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Franne
07-10-2006, 08:53 PM
Someone copied almost all of my listing. I reported it to ebay, does anyone know what happens? Do they pull the auction or make them relist it with their own words? Thanks for any help,
Franne

marlynnp
07-10-2006, 08:59 PM
Yes

They will get rid of it and send them a note telling them why

dodukes
07-10-2006, 09:06 PM
I had no idea i could report this, i once found someone that used my exact copy of the listing i did. i sent them a note tho but obvisouldy never heard back.

JeffM
07-10-2006, 09:20 PM
it really depends on the listing. I've had others do it to me also with nothing from Ebay. If the auction has just generic description of an auction then Ebay will do nothing. If you have HTML or some type of graphics then yes Ebay will more than likely pull the auction.

PrincessKitty1
07-10-2006, 09:28 PM
I had a seller copy the wording of my auction verbatim and Ebay closed their auction at my request.

HayGan
07-10-2006, 09:32 PM
At the bottom of each listing there is a link that says report this item. Click on that and choose copying of my listing as the reason.

Franne
07-10-2006, 09:33 PM
Thanks for the quick replies! While I was looking I did a search of completed items, and ANOTHER person used my picture, and words and did a buy it now for the same amount mine was for. :confused3 Of course I reported it, but that auction already ended, after 1 day with the buy it now. To make it worse, the high bidder on MY item is the one who did the buy it now!!!!! Not only that, she or he is also high bidder on an auction of another one that is ending in 19 minutes! I just can't believe this!
BTW, my item is a set of retired Girl Scout stamps that are brand new. The price now is up to $63 and I am so happy it is, but now i am wondering if she will follow through. She is a new user, so I emailed her that if she wins all 3 auctions, she will have to pay for all 3 as it's a contract. Hopefully she will retract her bid on mine since I can't understand what she would do with 3 sets of these!!
I have been selling on ebay for years and NEVER had my auctions copied! I am soooo angry! Thanks for your help everyone!! :grouphug:
Franne

~Kathie
07-10-2006, 10:00 PM
They copied your EXACT auction including yout terms for international buyers at the bottom of the auction. Too bad the auction wasn't still running.

I would defintely report that seller to ebay.

I bet there is a program out there to protect your pictures and description so people can't steal them. I know some websites use one. Anyone know of one that would be good for ebay??

As far as your bidder........she is high bidder in a LOT of auctions. Newbie gone crazy?? Hope not. Maybe she's buying all the stamps for a GS troop to use.

Good luck.

TerBear4
07-10-2006, 10:08 PM
I found that if someone is using your picture try to put TEXT over the photo, like your Ebay Username. Make sure it doesn't hinder your photo, but also so they can't crop the picture either.

Franne
07-10-2006, 10:31 PM
I found that if someone is using your picture try to put TEXT over the photo, like your Ebay Username. Make sure it doesn't hinder your photo, but also so they can't crop the picture either.

That's a great idea, I have seen that done. Thanks! Kathie, boy you are quite a detective! Your post got me thinking and I went back to look at what she has listed, and wouldn't you know it, one of the items was copied from another seller! I, of course, let the other seller know so he can report it too. :rotfl:
As for the high bidder, I can't imagine having 3 sets of these at this price! :confused3 I paid $22 for the set about 3 years ago and never used them. Mind you. I did have every intention of using them since I am a Girl Scout leader, but I never did. Then I saw what they were going for on Ebay and I waited until there weren't a lot of them up and within the first 24 hours it was at $60! Very exciting, I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens, I'll let you know.
Franne

~Kathie
07-10-2006, 10:39 PM
Thanks! Kathie, boy you are quite a detective!
Franne


I have an ebay friend who says I should work for the CIA. :lmao:

I always check out my bidders, especially if they are new. I have nothing against new ebayers, in fact I have a lot that end up as repeat buyers. I just hate surprises. I also like to see what other people are bidding on.

I'm not surprised that the seller copied another sellers listing too. I hope ebay puts a stop to it.

I'm going to see if I can find one of those programs to prevent taking pictures. In the meantime putting your ID on the picture is a good idea.

Please keep us updated Franne.

jessica52877
07-10-2006, 10:52 PM
I have it happen all the time. I have totally gotten over it. It is aggrevating because I (or in this case you) spend the time to list and do the work, then someone says copy and paste, bamm, they are done. It seems to be a common practice anymore. I see lots of people that put their name across the picture.

I haven't had much luck with ebay since you don't really know who copied whom, although usually the first listed is the original but I have things in my turbo lister I use over and over. I've become really easy going in my ripe old age of 29!

cats mom
07-11-2006, 06:11 AM
I've had a couple of my listings copied (that I caught)

On one the person at least went in and changed a few payment details.
I didn't bother reporting it since I saw it fairly late in the game and I figured the auction would be over by the time the folks at e-bay got to it.
I just took it as a compliment that they liked my design but were too lazy to put together something of their own. They most likely did have the item we were both selling. Lots of them floating around out there.
Frustrating, but not a huge deal.
:confused3


The other one was for event tickets. I found it really tough to believe that someone just happened to have very hard to find club level seats to sell in the same section and row as mine. I didn't put the seat numbers in my listing; if I had, I wonder if they would have taken the time to go in and change that little detail, or if they would have been promoting lap sitting? I'm betting on the latter.
I reported that one and it was pulled.
The sad part was that I kept an eye on the seller and they just went in and copied someone else's listing for tickets to the same event when the one they copied from me was pulled.
Scammer for sure.

summerrluvv
07-11-2006, 07:55 AM
I guess I don't see what the big deal is. It's just words describing an item. I really doubt that person is going to get more bids than you for having the same listing, so really what's the harm? It's not like you wrote a novel and someone copied it ;)

samanthacatangel
07-11-2006, 08:02 AM
I disagree. I only list a few collectible items, and describe them in great detail. It takes me 45 minutes to an hour to complete one listing.

I have had people plagiarize me, and I reported them. They may have been selling the exact same book, but they simply cut and pasted my auction. Of course, this doesn't change the chapters or contents, but when they use the same descriptions/selling points/etc this is stealing.

Samantha

DMRick
07-11-2006, 08:06 AM
Your post got me thinking and I went back to look at what she has listed, and wouldn't you know it, one of the items was copied from another seller! I, of course, let the other seller know so he can report it too. :rotfl:
Just in case you didn't realize this, if the other seller tells eBay they found out about this, because you wrote them..YOU can end up suspended for auction interference. Crazy, and not fair, I know, but it can happen. We aren't allowed, by eBay rules to interfer in another person's auction, even to let them know someone else is doing something wrong.

Kayla's Mom
07-11-2006, 09:27 AM
I just had this happen to me last week--- I was searching through current listings and saw my picture! The person had copied my picture and my listing, down to the line I had about the picture being of my set and how the buyers set would come new in an unopened box! I reported it in the morning and by mid-afternoon the auction had been pulled. :thumbsup2

~Kathie
07-11-2006, 09:41 AM
I guess I don't see what the big deal is. It's just words describing an item. I really doubt that person is going to get more bids than you for having the same listing, so really what's the harm? It's not like you wrote a novel and someone copied it ;)

It is a big deal. I agree with samanthacatangel. I take a lot of time and care describing my items, using just the right fonts, taking pictures. It is stealing and ebay considers it so. It can be grounds for suspension

Content and Picture Theft (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/reviewsandguides/content-picture-theft.html)

If you take a look at both auctions, you can see that the other seller took Franne's auction word for word, same font, same set up, same terms, same pictures. At least they could have changed a few words around, used a different font. Nope.........looks EXACTLY like Franne's auction. They did change the title slightly.

The link is about reviews and guides. It also pertains to auctions. I can't find the auction link right now but when I do I will update.

DMRick
07-11-2006, 10:03 AM
It's here:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/vero-image-text-theft.html



Item Description and Picture Theft
eBay members are not allowed to use another eBay user's pictures or descriptions in their listings or About Me pages without the owner's permission.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation
Loss of eBay fees
Limits placed on account privileges
Loss of PowerSeller status
Account suspension
Examples

A seller doesn't know the best way to describe an item. The seller copies a substantial amount of another memberís description and pastes it into a listing.
A seller uses someone else's picture and includes it in a listing, since it looks very similar to the item the seller is offering.
A seller likes the way a competitor's About Me page looks. The seller copies the look and feel and a substantial amount of the text and creates an About Me page.
Report a member who is using your text or images without your permission.

babiesX2
07-11-2006, 10:45 AM
I guess I don't see what the big deal is. It's just words describing an item. I really doubt that person is going to get more bids than you for having the same listing, so really what's the harm? It's not like you wrote a novel and someone copied it ;)
I agree with you, summerrluvv. What's the big deal. I guess I don't have this problem because 1) I don't go sleuthing for it and 2) I sell mostly used items so I just describe the item. I'm a nurse (charting skills) so I can go from one end of an item to the other and describe what I see quickly. I seriously doubt someone has another item exactly like mine in the same exact condition. But if they did copy me, I don't give a flip. :goodvibes

cxcelica
07-11-2006, 01:33 PM
I never have copied a listing but I do look at them for help some times.

What I do is if I am having trouble finding the right words to put in my title I will look at completed listings and see what worked for others. What words or numbers they used. It is interesting to see how adding a word or replacing a word greatly increases the activity. I dont consider that "stealing"

Secondly, I usually sell mostly used items and describe them accurately in my description. I do this mainly for full disclosure about the quality the item is in, but now that I am thinking of it, if someone were to copy my listing it is not likely that their item is in the exact same condition as mine is. So if it sells the buyer will not be happy which could end in negative feedback.

Either way, maybe I don't sell enough on ebay to get really worked up about this.

DisneyGerry
07-11-2006, 02:11 PM
Doesnt happen that much but for a while someone was copying a bunch of my items. Other sellers using someone else's photos are more common but not allowed as well.

It is usually a hot item and seemingly someone from out of the country trying to pull a fast one on someone else

Gerry

belle&beast
07-11-2006, 02:21 PM
This happened to me today! Someone copied my picture and most of my description. The only reason I even knew was because someone emailed me and made me an offer for both of my items- I only have one thing listed!!! So I looked it up and there was another picture of my item on my living room floor! I reported it and hopefully it will be taken care of soon!

babiesX2
07-11-2006, 03:01 PM
I think an easy way to "mark" your eBay pictures would be to write your eBay ID on a piece of paper and put it by your item when you take the pic. It might look a little simple, but it would take care of that problem. I can see how this would be annoying to some people (the copying problem). :goodvibes

Franne
07-11-2006, 09:05 PM
Wow, this thread has taken off. So here's the update: the person who copied my listing, emailed me and said it's no big deal..yea ok, to her maybe.
The other seller she copied from emailed me that he will look into it and if she did copy word for word he would also report her and thanked me. And the best part.....the woman who won the other 2 sets emailed me back and said that she indeed does want 3 sets, for her and her 2 sisters. She was very nice about it and thanked me for emailing her. So now all that's left is to see if she pays if she wins. :wizard:
What gets me about the other person coping ALL of my post is that they put it up for a buy it now at the same price I did, and the high bidder on my item was the one who bought it. It wasn't even up a day! The only reason the high bidder didn't see mine, was someone already put a bid on it so the buy it now disappears.
It's clearly against ebay rules to copy pictures and words. Granted this listing didn't take a long time to do, but it's not right that the other person copied and then took away MY sale from it. She even took my shipping policies and prices,she had to put that in manually.
Ebay hasn't done anything about this yet, the one auction is active and the other one that ended, she still has other items up. How long does it usually take?
Franne

summerrluvv
07-11-2006, 09:23 PM
Wow, this thread has taken off. So here's the update: the person who copied my listing, emailed me and said it's no big deal..yea ok, to her maybe.
The other seller she copied from emailed me that he will look into it and if she did copy word for word he would also report her and thanked me. And the best part.....the woman who won the other 2 sets emailed me back and said that she indeed does want 3 sets, for her and her 2 sisters. She was very nice about it and thanked me for emailing her. So now all that's left is to see if she pays if she wins. :wizard:
What gets me about the other person coping ALL of my post is that they put it up for a buy it now at the same price I did, and the high bidder on my item was the one who bought it. It wasn't even up a day! The only reason the high bidder didn't see mine, was someone already put a bid on it so the buy it now disappears.
It's clearly against ebay rules to copy pictures and words. Granted this listing didn't take a long time to do, but it's not right that the other person copied and then took away MY sale from it. She even took my shipping policies and prices,she had to put that in manually.
Ebay hasn't done anything about this yet, the one auction is active and the other one that ended, she still has other items up. How long does it usually take?
Franne

How did she take your sale? You two are selling the same item and you have a bidder on yours. If you wanted it to go for the buy it now price, make it a fixed price auction. Regardless if she copied your listing or not, you are still selling the same exact item no? Whomever bought her item probably would have bought it anyway had the wording been changed in her listing.

rmom50
07-11-2006, 09:34 PM
I didn't know it was against the rules to copy someone's picture. :sad2: I was once told in a Live Chat with an e-bay representative to 'just use someone else's picture'. :rolleyes: This was when I was just learning to post mine. I would have been really upset if I knew he was telling me incorrect information. In fact, I'm upset now and it was months ago. I did copy a picture once after that - it was a piece of Lalique that was just too hard for an amateur to photograph. Sorry - I honestly didn't know and was told wrong. :confused: I think it's a good idea to tell people if they do this to you though, before getting them in trouble.

summerrluvv
07-11-2006, 09:41 PM
I found the completed auction of the person that "copied" your listing and the listing is so generic telling what each piece is that everyone could have the same listing LOL. Yes the fonts, colors are the same, but it's not like you described the dimensions of each stamp in extraordinary detail. You just wrote what the stamp was. Now the picture thing...that was a little dumb because her set wasn't complete and the pic shows it's complete, although she did make a notation that one stamp wasn't included.

I honestly expected to see a very detailed time consuming listing, but seriously, I would get over it. Also, if I were you, I would stop interfering with her auctions because YOU will get in trouble for that, like another person said.

JustInLouisville
07-11-2006, 10:24 PM
People can be so lazy. If they are going to plagerize you would think they would change it up - but I can't tell you how many times I had my entire ad copied...down to my aboutme page link to my username!

I report all auctions - no excuses - no getting over it.

For the particually bad plagerizers I send them a $50 invoice for exclusive rights to reproduce my ad - no one seems to ever pay though! :teeth:

disneychrista
07-12-2006, 01:27 AM
I am on the side of not a big deal, in fact you could even take it as flattery. I'll admit I have used someone else's "ideas" for a listing, terms etc. But I have always put it in my own format, words. I have also a time or two "borrowed" a picture, I did state the item may differ slightly from photo.

One thing I can say though, is that could be decieving from a BUYERS point of view. If the listings look identical, they could think that they are buying from the same seller.

GotFids
07-12-2006, 02:16 AM
There is html code that keeps viewers from right clicking and thereby not able to copy anything on that page. That stops quite a few people...but there are ways around it, but I won't give that away. If you need the code, let me know.

julie

ICF
07-12-2006, 06:29 AM
I've used other auctions for ideas of how to list the item but have never taken their listing word for word. The auctions I use for ideas, are usually closed auctions and not live ones.

I have had people use my pictures. If it is a common item that there were lots of I didn't consider it that big of an issue. If it were a 'rare' item that only had a couple of similar items for sale, and the person "stole" my picture I reported it. The thing with Ebay closing auctions is that it takes them a day or 2 (or so it appeared the couple of times I have used them) to close the auction....so if you find out with less then 24 hours to go, most likely it won't get closed by ebay in time to make a difference.

belle&beast
07-12-2006, 08:33 AM
Mine was plagiarized down to the picture taken in my living room. There are only 4 items in the search and two are identical- one right below each other. The only reason I knew about it is the numerous emails I received from buyers who were willing to buy BOTH my items. I only have one listed and mine is first, so they assumed both were mine. The thing is, there are pictures on the company's website that would be more appropriate than my unprofessional one. His item is new, mine is not, so it is out of the package. I reported yesterday and have heard nothing and his listing is still there.

Kayla's Mom
07-12-2006, 09:21 AM
Mine was plagiarized down to the picture taken in my living room.

That is exactly what happened to me---I thought "Hey! That's my carpet!" ;)

wendyl
07-12-2006, 03:36 PM
It's so strange how on this board folks get verbally abused for suggesting bringing a past year's refillable mug to a disney resort to reuse, but people think it's perfectly fine for someone to come along and completely steal your personal pictures, auction style, wording etc..., and use them without asking to compete against you. Especially when Ebay is so clear about it being a gross violation of policy. :confused3

That would be like a co-worker stealing an entire presentation from you right down to the pictures and turning it is as her own--and your boss ending up choosing that one instead of yours. If someone on the boards posted that situation---there'd be tons of :grouphug: and sympathy responses. I doubt there would be any responses like "what's the big deal".

summerrluvv
07-12-2006, 03:45 PM
It's so strange how on this board folks get verbally abused for suggesting bringing a past year's refillable mug to a disney resort to reuse, but people think it's perfectly fine for someone to come along and completely steal your personal pictures, auction style, wording etc..., and use them without asking to compete against you. Especially when Ebay is so clear about it being a gross violation of policy. :confused3

That would be like a co-worker stealing an entire presentation from you right down to the pictures and turning it is as her own--and your boss ending up choosing that one instead of yours. If someone on the boards posted that situation---there'd be tons of :grouphug: and sympathy responses. I doubt there would be any responses like "what's the big deal".

It looks to me like the seller's auction is doing better than the person's that "stole" her barebones description so your scenario doesn't really hold.

And FTR, I could care less what people do with their mugs pirate:

babiesX2
07-12-2006, 03:53 PM
OK, I went and looked for the auctions but I can't find them. I searched girl scout stamps and I don't see any auctions for $60. There was one for $57. What am I missing? I want to see for myself just what all the fuss is about. :)

arminnie
07-12-2006, 03:55 PM
I guess I don't see what the big deal is. It's just words describing an item. I really doubt that person is going to get more bids than you for having the same listing, so really what's the harm? It's not like you wrote a novel and someone copied it ;)

I disagree. Mine would not be worth copying, but my sister has a great wit and her listings are actually fun to read and really catchy. She's having financial problems right now (not getting paid her commissions on her real job because the wholesaler is not paying their bills) so I've been giving her stuff to sell for extra money.

She's getting money, and I'm getting rid of stuff. She would insist on paying me back if I tried to give her money directly, but this way she is earning it.

cxcelica
07-12-2006, 03:57 PM
It's so strange how on this board folks get verbally abused for suggesting bringing a past year's refillable mug to a disney resort to reuse, but people think it's perfectly fine for someone to come along and completely steal your personal pictures, auction style, wording etc..., and use them without asking to compete against you. Especially when Ebay is so clear about it being a gross violation of policy. :confused3

That would be like a co-worker stealing an entire presentation from you right down to the pictures and turning it is as her own--and your boss ending up choosing that one instead of yours. If someone on the boards posted that situation---there'd be tons of :grouphug: and sympathy responses. I doubt there would be any responses like "what's the big deal".

Apples to Oranges...The comparison is off-base

summerrluvv
07-12-2006, 04:06 PM
OK, I went and looked for the auctions but I can't find them. I searched girl scout stamps and I don't see any auctions for $60. There was one for $57. What am I missing? I want to see for myself just what all the fuss is about. :)

OP's Auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/STAMPIN-UP-RETIRED-GIRL-SCOUT-POWER-NEW-STAMPING_W0QQitemZ150007656040QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4 1263QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The auction she reported was completed and for $60 and I was able to view it yesterday, however, it's not coming up today. It looked basically the same except some of the words were changed and her set was not new, but used.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stampin-Up-Retired-Girl-Power_W0QQitemZ110006842740QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3124 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

wendyl
07-12-2006, 04:15 PM
Apples to Oranges...The comparison is off-base

gotta disagree. An auction listing is a 100% a presentation--descriptive words have to be chosen, the item has to be set up just right to be pictured, the pictures then have to be taken and right one has to be decided upon (sometimes I have to take 5 or more picture to get just the right one), those pictures have to be uploaded to the system, and the auction, shipping, and paying terms have to be decided upon and then put in to words and typed up. It is as much a presentation as one at work would be (and for many of us, Ebay is at least a part-time job, if not a full-time job). It shouldn't matter how long it took someone to do, or whether you think the presentation is 'special' or not, or what the results of this 'stolen auction' were--if someone steals it---it's wrong, it's a biggie, and it should be reported and stopped.

babiesX2
07-12-2006, 04:38 PM
Ok, I think I saw the other auction last night. I was thinking postal stamps! :lmao: Like for mailing letters! :lmao: Ding-ding! Ding-ding!

Now that I've seen the OP's auction being discussed, could someone show me what I'm missing? I just saw a very generic listing. I didn't see anything special with the shipping. I was expecting to see that the stamps would be personally delivered by OP while walking on her hands and balancing the box of stamps on her feet! :rotfl: I saw USPS Priority mail. I could be accused of copying competitiors items, too because I pretty much only use USPS. My home is also smoke free. I didn't see anything that was especially time consuming or special. But eBay must have seen something since the listing is no longer available.

This reminds me of a lady that sells pre-made scrapbook pages. All of her auctions begin with this long tirade (in huge font) about how other eBayers have "copied her pages to the best of their abilities." Her pages are cute, but she uses materials that are available nationwide at every Hobby Lobby and Michael's. By her thinking, anyone who scrapbooks is copying her. :crazy:

Franne
07-12-2006, 06:34 PM
It looks to me like the seller's auction is doing better than the person's that "stole" her barebones description so your scenario doesn't really hold.

And FTR, I could care less what people do with their mugs pirate:


First off, I had said that I didn't take too much time to write the listing. It doesn't matter if it's "bear bones" or not, it WAS copied. That's what the big deal is. Did I lose anything by her copying it, YES. The person who won hers is high bidder on mine, maybe the auction would go higher if the other person didn't have a buy it now (that I had to begin with!) I am not complaining at all about the price it's at, in fact I'm estatic. More money for Disney!
But, it's against ebay's rules to copy from another seller. Both of the auctions were taken off ebay, I got an email today from ebay stating this along with the ruling on copying auctions.
I don't know why there is so much negativity about this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is it's not right and EBay agrees with me. It's all about following the rules. I listed the stamps easily, the other 2 sellers could have done the same thing. They took the easy way out. Next time I will definately put some text on the picture so it won't be copied. Thanks everyone and I am excited to see how this auction ends! :banana:
Franne

Franne
07-12-2006, 06:36 PM
It's so strange how on this board folks get verbally abused for suggesting bringing a past year's refillable mug to a disney resort to reuse, but people think it's perfectly fine for someone to come along and completely steal your personal pictures, auction style, wording etc..., and use them without asking to compete against you. Especially when Ebay is so clear about it being a gross violation of policy. :confused3


I totally agree! Stealing is stealing!

nightowlky
07-12-2006, 06:42 PM
I'll keep an eye on my domain stats and if I see someone hotlinking to an image of mine (well, images I don't want hotlinked ;) ) I'll change the image to something awful or just something that says "I'm a Bandwidth Stealer"

:teeth:

DMRick
07-13-2006, 12:43 PM
The thing is, there are pictures on the company's website that would be more appropriate than my unprofessional one.
The problem with that, is that the company is more apt to go after the person stealing their picture..which is also copyright infringement and just as wrong as taking from the seller.

nuke
07-13-2006, 01:54 PM
If you can't take the time to write your own description and take a picture you shouldn't be selling on ebay.

That being said this thread reminds me that I have a stack of rubber stamps that I need to list!

belle&beast
07-13-2006, 05:06 PM
The problem with that, is that the company is more apt to go after the person stealing their picture..which is also copyright infringement and just as wrong as taking from the seller.
I never thought about that- I see LOTS of pictures from catalogs or websites. By the way nothing has been done to the person who copied my listing. It is really frustrating!