disneyland is to still be standing in 5-10 years these cut backs are neccessary

Absolutly not. Eisner gets a 6 Million dollar bonus a year even if Disney doesn't make any money. He also spent BILLIONS on a second rate cable station. When was the last time Disney had a hit movie? When was the last time Disney had a hit animated movie? The poor decisions made by the company is the reason they are worst off than others and frankly I don't feel bad for them. I already canceled my trip so Roy your not alone...and I love the song!

[roymccoy]

When you go into DCA now, you are ambushed by a Disney employee who has a couple of simple questions for you. What brought you to DCA and would you have still came if that ride or attraction wasn't there. What does that tell you about Disney's approach to things? Also, they ask you, "If DCA was closed today, would you come back another day?" Those questions prove my point. They will close rides and possibly even the parks if people would tolerate it. We need to COMPLAIN like we've never COMPLAINED before! We ain't dealing with Walt anymore folks...we're dealing with big business and corporate types. They respond to one thing... Public outcry.

Roy :-)

[trishy]

Roy has valid points. I live an hour away from DL/DCA and we have annual parkhopper passes. Every time we go to DCA there are few places open to eat (you can always rely on Taste Pilots, though - yummy mickey potatoes) and the park hours are ALWAYS shortened (as Disney's policy "without prior notification"). However, we still go there ONLY because we have the parkhopper pass. There are never lines at any of the rides. Overall, the park does not appear to being doing well financially. For example on the hours - we spoke to a cm when the posted closing was 10 p.m. and they closed rides down at 8 p.m. - he acknowledged the hours depend on the amount of people in the park. Fair? No way - people pay to get in based on what they expect to get out of it. Let's be honest, DCA is pretty expensive for what you're getting. At least Disneyland has atmosphere.

[PrincessAurora]

I agree 100% that DCA basically sucks. Even when it was being built I kept saying that it was a no-brainer idea. Who wants to do mini-sanitized California when you are IN California, especially LA? You want the "pretty" Hollywood without the trash and the hookers, OK but I don't think it's a wide draw.

The major thing is that the rides, with the exception of the incredible, 100% awe-inspiring Soarin' Over California are pretty pedestrian. It's a more adult park, little for small children to do but there aren't enough thrill rides to keep teens and young adults coming back. The bottom line is that the price is WAY too high for what you get. If admission was $25 - 28.00 and $10.00 to add it to a one-day park hopper admission with Disneyland, I would say SWELL but at $45 - 48.00 - NO WAY!!

Where I disagree is on The World. I am leaving for The World in 3 weeks and looking forward to it. I was there in early 2000 and again the year before. I am sooooooo hooked that I would rather trek to Florida than driving 6 hours to Disneyland. You really can't compare the two Parks, it's apples and oranges.

Peace and Mickey.

[WDW2002]

Originally posted by trishy
For example on the hours - we spoke to a cm when the posted closing was 10 p.m. and they closed rides down at 8 p.m. - he acknowledged the hours depend on the amount of people in the park. Fair? No way - people pay to get in based on what they expect to get out of it.

This I do agree on. It would be very upsetting to me and I would complain BIG TIME if I went the park and they closed it a full 2 hours earlier then what was posted when I went in.

But Disney is a business and has to do what they think will make profit. And if there are not people in the park, spending money on food (not that from what I hear there any places to buy food) or suveniors, they are likely to continue to close the park earlier then expected.

[King Triton]

Here's my idea. Just tear down DCA and start all over. Build a DisneySea park - exactly like the one from Japan. Why did so much quality go into that park and so little quality go into DCA? I know, DisneySea had more investors, but still....if you're going to build a park, you might as well do it right. The difference between the two parks is like night and day.

What gets me mad is that Disney closed down Fantasmic at Disneyland in order to force more people over to DCA. That is insane! I don't understand that move. Oh well, I will always be a Disney fan for life.

King Triton

[Douglas Dubh]

"Build a DisneySea park - exactly like the one from Japan."

It won't fit. Even if they used all of Timon. And it would be in the red for years.

"What gets me mad is that Disney closed down Fantasmic at Disneyland in order to force more people over to DCA. "

Or it could be that attendence was way down and it was much more cost effective to have Believe and Luminaria showing rather than the labor intensive Fantasmic.

[trishy]

Low attendance at Fantasmic??? In all my years of being a passholder, I've never seen Fantasmic suffer from low attendance. Just the opposite, the crowd seems to be growing every year.

[Douglas Dubh]

"Low attendance at Fantasmic???"

No, low attendance at the park in general.

[trishy]

Okay, it's in this morning's paper....

"Anaheim Disney announced this week another move to stir up business at its new theme park by offering admission to Disneyland and California Adventure for $49. The two-park ticket offer for DL and CA - which applies to Southern California residents and costs $49 for adults and $39 for children - is good through Dec. 18 and is the latest promotion intended to draw bigger crowds to the new park."

Will it work? It beats $49 for California Adventure alone anyway. For those who live outside So. Cal. - get to know someone who lives here - maybe on the tram ride from the parking lot.

At least they're doing something

[d-r]

We just got back from DL & CA - not only were the restaurants in CA mostly closed - you could hardly find anything to eat in DL either. Most of their larger food courts were closed - even on Saturday. The park hours were short, but it was off season - that didn't bother us as much, but the lack of food options was pretty ridiculous.

All in all the ticket price didn't bother me as much - being used to WDW, we felt that if you are only going for a day or two there is more to do at DL and CA is kind of like a little bit ( a very little bit ) of AK, MGM and Epcot all in one. Granted we did do EVERYTHING there was to do in CA in about 5-6 hours. Soaring was great, but that was all that stood out really. Paradise Pier is - well painfully tacky, IMHO. And I'm not sure how in the world Superstar Limo made it to creation, that was an actual waste of five minutes of my life!

The Animation attraction was much better than in MGM - we enjoyed that. And since I made it to the hot seat at Millionaire - that was fun, but the rest was pretty unremarkable. We did enjoy GRR - we were able to stay on the boat for 3 rides in a row.

I guess when you are used to the cost of WDW, DL and CA don't seem so bad - particularly with 4 days for the price of 3. You can pack more in to you day in a shorter time than at WDW, but the quality of CA is somewhat lacking. DD doesn't really offer much in the evenings if you aren't interested in a full dinner. With the parks closing so early we found ourselves trying to kill time to find something to do in the evenings.

I will say though - Mansion w/ Jack Skellington - is WONDERFUL! I was hesitant at first and I wouldn't want it permanently, but what a great treat for the holidays!

We had a great trip and will go back someday, but really felt like it was more of a day trip kind of thing and prefer to vacation at WDW.

Melissa

[vickyBaby]

Every person that decides to cancel their trip and not go, makes my life easier when I go. I don't have to wait in long lines!!!:p

[WDWfanatic288]

well i havent been to DCA yet(will be in 15 days! :D) but it seems like it sucks

but i would recommend not canceling!!! WDW is in the middle of a celebration and I betting its wonderful!


also yeah you do have a point...if eisner woudlnt get him millions of dollars bonus a year when he does nothing to help the compnay then they would be in much better shape!

[raidermatt]

Roy, I have to say that at first your complaints about a lack of water fountains were somewhat amusing, but it really has gotten old now. Everyone knows that DCA needs work. That's why Millionaire was opened a couple of months ago, the light show was developed, and Tower of Terror is being built. Improvements will continue, as Disney always does with a new park. Geez, you just went a few months ago and hated the place. Why would you go back so soon and expect to have your mind changed?

As for restaurants being closed, again, what did you expect? Attendance was low before 9/11 and the further downturn in the economy. If there's no people, they're going to close some things. If you truly are a Disney fan, you know that while WDW has been hit hard by the decrease in tourism, they do not have the problems you have complained about. DCA, on the other hand, will not be fixed to your liking overnight, so it might be a good idea to stay away for awhile.

WDWfanatic288- DCA needs some work, but there is attention to detail that you will not find at a Six Flags. Soarin' is awesome, and California Screamin is strong. The rapids are pretty good, and Grizzly Peak is quite a site. I've heard Luminaria is a great show. (I was there before it began). All I can tell you is that my friends and family enjoyed the park. Granted, its not Disneyland, and doesn't have nearly as much to offer, but its still a wonderful addition to the resort.

[roymccoy]

I said that we cancelled our WDW trip...not a Disneyland Resort trip. I made the decision based on what I saw at DL and DCA. If that's what is happening here, it's more than likely happening there also. I've had enough of the excuses. If they want my business they're going to have to do a lot more, longer hours, cheaper prices and quit putting in these "below par" rides and attractions. DCA is a shell. There is nothing there. There are big expanses of nothing. Wolfgang Puck and Robert Mondavi realized it...why can't you?

Roy

[raidermatt]

If DCA is a shell, why did you go back? You went earlier in the year and lambasted it. Now, several months later, you do the same. Any changes have been well documented, and you knew what they were before you went. Clearly they did not make the ones you wanted.

Mondavi and Puck did not "realize" anything except that their restaurants were not doing the business they wanted them to. But of course, we all knew that from the attendance woes that were well publicized.

DCA is not a shell, despite your attempts to make it sound as such. Again, it clearly needs work, and nobody is denying that. I just have two questions for you:

1- What info did you receive that possessed you to go back to DCA so soon, when you hated it several months ago, when attendance was better than it is now?

2- Why do you believe that the problems DCA has have suddenly appeared at 4 established parks in Orlando?

[raidermatt]

By the way, I ate at the old Puck restaurant, and it was WAYYYY too pretentious for a theme park setting. Perhaps in Downtown Disney, or a park like Epcot, which is more "sophisticated", but not in DCA or DL.

The fact that it is re-opening as a character venue is further evidence that Disney is working to improve the park.

[roymccoy]

I have two park hopper passes and I wanted to get my money's worth. Couldn't get my money's worth at DCA...not enough there. As to your other question (were you with the Gestapo?) I assumed, and have confirmed on this board, that the same leadership that designed and green-lighted DCA are also making the budget decisions for WDW. LOTS of stuff is closing at WDW. Hotels, rides, parks (River Country), short hours, boats going to Downtown Disney, early entry is gone, etc. and a lot of people are fed up with it. Go over to the Resorts board and read about how "happy" people are with Disney. On second thought, maybe you shouldn't read it....you might implode.

Roy

[Michelle]

While everyone is free to express an opinion, you are NOT free to attack other posters for theirs. Please refrain from personal attacks or this thread will be closed. Thank you.

[raidermatt]

Michelle- Warning noted. My apologies.

Roy- I have seen the complaints you have mentioned and I'm still physically intact.

Its interesting to note that most of the complaints are from those who have not been. Yes, some trip reports note the negatives you mentioned, but the majority say they had a great time and the "reports of Disney's demise are greatly exaggerated".

I believe ONE section of ONE hotel was closed. With tourism down 25%, I don't see how one can blame Disney for temporarily closing down approx 5% of their rooms. Why hemmorage more money than necessary?

Rides are ALWAYS being closed for rehab at this time of year. CoP was closed due to low useage and high maintenance.

I'm also pretty sure that the water parks are closed in the late fall/winter on a rotating basis for maintenance and due to low attendance during these timeframes. There is talk that River Country may remain closed longer than normal, but if so, its due to sagging tourism/attendance. Again, how can any company spend money to keep things open that aren't being used?

Shorter hours- Those who have been recently note that while the hours are shorter, the parks are less crowded an there is still enough time to do what they want. Again, revenue is down, so costs must come down as well, or the business will fail. (this applies to EE as well, since in reality that is a reduction in hours. Those who go said they didn't need it due to smaller crowds.)

Buses and boats have been cut back due to, again, a lack of useage. During the recent high attendance Thanksgiving week, most reports were that transportation was more frequent and not a problem. Disney adjusted the transportation to the attendance.

When attendance drops as much as it has in a short period of time, cuts will be made. If the parks, characters, attractions, parades, shows, etc are not enough for you to make your trip anyway, you should cancel, and also avoid any other destinations that have had to make similar cuts, like Universal-Fla. The last 10 recessions have averaged a length of 18 months, and this one started in March, so it maybe awhile before things get back to normal. Of course, the war could impact that as well, either positively or negatively.

[roymccoy]

For your information....

It wasn't "one building at one resort" that closed, it was more than that. Port Orleans French Quarter closed altogether. The Riverside is in the process of closing now. Carribean Beach Resort has closed down some buildings. The boats to Downtown Disney are no longer operating but not because of low attendance...I was told by a CM at CRO that they closed because THEY WERE TOO POPULAR!! She said that people didn't like waiting in the long lines for the boats. Can't have it both ways. Is it busy or is it slow?? I cancelled my WDW trip because of all of the closures and the feeling of uncertainty I was getting from the CRO. If they can't tell me what's closed at the park currently, how can they tell me with any certainty what will be open or closed when I get there in a few months?? For all I know, it'll be a WalMart when I get there.

Roy

[raidermatt]

I said section, not building, but that doesn't really matter I guess.

I didn't realize multiple buildings at CBR had been closed, but if capacity is running low enough that there are still enough rooms available without these buildings, why keep them open? (that's assuming they weren't closed for some other reason, like maintenance) I can understand some of the frustration with POFQ, since it does have its own theme, but that's not the case at the individual CBR buildings.

Regardless, many hotels will close floors when occupancies are running low, so why would Disney be any different? If they aren't filling the rooms, they must close floors/buildings or be at a competitive disadvantage to their competitors.

It is slow. Period.

I'm not sure why you got so much bad info from CRO. I've never had that problem with them, so I can only say that its either too bad you are so unlucky, or I am very thankful that I have so much good luck. Of course, in your original post, you said you were canceling based on what you saw at the California parks, not even mentioning CRO...

Regardless, I'm sorry you have had such negative experiences, and that you feel so negatively about Disney parks/resorts in general. Since you are staying away until the rebound, I look forward to you next report, once you feel that rebound has taken place.

[vickyBaby]

I was told by a CM at CRO that they closed because THEY WERE TOO POPULAR!!

What????

[roymccoy]

That is exactly what I was told by a CRO rep when I asked her why they took out the DD boats. She said that they had heard from guests that the lines to get on the boats were too long and they wanted more busses instead. We were there last year and the lines were never that long. We loved taking the boats to DD and we ate at a different restaurant almost every night of our stay. The CRO told me that I could still take a bus to DD and I told her that the last time I took a bus to dinner was 6th grade camp AND the dinner didn't cost me $150. NO thanks!

Roy

[roymccoy]

I too, can't wait for the day that I can sing the song of Disney again. I bet it won't be that long. Maybe a year or two. I think Eisner likes to dig himself out of holes. He did it at Paramount and then for Disney. He likes to be the hero...not just the CEO. He'll fix things...after they get bad enough.

Roy

[stings]

The overwhelming majority of people go to theme parks to ride the RIDES! Unfortunately there are not nearly enough rides at DCA. My opinion is that people prefer Disney parks over others is the themeing and creativity that goes along with these rides. Now while DCA has pockets of beauty and great theming, usually in the shops, overall it lacks any rides e-ticket or otherwise. The exception being Soaring over California. This lack of things to do, ie ride the rides, coupled with a less than stellar concept (most visitors at DL/DCA are locals and are not drawn to the "California" concept) is proving to be the downfall of the resort.

People are telling Disney of their displeasure and lack of interest, they don't go! Everyone may not be as vocal as some on this board and others but the general opinion seems to be negative. Disney knows this and will slowly over the next few years upgrade (the addition of TOT is a start) DCA as they are doing with AK.

[dianedisney]

:earsgirl:I go to Disneyland at least once a year to check it out for all my clients and because I just love it there. If you will check on the history of Disneyland it was not all built in one year.
Walt added gradually and made changes where needed. The same is for DCA, granted I was not real impressed with my first visit March 2001 it was a month new and I saw things that needed to be changed right off the bat. But Disney DID listen; the public wanted more Disneyland not a new Disney Park and they now have more characters there and have changed the outdoor show to Goodys Beach Party. They have taken over Avalon Cove and made it into a Disney Lunch-Dinner Character Dining experience for the whole family. Between Downtown Disney and the restaurants at DCA there were just too many. They have already broken ground for a DCA version of MGM's Tower of Terror. So as it was with Disneyland it will be with DCA, grow gradually and improve with time. I will now get off my soapbox , have a Disney Day!!! :earsgirl:

[princessKT]

Originally posted by raidermatt
Tower of Terror is being built.

*gasp* IT IS??! That is the best news I've heard all day. That ride alone is worth the 45 bucks...

[poopie]

Then don't go. I happen to LOVE going to DCA and staying in The Grand Californian. That is on of the most wonderful hotels I have ever been to. DCA ia a baby park and I'm sure they will add more attractions as time goes by.

WDW AK was not what is is today when it opened. It had fewer attractions. It takes time and money to build great theme parks. Do you think Magic Kingdom was built in a day?

I go to WDW every year and can't imagine it has changed that much since last year.

I for one am happy that you unhappy people are cancelling your trips, I won't have to listen to all the whining and complaining.


Rachael

Will be at DL Sat and Monday

WDW in 29 days

[fklhou]

Roy

On the rumours board, there is a list of Disney addresses and an e-mail link. I encourage you to put your complaints to Disney in writing. I may be naive, but it is my hope that if Disney sees enough complaints like yours, changes may occur.

[Miss Jasmine]

First, I can't believe this thread is still going on. Second, if you don't like it then don't go. Third, my family (DH, me, DSD (9) and DSS (8)) must be crazy because we loved DCA. We spent a day and a half there and even visited on the DL days because the kids loved Califronia Screamin'. We also love Animal Kingdom so that is saying a lot about DH and me. Goodness, things are never perfect, especially with a new park. I've been through three park openings now, Disney/MGM, Animal Kingdom and DCA. Each one has/had flaws and each one continues to improve.

As for the things that are being discontinued at WDW, I think you talked to someone who was misinformed at CRO about the boats to DTD. And as for closing resorts/rooms, there comes a time when it is more cost efficient to just close down a resort/section of a resort than to offer discounts and pay for staffing.

Disney is a company whose bottom line is to MAKE Money. We love Disney, and we love the Disney touch, but again it's really not just there for our enjoyment. It's there to be a money maker. And things change when the economy is not booming.

[collins316]

I almost hate to add anything, but,,
I enjoy hearing both the positive and negative sides of Disney. If Roy had some negative experiences, I want to hear them as well. If I want only happy positive info I would buy the Birnbaum book, and read just that. These boards give me a more realistic vision of what I am paying my hard earned money for, and I want to thank everyone for all of their opinions.
By the way,, I am one of the people displaced by the closing of Port Orleans. Had a hard time getting into another hotel, even thugh they were so underbooked that they had to close down the hotel. First time to Disneyland will be Oct 2002.

[DawnCt]

We will be in Southern California in April for a very brief 8 days. I planned on visiting DCA on the day of arrival, Disneyland on the second day, Universal Studios on the third day and then head on down to San Diego. I will be sure to check to see what will be opened. If DCA/Disneyland is running on such a limited schedule with limited attractions, it might serve us better to spend our hard earned $$$ at Knotts Berry Farm.

[Thumper1]

The first time I went in April 2001, I didn't like DCA because I was comparing it with DL. The second time I went in September 2001, I really liked it. It really depends on what you like about going to an amusement park. DL is great, but you have to be on the go a lot "it's a A-personality park). With DCA you can relax, have a soft drink and enjoy the beautiful surroundings. You can enjoy the park at a more leisurely pace. There are action rides, "Soaring Over California", the roller coaster, the water ride, but you can also sit and enjoy the parade, listen to music over at the wharf and just relax. you don't feel like you always have to be on the go to see everything. I'm sure that they'll add more amusements. I'm really excited hearing about them building a "Tower of Terror" but for now enjoy the park for what it is. Don't expect a DL, there already is one across the way.

[TigerBear]

Nicely said Thumper1. :)

[tink2dw]

Roy, $10,000???? :earseek: What were you thinking?? :earseek: It's a good thing you canceled, now you have time to do some research on the WDW BUDGET BOARD!! You need to check out this thread!!
http://www.disboards.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139561

Have you heard of http://www.mousesavers.com/wdw.html ,please check it out before you start planning again?? It's a site that helps you squeeze the mouse so hard he cries!

Hang out at the Budget Board and we will help you save so much money on WDW, you will be glad you canceled!!

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