Pirates just went splat

[*Robin*]

I just checked Pirates on rottentomatoes...It's gone from fresh to rotten in one day...


sigh...

[croach]

What is rottentomatoes?

[Disneynut1955]

Reviews are one thing, box office is another. Around the country, every midnight showing was sold out (most theatres added shows). Every theatre in Phoenix was sold-out and most had 7-9 theatres going (at each location) for the midnight showing. I have to agree with some of the critics, it was not my favorite movie and was lacking in several areas. That being said, people seem to ignore the reviews as it is already breaking every box-office record on the first day of release.

[slug]

The only review that matters to me is my own. I have no idea why anyone would listen to someone else to determine whether or not they would like a movie.

[Tink's Tormentor]

Especially a website called rottentomatoes... I say ROTTEN TOMATOES TO ROTTENTOMATOES.COM!!!!!!

[Squirlz]

Wow...Disney will be crushed to hear this. All they'll have is their box-office to give them a reason to live.

[DancingBear]

Of course there's no reason to read reviews if you've already decided to see the movie. But a lot of folks are in the position of trying to make that decision, and reviews can be very helpful.

Rottentomatoes.com is a great site in that it posts dozens of reviews of each movie, and comes up with a percentage of positive reviews. They also have a separate rating for "Cream of the Crop" reviewers, generally the bigger name critics and publications. (BTW, Pirates is doing worse in Cream of the Crop than in the overall average, while that is reversed as to Cars). So you can diversify away the risks associates with the idiosyncracies of your hometown paper's reviewer. Whether you agree or disagree with any or all of the reviews, it's certainly a valuable service.

As for the box office, the bad reviews make it seem much more likely that Pirates will have a big dropoff after what's bound to be a huge opening weekend.

[zenshome]

My DW and I tend to make it a point to go to movies that get panned by actual critic as we usually wind up enjoying then tremendously. We will be among the many that have seen Pirates by the end of the day. :cool1:

[DLcastmbr]

The movie was awsome! Id tell that to any person on ROTTENtomatoes.com. WE all were clapping and enjoying it. It was action packed with laughes and drama. The twists and turns left me on the edge of my seat the whole movie and the end......well go see the movie yourself and youll see. I cant wait for the next premeiere

[*Robin*]

Nobody wants Pirates to succeed more than anyone in my family! It just seems to take the sail out of a movie when the reviews are this bad...

There are many people that wait for the reviews to decide whether they will shell out the cash or wait for the video.

Thanks DancingBear for explaining things....

I'm afraid this will take the legs right out from under it...

[Jackie H.]

I'm sorry for a stupid question, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.....

How long is the movie? Trying to see when I can fit in a viewing!

[perdidobay]

151 minutes... butt numbing long......I'm still going...bad reviews or not.

[barbeml]

My DW and I tend to make it a point to go to movies that get panned by actual critic as we usually wind up enjoying then tremendously.

Ain't that the truth!

[CarnotaurDad]

Sometimes movie reviewers, unfortunately, have an agenda. Specifically, they hate hype. Since this movie received so much hype, I think many (not all) looked to go out of their way to not like the movie.

JMHO, but I have seen it happen before with movies. Heck with the reviewers, just go and enjoy!

[cxcelica]

I personally find critics mostly useless. There are many critically acclaimed TV shows and movies that are just torture to sit through.

The issue is that most critics are not in the same mindset that the reader is. Take for example Roger Ebert. Here is a midly overweight older man with children, and grandchildren, from a completely different generation. What does he have in common with a 24 year old. Sure Roger Ebert might not like it, but I am not Roger Ebert and we don't share the same interests, so why should I listen to him!!!

[DancingBear]

My DW and I tend to make it a point to go to movies that get panned by actual critic as we usually wind up enjoying then tremendously.How was that Garfield: Tale of Two Kitties?

[YoHo]

I like how everyone is ignoring the fact that the movie may actually suck (besides those who have actually seen it.)


I know personally would not be surprised to find a movie that wasn't as good as the first.


Of course, I'm gonna see it tomorrow.

[Luv2Roam]

Well afterall, they do call them Movie Critics. ;)
Yeah -- I will be seeing the movie -- with my rose color glasses on. Although I probably won't need them. ;) :wizard: :cheer2:

[donac]

I just came back from 2:45 movie and it was packed. It was also very good and got a round of applause at the end. Even though it was long the movie flew by. Lots of great action, not as much comedy (I didn't think so) but lots of fun at times. The graphics and stunts are unbelievable. A great way to spend theafternoon. I can't wait until my dh and ds come back from NM camping so I can go see it again.

PS The gfroup I was with can't wait till #3 comes out.

[Disney MAINEiac]

we saw the noon matinee. the whole family DW, DS(12) DS(9) everyone loved it. Didn't think it ws to long either. If you enjoyed the 1st film you'll enjoy this one. Some people (critics) just can't stand to see a sequel succeed. Depp rocks! :cool1: don't be a sheep, decide for yourself.

[pouncingpluto]

I liked it! No, it wasn't quite as good as first, but I don't think it was a ton worse... the biggest difference is that it doesn't take people by surprise how good it is. Lack of hype versus hype makes all the difference in the world. I went to a 3:50 showing (before most people are home from work), and it was sold out.

[*Robin*]

some good news:
Pirates set to break records... (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=995382006)

I don't think there is a soul on the dis that won't go see it... (now I'm sure I'll hear from 20 that won't) ...It's the people that aren't die hard fans that I hope will ignore the critics and go see it anyway...

[mitros]

OK, slightly :offtopic:, but I have to ask. Why would anyone want to go to {any} movie the first day, or, the first week, for that matter? Would that be a person that also likes to go to WDW in the middle of the high :crowded: season? Personally, we wait till the second or third week to go see a movie. No lady with big hair sitting in front of you, no hoards of screaming teeny boppers, no swearing teenagers, etc., etc. You can sit anywhere you want, you can stretch your legs out in the aisle, no line at the concession stand, I could actually go on and on, but I think I made my point. But, that's just me. :wave2:

[MJMcBride]

As for the box office, the bad reviews make it seem much more likely that Pirates will have a big dropoff after what's bound to be a huge opening weekend.

I agree it can break all the one day records it wants but bad word of mouth kills movies quickly. A large percentage of bad reviews usually equals bad word of mouth. Granted sometimes it doesn't matter like in Phantom Menace but that is the exception to the rule.

[MJMcBride]

some good news:
Pirates set to break records... (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=995382006)

I don't think there is a soul on the dis that won't go see it... (now I'm sure I'll hear from 20 that won't) ...It's the people that aren't die hard fans that I hope will ignore the critics and go see it anyway...

If it does hit $90 to $100 million its first weekend, then it won't matter how bad word of mouth is it will be a hit. Even if it gets $160 to $170 which is a lock with a $100 million first weekend, it should be one of the top movies of the year.

[BethA]

We were going to go today, but everything for every show was sold out.

I would never be a good movie critic because i usually enjoy the movies they hate.

[YoHo]

OK, slightly :offtopic:, but I have to ask. Why would anyone want to go to {any} movie the first day, or, the first week, for that matter? Would that be a person that also likes to go to WDW in the middle of the high :crowded: season? Personally, we wait till the second or third week to go see a movie. No lady with big hair sitting in front of you, no hoards of screaming teeny boppers, no swearing teenagers, etc., etc. You can sit anywhere you want, you can stretch your legs out in the aisle, no line at the concession stand, I could actually go on and on, but I think I made my point. But, that's just me. :wave2:


90% of movies suck. Generally the only movies I see are movies I've really been wanting to see/can't wait to see.

If I'm willing to wait 2-3 weeks, then I'm willing to wait 6 months for the DVD.
If I want to see it in the THeater, then it's important to me and I want to be part of the specticle of it all

[CarnotaurDad]

We just got back from a 7 PM showing and it was packed. Personally, I liked it better than the first. It reminds me of the difference between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back (personally). This one was quite a bit darker with some moral ambiguity around most.

Good thing we know that Elizabeth and William can't be brother and sister!

[*Robin*]

90% of movies suck. Generally the only movies I see are movies I've really been wanting to see/can't wait to see.

If I'm willing to wait 2-3 weeks, then I'm willing to wait 6 months for the DVD.
If I want to see it in the THeater, then it's important to me and I want to be part of the specticle of it all


Exactly!!


pirate:

[Uncleromulus]

Mitros:
I always wait until they come on Pay-per-view---even LESS of a hassle then!!

[Prinny27]

Ok, so how AWESOME was the movie? I absolutely loved it. The theater was packed last night and everyone was clapping and laughing loudly. Especially at the end - everyone was screaming. I was afraid the movie wasn't going to be nearly as good as the first, but I think it was even better! There was so much action and comedy and the 2.5 hours FLEW BY for me.

[Disney MAINEiac]

I can't believe what i just saw :confused3 a movie review by Jeffrey Lyons, he stated the movie was to "confusing" he had trouble following he plot (HELLO!) my kids didn't have any trouble. After he got done ripping the film apart he begrudgingly admits "I suppose it will make a lot of money though". Well duh maybe it's because as an elitist snob your way outta touch with the mainstream american movie going public :rotfl2: Gee thanks mister professional movie critic for trying to save me from myself, sheesh :smooth:

this movie was great go see it and judge for yourself ;)

[bevgray]

Well, being a pirate fan from way back (one of the things I loved about the first Pirates of the Caribbean was the flavor of the old 1940s swashbuckler films), I was really looking forward to seeing this one. I also figured it would not capture the sheer glee of the first one...just as EMPIRE STRIKES BACK could not begin to carry through with same charm as the first STAR WARS film. In fact, as we waited for the film to start, I said to my fellah, "I wonder. Just how do you top skeletal pirates?" Well, in my opinion, the haunted, tormented Davey Jones does just that.

The storyline, director, and cast did not even attempt to re-capture the same delight of the first film. They simply took the film on a slightly darker turn and, in my opinion, raised it a few notches. While I adored the first film for its fun and zest, I absolutely was floored by the second to the point that I was gasping. The characters are developing instead of remaining in the same place. The closest thing I can equate this to is Harry Potter where the characters go through the same process of growing. If you are going to do a sequel, I think having the characters change instead of remaining static or frozen is the only way to go. Elizabeth, for example, is not simply the governor's pretty daughter as she was in the first film. She is a woman who went through a terrifying experience and who is discovering that she too has strengths and weaknesses. That this is beginning to cause her some distress rings true throughout this new film.

Yet, unlike STAR WARS where the darkening of plot and character twists took a huge amount of the fun out of the film, DEAD MAN'S CHEST manages to still keep that sly, wicked sense of humor. It is masterful in its interplay of fun (sometimes to the point of silly fun) to the abrubt switch to a darker tone. For Pirate fans, I don't think you'll be disappointed. I liked it as well, if not better, than the first film simply because of the depth of the story. For those who just like a darn good film and appreciate the craftsmanship of cinematography, you will enjoy it immensely.

As to the reviewers who are panning...in my hometown paper, the reviewer also said it was "confusing". I looked back over other films he has reviewed. Those that are "grown up" movies (the ones that I usually won't see because they are mostly trumped up soap operas or smug literary in tone) always get raves from him. Movies that I consider "just good yarns", he always pans. It could be that DEAD MAN'S CHEST is like the difference between Disney World or Las Vegas. Grown ups go to Las Vegas. Those of us who are still children go to Disney World.

[faeflora]

OK, slightly :offtopic:, but I have to ask. Why would anyone want to go to {any} movie the first day, or, the first week, for that matter? Would that be a person that also likes to go to WDW in the middle of the high :crowded: season? Personally, we wait till the second or third week to go see a movie. No lady with big hair sitting in front of you, no hoards of screaming teeny boppers, no swearing teenagers, etc., etc. You can sit anywhere you want, you can stretch your legs out in the aisle, no line at the concession stand, I could actually go on and on, but I think I made my point. But, that's just me. :wave2:

I love the excitement of opening week, just to see the reaction of the audience. I have to say I normally only see opening week films for my big favs like Pirates, Harry Potter, Pixar.
Now that I work at the Disney Store, I did opening week for Cars and Pirates because I need to be able to discuss the movie with our guests (it makes for a great excuse) :thumbsup2

[*Robin*]

It took the all time top spot for opening day...

Yes! pirate: pirate:

I'm a movie junkie...forgive me for the updates...lol


Box office mojo (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/days/?page=open&p=.htm)

popcorn::

[kaybird]

We loved it also, a treat to be included in our grown children's late movie nite.
We watched the first one on the 4th to "get ready"

I enjoy a movie like this at opening because spoilers haven't gotten around, and the excitement of the crowd is contageous.

We loved the subtle jokes re both the ride and the first movie. Kind of like a special secret with the cast. (and hundreds and thousands of other people we don't know) Like Back to the future, it made no bones or apologies concerning the 3rd movie coming. We all know it, and hopefully are looking forward to it! (Memorial Day 2007!!)

Can't wait til August trip to see the changes in the ride!!

"It's the Bible! You get credit for trying!"

[mitros]

90% of movies suck. Generally the only movies I see are movies I've really been wanting to see/can't wait to see.

If I'm willing to wait 2-3 weeks, then I'm willing to wait 6 months for the DVD.
If I want to see it in the THeater, then it's important to me and I want to be part of the specticle of it all

I agree with much of what you say,YoHo, but somehow watching a DVD, even on a 60" screen with a surround sound stereo system, is just not the same {to me} as sitting in an almost empty theatre with a 40' screen and actual theatre style surround sound, and eating double cholestoral [spl?]popcorn and a 66 ounce coke. Kind of like going on ElRio DelTiempo at 11AM the second week of January. Very relaxing. Mmm, I wonder if I can take a bucket of popcorn and a giant coke on the boat?

[ChrisFL]

sheesh, if I had a 60" HDTV with Surround Sound, I'd probably never step into a movie theater again.

Even when I've been at a theater with a few people, there ALWAYS seem to be some distractions that ruin it for me (babies crying, people translating the movie to the person next to them, people yelling at the screen) :rolleyes:

[Luv2Roam]

I have a tendency to stay away from movie theatres too, for many of the same reasons mentioned in the above post.
Not many little kids in this show, and everyone was riveted. (Did not hear ONE cell phone!) As long as it was, very few got up for a break, as what we see in many movies of even shorter length.
Very good movie. :goodvibes In some ways I liked the first better. In some ways I like this one better. They are both very entertaining and thought out. :thumbsup2 Worth plunking down the money to see, unlike most of Hollywood flicks. :sunny:
The ending was great I thought. It makes viewers look VERY forward to the 3rd installment! popcorn::

[Experiment #626]

The movie was OK, definately a bridge movie for the third. THough it did not live up to the high expectations I had for it, it was definately worth the money

One big question I have as I walked out was why the monkey was still undead if the Aztec Curse was lifted in POTC1.

[DancingBear]

As to the reviewers who are panning...in my hometown paper, the reviewer also said it was "confusing". I looked back over other films he has reviewed. Those that are "grown up" movies (the ones that I usually won't see because they are mostly trumped up soap operas or smug literary in tone) always get raves from him. Movies that I consider "just good yarns", he always pans. It could be that DEAD MAN'S CHEST is like the difference between Disney World or Las Vegas. Grown ups go to Las Vegas. Those of us who are still children go to Disney World.But the first film got a 79% Tomatomometer reading on rottentomatoes.com.

[pouncingpluto]

The movie was OK, definately a bridge movie for the third. THough it did not live up to the high expectations I had for it, it was definately worth the money

One big question I have as I walked out was why the monkey was still undead if the Aztec Curse was lifted in POTC1.

I thought the monkey stole a piece of gold at the end of POTC1.

[YoHo]

You'd have to watch through the end credits to know about the monkey in the first one.

mitros. I understand your problems now.

First of, 60" is a namby pamby wuss size. Mine goes up to 90" :teeth:

Secondly, Costco has a really nice Dolby Digital EX 7.1 surround sound amp and speaker package for about $450. Get that, and you'll never think movie theater sound systems are good again, or if you've got the cash, get a THX certed system. Then literally, it can't be better.

Heck, my Amp goes to 11.

[Disney MAINEiac]

Just read on boxoffice mojo that they are estimating Dead Man's Chest to break the opening weekend (3-day) ticket sales record with $132+ million. Spiderman 2 held this spot with $114+ million. Not to shabby :teeth:

[DisInsider]

I cant wait for the next premeiere
Goode...Mabe yul lern hou two spel bi than. :banana:

[DVCconvert]

Yup!!! -- it sure went "splat" alright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[ScroogesNephew]

. . . critic to a host of others . . .
Be sure and see it. It is excellent! And if you DON'T like it . . . well, there's no accounting for (lack of) taste.

[mitros]

You'd have to watch through the end credits to know about the monkey in the first one.

mitros. I understand your problems now.

First of, 60" is a namby pamby wuss size. Mine goes up to 90" :teeth:

Secondly, Costco has a really nice Dolby Digital EX 7.1 surround sound amp and speaker package for about $450. Get that, and you'll never think movie theater sound systems are good again, or if you've got the cash, get a THX certed system. Then literally, it can't be better.

Heck, my Amp goes to 11.


Hey, until I can squeeze a 40' screen into my house, I think I'm going to continue to go to the theatre. Sticky floors and all........

[YoHo]

So few theaters actually have 40' screens. Certainly though, I can't disagree with that logic.


I liked the film by the way.

[mitros]

That's true. We do have two theatres in our area though, and each one has at least one really huge screen, and when a movie comes out that we want to see, one of these large screens will usually show the movie we want to see.

[lisajl]

I can't believe what i just saw :confused3 a movie review by Jeffrey Lyons, he stated the movie was to "confusing" he had trouble following he plot (HELLO!) my kids didn't have any trouble. After he got done ripping the film apart he begrudgingly admits "I suppose it will make a lot of money though". Well duh maybe it's because as an elitist snob your way outta touch with the mainstream american movie going public :rotfl2: Gee thanks mister professional movie critic for trying to save me from myself, sheesh :smooth:

this movie was great go see it and judge for yourself ;)


I saw that too! I thought, You have to be kidding me!! Listen my mom has alzheimers and I know she would not follow it, maybe Jeffrey Lyons needs some medication to help him!
Geesh!

[gobledygook]

OK, slightly :offtopic:, but I have to ask. Why would anyone want to go to {any} movie the first day, or, the first week, for that matter? Would that be a person that also likes to go to WDW in the middle of the high :crowded: season? Personally, we wait till the second or third week to go see a movie. No lady with big hair sitting in front of you, no hoards of screaming teeny boppers, no swearing teenagers, etc., etc. You can sit anywhere you want, you can stretch your legs out in the aisle, no line at the concession stand, I could actually go on and on, but I think I made my point. But, that's just me. :wave2:

We like to make events out of going to the first showing of a big movie, POTC, Harry Potter, Star Wars, LOTR, etc. At the midnight shows, it's always fun to see how many people really get into it, by dressing up. There were tons of pirates (and some really good costumes) at the 12:01 showing we saw! We'll go again when the crowds have died down, it was an awesome movie! pirate:

[YoHo]

You people are nuts, I loved the movie, but Lyons is right, the plot is terribly convoluted. The plot in the first one had holes you could drive a Mack truck through. These movies are about character and only about character and the stories that those characterizations tell.

[MJMcBride]

You people are nuts

It took you almost 7 years to figure that out?

[m_kasch]

I loved the movie!! Kiera Knightly is such a lucky girl :love:

Honestly, I read the reviews, but I don't really let that affect if I want to see a movie or not. I read somewhere that the movie was not "believable"...was it supposed to be?? :confused3 The first one had a bunch of guys who were undead and turned into skeletons in the moonlight...now that is believable!! It was long, but not too long, and it was funny!! I can't wait until the third one, it will be interesting to see what happens with Jack/Elizabeth/Will.

[DisOrBust]

Hey watch the spellin comments!! That could be me your talkn about....since I'm a "hunt and peck" kinda girl!!!


Not all of use were taught to type!!!

[BensMom]

I can't believe what i just saw :confused3 a movie review by Jeffrey Lyons, he stated the movie was to "confusing" he had trouble following he plot (HELLO!) my kids didn't have any trouble. After he got done ripping the film apart he begrudgingly admits "I suppose it will make a lot of money though". Well duh maybe it's because as an elitist snob your way outta touch with the mainstream american movie going public :rotfl2: Gee thanks mister professional movie critic for trying to save me from myself, sheesh :smooth:

this movie was great go see it and judge for yourself ;)

Oh, you think that review is a piece of work, go to the Boston Globe and read what that idiot had to say!

[dpic]

I guess I'm one of those with no taste because I was very disappointed in the movie. What I loved about the first one were the laughs, and there are very few of those in the sequel. Next, I was disappointed in how they handled some of the characters. One goes from an honorable person to a vomitous mess with no real explanation. I did like the Davy Jones characters--they were awesome.

What carries this movie is the incredible positive feelings of the first movie. Honestly, if this were the first movie had been made in more of a "darker" theme instead of a humorous one there never would have been a sequel.

[cxcelica]

I feel the same way as you that this was definitely a much darker movie, but I think in a sense that it had to be that way. In order to develop a story line that will last for at least two movies you would have to do some in depth story-telling and plot and character development, I think they wanted to delve into the darker side and try to make the characters a little more complex so that the story could last.

As far as the commodore, I felt that his character change was explained well enough and was somewhat believable.

[mom2missmous]

I guess I'm one of those with no taste because I was very disappointed in the movie. What I loved about the first one were the laughs, and there are very few of those in the sequel. Next, I was disappointed in how they handled some of the characters. One goes from an honorable person to a vomitous mess with no real explanation. I did like the Davy Jones characters--they were awesome.

What carries this movie is the incredible positive feelings of the first movie. Honestly, if this were the first movie had been made in more of a "darker" theme instead of a humorous one there never would have been a sequel.

We too were a little disappointed in the movie.We liked parts of it but-well- without spoiling it for those of you who haven't seen it, we didn't care for how they left Jack's character in the end. Kinda a let-down for us even though we know the story continues into POC 3.

[PamNC]

on Tuesday in the middle of the afternoon, in order to avoid big crowds. For a work day it was quite crowded.

I liked the movie, not as much as the first one though. It was kind of all over the place and convoluted. But, I thought the stunts and special effects, oh..and the Davy Jones and crew costumes were great. I even enjoyed the musical score. And, Johnny Depp of course.

So - on a scale of 1-5, 5 being the best. I would give it a 3.

And, I never pay attention to critics. We too often love the movies that critics hate.

PamNC

[Ron from Michigan]

We saw it on its first weekend and it was great. I can't wait for the third one. This has been a great summer for Disney films. First Cars and now Pirates. :)

[Tigger113]

Hi all!

I just wanted to inform you of the Pirates Exchange.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1166296

[stagemomx3]

I've taken my kids twice now to see POTC 2. I have to say that after the second viewing the plot made more sense. I don't know if the first time I was to keyed into what my kids were thinking or how crowded it was, but I missed a major plot key the first time. I missed the whole where the compass was pointing. :confused3 DH of course thinks I'm an idiot for not picking up on that the first time. :blush: