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DawnM
06-15-2006, 11:11 AM
I keep seeing used APs on ebay. Don't people know that if it gets lost, stolen, or the strip demagnetizes or it gets damaged that they will be asked for their ID to replace it? Then it will be totally worthless.

I dont' get it.

Dawn

J&D
06-15-2006, 11:20 AM
Don't APs require a finger scan?

DawnM
06-15-2006, 11:26 AM
YES! That too!

Don't APs require a finger scan?

ktglads
06-15-2006, 11:28 AM
The only place I could see these working would be for free parking since you just show the pass and they let you through. For any other discounts, they ask for a picture id as well. I don't even want to start on the admission problems they could have

ADisneygirl
06-15-2006, 02:36 PM
I couldn't believe this thread when I read it! What a scam that is to sell a used AP! I had to go see for myself on e-bay, and yes, there it was. It has 9 bids on it already, and is over $100. I e-mailed the seller and asked how he could sell a used AP ~ what about the fact that someone already used it and had to do the finger scan to get in? Let's see if he responds.

If someone is buying it for the parking pass feature, you'd have to go to the parks a lot (more than 10 times) to make up the price of this AP against the price to park.

BonnieA
06-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Just a thought (and certainly nothing I would do myself) but since Disney is going to new one finger scanner then the old scan of two fingers will be invalid. Everyone will start with a brand new scan on the one fingered one. That means someones AP may work for someone else but of course if the machine doesn't work then you may have to show ID and then you are screwed.

Chickysmom
06-15-2006, 07:20 PM
I couldn't believe this thread when I read it! What a scam that is to sell a used AP! I had to go see for myself on e-bay, and yes, there it was. It has 9 bids on it already, and is over $100. I e-mailed the seller and asked how he could sell a used AP ~ what about the fact that someone already used it and had to do the finger scan to get in? Let's see if he responds.

If someone is buying it for the parking pass feature, you'd have to go to the parks a lot (more than 10 times) to make up the price of this AP against the price to park.


Let us know if you hear anything from the seller and what they say....it's quite curious I say!

babiesX2
06-15-2006, 07:31 PM
I think some people have more money than brains! :lmao:

Judge Milian on People's Court always has such cute quotes. The other day she said: The cheap is very expensive.

Disneyrsh
06-15-2006, 07:35 PM
I keep seeing used APs on ebay. Don't people know that if it gets lost, stolen, or the strip demagnetizes or it gets damaged that they will be asked for their ID to replace it? Then it will be totally worthless.

I dont' get it.

Dawn

Simple. Because they're S*T*U*P*I*D*.

Cheshire Figment
06-15-2006, 07:48 PM
If I am at a gate an a person's AP does not work I will automatically ask for a photo ID before I will take action to have the ticket reissued. If they do not match I will take the ticket and turn it over to either a supervisor os someone from security.

In addition, if a passholder reports they cannot find their pass, the procedure of issuing a new pass will automatically void out any proir pass for that person. If someone tries to use the old pass at a turnstile we will get a message (on the greeter side) showing the pass has been voided.

bsmcneil
06-15-2006, 09:13 PM
Simple. Because they're S*T*U*P*I*D*.
Maybe it's ignorance and not stupidity. I keep seeing lots of threads (about FP, etc) where people keep calling the uninformed stupid. Do you really feel better about yourself after that? I mean...maybe someone sees it and thinks, "well, since it's being sold on ebay, I'm sure it's okay if I use it since I'll be paying for it." Sure, they SHOULD do more research if possible - but stupid? That's pretty harsh.

MickeyP
06-15-2006, 10:04 PM
If I am at a gate an a person's AP does not work I will automatically ask for a photo ID before I will take action to have the ticket reissued. If they do not match I will take the ticket and turn it over to either a supervisor os someone from security.

In addition, if a passholder reports they cannot find their pass, the procedure of issuing a new pass will automatically void out any proir pass for that person. If someone tries to use the old pass at a turnstile we will get a message (on the greeter side) showing the pass has been voided.



Always wondered about someone else going in first though.

MyZoeJane
06-16-2006, 12:11 AM
I once wondered WHY a person was bidding so much (over retail) on such a ridiculous thing (but I can't remember what it was!) but I do remember contacting the BIDDER to ask them... Whatever it was, they ended up replying and thanking me for letting them know they could buy it elsewhere for less!

Perhaps one of you could contact some of the bidders to ask what we are missing? :teeth:

DMRick
06-16-2006, 12:29 AM
Perhaps one of you could contact some of the bidders to ask what we are missing? :teeth:
And take a chance of being suspended for auction interference? I'll pass.

travelitis
06-16-2006, 02:12 AM
I posted a free auction on eBay to get that kind of info out once, and I got many e-mails of appreciation. It cost me less than a buck to inform the consumer, and I sure felt better.

Our finger scans don't always work on our passes, but I think that since we're a family of 5 going through at once, maybe that's why we've never been asked for photo ID. I've offered to show it a couple of times, but the CM's just let us through. Maybe if it were just my husband or me it would be more suspicious.

DawnM
06-16-2006, 05:26 AM
We have had issues with our APs before too. Either the magnetic strip was not working or it got bend up and another got lost (different years). We had to show ID to get it replaced. We would have been screwed if we had been using someone else's card.

Dawn

ADisneygirl
06-16-2006, 08:41 AM
No response from the seller and now I don't see the actual item anymore for bidding. Either the auction ended or it was pulled.

CarolA
06-16-2006, 08:57 AM
Why?

Because a fool and his money are soon parted!

Disneyrsh
06-16-2006, 10:11 AM
Maybe it's ignorance and not stupidity. I keep seeing lots of threads (about FP, etc) where people keep calling the uninformed stupid. Do you really feel better about yourself after that? I mean...maybe someone sees it and thinks, "well, since it's being sold on ebay, I'm sure it's okay if I use it since I'll be paying for it." Sure, they SHOULD do more research if possible - but stupid? That's pretty harsh.

"Ignorance: A willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one's actions."

From that definition, stupidity's starting to sound nicer!

It has nothing to do with how I feel. It breaks my heart to see people let greed stand in the way of good sense.

One aspect of the stupidity is paying over retail, which I see all the time on ebay.

Caveat Emptor-if you're going to buy something THAT expensive, then yes, it's STUPID not to educate yourself about the ticket beforehand!

Let me add that I've been on ebay for 6 years now, with a 100% positive feedback, and I am STUNNED that people buy things without asking questions first!

Ebay is not out there to protect you, you HAVE to do the homework first before placing a bid! They are out to make money, and that's it.

You, as the buyer or seller, must take all possible steps to protect yourself.

Look at all the threads on the disboards about all the problems even the experienced ebayers, like myself, often encounter on Ebay.

nicknamy1996
06-16-2006, 11:46 AM
If someone is buying it for the parking pass feature, you'd have to go to the parks a lot (more than 10 times) to make up the price of this AP against the price to park.


And if you are going much more than that you might as well just buy the AP.

MyZoeJane
06-16-2006, 12:19 PM
And take a chance of being suspended for auction interference? I'll pass.

Ugh. Such an overly litigious society we live in. eta: I guess it didn't cross my mind to see the negative side of my attempt to do something thoughtful!

It's not like I was defaming the seller, I simply asked the bidder if she knew how much the auction sold for retail. (I remember now that it was a child carrier.)

I suppose things might be different when you're dealing with "other" kinds of people... but we mothers who bid on children's items on Ebay actually appreciate it when fellow mothers "look out" for us.

I'm so glad that the bidder I contacted was kind enough not to call the Ebay police on me! :rolleyes:

heathrow42
06-16-2006, 12:37 PM
..The 2 auctions I found on ebay were for a child's ticket - and while not ethical.. it would probably work, because the seller is right, they don't scan kids fingers - for AP's or for MYW. The pass also expires 6/26/06 -- just a few days from now .. though the auction ended 6/11/06.

--heather

DawnM
06-16-2006, 01:02 PM
It looks like the original one mentioned was yanked. It doesn't show up as a live auction or a completed auction. I am thinking ebay yanked it.

Dawn

..The 2 auctions I found on ebay were for a child's ticket - and while not ethical.. it would probably work, because the seller is right, they don't scan kids fingers - for AP's or for MYW. The pass also expires 6/26/06 -- just a few days from now .. though the auction ended 6/11/06.

--heather

DMRick
06-16-2006, 01:05 PM
Why do you have to bring your insults over to yet another thread? Can you ever just be nice? Didn't your mother teach you with all the other things she taught you, if you can't say something nice....well you know how the rest goes. It's a fact..it's called auction interference. Some people may not have realized that you can be suspended if you email a bidder on an auction, and suggest to them that they might want to look elsewhere. I believe most on the DIS boards have appreciated my eBay advice..and I wouldn't want someone counting on the money to be suspended because of bad advice.

Ugh. Such an overly litigious society we live in. I should have known that YOU would come up with some way to turn a kind gesture into something NEGATIVE! :rotfl2:

It's not like I was defaming the seller, I simply asked the bidder if she knew how much the auction sold for retail. (I remember now that it was a child carrier.)

I suppose things might be different when you're dealing with "other" kinds of people... but we mothers who bid on children's items on Ebay actually appreciate it when fellow mothers "look out" for us.

I'm so glad that the bidder I contacted was kind enough not to call the Ebay police on me! :rolleyes:

disneysteve
06-16-2006, 02:16 PM
Ugh. Such an overly litigious society we live in. I should have known that YOU would come up with some way to turn a kind gesture into something NEGATIVE! :rotfl2:

It's not like I was defaming the seller, I simply asked the bidder if she knew how much the auction sold for retail. (I remember now that it was a child carrier.)
It is perfectly fine to e-mail a seller to ask them a question or confront them about an inappropriate item.

It is NOT OKAY to e-mail a bidder during an auction and warn them about the item or tell them that it is overpriced. That is considered auction interference (and rightfully so) and can get you suspended from ebay.

It sounds like a nice thing to do, but it is far too easy to abuse that process. What you should do if you feel a seller is doing something inappropriate is to contact ebay with the information.

DMRick
06-16-2006, 02:41 PM
It is perfectly fine to e-mail a seller to ask them a question or confront them about an inappropriate item.

It is NOT OKAY to e-mail a bidder during an auction and warn them about the item or tell them that it is overpriced. That is considered auction interference (and rightfully so) and can get you suspended from ebay.

It sounds like a nice thing to do, but it is far too easy to abuse that process. What you should do if you feel a seller is doing something inappropriate is to contact ebay with the information.

It's a shame isn't it Steve, what some people get away with on eBay..but we agree to go by eBay's rules when we join up. I know a lot of people sell from the Dis to earn extra money and otherwise, and it's important to follow the ebay rules.

DMRick
06-16-2006, 02:51 PM
OOps..wrong thread..sorry.

Kramer
06-16-2006, 02:52 PM
I'm so glad that the bidder I contacted was kind enough not to call the Ebay police on me! :rolleyes:


I think most people understand the intent behind your email and that you were trying to be helpful.

I know I would have appreciated it :)

DMRick
06-16-2006, 03:08 PM
I know I would have appreciated it :)

But would the seller? If the bidder cancelled the bid and told the seller why, that's where it gets sticky. I doubt it's the bidder doing the reporting..you're right, they prob appreciated it.

However, it's important for those who count on eBay to realize that auction interference is a real way to get suspended. I assume many don't know that, and it would be a shame. It's nothing negative..it's just an eBay rule that some may not have known about.

Kramer
06-16-2006, 03:51 PM
Have a magical day, DMrick :teeth:

disneymom3
06-16-2006, 04:10 PM
Ugh. Such an overly litigious society we live in. I should have known that YOU would come up with some way to turn a kind gesture into something NEGATIVE! :rotfl2:

It's not like I was defaming the seller, I simply asked the bidder if she knew how much the auction sold for retail. (I remember now that it was a child carrier.)

I suppose things might be different when you're dealing with "other" kinds of people... but we mothers who bid on children's items on Ebay actually appreciate it when fellow mothers "look out" for us.

I'm so glad that the bidder I contacted was kind enough not to call the Ebay police on me! :rolleyes:


Ummm, maybe you have some history with DMRick that I am not aware of, but I have to tell you I had her exact same thought. That IS auction interference and according to ebays terms of use, you can be suspended for it. It is not a matter of being negative or being nice, it is a matter of what the rules say.

babiesX2
06-16-2006, 06:10 PM
Regarding paying more than retail on eBay: I see people do this all the time. An item will be bid up higher than retail plus shipping still has to be added. :confused3 It is something I don't get. One thing Dh and I have noticed this with is infant formula. Some of the formula auctions will be bid up to near double the retail price per can. Many times I suspect shill bidding is at work, but I can't prove it.

DMRick
06-16-2006, 06:47 PM
Ummm, maybe you have some history with DMRick that I am not aware of, . Yes, she didn't like my opinion on another thread..so it got confused with this one :confused3

DMRick
06-16-2006, 06:49 PM
Regarding paying more than retail on eBay: I see people do this all the time. An item will be bid up higher than retail plus shipping still has to be added.
I don't get it either. I know sometimes the item can't be bought in a different country, but with the internet, almost anything can be bought on line.

I'd love to know why people buy "used" AP's. I agree the child one would be useable..but the other's? How much did the one's sold end up going for? Cheap enough it's worth it for the parking?

disneysteve
06-16-2006, 08:18 PM
Regarding paying more than retail on eBay: I see people do this all the time. An item will be bid up higher than retail plus shipping still has to be added. Many times I suspect shill bidding is at work, but I can't prove it.
Shill bidding is irrelevant. Even if there is shill bidding, it can't raise the final bid to more than the winner was willing to pay. So the winner still had to place the bid that eventually won.

At all auctions, live and online, egos often take over and people want to win just for the sake of winning, even if it means overpaying for the item. Makes no sense but happens all the time.

MyZoeJane
06-16-2006, 08:45 PM
Yes, she didn't like my opinion on another thread..so it got confused with this one :confused3

It didn't come off the way I intended... I was being a smarta$$... I completely see how it didn't come off that way.

My bad. It's been fixed.